| jbicha | I don't see the point; for 3.10 the old ones don't exist any more so we're not keeping them around | 00:28 |
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| jbicha | although maybe they should be added to the gnome-wallpapers package upstream | 00:28 |
| darkxst | jbicha, ok just replace them then | 01:00 |
| roasted | backport the wallpaper? I guess that means 3.10 won't land by default? | 01:04 |
| jbicha | no, and we can't land gnome-themes-standard 3.10 without at least GTK 3.10 | 01:24 |
| jbicha | the games could be updated to 3.10 but since they need to be updated individually now, it will take someone a while to do it (and there will be a second beta, a RC, and a final build) | 01:33 |
| jbicha | many of the smaller utilities also require GTK 3.10 too so not much more can be updated for saucy directly | 01:33 |
| roasted | I assume a PPA will exist though? | 01:53 |
| darkxst | roasted, yes | 02:12 |
| darkxst | currently the core parts of 3.10 are on gnome3-staging | 02:12 |
| darkxst | they will be moved to a new gnome3-next ppa when they are ready | 02:12 |
| roasted | nice | 02:14 |
| jbicha | ricotz: do you know if wayland will be updated to 1.2 in saucy? because cogl needs it, right? | 12:58 |
| superdump | how does the ubuntu gnome project manage gnome updates? | 15:52 |
| superdump | it seems like ubuntugnome 13.10 will use gnome 3.8 | 15:52 |
| superdump | but around that time, gnome 3.10 will be released | 15:52 |
| superdump | well, 3.10.0 is scheduled for september 25th currently | 15:54 |
| superdump | does ubuntu gnome then update the packages using the next gnome release and put them on a ppa? or how do you manage it? | 15:54 |
| smartboyhw | superdump, the problem is September 25th is WAY past FeatureFreeze | 15:55 |
| superdump | sure, i understand | 15:55 |
| smartboyhw | That's why Ubuntu GNOME can't include it | 15:55 |
| smartboyhw | It will probably be in 14.04 | 15:55 |
| smartboyhw | And might appear in a PPA too | 15:55 |
| bjsnider | there's always a ppa | 15:55 |
| superdump | i see that there is always a ppa, i'm just wondering how long it will take to get 3.10 in some usable form | 15:57 |
| superdump | and in saying that, i'm not making any demands | 15:58 |
| superdump | just wondering how ubuntu gnome manage it :) | 15:58 |
| bjsnider | it's been explained | 15:59 |
| superdump | there's an upper bound of 14.04 but it hasn't been suggested how long it may normally take you guys to package up a new release after it's been made - is it closer to 13.10 or closer to 14.04? | 16:01 |
| superdump | for example | 16:01 |
| bjsnider | right away in the ppa | 16:03 |
| superdump | excellent | 16:03 |
| bjsnider | stable enough for a release would be 6 more months | 16:03 |
| superdump | thanks | 16:05 |
| jbicha | robert_ancell: hey, for bug 1212408 you added an extra line to the bottom of https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-session/ubuntu/view/head:/debian/patches/50_ubuntu_sessions.patch | 21:01 |
| ubot5 | bug 1212408 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "lightdm needs to set $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1212408 | 21:01 |
| jbicha | but maybe you could use https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-session/ubuntu/view/head:/debian/patches/52_xdg_current_desktop.patch instead? | 21:01 |
| jbicha | do we need X-LightDM-DesktopName= and DesktopName= ? | 21:02 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, oh, I didn't notice that patch | 21:02 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, is that patch obsolete now? I guess we need it for GDM | 21:03 |
| robert_ancell | I'd prefer to use the 50 patch, since otherwise both patches will try and modify the same file | 21:03 |
| jbicha | it's two different files, ubuntu.desktop and ubuntu.session.desktop | 21:05 |
| robert_ancell | yes | 21:05 |
| robert_ancell | if I put the change in 52_xdg_current_desktop.patch then both 50_ubuntu_sessions.patch and that would modify ubuntu.desktop | 21:06 |
| robert_ancell | Note that LightDM can't read ubuntu.session.desktop | 21:06 |
| jbicha | I don't know enough about what's going on to prefer any particular way | 21:08 |
| jbicha | but as you know we have lots of patches that tweak app behavior based on XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP so it at least needs to work under lightdm and gdm | 21:09 |
| jbicha | I didn't realize 'gnome' wasn't using upstart user sessions yet | 21:10 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, right, as I understand it since gnome-session is not the first process in the session or will not be it has to be set before gnome-session starts | 21:10 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, I'm also unsure what that email was referring to exactly, just wanted to make sure you don't hit that bug without knowing about it | 21:10 |
| jbicha | yeah I'm not sure what the risk is either but it looks simple enough to revert if it did cause problems, and we'll probably hit other bugs if Ubuntu GNOME *doesn't* use upstart use sessions | 21:19 |
| bjsnider | is it possible to use 100% systemd 0% upstart? or will it be in 3.10 i should clarify | 21:32 |
| jbicha | bjsnider: not with Ubuntu, you'll need to use Debian if you want systemd as init | 21:35 |
| bjsnider | it's outright impossible? | 22:05 |
| darkxst | bjsnider, why do you want to run 100% systemd? | 22:08 |
| bjsnider | i'd like to have 100% gnome is the main issue | 22:17 |
| bjsnider | especially with wayland and whatnot | 22:17 |
| darkxst | the init system has very little impact on gnome | 22:20 |
| darkxst | logind is the important bit, and we have that | 22:21 |
| bjsnider | even in 3.10 | 22:22 |
| darkxst | bjsnider, yes even with 3.10 | 22:34 |
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| darkxst | Guest27918, http://pastebin.com/5yBvEEHx | 22:56 |
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| nm_ | hi | 23:45 |
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