[14:39] <mojo706> I am back now let us wait
[16:15] <mojo706> still no one?
[19:54] <grantbow> still
[19:55] <mojo706> haha grantbow today you aren't alone
[19:56] <grantbow> I hope someone from ihub cares enough to log in regularly
[19:56] <mojo706> why?
[19:56] <grantbow> to help connect people there online
[19:57] <mojo706> if people cared they would find the channel as I did
[19:57] <grantbow> I can't be there physically but I enjoyed talking to the people I met there
[19:57] <grantbow> and when they do they find it empty like you do
[19:57] <grantbow> and like I do
[19:57] <grantbow> most of the time
[19:58] <grantbow> momentum is needed
[19:58] <mojo706> sadly but I will be a regular as off next week
[19:58] <grantbow> great
[19:58] <mojo706> I'm not sure of anyone else
[19:59] <mojo706> but I have many channels to watch plus notifications I've set for this channel
[19:59] <grantbow> I'm located near San Francisco, California now but I invited people to Ubuntu Hours at iHub in Oct and Nov 2011
[19:59] <grantbow> I was trying to jump start a LoCo team in Kenya
[20:00] <mojo706> we have one currently but only on the mailing list
[20:00] <mojo706> like people are afraid to meet
[20:00] <grantbow> why do you think they are afraid?
[20:01] <mojo706> the self serving nature of humans
[20:01] <mojo706> thinking of themselves first
[20:18] <grantbow> the opposite of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28philosophy%29
[20:27] <mojo706> It inculcated in us (Kenyans) to serve one self. I have to check myself from time to time hehe
[20:54] <grantbow> What about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communal_work#Harambee ?
[21:00] <mojo706> the same its even quoted when speaking of Ubuntu
[21:39] <grantbow> Perhaps harambee is a good term to use that will be readily understandable when building a LoCo.
[21:39] <grantbow> I'd like to help local efforts as best I can
[21:40] <mojo706> what are you currently doing we have an event we're planning. Free Software Day
[21:42] <grantbow> nice, I helped setup the email list but haven't been reading it much. Looks like a lot of interest. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-ke/2013-August/thread.html
[21:51] <grantbow> Nobody replied to my Jan 2013 request for an update.
[21:51] <grantbow> on the email list
[21:52] <grantbow> Can you please update? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KenyanTeam
[21:58] <grantbow> I did a quick update
[22:06] <mojo706> good
[22:07] <grantbow> did you know about the Developers' Summit starting soon?
[22:07] <mojo706> UDS?
[22:07] <grantbow> yes http://summit.ubuntu.com
[22:08] <grantbow> the virtual ones started this year are quite different from the older ones
[22:08] <mojo706> virtual?
[22:08] <grantbow> There used to be a location. Now everyone participates from home.
[22:08] <grantbow> It just changed this year
[22:09] <grantbow> The May 2013 event was canceled. They are run every 3 months now instead of every 6 months.
[22:10] <mojo706> I didn't know that
[22:11] <grantbow> There are many opportunities to work with Ubuntu if you have online access.
[22:11] <grantbow> When I was staying in Karen in Nairobi I had troubles with power and our internet sometimes.
[22:12] <grantbow> Maybe I should email the list with this info.
[22:12] <mojo706> I'm tethering right now.
[22:12] <mojo706> yeah email the list
[22:15] <grantbow> I found the announcement, I'm writing my note to go along with it.
[22:15] <mojo706> ok but you have to hurry it starts today (its 0115 hrs in Nairobi)
[22:16] <grantbow> hehe, yeah
[22:21] <grantbow> sent
[22:23] <mojo706> good.
[22:24] <grantbow> please join our email list as well to keep updated. I am one of three leaders here in California. https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
[22:25] <grantbow> The official list for all LoCo team leaders is https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts and all that are interested (leader or not) are welcome to join.
[22:26] <grantbow> Please join #ubuntu-us-ca as well if you like
[22:28] <mojo706> ok I also joined off-topic cause I know most guys go there
[22:29] <grantbow> there are lots more lists and channels for sure
[22:30] <grantbow> do you have a particular interest I might be able to point you toward?
[22:31] <grantbow> #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic was more active when there were more problems with the team
[22:31] <mojo706> programming. All my heavy development including Ubuntu Touch is done on my dev machine (running 12.04.2)
[22:31] <mojo706> till 14.04
[22:32] <grantbow> I just started working again to get by Debian Developer status back. I love Virtualbox.
[22:32] <grantbow> which I run on 12.04 as well
[22:33] <mojo706> I was on 13.04 but downgraded
[22:33] <grantbow> interesting, why?
[22:33] <mojo706> I think I will stick with 12.04 for now. Issues with my Dell.
[22:33] <mojo706> and its actually a 2012 Laptop
[22:33] <mojo706> kept crashing
[22:34] <grantbow> I switched to lxde recently too. I have issues with the unity privacy stuff.
[22:34] <grantbow> which started in 12.10
[22:34] <mojo706> but with 12.04 surprisingly it works flawlessly
[22:34] <grantbow> excellent
[22:34] <mojo706> I still have 13.04 on a desktop
[22:34] <mojo706> with redis
[22:35] <mojo706> how long were you in Kenya?
[22:35] <grantbow> three months
[22:36] <mojo706> what do you think of it?
[22:36] <grantbow> I was working on a project and teaching a group of graduates from nairobits.com
[22:37] <grantbow> I enjoyed it
[22:37] <mojo706> when was this?
[22:38] <grantbow> Sept, Oct and Nov 2011.
[22:38] <grantbow> I held several Ubuntu Hours at iHub downtown.
[22:39] <grantbow> ihub.co.ke of course
[22:39] <mojo706> sadly things have changed :(. The iHub's gotten bigger so scheduling events is tougher
[22:40] <mojo706> I tried to restart the LoCo
[22:40] <mojo706> few interested guys
[22:40] <mojo706> but I think it will catch up
[22:40] <mojo706> not giving up anytime soon
[22:40] <grantbow> too many .Net events, not enough open languages
[22:41] <grantbow> those logos at the bottom of the page are perhaps why
[22:41] <grantbow> Microsoft being a Partner and all pushes out stuff like LoCos
[22:44] <mojo706> yeah
[22:44] <mojo706> Microsoft have their own conditions sadly
[22:44] <mojo706> what do you recommend I do?
[22:45] <grantbow> about meetings or about showing that open source tech is better than proprietary tech with it's marketing budgets?
[22:46] <grantbow> for the LoCo - IRC and email can keep people involved no matter where they are
[22:46] <grantbow> I'm sitting in California :-)
[22:46] <mojo706> thats a bit of a problem because of connectivity charges
[22:47] <mojo706> most of the guys on the list don't have an active connection
[22:47] <mojo706> thats probably the only reason why the LoCo is dormant
[22:48] <grantbow> yeah, I remember my frustration in Kenya even with an expensive Internet connection to work on
[22:48] <grantbow> email is low bandwidth
[22:48] <grantbow> so is IRC and there are web based clients now.
[22:49] <grantbow> Like this can be put on any web page. http://ubuntu-california.org/chat/
[22:49] <grantbow> but the charges
[22:49] <grantbow> I was thinking about an SMS to IRC gateway project
[22:49] <grantbow> that might help
[22:52] <mojo706> that would be great.
[22:54] <grantbow> promoting the use of email (list) to sms might help too
[22:55] <mojo706> Google charges for that after a certain number of smses
[22:55] <grantbow> without team communication it's hard to grow
[22:55] <grantbow> some of the telecom providers have special email addresses
[22:55] <grantbow> with standard sms rates
[22:56] <mojo706> I'll have to check that
[22:56] <grantbow> I had trouble enabling this on safaricom when I was there
[22:56] <mojo706> are the email addresses available to everyone?
[22:56] <grantbow> that's right, kipokezi
[22:56] <grantbow> http://www.safaricom.co.ke/personal/internet/kipokezi-safaricom-mail
[22:57] <grantbow> they should be available but it depends on the carrier
[22:58] <grantbow> smart carriers enable this for their customers for free to get the sms charges
[22:58] <grantbow> other carriers might be better than safaricom for this
[22:58] <grantbow> who do you use?
[22:59] <mojo706> Safaricom
[22:59] <grantbow> http://62.8.88.9/safaricom/xhtml/serviceguide.php?a=2
[23:00] <grantbow> smstoemail might be better than the strange kipokezi setup
[23:00] <grantbow> I am reading the google results for "safaricom email to sms"
[23:00] <grantbow> I still have my safaricom sim card
[23:01] <grantbow> hopefully nobody's hacked it, lol
[23:02] <grantbow> We planned to use sms features for the website I was working on.
[23:03] <grantbow> what IRC client do you use?
[23:03] <grantbow> some irc channels are logged too
[23:03] <grantbow> so you can catch up
[23:04] <grantbow> likek this one
[23:04] <grantbow> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/08/26/%23ubuntu-ke.html
[23:04] <mojo706> I use XChat
[23:05] <grantbow> a google for "sms irc gateway" turned up a plugin for weechat that will give sms from irc.
[23:06] <grantbow> with all our modern technology text is still hard to get from one place to another, isn't it?
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[23:07] <mojo706> yeah
[23:07] <grantbow> there is an IRC client for android that I use sometimes
[23:07] <mojo706> I'm not on Android
[23:08] <grantbow> data rates still apply unless you can find wifi somewhere
[23:09] <grantbow> you say you are tethering?
[23:09] <mojo706> yes
[23:10] <grantbow> that's usually expensive
[23:11] <mojo706> sadly I have no choice for now.
[23:12] <grantbow> You had trouble scheduling time at iHub? I was a green member.
[23:13] <grantbow> wifi and Internet there is usually quite good
[23:14] <mojo706> yes I was a green member for sometime in 2011 then I left
[23:15] <mojo706> Internet isn't the problem. I'm on a strict budget for now thats why I'm tethering
[23:15] <mojo706> I usually have wifi
[23:15] <mojo706> at home
[23:16] <grantbow> Do you know of any companies that do Ubuntu in Nairobi?
[23:16] <grantbow> there's so much money wasted on proprietary solutions
[23:18] <mojo706> no. I've converted a few internet cafe's but I don't know of any company
[23:19] <mojo706> MS has a stronghold on East Africa and you could get in trouble if you try to reduce their market share :( and the host of middlemen
[23:20] <grantbow> indeed
[23:21] <grantbow> so let me ask this
[23:21] <grantbow> who's most active in the LoCo right now?
[23:23] <mojo706> Billy and I. We are also the ones try to organize Software Freedom Day
[23:23] <mojo706> *trying
[23:24] <grantbow> it's not easy at first
[23:24] <grantbow> I was a Debian Devel then was working at SuSE in Oakland, California from 1999-2001.
[23:25] <grantbow> I had other things going on for a few years then got back to technology in 2008 when I started organizing events and Linux User Groups in the San Francisco area.
[23:25] <grantbow> in 2011 I tried to help Kenya get started
[23:25] <grantbow> The emails should be in the archive.
[23:26] <mojo706> The Only thing Kenyans need is a mind shift
[23:27] <mojo706> to see the benefits of FOSS most of them are on Pirated software
[23:27] <mojo706> even I was
[23:27] <grantbow> market dynamics in California and the US are different from Kenya, of course, but many issues are shared
[23:28] <mojo706> but in California people are afraid of being caught
[23:28] <grantbow> it goes right back to the home brew computer club 1976...
[23:28] <grantbow> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Letter_to_Hobbyists
[23:30] <grantbow> there have been cases of Federal US Marshalls doing audits of small US companies over pirated software
[23:32] <mojo706> in Kenya MS does that
[23:32] <mojo706> but the budget may be overwhelming
[23:32] <grantbow> have you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjaC8Pq9-V0
[23:34] <grantbow> video sucks up tethered bits
[23:35] <mojo706> I've put it on my watch later stream
[23:35] <mojo706> :)
[23:35] <mojo706> is it free to download?
[23:37] <grantbow> it's on youtube
[23:38] <mojo706> ok
[23:40] <grantbow> It would be a good thing to download for a meeting - I showed it to my students while I was there.
[23:43] <mojo706> iHub is definitely the place to go for meetings because mostly its free