[14:39] I am back now let us wait [16:15] still no one? [19:54] still [19:55] haha grantbow today you aren't alone [19:56] I hope someone from ihub cares enough to log in regularly [19:56] why? [19:56] to help connect people there online [19:57] if people cared they would find the channel as I did [19:57] I can't be there physically but I enjoyed talking to the people I met there [19:57] and when they do they find it empty like you do [19:57] and like I do [19:57] most of the time [19:58] momentum is needed [19:58] sadly but I will be a regular as off next week [19:58] great [19:58] I'm not sure of anyone else [19:59] but I have many channels to watch plus notifications I've set for this channel [19:59] I'm located near San Francisco, California now but I invited people to Ubuntu Hours at iHub in Oct and Nov 2011 [19:59] I was trying to jump start a LoCo team in Kenya [20:00] we have one currently but only on the mailing list [20:00] like people are afraid to meet [20:00] why do you think they are afraid? [20:01] the self serving nature of humans [20:01] thinking of themselves first [20:18] the opposite of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28philosophy%29 [20:27] It inculcated in us (Kenyans) to serve one self. I have to check myself from time to time hehe [20:54] What about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communal_work#Harambee ? [21:00] the same its even quoted when speaking of Ubuntu [21:39] Perhaps harambee is a good term to use that will be readily understandable when building a LoCo. [21:39] I'd like to help local efforts as best I can [21:40] what are you currently doing we have an event we're planning. Free Software Day [21:42] nice, I helped setup the email list but haven't been reading it much. Looks like a lot of interest. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-ke/2013-August/thread.html [21:51] Nobody replied to my Jan 2013 request for an update. [21:51] on the email list [21:52] Can you please update? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KenyanTeam [21:58] I did a quick update [22:06] good [22:07] did you know about the Developers' Summit starting soon? [22:07] UDS? [22:07] yes http://summit.ubuntu.com [22:08] the virtual ones started this year are quite different from the older ones [22:08] virtual? [22:08] There used to be a location. Now everyone participates from home. [22:08] It just changed this year [22:09] The May 2013 event was canceled. They are run every 3 months now instead of every 6 months. [22:10] I didn't know that [22:11] There are many opportunities to work with Ubuntu if you have online access. [22:11] When I was staying in Karen in Nairobi I had troubles with power and our internet sometimes. [22:12] Maybe I should email the list with this info. [22:12] I'm tethering right now. [22:12] yeah email the list [22:15] I found the announcement, I'm writing my note to go along with it. [22:15] ok but you have to hurry it starts today (its 0115 hrs in Nairobi) [22:16] hehe, yeah [22:21] sent [22:23] good. [22:24] please join our email list as well to keep updated. I am one of three leaders here in California. https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca [22:25] The official list for all LoCo team leaders is https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts and all that are interested (leader or not) are welcome to join. [22:26] Please join #ubuntu-us-ca as well if you like [22:28] ok I also joined off-topic cause I know most guys go there [22:29] there are lots more lists and channels for sure [22:30] do you have a particular interest I might be able to point you toward? [22:31] #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic was more active when there were more problems with the team [22:31] programming. All my heavy development including Ubuntu Touch is done on my dev machine (running 12.04.2) [22:31] till 14.04 [22:32] I just started working again to get by Debian Developer status back. I love Virtualbox. [22:32] which I run on 12.04 as well [22:33] I was on 13.04 but downgraded [22:33] interesting, why? [22:33] I think I will stick with 12.04 for now. Issues with my Dell. [22:33] and its actually a 2012 Laptop [22:33] kept crashing [22:34] I switched to lxde recently too. I have issues with the unity privacy stuff. [22:34] which started in 12.10 [22:34] but with 12.04 surprisingly it works flawlessly [22:34] excellent [22:34] I still have 13.04 on a desktop [22:34] with redis [22:35] how long were you in Kenya? [22:35] three months [22:36] what do you think of it? [22:36] I was working on a project and teaching a group of graduates from nairobits.com [22:37] I enjoyed it [22:37] when was this? [22:38] Sept, Oct and Nov 2011. [22:38] I held several Ubuntu Hours at iHub downtown. [22:39] ihub.co.ke of course [22:39] sadly things have changed :(. The iHub's gotten bigger so scheduling events is tougher [22:40] I tried to restart the LoCo [22:40] few interested guys [22:40] but I think it will catch up [22:40] not giving up anytime soon [22:40] too many .Net events, not enough open languages [22:41] those logos at the bottom of the page are perhaps why [22:41] Microsoft being a Partner and all pushes out stuff like LoCos [22:44] yeah [22:44] Microsoft have their own conditions sadly [22:44] what do you recommend I do? [22:45] about meetings or about showing that open source tech is better than proprietary tech with it's marketing budgets? [22:46] for the LoCo - IRC and email can keep people involved no matter where they are [22:46] I'm sitting in California :-) [22:46] thats a bit of a problem because of connectivity charges [22:47] most of the guys on the list don't have an active connection [22:47] thats probably the only reason why the LoCo is dormant [22:48] yeah, I remember my frustration in Kenya even with an expensive Internet connection to work on [22:48] email is low bandwidth [22:48] so is IRC and there are web based clients now. [22:49] Like this can be put on any web page. http://ubuntu-california.org/chat/ [22:49] but the charges [22:49] I was thinking about an SMS to IRC gateway project [22:49] that might help [22:52] that would be great. [22:54] promoting the use of email (list) to sms might help too [22:55] Google charges for that after a certain number of smses [22:55] without team communication it's hard to grow [22:55] some of the telecom providers have special email addresses [22:55] with standard sms rates [22:56] I'll have to check that [22:56] I had trouble enabling this on safaricom when I was there [22:56] are the email addresses available to everyone? [22:56] that's right, kipokezi [22:56] http://www.safaricom.co.ke/personal/internet/kipokezi-safaricom-mail [22:57] they should be available but it depends on the carrier [22:58] smart carriers enable this for their customers for free to get the sms charges [22:58] other carriers might be better than safaricom for this [22:58] who do you use? [22:59] Safaricom [22:59] http://62.8.88.9/safaricom/xhtml/serviceguide.php?a=2 [23:00] smstoemail might be better than the strange kipokezi setup [23:00] I am reading the google results for "safaricom email to sms" [23:00] I still have my safaricom sim card [23:01] hopefully nobody's hacked it, lol [23:02] We planned to use sms features for the website I was working on. [23:03] what IRC client do you use? [23:03] some irc channels are logged too [23:03] so you can catch up [23:04] likek this one [23:04] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/08/26/%23ubuntu-ke.html [23:04] I use XChat [23:05] a google for "sms irc gateway" turned up a plugin for weechat that will give sms from irc. [23:06] with all our modern technology text is still hard to get from one place to another, isn't it? [23:06] [23:07] yeah [23:07] there is an IRC client for android that I use sometimes [23:07] I'm not on Android [23:08] data rates still apply unless you can find wifi somewhere [23:09] you say you are tethering? [23:09] yes [23:10] that's usually expensive [23:11] sadly I have no choice for now. [23:12] You had trouble scheduling time at iHub? I was a green member. [23:13] wifi and Internet there is usually quite good [23:14] yes I was a green member for sometime in 2011 then I left [23:15] Internet isn't the problem. I'm on a strict budget for now thats why I'm tethering [23:15] I usually have wifi [23:15] at home [23:16] Do you know of any companies that do Ubuntu in Nairobi? [23:16] there's so much money wasted on proprietary solutions [23:18] no. I've converted a few internet cafe's but I don't know of any company [23:19] MS has a stronghold on East Africa and you could get in trouble if you try to reduce their market share :( and the host of middlemen [23:20] indeed [23:21] so let me ask this [23:21] who's most active in the LoCo right now? [23:23] Billy and I. We are also the ones try to organize Software Freedom Day [23:23] *trying [23:24] it's not easy at first [23:24] I was a Debian Devel then was working at SuSE in Oakland, California from 1999-2001. [23:25] I had other things going on for a few years then got back to technology in 2008 when I started organizing events and Linux User Groups in the San Francisco area. [23:25] in 2011 I tried to help Kenya get started [23:25] The emails should be in the archive. [23:26] The Only thing Kenyans need is a mind shift [23:27] to see the benefits of FOSS most of them are on Pirated software [23:27] even I was [23:27] market dynamics in California and the US are different from Kenya, of course, but many issues are shared [23:28] but in California people are afraid of being caught [23:28] it goes right back to the home brew computer club 1976... [23:28] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Letter_to_Hobbyists [23:30] there have been cases of Federal US Marshalls doing audits of small US companies over pirated software [23:32] in Kenya MS does that [23:32] but the budget may be overwhelming [23:32] have you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjaC8Pq9-V0 [23:34] video sucks up tethered bits [23:35] I've put it on my watch later stream [23:35] :) [23:35] is it free to download? [23:37] it's on youtube [23:38] ok [23:40] It would be a good thing to download for a meeting - I showed it to my students while I was there. [23:43] iHub is definitely the place to go for meetings because mostly its free