| darkxst | infinity, hi, can organise someone to setup ddebs on that ppa today (ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-next), thanks! | 07:36 |
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| slangasek | ara, stgraber: looks like we're sorted now wrt old-releases? (apparently it required a manual sync by IS?) | 15:03 |
| stgraber | slangasek: the sync is still failing but at least they triggered one manually | 15:07 |
| * slangasek nods | 15:08 | |
| slangasek | which should be as many as we need for the next few months | 15:08 |
| ara | cool, thanks! | 15:12 |
| rtg | sarnold, can you process bug #1214979 now that the point release is done ? | 16:36 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1214979 in apparmor (Ubuntu Precise) "Feature buffer full in precise with LTS kernel" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1214979 | 16:36 |
| sarnold | rtg: yes, thanks for the reminder | 16:38 |
| NikTh | Hello, | 18:42 |
| NikTh | Can someone to change this[1] please ? [1] - http://i.imgur.com/McFyLrP.jpg | 18:42 |
| infinity | NikTh: Yup. | 18:43 |
| NikTh | infinity: Thanks :-) | 18:43 |
| slangasek | grumble, how'd I miss that | 18:43 |
| slangasek | infinity: thanks | 18:43 |
| infinity | slangasek: Because the front page indexes are done by hand, and someone always forgets a bit? | 18:44 |
| slangasek | well, I followed the checklist | 18:44 |
| slangasek | so maybe the checklist is missing a bit | 18:44 |
| infinity | NikTh: Done. | 18:44 |
| infinity | slangasek: It could be missing the "verify correctness of simple/HEADER.html" bit. | 18:45 |
| NikTh | Also here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuDesktop , the LibreOffice version is 3.5.7 , not 3.5.4 .. but this I can change it my self :-) | 18:46 |
| infinity | slangasek: Although, publish-image-set used to have some verbage to that effect, I thought. | 18:46 |
| slangasek | infinity: publish-image-set has some verbiage which is completely wrong for the point release, fwiw | 18:46 |
| infinity | slangasek: That would do it. :P | 18:47 |
| NikTh | infinity: Maybe the 10.04.4 LTS should be removed from there ? Or place a (server only) next to it ? | 18:47 |
| infinity | NikTh: Certainly not removed. | 18:48 |
| infinity | NikTh: You'll note if you click through that it only has server ISOs, I archived the desktop ones off. | 18:48 |
| NikTh | infinity: Yes, you have right. Server Install CD , only. OK. | 18:49 |
| infinity | I suppose if we think people are trying to make informed decisions about what to install based on that page, either a prominent pointer to a lifecycle page on the wiki, or an "(Approximate EOL: Foo 13, 20XX)" after each one might be helpful. | 18:52 |
| infinity | If I could remember the name of the wiki page with the release/eol dates... | 18:52 |
| NikTh | infinity: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases | 18:53 |
| infinity | NikTh: Danke. You'd think I'd remember that, given the edits I've done to it. | 18:55 |
| * infinity is still convinced that wikis are where data goes to die. | 18:55 | |
| NikTh | infinity: :-) | 18:56 |
| NikTh | Question (of topic a little bit). gnome-session --version , results in 3.2 version (on 12.04.3 LTS) , but "system monitor"(GUI) reads 3.4 version of Gnome. How you define the gnome version in an Ubuntu release ? | 19:06 |
| slangasek | xnox: bug #1216853> er... since when do we support PXE booting livefs images? | 20:12 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1216853 in casper (Ubuntu) "LiveCD missing nfs/crypt kernel modules in the initramfs - During PXE booting failed to mount nfs directory" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1216853 | 20:12 |
| cjwatson | since years | 20:13 |
| cjwatson | I remember lifeless (I think) helping to get that working way back when | 20:13 |
| cjwatson | well, I don't know about "support" since it isn't well-tested, but it is meant to work | 20:14 |
| slangasek | oh, hmm | 20:16 |
| slangasek | I thought we only PXE booted the d-i images | 20:16 |
| cjwatson | it was definitely made to work end to end with ubiquity at one point | 20:18 |
| cjwatson | ... or at least live session booting, but I think ubiquity too | 20:18 |
| xnox | yeah, it does work and i think even someone deploys desktop machines like that. | 20:21 |
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| xnox | let's see if fixing bug 1217041 resolves bug 1216853 | 20:26 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1217041 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu Precise) "initramfs-tools: please include separated nfs modules" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1217041 | 20:26 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1216853 in casper (Ubuntu) "LiveCD missing nfs/crypt kernel modules in the initramfs - During PXE booting failed to mount nfs directory" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1216853 | 20:26 |
| infinity | xnox: Oh bah, I thought I backported that to precise. :/ | 20:52 |
| xnox | infinity: =/ happens. I am confused about crypt modules. cryptsetup was changed to only include them in the initramfs, if needed or if a flag variable is set. Can live-cd somehow include crypt modules in the initramfs unconditionally? | 20:53 |
| infinity | xnox: The problem is that that won't fix the ISO, even if we backport it now. | 20:53 |
| infinity | (Unless we respin the point release) | 20:54 |
| xnox | infinity: well not 12.04.3, but i somehow thought precise-daily will get fixed and well 12.04.4. | 20:54 |
| xnox | Yeah, -rc7 which hopefully fixes javac SEGV =) | 21:04 |
| xnox | infinity: are precise-dailies build with -proposed enabled again? | 21:05 |
| infinity | xnox: Nope, but could do. | 21:06 |
| * infinity tried to remember the syntax... | 21:07 | |
| infinity | slangasek: When you tore all the PROPOSED out of crontab, was it "PROPOSED=1"? | 21:07 |
| slangasek | infinity: yes | 21:07 |
| slangasek | is that what we want at this point? | 21:08 |
| slangasek | or should that only be done for one-off testing? | 21:08 |
| infinity | slangasek: Why not? May as well have proposed enabled up until a few weeks before .4 | 21:08 |
| infinity | It shouldn't suffer the same consistency/installability issues that devel-proposed does, and if it does, we want to know about it anyway. | 21:09 |
| slangasek | well, ok | 21:09 |
| infinity | xnox: precise-daily is all proposey again. | 21:10 |
| * infinity still finds it bizarre that anyone outside our QA labs would consider PXE booting the desktop CD a sane and reasonable option. | 21:11 | |
| infinity | Different strokes, I guess. | 21:11 |
| xnox | slangasek: infinity: i guess the price cd will gain all the verification-failed packages which haven't been removed from -proposed. | 21:11 |
| infinity | xnox: That's fine. It's incentive for us to actually remove stuff from proposed. :P | 21:12 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: so can you remind me the rationale for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes and it's annoying immutability? | 21:29 |
| slangasek | s/it's/its/ | 21:30 |
| infinity | slangasek: I think the rationale was that it's https, and provides a trust path for people who don't/can't trust the GPG signed hashes for some weird reason or other. | 21:33 |
| infinity | (A weak rationale, to be sure, but there it is) | 21:33 |
| infinity | It could use all the EOL releases removed... | 21:34 |
| slangasek | is that something we want to encourage, though? (maybe, maybe not - just want to make sure we have a clear and understood rationale for this thing that lives outside ubuntu-cdimage's control and causes more work) | 21:34 |
| infinity | I'm not sure. The argument seems a bit dubious when it's indistinguishable from a random wiki page that could also be https and made to look identical with incorrect values. | 21:35 |
| slangasek | well, it's a "well-known" address, it's https, and it's not generally modifiable | 21:36 |
| infinity | Perhaps replacing it with a GPG verification HOWTO (including Win32 instructions) might not be a bad plan, and https links to our signing keys. | 21:36 |
| xnox | infinity: where are the GPG key fingerprints published? not many have trust of path to that, is there some https location with those? | 21:41 |
| infinity | xnox: We could make one. | 21:42 |
| infinity | (If there isn't one already) | 21:42 |
| slangasek | if we do, please make sure that updating it becomes part of the documented key rotation process | 21:43 |
| xnox | a fingerprint is listed here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto but that's not explicit, just a by-product of the procedure output. | 21:43 |
| infinity | slangasek: Or have it automagic somehow. | 21:43 |
| slangasek | infinity: which is not going to happen day 1, so it needs to be documented :P | 21:43 |
| xnox | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/project/ has the keyring. | 21:44 |
| slangasek | not the cdimage keyring | 21:44 |
| * xnox never knew we have souce.isos | 21:44 | |
| infinity | We ship the cdimage key in the ubuntu-keyring package, is that not the same keyring found on /ubuntu/project/? | 21:44 |
| slangasek | infinity: why would we ship the cdimage key in the ubuntu-keyring package? Oh, is that needed for trusting the apt sources on alternate CDs? | 21:47 |
| infinity | slangasek: That, yes. | 21:47 |
| infinity | slangasek: See `apt-key list` | 21:47 |
| slangasek | hmm, ok | 21:48 |
| slangasek | regardless, the point is to have an https trust path for those that don't already have the joy of running Ubuntu | 21:48 |
| infinity | Right, so an automated process that tears out the keyring from ubuntu-keyring and dumps it to a well-known https location doesn't sound like it'd be rocket surgery. | 21:49 |
| infinity | In both GPG keyring format and massive ASCII-armored blob of doom. | 21:49 |
| infinity | A bit of work, sure, but would cut down on skinning cats seven different ways down the road. | 21:51 |
| infinity | And, realistically, anyone who can't be bothered to set up PGP/GPG to test the MD5SUM signature probably also won't do due diligence to make sure our SSL cert is trustworthy in any meaningful way. :P | 21:52 |
| infinity | (Alternately, we could stick with the status quo, but maybe open up the list of people who can update that page a little bit...) | 21:55 |
| sarnold | if we're redesigning things, I'd quite like an .asc file for each .iso, to save the hassle of downloading a sha256sums file and seeing a few dozen FAIL messages, or juggling three or four sha256sums files depending upon the versions of ubuntu I've downloaded | 21:59 |
| sarnold | if we had a nice gpg detached sig for each iso, there'd be no name collisions and no dozen listed files that I _didn't_ download.. | 22:00 |
| infinity | sarnold: The only minor concern with that is that it makes the directory a bit messier and confusing to people who have no idea what an "asc" is, download the wrong file, and wonder why they can't burn it. | 22:03 |
| infinity | One would hope that people that easily confused are downloading via direct links from www.u.c/download, but I suspect that's not always true. | 22:03 |
| sarnold | infinity: yeah, it would roughly double the files in each directory. But I hope the one-second download time might be a clue that it isn't a full-featured operating system they just downloaded :) | 22:04 |
| infinity | sarnold: Maybe it's just really efficient? | 22:04 |
| sarnold | infinity: haha, very efficient :) | 22:04 |
| infinity | sarnold: I'm sure I could download some old Slack or Debian floppies on my link in a second or so. That Linux thing isn't supposed to be bloated like Windows, right? :) | 22:09 |
| sarnold | infinity: just be sure you've got at least 16 megabytes of RAM if you're going to use X11! | 22:10 |
| darkxst | infinity, hi | 22:16 |
| infinity | darkxst: Yo. | 22:16 |
| darkxst | infinity, can you get those ddebs sorted for me ;) | 22:17 |
| infinity | darkxst: Remind me of which PPA it was? | 22:17 |
| darkxst | ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-next | 22:17 |
| infinity | darkxst: Iz done. | 22:23 |
| darkxst | infinity, thanks ;) | 22:23 |
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| xnox | infinity: can linux-signed be hinted to not wait for autopackagetest of a wrong version to pass, the right version has passed. | 22:57 |
| infinity | xnox: Yeah, I'll hint it in a bit, and try to get someone to dig deeper into WTF goes wrong there. | 22:58 |
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| stgraber | cjwatson: FYI I'm going to override the autopkgtest result for network-manager as britney seems to be confused. It's the second upload where it thinks it's still running even though it passed. | 23:59 |
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