| mojo706 | I am back now let us wait | 14:39 |
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| mojo706 | still no one? | 16:15 |
| grantbow | still | 19:54 |
| mojo706 | haha grantbow today you aren't alone | 19:55 |
| grantbow | I hope someone from ihub cares enough to log in regularly | 19:56 |
| mojo706 | why? | 19:56 |
| grantbow | to help connect people there online | 19:56 |
| mojo706 | if people cared they would find the channel as I did | 19:57 |
| grantbow | I can't be there physically but I enjoyed talking to the people I met there | 19:57 |
| grantbow | and when they do they find it empty like you do | 19:57 |
| grantbow | and like I do | 19:57 |
| grantbow | most of the time | 19:57 |
| grantbow | momentum is needed | 19:58 |
| mojo706 | sadly but I will be a regular as off next week | 19:58 |
| grantbow | great | 19:58 |
| mojo706 | I'm not sure of anyone else | 19:58 |
| mojo706 | but I have many channels to watch plus notifications I've set for this channel | 19:59 |
| grantbow | I'm located near San Francisco, California now but I invited people to Ubuntu Hours at iHub in Oct and Nov 2011 | 19:59 |
| grantbow | I was trying to jump start a LoCo team in Kenya | 19:59 |
| mojo706 | we have one currently but only on the mailing list | 20:00 |
| mojo706 | like people are afraid to meet | 20:00 |
| grantbow | why do you think they are afraid? | 20:00 |
| mojo706 | the self serving nature of humans | 20:01 |
| mojo706 | thinking of themselves first | 20:01 |
| grantbow | the opposite of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28philosophy%29 | 20:18 |
| mojo706 | It inculcated in us (Kenyans) to serve one self. I have to check myself from time to time hehe | 20:27 |
| grantbow | What about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communal_work#Harambee ? | 20:54 |
| mojo706 | the same its even quoted when speaking of Ubuntu | 21:00 |
| grantbow | Perhaps harambee is a good term to use that will be readily understandable when building a LoCo. | 21:39 |
| grantbow | I'd like to help local efforts as best I can | 21:39 |
| mojo706 | what are you currently doing we have an event we're planning. Free Software Day | 21:40 |
| grantbow | nice, I helped setup the email list but haven't been reading it much. Looks like a lot of interest. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-ke/2013-August/thread.html | 21:42 |
| grantbow | Nobody replied to my Jan 2013 request for an update. | 21:51 |
| grantbow | on the email list | 21:51 |
| grantbow | Can you please update? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KenyanTeam | 21:52 |
| grantbow | I did a quick update | 21:58 |
| mojo706 | good | 22:06 |
| grantbow | did you know about the Developers' Summit starting soon? | 22:07 |
| mojo706 | UDS? | 22:07 |
| grantbow | yes http://summit.ubuntu.com | 22:07 |
| grantbow | the virtual ones started this year are quite different from the older ones | 22:08 |
| mojo706 | virtual? | 22:08 |
| grantbow | There used to be a location. Now everyone participates from home. | 22:08 |
| grantbow | It just changed this year | 22:08 |
| grantbow | The May 2013 event was canceled. They are run every 3 months now instead of every 6 months. | 22:09 |
| mojo706 | I didn't know that | 22:10 |
| grantbow | There are many opportunities to work with Ubuntu if you have online access. | 22:11 |
| grantbow | When I was staying in Karen in Nairobi I had troubles with power and our internet sometimes. | 22:11 |
| grantbow | Maybe I should email the list with this info. | 22:12 |
| mojo706 | I'm tethering right now. | 22:12 |
| mojo706 | yeah email the list | 22:12 |
| grantbow | I found the announcement, I'm writing my note to go along with it. | 22:15 |
| mojo706 | ok but you have to hurry it starts today (its 0115 hrs in Nairobi) | 22:15 |
| grantbow | hehe, yeah | 22:16 |
| grantbow | sent | 22:21 |
| mojo706 | good. | 22:23 |
| grantbow | please join our email list as well to keep updated. I am one of three leaders here in California. https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca | 22:24 |
| grantbow | The official list for all LoCo team leaders is https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts and all that are interested (leader or not) are welcome to join. | 22:25 |
| grantbow | Please join #ubuntu-us-ca as well if you like | 22:26 |
| mojo706 | ok I also joined off-topic cause I know most guys go there | 22:28 |
| grantbow | there are lots more lists and channels for sure | 22:29 |
| grantbow | do you have a particular interest I might be able to point you toward? | 22:30 |
| grantbow | #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic was more active when there were more problems with the team | 22:31 |
| mojo706 | programming. All my heavy development including Ubuntu Touch is done on my dev machine (running 12.04.2) | 22:31 |
| mojo706 | till 14.04 | 22:31 |
| grantbow | I just started working again to get by Debian Developer status back. I love Virtualbox. | 22:32 |
| grantbow | which I run on 12.04 as well | 22:32 |
| mojo706 | I was on 13.04 but downgraded | 22:33 |
| grantbow | interesting, why? | 22:33 |
| mojo706 | I think I will stick with 12.04 for now. Issues with my Dell. | 22:33 |
| mojo706 | and its actually a 2012 Laptop | 22:33 |
| mojo706 | kept crashing | 22:33 |
| grantbow | I switched to lxde recently too. I have issues with the unity privacy stuff. | 22:34 |
| grantbow | which started in 12.10 | 22:34 |
| mojo706 | but with 12.04 surprisingly it works flawlessly | 22:34 |
| grantbow | excellent | 22:34 |
| mojo706 | I still have 13.04 on a desktop | 22:34 |
| mojo706 | with redis | 22:34 |
| mojo706 | how long were you in Kenya? | 22:35 |
| grantbow | three months | 22:35 |
| mojo706 | what do you think of it? | 22:36 |
| grantbow | I was working on a project and teaching a group of graduates from nairobits.com | 22:36 |
| grantbow | I enjoyed it | 22:37 |
| mojo706 | when was this? | 22:37 |
| grantbow | Sept, Oct and Nov 2011. | 22:38 |
| grantbow | I held several Ubuntu Hours at iHub downtown. | 22:38 |
| grantbow | ihub.co.ke of course | 22:39 |
| mojo706 | sadly things have changed :(. The iHub's gotten bigger so scheduling events is tougher | 22:39 |
| mojo706 | I tried to restart the LoCo | 22:40 |
| mojo706 | few interested guys | 22:40 |
| mojo706 | but I think it will catch up | 22:40 |
| mojo706 | not giving up anytime soon | 22:40 |
| grantbow | too many .Net events, not enough open languages | 22:40 |
| grantbow | those logos at the bottom of the page are perhaps why | 22:41 |
| grantbow | Microsoft being a Partner and all pushes out stuff like LoCos | 22:41 |
| mojo706 | yeah | 22:44 |
| mojo706 | Microsoft have their own conditions sadly | 22:44 |
| mojo706 | what do you recommend I do? | 22:44 |
| grantbow | about meetings or about showing that open source tech is better than proprietary tech with it's marketing budgets? | 22:45 |
| grantbow | for the LoCo - IRC and email can keep people involved no matter where they are | 22:46 |
| grantbow | I'm sitting in California :-) | 22:46 |
| mojo706 | thats a bit of a problem because of connectivity charges | 22:46 |
| mojo706 | most of the guys on the list don't have an active connection | 22:47 |
| mojo706 | thats probably the only reason why the LoCo is dormant | 22:47 |
| grantbow | yeah, I remember my frustration in Kenya even with an expensive Internet connection to work on | 22:48 |
| grantbow | email is low bandwidth | 22:48 |
| grantbow | so is IRC and there are web based clients now. | 22:48 |
| grantbow | Like this can be put on any web page. http://ubuntu-california.org/chat/ | 22:49 |
| grantbow | but the charges | 22:49 |
| grantbow | I was thinking about an SMS to IRC gateway project | 22:49 |
| grantbow | that might help | 22:49 |
| mojo706 | that would be great. | 22:52 |
| grantbow | promoting the use of email (list) to sms might help too | 22:54 |
| mojo706 | Google charges for that after a certain number of smses | 22:55 |
| grantbow | without team communication it's hard to grow | 22:55 |
| grantbow | some of the telecom providers have special email addresses | 22:55 |
| grantbow | with standard sms rates | 22:55 |
| mojo706 | I'll have to check that | 22:56 |
| grantbow | I had trouble enabling this on safaricom when I was there | 22:56 |
| mojo706 | are the email addresses available to everyone? | 22:56 |
| grantbow | that's right, kipokezi | 22:56 |
| grantbow | http://www.safaricom.co.ke/personal/internet/kipokezi-safaricom-mail | 22:56 |
| grantbow | they should be available but it depends on the carrier | 22:57 |
| grantbow | smart carriers enable this for their customers for free to get the sms charges | 22:58 |
| grantbow | other carriers might be better than safaricom for this | 22:58 |
| grantbow | who do you use? | 22:58 |
| mojo706 | Safaricom | 22:59 |
| grantbow | http://62.8.88.9/safaricom/xhtml/serviceguide.php?a=2 | 22:59 |
| grantbow | smstoemail might be better than the strange kipokezi setup | 23:00 |
| grantbow | I am reading the google results for "safaricom email to sms" | 23:00 |
| grantbow | I still have my safaricom sim card | 23:00 |
| grantbow | hopefully nobody's hacked it, lol | 23:01 |
| grantbow | We planned to use sms features for the website I was working on. | 23:02 |
| grantbow | what IRC client do you use? | 23:03 |
| grantbow | some irc channels are logged too | 23:03 |
| grantbow | so you can catch up | 23:03 |
| grantbow | likek this one | 23:04 |
| grantbow | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/08/26/%23ubuntu-ke.html | 23:04 |
| mojo706 | I use XChat | 23:04 |
| grantbow | a google for "sms irc gateway" turned up a plugin for weechat that will give sms from irc. | 23:05 |
| grantbow | with all our modern technology text is still hard to get from one place to another, isn't it? | 23:06 |
| grantbow | <sigh> | 23:06 |
| mojo706 | yeah | 23:07 |
| grantbow | there is an IRC client for android that I use sometimes | 23:07 |
| mojo706 | I'm not on Android | 23:07 |
| grantbow | data rates still apply unless you can find wifi somewhere | 23:08 |
| grantbow | you say you are tethering? | 23:09 |
| mojo706 | yes | 23:09 |
| grantbow | that's usually expensive | 23:10 |
| mojo706 | sadly I have no choice for now. | 23:11 |
| grantbow | You had trouble scheduling time at iHub? I was a green member. | 23:12 |
| grantbow | wifi and Internet there is usually quite good | 23:13 |
| mojo706 | yes I was a green member for sometime in 2011 then I left | 23:14 |
| mojo706 | Internet isn't the problem. I'm on a strict budget for now thats why I'm tethering | 23:15 |
| mojo706 | I usually have wifi | 23:15 |
| mojo706 | at home | 23:15 |
| grantbow | Do you know of any companies that do Ubuntu in Nairobi? | 23:16 |
| grantbow | there's so much money wasted on proprietary solutions | 23:16 |
| mojo706 | no. I've converted a few internet cafe's but I don't know of any company | 23:18 |
| mojo706 | MS has a stronghold on East Africa and you could get in trouble if you try to reduce their market share :( and the host of middlemen | 23:19 |
| grantbow | indeed | 23:20 |
| grantbow | so let me ask this | 23:21 |
| grantbow | who's most active in the LoCo right now? | 23:21 |
| mojo706 | Billy and I. We are also the ones try to organize Software Freedom Day | 23:23 |
| mojo706 | *trying | 23:23 |
| grantbow | it's not easy at first | 23:24 |
| grantbow | I was a Debian Devel then was working at SuSE in Oakland, California from 1999-2001. | 23:24 |
| grantbow | I had other things going on for a few years then got back to technology in 2008 when I started organizing events and Linux User Groups in the San Francisco area. | 23:25 |
| grantbow | in 2011 I tried to help Kenya get started | 23:25 |
| grantbow | The emails should be in the archive. | 23:25 |
| mojo706 | The Only thing Kenyans need is a mind shift | 23:26 |
| mojo706 | to see the benefits of FOSS most of them are on Pirated software | 23:27 |
| mojo706 | even I was | 23:27 |
| grantbow | market dynamics in California and the US are different from Kenya, of course, but many issues are shared | 23:27 |
| mojo706 | but in California people are afraid of being caught | 23:28 |
| grantbow | it goes right back to the home brew computer club 1976... | 23:28 |
| grantbow | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Letter_to_Hobbyists | 23:28 |
| grantbow | there have been cases of Federal US Marshalls doing audits of small US companies over pirated software | 23:30 |
| mojo706 | in Kenya MS does that | 23:32 |
| mojo706 | but the budget may be overwhelming | 23:32 |
| grantbow | have you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjaC8Pq9-V0 | 23:32 |
| grantbow | video sucks up tethered bits | 23:34 |
| mojo706 | I've put it on my watch later stream | 23:35 |
| mojo706 | :) | 23:35 |
| mojo706 | is it free to download? | 23:35 |
| grantbow | it's on youtube | 23:37 |
| mojo706 | ok | 23:38 |
| grantbow | It would be a good thing to download for a meeting - I showed it to my students while I was there. | 23:40 |
| mojo706 | iHub is definitely the place to go for meetings because mostly its free | 23:43 |
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