[00:06] <crypticmofo> also is http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/ where all the current images are / daily
[00:06] <crypticmofo> if so how do i know witch one is mine ?
[00:09] <crypticmofo> actually none of those are for d2vzw there all nexus images
[00:22] <mousepie_linux> crypticmofo: yo i got touch up and running still fine tunein it im going to try and daily it lol
[00:23] <mousepie_linux> how do i get mobile data up?
[00:29] <crypticmofo> mousepie_linux what device ?
[00:34] <mousepie_linux> nexux4
[00:35] <mousepie_linux> nexus
[00:35] <mousepie_linux> 4
[00:35] <crypticmofo> mousepie_linux gsm right ?
[00:35] <mousepie_linux> yes
[00:35] <crypticmofo> i think they only have gsm
[00:35] <crypticmofo> yea sorry don't know
[00:35] <crypticmofo> i got 2 verizon devices
[00:35] <mousepie_linux> tmobile
[00:35] <mousepie_linux> brah
[00:36] <crypticmofo> i should cancel this contract and go t-mobile to get a n4 so i can get ubuntu-touch
[00:36] <crypticmofo> lol
[00:36] <mousepie_linux> dooo it
[00:36] <mousepie_linux> lol
[00:36] <crypticmofo> seriously android / windows phone / blackberry are boring
[00:36] <mousepie_linux> yes
[00:36] <mousepie_linux> lol
[00:36] <crypticmofo> ubuntu-touch when i saw it brought life to everything
[00:36] <crypticmofo> seriously
[00:36] <mousepie_linux> yeah me to man
[00:36] <crypticmofo> in an app you can swuipe to the left or right go home
[00:36] <crypticmofo> thats crazy
[00:36] <mousepie_linux> i thought data was working on the lastest build
[00:37] <mousepie_linux> mobie
[00:37] <mousepie_linux> ,obile
[00:37] <mousepie_linux> well webos waslike that
[00:37] <crypticmofo> aw
[00:37] <crypticmofo> i forgt websos
[00:37] <mousepie_linux> i loved Webos
[00:37] <crypticmofo> belive it or not i have a palm pre2 right next to me
[00:37] <crypticmofo> :D
[00:37] <crypticmofo> i have 2 androids 1 blackberry 1 webos 1 iphone
[00:37] <crypticmofo> haha
[00:38] <crypticmofo> ll worlds at 1 house
[00:38] <crypticmofo> s/ll/all/
[00:38] <mousepie_linux> had a palm pre pre 2 and rocked webos till they killed it
[00:38] <crypticmofo> i should sell this pre2 on ebay or craigslist
[00:38] <crypticmofo> wanna hear something funny
[00:38] <mousepie_linux> noooo
[00:38] <mousepie_linux> yeah
[00:38] <crypticmofo> i had a iphone4 right
[00:38] <mousepie_linux> ok
[00:39] <crypticmofo> got it off craitslist real nice .. and $150 bucks .. i saw an add on crailst for a galaxy nexus
[00:39] <crypticmofo> im thinking w00t ubuntu-touch
[00:39] <mousepie_linux> lol
[00:39] <crypticmofo> i called the guy and he was like nope $199
[00:39] <mousepie_linux> sell your iphone
[00:39] <crypticmofo> im like dood $180
[00:39] <mousepie_linux> dam
[00:39] <crypticmofo> i went to the place he was like sorry man
[00:39] <crypticmofo> i was like fuck i really want this gnex
[00:39] <crypticmofo> i was like how about $150 and this iphone 4
[00:39] <crypticmofo> can you belive that!
[00:40] <mousepie_linux> dam
[00:40] <crypticmofo> he didn't know math
[00:40] <mousepie_linux> thats messed up yo
[00:40] <crypticmofo> yea
[00:40] <mousepie_linux> yeah thats a giid deal]
[00:40] <crypticmofo> he didn't know math seriously check this out
[00:40] <crypticmofo> i got a charger to right
[00:41] <crypticmofo> so it went from $199 - $65 trade in for the iphone -$25 for the charger and i walked out paying $150
[00:41] <crypticmofo> you do the math
[00:41] <crypticmofo> lol
[00:41] <mousepie_linux> i need abd to work
[00:41] <mousepie_linux> kik'
[00:41] <mousepie_linux> lol
[00:42] <crypticmofo> yea he didn't know what he was doing
[00:42] <crypticmofo> i just flashed saucy via recoery and it didn't work
[00:42] <crypticmofo> sheesh
[00:42] <crypticmofo> oh forgot to wipe
[00:42] <crypticmofo> grr
[00:42] <mousepie_linux> lo
[00:42] <mousepie_linux> lol
[00:44] <mousepie_linux> can i get adb shell in terminal on phone?
[00:45] <mousepie_linux> never mind lol
[01:42] <JJnook> hallo,
[01:49] <user> Hello
[01:49] <user> When will my ubuntu edge arrive?
[01:50] <RobbyF> Never.
[01:50] <user> what? I paid $80k for my edges
[01:50] <RobbyF> http://www.ubuntu.com/2013/07/edge-founders
[01:51] <RobbyF> don't see your name
[01:52] <user> Alex Seidel
[01:53] <RAOF> Then you'll be receiving a $80k refund shortly, if you haven't already.
[01:53] <user> DAW
[01:53] <user> But I need the edgeses
[01:59] <crypticmofo> 90k wtf
[01:59] <crypticmofo> 80k ?
[01:59] <crypticmofo> us ?
[02:00] <crypticmofo> how much do you have to pay ?
[02:01] <wilee-nilee> !language | crypticmofo for the second time stop swearing
[02:02] <crypticmofo> that is a curse word
[02:02] <crypticmofo> sorry about that wilee-nilee
[02:04] <crypticmofo> anyway i have another question .. when the preview came out any device could flash it.. it was called quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip .. i been looking at new releases that you guys have and looking for anything that resibles phablet / i found saucy-preinstalled-phablet-armhf but i installed it and it won't boot .. is there something diffrent from the preview phablet .zip and the
[02:04] <crypticmofo> new saucy phablet .zip or what am i doing wrong ?
[02:35] <crypticmofo> anyone about my question ?
[02:48] <crypticmofo> let me put it another way .. since the d2vzw has no maintainer and since someobyd might work on cdma one day .. can i maintin this ? if its easy to just rebuild / factory images and nothing drastic i can do it
[02:48] <crypticmofo> i can test on my own device all day and if something comes out / just add it to whatever and put it on your guys website or something
[02:49] <crypticmofo> the d2vzw forums hasn't been updated since 2/12/13
[02:53] <crypticmofo> do i have to email the lead or something so i can maintain it ?
[02:55] <RAOF> crypticmofo: You can probably just start maintaining it; if there's someone else who'se been working on it then it's polite (and work-saving) to email them and check if there's something you can do to help
[02:56] <RAOF> crypticmofo: But other than that, the maintainer of a device port is the person who maintains the device port ☺
[02:56] <crypticmofo> how hard is it to maintain ? don't you guys maintain the port ?
[02:57] <crypticmofo> i will be testing on my own device ./ its cracked
[02:57] <crypticmofo> or the image or something ?
[02:57] <RAOF> We only maintain the Nexus images.
[02:57] <crypticmofo> aw
[02:57] <RAOF> I don't know how hard it is to maintain :)
[02:58] <crypticmofo> so what is the port ?
[02:58] <crypticmofo> the port is all the images for that device or what ?
[02:59] <RAOF> IIUC (and I'm only tangentially involved) you basically need to take a CM base and add a bit of Ubuntu to it :)
[03:50] <crypticmofo> im playing with the dev preview / demo
[03:50] <crypticmofo> how do you kill all running apps
[03:50] <crypticmofo> don't i have to be in 1 of the apps and clear all
[03:51] <crypticmofo> or am i mising something ?
[04:04] <mattnicole> hi all, any tips on installing an app (like catchpodder) https://code.launchpad.net/catchpodder
[04:08] <OrokuSaki> @ogra_ I got past the ubuntu-touch-session having to restart to boot into UT with graphics
[04:09] <OrokuSaki> Had to modify /etc/init/ubuntu-touch-session-setup.conf and add sleep 60 before start ubuntu-touch-session USER=phablet
[04:09] <OrokuSaki> Going to slim it down, but thought you would like to know
[04:09] <OrokuSaki> I also modified touch script with e2label in the ramdisk so my labels are always good. =)
[04:11] <OrokuSaki> YAY!!!!!!!!!! Anyone know if sound is coming over from android side??? Or is it just kernel and alsa with pulseaudio??? If so sound should be easy for me to get working since its already working in the standard ubuntu 13 non touch
[04:12] <OrokuSaki> Same with bluetooth
[06:00] <dank101> hi
[06:00] <dank101> i'm back
[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[07:11] <tsdgeos> morning
[07:15] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Development on 2nd Gen Nexus 7? | http://askubuntu.com/q/337327
[08:41] <Dennis> Nook HD+  ubuntu touch help?
[09:22] <mamenyaka> hello all! can someone help me with this: linker.c:1329| ERROR:     0 cannot locate 'dlmalloc_walk_heap'
[09:39] <asac> jcollado: hey ... any idea whats going on with dashboard etc.?
[09:46] <ogra_> diwic, so i got a new SIM from a different provider, and everything works fine with it
[09:46] <ogra_> definitely not pulse
[09:46] <asac> ogra_: do you know whats going on? images busted?
[09:47] <ogra_> they were for a day
[09:47] <ogra_> but thats fixed
[09:47] <asac> maybe super badly broken for a day?
[09:47] <ogra_> not sure whats wrong with maguro now
[09:47] <asac> e.g. so broken that the devices cant be flashed anymore?
[09:47] <ogra_> uninstallable for a day
[09:47] <asac> (in automation)
[09:47] <asac> ogra_: maybe uninstallable == make it uninstallable without a hard reset?
[09:48] <ogra_> nah, recovery mode didnt change ... ther was a bug in the container start
[09:48] <ogra_> adbd worked all the time, but the session didnt come up
[09:49] <asac> ogra_: what was the last image we publsihed?
[09:49] <ogra_> asac, 0821
[09:50] <ogra_> (wed.)
[09:51] <asac> ogra_: remind me what happened thu and fri? thought those were good as well...
[09:52] <asac> ogra_: 22 looks good
[09:52] <asac> 245 of 262
[09:53] <ogra_> the sat and sun were clearly busted
[09:53] <asac> ogra_: can you push 22
[09:53] <asac> ?
[09:53] <asac> or do you see a problem there?
[09:53] <ogra_> sure
[09:53] <ogra_> nope
[09:53] <asac> ogra_: good. do it
[09:54] <ogra_> done
[09:54] <popey> in those failed tests there's a lot of failed settle tests
[09:55] <ogra_> yeah
[09:55] <asac> popey: sure. looping processes
[09:55] <asac> if its ueventd in log we retry usually
[09:55] <ogra_> ueventd on mako, pulse on grouper
[09:55] <asac> yeah. so ueventd should have been retried
[09:55] <asac> jcollado: ?
[09:55] <asac> guess its too late now because we run apt-get udpate etc. and might pull in new bits when running
[09:55] <diwic> ogra_, oh, that's good news
[09:56] <asac> ogra_: when is ueventd fix landing?
[09:56] <asac> is that in now?
[09:56] <ogra_> diwic, well ... i'd like to be able to use my normal SIM with ubuntu ... but  yeah, i guess for you it is :)
[09:56] <ogra_> asac, landed already ....
[09:56] <asac> good
[09:56] <asac> networking issues again
[09:56] <asac> ping broken
[09:56] <asac> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3759/default/
[09:56] <ogra_> yeah
[09:56] <asac> on mako
[09:57] <asac> wonder when our adb thing can land
[09:57]  * ogra_ is rather looking at maguro atm
[09:57] <asac> ogra_: thats empty still
[09:57] <ogra_> that looks really bad, no idea why
[09:57] <asac> guess we have to wait for the next batch\
[09:57] <asac> ogra_: i see 0:0
[09:57] <ogra_> not empty
[09:57] <ogra_> the install test failed
[09:58] <asac> ogra_: yeah wifi as well
[09:58] <asac> jcollado: can you retry this stuff?
[09:58] <asac>  "wait for network failed, rebooting and retrying...
[09:58] <asac> "
[09:58] <asac> ogra_: again the adb thing would have helped :)
[09:58] <ogra_> you think so ?
[09:59] <diwic> ogra_, fair point :-) although having narrowed it down to "something SIM card related" is a step in the right direction
[09:59] <ogra_> to me it looks like adb itself failed
[09:59] <asac> ogra_: adb gets messages etc.
[09:59] <asac> so its connected
[09:59] <diwic> ogra_, you can compare ofono logs from one sim and the other etc
[09:59] <asac> otherwise you wont be bale to see the ifconfig stuff
[09:59] <asac> otherwise you wont be bale to see the ifconfig stuff
[09:59] <asac> etc.
[09:59] <asac> sop adb is fine, just wifi bringup died
[10:00] <ogra_> diwic, yeah, i will ... i#ll do a debugging session with tony on that
[10:00] <ogra_> i'm pretty sure its lower level stuff
[10:00] <diwic> yup
[10:01] <asac> ogra_: mako seems to go smoothly though :)... niice
[10:01] <ogra_> yeah
[10:01] <popey> asac: not conviced it's just "looping processes" given "top" eats 12% on some of those tests. the test tool making the test fail, surely.
[10:01] <ogra_> the two fixes definitealy helped
[10:01] <asac> popey: have you checked down the log?
[10:01] <ogra_> though it will be perfect once the upstart bridge is in use
[10:01] <asac> the first entry is always a bit noisy from top
[10:01] <asac> but we remove it explicitely from the calc
[10:01] <popey> ah okay.
[10:02] <asac> popey: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3722/unity8-autopilot/300972/
[10:03] <asac> if you scroll down you see that there is some stuff really keeping things busy ...
[10:03] <asac> in this case not really bad like ueventd
[10:03] <asac> but still noise from ubuntu-download/ indicators/ rild
[10:03] <asac> evolution-calendar
[10:03] <asac> etc.
[10:03] <asac> in some cases we might be able to tweak our minimum idle needed
[10:04] <asac> but then, i kind of thinkg that this stuff is going on while we run tests isnt good either
[10:05] <asac> todays images look quieter so far :)
[10:06] <ogra_> well, many bits do delayed initialization of their DB on first boot and stuff like that
[10:07] <ogra_> we should probably give them some time to do that ... like 10min and then only do the tests in a second session after reboot
[10:07] <asac> ogra_: its fine to wait for those that are needed to setup system
[10:07] <asac> however, froim the look there is also just random cron stuff
[10:07] <asac> that we just dont need
[10:07] <asac> as it doesnt happen in other runs either_)
[10:08] <ogra_> well, evolution-data-server surely initializes the contacts system for example
[10:08] <ogra_> on a freshly installed system
[10:11] <serge1> hello
[10:12] <segastep> hello
[10:12] <serge1> Can someone explain to me how ubuntu and android works together (kernel sharing and how ? )
[10:13] <serge1> I think I've read that there will be no chroot...
[10:15] <ogra_> there isnt anymore
[10:15] <ogra_> since a while already
[10:16] <ogra_> serge1, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ContainerArchitecture
[10:16] <serge1> ogra_ thanks... I'm going to read ot
[10:27] <ogra_> maguro seems to work fine here
[10:32] <Tassadar_> whoa, grouper's camera is working)
[10:37] <jcollado> asac: Retried, but ping failed again.
[10:44] <asac> hmm
[10:44] <asac> jcollado: so the rest fails too?
[10:45] <jcollado> asac: Just ping as in the previous run.
[10:48] <asac> jcollado: and maguro? that failed on install/boot
[10:52] <mamenyaka> ogra_, thank you!
[10:59] <mamenyaka> ogra_, it works with the binaries from sgs2
[11:02] <ogra_> awesome !
[11:04] <mamenyaka> ogra_, only issue remains that if I reboot, it will get stuck at bootlogo, waiting for surface and sensors
[11:08] <ogra_> jcollado, did you give back maguro already ?
[11:09] <ogra_> (i cant find any issues in a local install with the 0826 image here)
[11:10] <asac> ogra_: do you see anything interesting in the log?
[11:10] <ogra_> no
[11:10] <ogra_> some adb shell call failed
[11:11] <asac> ogra_: where?
[11:11] <asac> wait for network failed, rebooting and retrying...
[11:11] <asac> i only see that
[11:11] <ogra_> on the one and only maguro test that ran
[11:11] <ogra_> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/saucy-touch-maguro-smoke-install-and-boot/72/console
[11:11] <asac> yeah got the line above from https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/saucy-touch-maguro-smoke-install-and-boot/72/console
[11:11] <jcollado> ogra_: Yes, it seems it worked fine this time: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/saucy-touch-maguro-smoke-install-and-boot/73/
[11:12] <asac> cool :)
[11:12] <asac> jcollado: and the rest of the jobs are now happily continuing?
[11:12] <ogra_> great
[11:15] <jcollado> asac: I've re-scheduled the master job. That will go through all the smoke jobs again.
[11:28] <asac> jcollado: thx. keep me posted
[11:34] <OrokuSaki> got touch working on LVM partitions and everything
[11:36] <ogra_> congrats !
[11:41] <OrokuSaki> Thanks! Some crazy ass notes for anyone http://pastebin.com/mc0BK5k5
[11:41] <OrokuSaki> Good notes!
[11:47] <mamenyaka> ogra_, Waiting for service SurfaceFlinger... Waiting for service sensorservice...; I have even built the image with class main in sensorservice (no override)
[11:49] <OrokuSaki> mamenyako to get around this I edited /etc/init/powerd.conf and put a # on the line it says to respawn
[11:49] <OrokuSaki> sad hack I know
[11:50] <OrokuSaki> that got the waiting for sensor service to go away which left surfaceflinger
[11:50] <OrokuSaki> surfacefliger had started....
[11:50] <OrokuSaki> So I put in sleep 60 (wait 60 seconds before running ubuntu-touch-session USER=phablet) and to my surprise it worked
[11:51] <OrokuSaki> to test this login adb and run service ubuntu-touch-session restart USER=phablet when your left with the waiting for surfaceflinger
[11:51] <OrokuSaki> worked for me
[11:51] <OrokuSaki> I was stuck on that for a week
[11:51] <OrokuSaki> got past it last night
[11:51] <OrokuSaki> give it a whirl
[11:52] <OrokuSaki> I plan on lowering the sleep 60 today
[11:52] <OrokuSaki> sleep XX how many seconds
[11:53] <mamenyaka> thank you OrokuSaki, I will try it
[11:53] <OrokuSaki> If it doesn't work... Got me! =)
[11:53] <mamenyaka> but sadly this only occurs on second boot
[11:54] <mamenyaka> first boot goes well
[11:54] <OrokuSaki> Interesting
[11:54] <OrokuSaki> I would logcat both and post both
[11:54] <mamenyaka> both?
[11:54] <OrokuSaki> first boot vs second boot
[11:54] <mamenyaka> okay
[11:54] <OrokuSaki> compare
[11:54] <mamenyaka> I can give you second boot right now
[11:55] <mamenyaka> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6028379/
[11:59] <OrokuSaki> mame.. can you run android-chroot
[12:01] <mamenyaka> no
[12:01] <mamenyaka> I tried what you suggested
[12:02] <mamenyaka> only waiting for Surface
[12:02] <mamenyaka> but the service restart doesn't work
[12:02] <mamenyaka> OrokuSaki,
[12:03] <OrokuSaki> you have to be able to run android-chroot
[12:03] <mamenyaka> (you can autocomplete names here in chat with TAB)
[12:04] <OrokuSaki> run lxc-info -n android
[12:04] <OrokuSaki> is it running?
[12:04] <mamenyaka> yes
[12:04] <OrokuSaki> if so what is the PID
[12:04] <mamenyaka> 1539
[12:04] <OrokuSaki> look at /proc/1539/root
[12:04] <OrokuSaki> or rootfs
[12:05] <OrokuSaki> then from there.. see if /system is occupied
[12:05] <OrokuSaki> any files in there or empty?
[12:05] <mamenyaka> occupied?
[12:05] <mamenyaka> empty
[12:05] <OrokuSaki> what is your error when running android-chroot
[12:05] <OrokuSaki> empty!
[12:05] <OrokuSaki> okay that is bad
[12:05] <mamenyaka> chroot: failed to run command 'sh': No such file or directory
[12:05] <OrokuSaki> yep
[12:06] <mamenyaka> yes, system isn't mounted?
[12:06] <OrokuSaki> yep.. that is the problem
[12:06] <OrokuSaki> look at my notes.. you can see my fstab...
[12:06] <mamenyaka> okay
[12:06] <OrokuSaki> I got around it by doing this line in fstab...  /system /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/system auto ro,bind 0       0
[12:07] <OrokuSaki> I also did "4. comment update-fstab from lxc-android-boot.conf"
[12:08] <OrokuSaki> otherwise it keeps adding lines on every boot
[12:08] <mamenyaka> maybe that will be it, because on first boot it goes well
[12:08] <OrokuSaki> at least for me
[12:08] <OrokuSaki> then I could android-chroot
[12:08] <mamenyaka> my fstab:
[12:08] <mamenyaka> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6028416/
[12:09] <OrokuSaki> looks good make sure /system is occupied
[12:09] <OrokuSaki> then add that line after your vendor /system /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/system auto ro,bind 0       0
[12:09] <OrokuSaki> see if that causes your /proc/pid/root/system to be occupied on next reboot
[12:11] <w-flo> OrokuSaki, can you post findmnt output from your device? I want to fix my /data mount, it always complains about data already mounted at /
[12:13] <mamenyaka> OrokuSaki, Thank you!
[12:13] <mamenyaka> the fstab really did the trick!
[12:17] <OrokuSaki> YAY!
[12:17] <OrokuSaki> =)
[12:17] <OrokuSaki> It is a hack... other people don't seem to need to do that
[12:17] <OrokuSaki> no idea why
[12:17] <OrokuSaki> ogra_ ??? Do you know why?
[12:18] <OrokuSaki> PS.. thanks ogra couldn't of made it this far without you!
[12:19] <ogra_> your fstab would be created on first boot by the lxc-android-boot upstart job usually ... seems that failed
[12:19] <OrokuSaki> that is why I used the e2label as well in the touch script.. hoping it was going off of labels on the partition
[12:19] <OrokuSaki> I called my label system for system... got me
[12:20] <ogra_> (teh bind mount above is wrong, it should be a direct mount of /dev/foo/bar/baz (whatever carries /system on your device)
[12:20] <mamenyaka> but my first boot goes okay, the second boot is messed up
[12:20] <OrokuSaki> I supposed I could try that... mount the dev twice? Once on /system and the other on /var/lib?
[12:21] <OrokuSaki> oh well.. it works. =)
[12:21] <OrokuSaki> I figure in another 6 months half this stuff won't matter
[12:22] <ogra_> you dont mount anything in /var/lib
[12:22] <OrokuSaki> hmm... well.. it worked
[12:22] <OrokuSaki> I am leaving it
[12:22] <ogra_> nothing is actively happening in there
[12:22] <OrokuSaki> IF I dont then my /system in my proc/pid/root/system is never mounted
[12:22] <ogra_> the container startup takes the rootfs from there, before firing up the container
[12:23] <OrokuSaki> I tried editing the android.config and adding my own fstab... didn't seem to work either
[12:23] <ogra_> it should work with the default fstab
[12:23] <OrokuSaki> that is the strange thing
[12:24] <ogra_> you seem to heavily mix up container and non-container bits atm
[12:24] <OrokuSaki> even update-fstab sees my system, puts in the enty.. container boots.. but without my system
[12:24] <OrokuSaki> which is why dmesg says it couldn't find sufaceflinger, etc, etc, etc
[12:25] <OrokuSaki> Maybe its a bug
[12:25] <OrokuSaki> Maybe my lvm partitions complicate things
[12:25] <OrokuSaki> dont know
[12:26] <OrokuSaki> UUID of dm-8 not matching the UID of /dev/store/cm-system or etc
[12:26] <OrokuSaki> I tried going off of /dev/store/cm-etc instead of /dev/dm-* and it doesn't boot.. hangs... no adb
[12:31] <nerochiaro> Wellark: timp: any of you guys alive ?
[12:32] <OrokuSaki> Does pulse get its audio from lxc or straight from alsa and the kernel????
[12:33] <OrokuSaki> And.. where is the music app? =)_
[12:33] <mamenyaka> it's there
[12:33] <OrokuSaki> I added a mp3 to music... removed the Mock.Music.... don't see any music
[12:33] <mamenyaka> just open up the Music App
[12:33] <OrokuSaki> File Manager seems buggy.. that the side stage line sometimes doesn' go away
[12:34] <OrokuSaki> Music app is not showing on my applications
[12:34] <Wellark> nerochiaro: hardly.. I'm sick..
[12:34] <mamenyaka> how many lines off apps do you see?
[12:34] <mamenyaka> if two, then you need to click on installed
[12:34] <OrokuSaki> I did apt-get install upgrade music-app thing
[12:34] <mamenyaka> to see all
[12:35] <OrokuSaki> give it a try...
[12:35] <mamenyaka> http://kepfeltoltes.hu/130816/UbuntuTouch2_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.png
[12:35] <mamenyaka> there is the music app
[12:35] <OrokuSaki> Can we just copy a video to videos and see it? Or do we have to get it added to the lens, etc?
[12:36] <OrokuSaki> I removed the scope.mock videos and music
[12:36] <mamenyaka> you need to open the mediaplayer by opening a video from lens, then you can select other files
[12:36] <OrokuSaki> so my music and videos show empty
[12:36] <OrokuSaki> so I guess the question is.. how can I add a video to lens
[12:37] <OrokuSaki> Adding this video... Microsoft Multimedia Pack from 1992 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RntXcdHhAcM
[12:38] <OrokuSaki> I have the avi
[12:38] <OrokuSaki> Going to include it in my... "rom" =)
[12:40] <mamenyaka> hah
[12:40] <mamenyaka> OrokuSaki, want to check out the logcat from first boot? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6028509/
[12:40] <mamenyaka> no hacks or anyithing
[12:41] <ogra_> awe, so i tried another SIM on the weekend for the usse where incoming calls dont work ... seems with the other SIM this works fine while it doesnt with my normal one ... i fear we'lll have to do some debugging
[12:41] <ogra_> s/usse/issue/
[12:41] <awe> ogra_, have you opened a bug?
[12:42] <awe> if not, please do
[12:42] <ogra_> awe, not yet
[12:42] <ogra_> just verified it works fine with a different SIm
[12:43] <asac> ogra_: did anything change on the unity stack?
[12:43] <asac> e.g. regressions on maguro unity8 aps
[12:43] <ogra_> not that i know of
[12:44] <ogra_> asac, it apparently works fine on mako
[12:44] <asac> right
[12:44] <ogra_> i'd just give it back at least once
[12:44] <mamenyaka> OrokuSaki, so rootfs/system is empty, but proc/1234/root/system is not
[12:44] <asac> ogra_: yeah lets see
[12:44] <asac> jcollado: acn you give back unity8 on maguro?
[12:44] <asac> ping is still unhappy though
[12:49] <ogra_> rsalveti, anything that holds us back from doing the pulse switch today ?
[12:49] <ogra_> diwic, ^^^ ?
[12:50] <diwic> ogra_, good question - I don't know if the "no ringtone on first call" bug is a blocker
[12:50] <ogra_> oh, there is that
[12:50] <rsalveti> probably not, let's discuss it at our sync
[12:50] <awe> better hope it's not an important call
[12:50] <awe> ;)
[12:50] <ogra_> if it is important they will call again
[12:50] <ogra_> :)
[12:51] <awe> w/a different SIM
[12:51] <ogra_> (we should put that on a wallpaper :) )
[12:52] <mamenyaka> ogra_, can I have you for another moment?
[12:53] <ogra_> just ask away
[12:54] <mamenyaka> so first boot vs second boot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6028536/ - http://paste.ubuntu.com/6028539/
[12:54] <MyJetpackCanFly> Hi
[12:55] <MyJetpackCanFly> Um. I have a few questions about the ubuntu phones. If someone could help me answer them it would be great :)
[12:55] <mamenyaka> ogra_, system doesn't get mounted
[12:56] <ogra_> mamenyaka, you have a proper entry in fstab ?
[12:56] <mamenyaka> MyJetpackCanFly, go ahead
[12:56] <mamenyaka> ogra_, /etc/fstab: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6028567/
[12:56] <jcollado> asac: Regarding unity8, it failed again, it seems there's a permission problem: UInputError('"/dev/uinput" cannot be opened for writing',)
[12:56] <MyJetpackCanFly> will the ubuntu touch homepage be customizable in any way?
[12:57] <mamenyaka> MyJetpackCanFly, someday, yes
[12:58] <ogra_> you can already change the wallpaper
[12:58] <ogra_> there will surely be more customization options
[12:59] <ogra_> mamenyaka, can i see your /etcfstab ?
[12:59] <MyJetpackCanFly> Thanks. And also, is there a ubuntu phone(designed by ubuntu and not just an android phone) that they will be selling?
[12:59] <mamenyaka> ogra_, ^^
[12:59] <ogra_> MyJetpackCanFly, there will be
[12:59] <MyJetpackCanFly> When will it be coming out?
[12:59] <ogra_> mamenyaka, oops, blind
[13:00] <ogra_> mamenyaka, ok, seems all fine, do you see it mounted when that happens to the container ?
[13:00] <ogra_> MyJetpackCanFly, first half 2014 i think
[13:01] <MyJetpackCanFly> Cools :P
[13:01] <mamenyaka> how can I check?
[13:02] <MyJetpackCanFly> Oh and one more question. Will you be able to download music straight from the internet in the ubuntu os?
[13:02] <mamenyaka> ogra_, df: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6028582/
[13:03] <tsdgeos> ricmm: had time to look at the url thing for the papi?
[13:03] <ricmm> tsdgeos: I thought I had approved it
[13:03] <ricmm> can you give me the link?
[13:04] <MyJetpackCanFly> Or download anything straight from the internet like videos, photos, etc.
[13:04] <tsdgeos> ricmm: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/platform-api/papi.url/+merge/181523
[13:04] <mamenyaka> MyJetpackCanFly, sure
[13:04] <MyJetpackCanFly> Yay thanks so much 4 your help :)
[13:05] <mamenyaka> MyJetpackCanFly, no problem
[13:05] <ricmm> tsdgeos: approved
[13:05] <ricmm> I had tested it, I guess I forgot the approval
[13:05] <tsdgeos> ricmm: thanks, you know who do i bug for https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/qtubuntu/qtubunturl ?
[13:06] <ogra_> mamenyaka, did you modify your android fstab in any way ?
[13:06] <mamenyaka> no
[13:06] <mamenyaka> ogra_, just the nosuid part
[13:06] <ogra_> well, it definitely doesnt get processed for some reson
[13:07] <mamenyaka> ogra_, https://github.com/mamenyaka/android_device_samsung_n80xx-common/blob/phablet-saucy/fstab.smdk4x12
[13:08] <ogra_> looka all fine
[13:08] <ogra_> *looks
[13:08] <asac> ogra_: saw jcollado's "uevent" not accessible error?
[13:09] <asac> om26er: hey
[13:09] <ogra_> asac, well, thats an autopilot thing
[13:09] <asac> om26er: kgunn says you are not able to reproduce the maguro problem with uevent not accessible?
[13:10] <mamenyaka> ogra_, so what's causing it to fail on second boot?
[13:10] <ogra_> mamenyaka, well, obviously the /system partition doesnt get mounted in the second one, no idea why
[13:11] <ogra_> check your changes to init.rc if they perhaps broke the mounting
[13:11] <mhall119> ogra_: are the click apps (sudoku, stock ticker, dropping-letters) still being pre-isntalled on the daily images?
[13:11] <mamenyaka> ogra_, no changes on init.rc
[13:12] <ogra_> mhall119, i think the set of apps changed
[13:12]  * ogra_ needs to check
[13:12] <ricmm> tsdgeos: me
[13:13] <ricmm> tsdgeos: actually, ask loicm for that
[13:13] <ricmm> if he wasnt on holiday, my bad
[13:13] <ricmm> tsdgeos: I'll review when the platform-api bits land and publish
[13:14] <ogra_> mhall119, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/click_packages/click_list
[13:14] <ogra_> thats the current click seed
[13:16] <ogra_> (not changed apparently)
[13:19] <om26er> asac, I never tried to reproduce that issue, I know it was happening previously and I added a workaround for that in my merger jobs
[13:20] <tsdgeos> ricmm: ok, awesome, tx
[13:22] <asac> om26er: so we landed systemsettle to reveal what we understood
[13:22] <asac> e.g. system under load
[13:22] <asac> om26er: todays issue is not under load ... e.g. ti might be something real
[13:22] <asac> but lets continue in #ubuntu-unity
[13:23] <ogra_> asac, with the ueventd fixes udev starts a bit later than before ... might be related
[13:24] <ogra_> i.e. if there is an autopilot upstart job that isnt set up to wait for everything to be ready
[13:25] <asac> jcollado: one more try?
[13:25] <asac> even though i believe its reproducible today
[13:26]  * asac flashes pening
[13:26] <asac> pending
[13:26] <ogra_> runs fine for me
[13:26] <asac> ogra_: the unity8 autopilot?
[13:27] <ogra_> no, the installed system :)
[13:27] <asac> ogra_: can you try that?
[13:27] <asac> autopilot unity8?
[13:27] <ogra_> is there a doc ?
[13:27] <asac> should be a single command
[13:27] <ogra_> just that ?
[13:27] <OrokuSaki> autopilot
[13:27] <OrokuSaki> I have that error
[13:27] <asac> ogra_: the email
[13:27] <asac> ogra_: phablet-test-run
[13:27] <asac> basically
[13:27] <asac> ogra_: 3. phablet-test-run -i -p camera-app-autopilot camera_app
[13:28] <mhall119> ogra_: ok, Dinko (sudoku developer) was saying on G+ that sudoku wasn't installed in the latest image he flashed
[13:28] <asac> with unity8
[13:28] <ogra_> mhall119, probably a .desktop issue, did he search for it ?
[13:28] <mhall119> dunno, I'll ask
[13:30] <sergiusens> mhall119: it's a click app, so how was he checking?
[13:31] <mhall119> sergiusens: I assume he was looking for it in the dash
[13:31] <ogra_> asac, fails with a ton of dpkg errors
[13:32] <asac> so thats not the way to do it anymore?
[13:32] <ogra_> oh, thats because i had replaced a lot of stuff
[13:32] <asac> see
[13:32] <ogra_> hmm, wichi i really wouldnt like to wipe right now
[13:32] <asac> :)
[13:32] <asac> yeah wait for me
[13:32] <asac> flashing is ongoing
[13:32] <asac> will take 10 more i guess
[13:33]  * ogra_ reinstalls adbd
[13:34] <ogra_> geez, why does it install all that qt4 stuff ?
[13:36] <ogra_> now it crashes with a ssh error
[13:36] <ogra_> why would it use ssh for anything ?
[13:37] <ogra_> asac, doesnt look like i can even get to towards the test at all
[13:37] <ogra_> phablet-test-run -i -p unity8-autopilot unity8
[13:38] <ogra_> thats what i run here
[13:39] <MyJetpackCanFly> is there instagram and whats app on ubuntu touch?
[13:40] <asac> ogra_: lets see what i get here
[13:44] <asac> doanac`: phablet-test-run doesnt work :/
[13:44] <asac> so i assume we are not using that?
[13:44] <asac> sergiusens: ^^
[13:44] <doanac`> asac: what's broke on it?
[13:44] <asac> doanac`: sergiusens: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6028699/
[13:44] <asac> doenst work ... ssh problems
[13:44] <asac> mid through the run
[13:45] <ogra_> i get the same here
[13:46] <doanac`> not sure. we don't use SSH in the lab. I do have a patch to remove the SSH requirement, if you are interested: https://code.launchpad.net/~doanac/phablet-tools/adb-only
[13:46] <ogra_> well, it used to work in the past
[13:46] <ogra_> with the same local setup it doesnt anymore today
[13:46] <asac> right
[13:46] <ogra_> so something changed or broke
[13:47] <asac> tahts the point :)
[13:47] <asac> ogra_: what changed?
[13:47] <asac> :)
[13:47] <sergiusens> asac: there's an MR from doanac` to get rid of ssh, but in the meantime you need phablet-network-setup -i
[13:47] <ogra_> asac, code i'd say :P
[13:47] <asac> sergiusens: hmm. right forgot it sets up ssh
[13:47] <asac> sergiusens: i believe this should be lazily done in phablet-test-run -i as needed :)
[13:47] <ogra_> ++
[13:48] <sergiusens> asac: not required with this: https://code.launchpad.net/~doanac/phablet-tools/adb-only/+merge/182108
[13:48] <asac> maybe all of network setup could be done there magically
[13:48] <asac> rigght. also fine if it works :)
[13:50]  * asac restarts phablet-test-run  now thjat network has fiinished
[13:51] <ogra_> looks better
[13:53] <asac> ogra_: somewhat dropped the connection in the middle of the test here
[13:53] <asac> e.g.Tests running...
[13:53] <asac> __pthread_gettid -2
[13:53] <asac> Connection to 127.0.0.1 closed by remote host.
[13:53] <asac> Connection to 127.0.0.1 closed.
[13:53] <asac> error: device not found
[13:53] <ogra_> still running for me
[13:53] <asac> good
[13:55] <ogra_> well, my screen is black simce a while ... but the prompt hasnt returned
[14:01] <sergiusens> asac: ogra_ http://paste.ubuntu.com/6028766/ and screen is white
[14:01] <sergiusens> doanac`: who maintains the tests for unity8?
[14:02] <ogra_> sergiusens, where did you get that ? my console sits at
[14:02] <ogra_> Tests running...
[14:02] <ogra_> __pthread_gettid -2
[14:02] <ogra_> with a blinking cursor underneath
[14:03] <sergiusens> ogra_: I'm using the adb version
[14:03] <ogra_> ah
[14:03] <doanac`> plars: do you know the answer to sergiusens question?
[14:03] <ogra_> well, for me it doesnt seem to fail
[14:03] <ogra_> but also doesnt seem to finish
[14:03] <doanac`> as of Friday, the unity8 tests were working for me.
[14:03] <ogra_> screen is black and doesnt turn on anymore
[14:03] <doanac`> let me update and look
[14:03] <ogra_> shell just sitst there
[14:04] <plars> sergiusens, doanac: I thought someone once told me it was mzanetti - mzanetti: do you maintain the unity8 tests?
[14:04] <sergiusens> that might of been pre Feb
[14:05] <sergiusens> ogra_: just for you bug #1216933
[14:05] <ogra_> sergiusens, oh, thanks "
[14:05] <ogra_> !
[14:06] <ogra_> confirmed
[14:06]  * ogra_ ctrl-c's 
[14:06] <ogra_> lets re-try this test
[14:08] <mzanetti> plars: I'm part of the unity8 team, yes
[14:13] <plars> doanac`, sergiusens: ^
[14:13] <asac> doanac`: so for me the unity8 succeeded on maguro/pending too
[14:14] <asac> wonder if that has to do with broken net setup?
[14:15] <asac> doanac`: i did network-setup and phablet-test-run -i -p
[14:20] <doanac`> asac: looks like unity8 failed on maguro because of a permission issue with /dev/uinput. I think jcollado created a fix for that
[14:20] <asac> doanac`: can you give me background story?
[14:21] <asac> why are we seeing this issue? what does the fix involve?
[14:21] <asac> why only maguro?
[14:21] <asac> jcollado: ?
[14:23] <asac> doanac`: this feels like a dejavu issue
[14:23] <doanac`> asac: we are having our daily stand up in 8 minutes. I should be able get the story there and relay it to you
[14:23] <plars> doanac`: wasn't this the old autopilot issue that's been around for a while? We already had a workaround for that
[14:23] <doanac`> plars: yeah. ii'm not sure how it would happen. its possible I caused a regression on friday
[14:23]  * asac senses that we didnt fix it, but had a weird hacko :)
[14:23] <OrokuSaki> @ogra_ maybe its because my kernel does not have fanotify or apparmor... I bet that is why...
[14:24] <OrokuSaki> I forgot when I tested 3.0.8 services seemed to start better
[14:24] <ogra_> it definitely works without apparmor
[14:24] <OrokuSaki> but that kerneldoesn't really have an android source.. hm.. then maybe fanotify
[14:24] <jcollado> doanac`, asac: I've seen the UInputError('"/dev/uinput" cannot be opened for writing',) in the logs, bug I haven't created any fix.
[14:25] <asac> doanac`: i ran it twice now
[14:25] <plars> doanac`: I don't think  jcollado did anything but rerun it this morning, so we'll have to look at why it was suddenly hit. but if there was a regression in something that was checked in over the weekend, I would expect us to see it again, and on other devices too
[14:25] <doanac`> jcollado, asac, plars: i see the issue. its a regression from my change on Friday
[14:25] <asac> it seems to be going well locallyt. i believe this issue is on you folks :)
[14:25] <asac> to figure... e.g. how is your approach different from us
[14:25] <OrokuSaki> I'd have to buy  nexus and test it with a kernel config without fanotify to see what hapens
[14:25] <asac> using phablet-flash + phablet-network-setup + phablet-test-run
[14:25] <ogra_> Ran 11 tests in 282.973s
[14:25] <ogra_> OK
[14:25] <ogra_> Connection to 127.0.0.1 closed.
[14:25] <OrokuSaki> not worth it
[14:25] <ogra_> finished fine here too
[14:25] <asac> doanac`: ok... can you give me some background :)
[14:26] <doanac`> asac: when autopilot installs, there's a known bug where permissions on /dev/uinput get messed up.
[14:26] <doanac`> if you reboot they go back to normal
[14:26] <asac> when autopilot gets installed?
[14:26] <asac> so autopilot changes uinput in the postinst ?
[14:26] <doanac`> if you try and do a run before the reboot, you need to chmod 666 /dev/uinput
[14:26] <asac> i see
[14:26] <asac> thats because autopilot adds a udev rule i am sure
[14:26] <doanac`> it tries to add a udev rule that's not needed for touch (only desktop)
[14:26] <OrokuSaki> I added the /dev/uinput to my udev rules.... does it work?
[14:27] <asac> ogra_: how do we trigger applying udev rules in postinst when they change?
[14:27] <asac> isnt there a proven way?
[14:27] <ogra_> udevadm iirc
[14:27] <w-flo> OrokuSaki, why is there no source for the kernel you are using? I thought it's GPL
[14:27] <asac> doanac`: hmm. and that "desktop rule" falls apart and hence the real rule isnt applied?
[14:27] <doanac`> asac: the issue is that we *shouldn't* be applying this rule on touch. the permissions are already correct
[14:27] <sergiusens> udevadm control --reload
[14:28] <asac> doanac`: do you know where the logic is that does that?
[14:28] <doanac`> python-autopilot
[14:28] <OrokuSaki> 3.0.8 kernel was used for WebOS... cyanogenmod team never finished getting it working, instead the devoted work to the 2.6.35 kernel from webos to run on android
[14:28] <doanac`> we need the rule still for non-touch stuff
[14:28] <doanac`> so it needs some sort of conditional in the packaging
[14:29] <doanac`> however - the real issue is that I made a change on friday that makes it possible for the unity8 test to no longer call chmod before it runs
[14:29] <doanac`> (the real issue in the lab)
[14:29] <asac> doanac`: so seems on desktop we use 660?
[14:29] <OrokuSaki> so the source for 3.0.8 that they left unfinished.. is on jcsullins github, but nobody seems to have a working android\cm source for devices/hp/tenderloin...
[14:29] <asac> but we need 666 for autopilot to work?
[14:29] <doanac`> asac: that plus it changes the group ownership of /dev/uinput
[14:29] <ogra_> do we ?
[14:29] <asac> doanac`: feels like phablet should be in the autopilot group?
[14:29] <OrokuSaki> sup w-flo
[14:29] <asac> ogra_: can that be done?
[14:29] <mfisch> lool: ping
[14:29] <w-flo> OrokuSaki, ouch :(
[14:29] <OrokuSaki> yep!
[14:30] <doanac`> asac: phablet is in  the correct group on touch out of the box
[14:30] <OrokuSaki> old school kernel
[14:30] <ogra_> asac, preferably from the postinst script of autopilot
[14:30] <doanac`> the thing we need to do is make python-autopilot not apply this udev rule on touch
[14:30] <asac> doanac`: i dont see it in autopilot
[14:31] <ogra_> (well, preferably we shouldnt use groups at all but policykit and udev-acl ... instead of adding system groups)
[14:31] <doanac`> asac: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~autopilot/autopilot/trunk/view/head:/debian/61-autopilot-uinput.rules
[14:31] <doanac`> by having a file by that name debian automagically applies it
[14:31] <asac> doanac`: no ... i dont see phablet being member of autopilot
[14:31] <asac> group
[14:31] <OrokuSaki> But.. you can now go on craigslist, but a 10" tablet and play with Ubuntu Touch soon. All for 100 dollars. =)
[14:31] <doanac`> asac: it doesn't need to. its a member of bluetooth which has write access on touch
[14:31] <OrokuSaki> Touchpads are everywhere
[14:32] <asac> doanac`: the uinput is owned by group autopilot
[14:32] <asac> anyway. let me poke
[14:32] <OrokuSaki> only has 1024x768 though
[14:32] <asac> point is in  general there shouldnt be a diff on touch vs. desktop
[14:32] <asac> after all we try to converge
[14:32] <doanac`> asac: not out of the box. its owned by bluetooth
[14:32] <w-flo> OrokuSaki, do click apps work without apparmor in the kernel?
[14:32] <sergiusens> uinput owned by bluetooth?
[14:33] <OrokuSaki> click apps??? I can run some apps
[14:33] <ogra_> not here
[14:33] <OrokuSaki> browser works...
[14:33] <w-flo> OrokuSaki, e.g. sudoku
[14:33] <ogra_> uinput is definitely owned by the autopilot group here
[14:33] <OrokuSaki> I don't think so.. I tried running that yesterday
[14:33] <OrokuSaki> or the xda app
[14:33]  * asac wonders how the test works on desktop
[14:33] <ogra_> and was 660 initially ... now it is 666
[14:34] <asac> right
[14:34] <w-flo> OrokuSaki, yeah.. you need apparmor for click apps AFAIK
[14:34] <OrokuSaki> perhaps I can remove apparmor from /etc/init
[14:34] <OrokuSaki> ?
[14:34] <ogra_> no
[14:34] <OrokuSaki> hmmmm
[14:34] <ogra_> you need to put apparmor=0 on the kernel cmdline
[14:34] <OrokuSaki> sweet!
[14:34] <ogra_> it is read from there
[14:34] <OrokuSaki> thanks!
[14:34] <asac> ogra_: any idea what might have changed uinput to 666?
[14:34] <ogra_> no idea if that would make click packages work thouogh
[14:35] <OrokuSaki> gotta go to work be back on soon... =(
[14:35] <ogra_> asac, nope, let me reboot and see if it is 660 again
[14:35] <asac> /usr/bin/phablet-test-run:    exec_with_adb chmod 666 /dev/uinput
[14:35] <asac> :)
[14:35] <asac> ogra_: that explains it :)
[14:35] <ogra_> yeah
[14:35] <asac> i guess we should just add phablet to autopilot group
[14:35] <asac> instead
[14:35] <asac> in phablet-test-run
[14:35] <ogra_> no
[14:35] <asac> no?
[14:35] <asac> why not? feels more reasonable then doing 666 :)
[14:36] <asac> just during test-run
[14:36] <ogra_> we should have a working logind session and use udev/acl and polkit
[14:36] <ogra_> like we do everywhere else
[14:36] <asac> feels like a more long term thing to do that right
[14:36] <ogra_> but that again waits for lightdm
[14:36] <asac> in the meantime we should at least be using the group
[14:36] <asac> then replace with whatever is done right
[14:37] <ogra_> asac, right, i would do that if we would release in october next year :)
[14:37] <asac> ok lets put it on roadmap then and do the better thing short term :)
[14:37] <ogra_> hack we add at this point of the cycle are unlikely to be replaced by release
[14:37] <ogra_> we are at a point where we need to start replacing the hacks not adding more
[14:42] <ashvani> Hi
[14:42] <ashvani> Hi
[14:42] <ashvani> I want some help
[14:42] <ashvani> for ubantu mobile
[14:43] <ogra_>     # Add each sudo user to the autopilot group
[14:43] <ogra_>     for u in $(getent group sudo | sed -e "s/^.*://" -e "s/,/ /g"); do
[14:43] <ogra_>         adduser --quiet "$u" "$AUTOPILOT_GROUP" > /dev/null || true
[14:43] <ogra_>     done
[14:43] <ogra_> WOAH
[14:43] <ogra_> asac, /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-autopilot.postinst
[14:44] <ashvani> hello
[14:44] <ogra_> seems what you want already happens in a seriously evil way
[14:44] <ashvani> any body is there
[14:44] <lool> mfisch: pong
[14:44] <ashvani> what
[14:44] <ashvani> ?
[14:44] <mfisch> lool: it looks like ibus is dropping in it's own dconf profile and system-db into /etc/dconf
[14:44] <ashvani> I want to test ubantu on mobile
[14:44] <asac> ogra_: hmm
[14:44] <ashvani> can u help me in installing
[14:44] <asac> ogra_: adduser?
[14:45] <ashvani> where
[14:45] <asac> getent group sudo
[14:45] <asac> sudo:x:27:
[14:45] <asac> ogra_: its empty here :)
[14:45] <ogra_> asac, all sudo users get added
[14:45] <asac> no phablet in it
[14:45] <asac> so thats not working :)
[14:45] <asac> cough
[14:45] <lool> mfisch: yup, had seen this and read it as a sample profile
[14:45] <ogra_> wow
[14:45] <asac> ogra_: pahblet is not in sudo
[14:45] <asac> because its done different in sudoers i am sure :)
[14:46] <asac> admin
[14:46] <lool> mfisch: Perhaps we can work out why it needs it and patch it not to need one
[14:46] <ogra_> asac, ARGH
[14:46] <asac>  getent group admin
[14:46] <asac> admin:x:32012:phablet
[14:46] <asac> ogra_: thats it
[14:46] <ogra_> asac, thats totally wrong
[14:46] <asac> hehe
[14:46] <mfisch> lool: I'll look into that today
[14:46] <asac> ogra_: so lets summarize what we want :)
[14:46] <lool> mfisch: Alternatively, if it's only used for ibus specific settings, we could defer until we need to handle them and if we do use an ibus specific DB
[14:46] <ogra_> sergiusens, any idea why we add phablet to the admin group ?
[14:46] <asac> ogra_: we want to make phablet a member of sudo ?
[14:46] <ogra_> yes
[14:46] <sergiusens> ogra_: no
[14:46] <asac> ogra_: not admin?
[14:46] <mfisch> lool: the 2nd DB is okay, as long as it's in a profile
[14:47] <ogra_> the admin group is dead since pre-lucid
[14:47] <lool> mfisch: it's more problematic if there are cases of general purposes settings read by ibus or if ibus ends up launching other general purpose processes, but I doubt that
[14:47] <mfisch> lool: I dont know much about ibus, does it run as a system process?
[14:47] <asac> ogra_: sergiusens: where is the code setting that up?
[14:47] <asac> cdimage?
[14:47] <lool> mfisch: No, I think it's in the session when you turn on accessibility
[14:47] <ogra_> livecd-rootfs
[14:47] <asac> ogra_: ok can you please ensure this fix lands and then we can remove all 666 hacks :)
[14:47] <asac> ?
[14:48] <lool> mfisch: I think it's always a separate process with IPC with the clients (contrarily to fcntx which is in the same process as the app by default)
[14:50] <lool> asac: oh wow, the list in https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=saucy has shrunk quite a bit
[14:51] <asac> lool: still > zero?
[14:51] <asac> :)
[14:51] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6028929/
[14:51] <lool> asac: some demo stuff, some stuff blocked by dependencies being there, some indicators still, and some stuff I dont know why it's blocked there
[14:51] <asac> ogra_: looks good... wonder what else might be hookd to admin :)
[14:52] <lool> tedg: Can we drop chewie from https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=saucy now?
[14:52] <ogra_> asac, nothing since lucid
[14:52] <asac> ogra_: i mean in the phablet context. maybe we have more stuff using it...
[14:52] <ogra_> asac, we dont use that group anymore since then
[14:52] <ogra_> we'll see ... would be a bug if we did
[14:52] <asac> ogra_: ok... so lets give it a try i guess
[14:52] <asac> any way we can test/protect us?
[14:53] <asac> lool: so phone-app is from my undersatnding obsolete
[14:53] <asac> e.g. replaced by individual apps
[14:54] <asac> ogra_: can this fix make the second build of today?
[14:54] <asac> :)
[14:54] <asac> or too risky?
[14:55] <ogra_> it will
[14:55] <ogra_> ... uploaded ...
[14:55] <ogra_> not to risky ... if there are other admin related hacks we need to identify them anyway
[14:56] <seb128> asac, the phone-app is deprecated but the new splitted apps are not ready in the archive yet
[14:57] <tedg> lool, I believe so.
[14:57] <tedg> lool, I think we can clear indicator-battery, -time, etc. as well
[14:57] <asac> seb128: ok.
[14:57] <asac> thats what i thought
[14:57] <ogra_> thats why we still have the PPA
[14:57] <tedg> lool, That indicator-client is really old as well
[14:57] <asac> ogra_: awesome... lets sit tight :)
[14:57] <ogra_> ogra@chromebook:~/branches/livecd-rootfs-2.177$ grep ^admin: /etc/group
[14:57] <ogra_> ogra@chromebook:~/branches/livecd-rootfs-2.177$
[14:58] <ogra_> just FYI ...
[14:58] <ogra_> thats raring
[14:58] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~$  grep ^admin: /etc/group
[14:58] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~$
[14:58] <ogra_> and precise
[14:59] <lool> tedg: Are you 100% sure I can remove these from the PPA?  Not listed in the images anymore?  if so, I'd do that like now
[14:59] <asac> sergiusens: ogra_: https://code.launchpad.net/~asac/phablet-tools/remove-chmod666-uinput-hack/+merge/182121
[15:00] <asac> lool: maybe we can copy to a "backup" paa?
[15:00] <asac> and then delete and see if someone complains :)?
[15:00] <lool> asac: Good idea, I was wondering how to keep a backup of them
[15:00] <lool> but copying to another PPA is good idea
[15:01] <asac> lool: yeah just check that its also devirtualized
[15:01] <asac> :/
[15:01] <sergiusens> asac: lool ... I'm deleting them, they are not pulled in
[15:01] <asac> ok
[15:01] <lool> sergiusens: thanks
[15:01] <asac> if you know that they are officially dead thats bgetter even
[15:01] <lool> sergiusens: I was about to ping you with a list
[15:01] <sergiusens> asac: lool you can always just copy them back in fromt he deleted state
[15:01] <lool> sergiusens: only for a limited amount of time
[15:01] <lool> like 3 months or so
[15:01] <asac> not 100% sure about that statement, but sounds familiar :)
[15:01] <lool> no backup is kept afterwards
[15:02] <asac> lool: if we dont notice in 3 month its valid that we have to redo :)
[15:02] <lool> like, complete librarian removal
[15:02] <lool> asac: lol fair enough
[15:02] <sergiusens> lool: well if it's not fixed in 3 months, that's a bigger problem :)
[15:02] <lool> it's just that it's not like a true Vcs if you see what I mean
[15:02] <asac> yeah
[15:02] <tedg> lool, I haven't verified on an image, do you know where I can get a pkg list.
[15:02] <asac> i think if it was in the real archive
[15:02] <lool> there wont be a "but where was this demo-assets package?" option
[15:02] <asac> we would keep it longer
[15:02] <lool> tedg: cdimage, look for manifest file
[15:02] <lool> tedg: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/pending/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.manifest
[15:03] <lool> tedg: but that's binary not source packages
[15:03] <lool> tedg: can we dro pchewie too?  we seem to be hours away of switching to indicator-network IIUC
[15:04] <tedg> lool, So thostr is going to flash his phone and verify all the indicators are on it.
[15:04] <lool> sergiusens: so things that seem dropable but didn't check whether they are referenced in the build / are shipped in the image from the PPA: demo-assets, indicator-battery, indicator-time, indicators-client, webapps-demo
[15:05] <lool> tedg: I see indicator-network is in it
[15:05] <lool> and chewie isn't
[15:05] <lool> sergiusens: so you can add chewie to that list it seems
[15:05] <tedg> lool, Cool, what about datetime and power?
[15:05] <lool> tedg: I see there is no indicator-* package in the image with a *phablet* version
[15:06] <lool> tedg: So I guess we can drop all
[15:06] <lool> sergiusens: webapps-demo is still in the image
[15:06] <lool> sergiusens: as well as demo-assets-*
[15:06] <lool> so these need some image config patch I guess
[15:07] <lool> asac: after this, the list is fairly short
[15:07] <asac> yeah... will push reload in 10 minutes and hope for a blank screen :)
[15:07] <lool> Things I don't know about: libqtfolks, qt-gstreamer, qtjsondb, unity-lens-mock
[15:08] <lool> phone-app is being worked on
[15:08] <lool> unity-session will be superseded by lightdm I guess
[15:08] <lool> and not sure who is landing ubuntu-gps-service + ubuntu-qtlocation-plugin but these seem related
[15:09] <mfisch> ogra_: thanks for landing that package. ssweeny said it's not in today's image though, do you know why?
[15:09] <lool> tvoss__: sorry to ping, but would you know what is needed to land ubuntu-gps-service + ubuntu-qtlocation-plugin in archive?  and/or who is usually looking at this?
[15:09] <tvoss__> lool, that's deprecated, all of the location is already landed
[15:09] <ogra_> mfisch, hmm, no, i actually didnt check, it theoretically should be there
[15:09] <mfisch> ssweeny: you flashed this morning?
[15:10] <mfisch> I'm on a slow connection, trying to pull it
[15:10] <ssweeny> mfisch, yeah about an hour ago
[15:10] <mfisch> -> relo, back in 3 min
[15:10] <lool> mfisch: I see LP project got renamed
[15:11] <lool> mfisch: Would you bump changelog to 0.2 and list copyright and dh changes there, happy to sponsor the cleanups
[15:11] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# dpkg -l |grep customization
[15:11] <ogra_> ii  ubuntu-touch-customization-hooks                      0.1                                         all          Enables customization of images
[15:11] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# cat /var/log/installer/media-info
[15:11] <ogra_> Ubuntu Saucy Salamander (development branch) - armhf (20130826)
[15:11] <ogra_> mfisch, ssweeny ^^^
[15:12] <lool> mfisch: I see the package in the manifest too
[15:12] <lool> ssweeny: ^
[15:15] <tedg> ogra_, A couple things were missing :-)  https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/ubuntu-seeds/bluetooth-dispatcher/+merge/182127
[15:16] <tedg> I hear this bluetooth thing is catching on.
[15:16] <tedg> :-)
[15:16] <lool> sergiusens: copied chewie and indicator* to a new PPA of mine to back source + binaries
[15:16] <ssweeny> ogra_, lool, which image are you looking at? i ran phablet-flash ubuntu-system about an hour ago and i don't have that package
[15:17] <lool> removed: chewie 0.2.10 in saucy indicator-battery 13.10.0phablet1 in saucy indicator-time 12.10.6phablet1bzr8raring0 in saucy indicators-client 0.31+13.10.20130703-0ubuntu1 in saucy
[15:17] <lool> ssweeny: Ah
[15:17] <lool> ssweeny: We're looking at the latest build, but it has not been promoted to current yet because it's considered too buggy
[15:18] <lool> ssweeny: there is probably a phablet-flash flag to get it, or you could apt-get update to get it
[15:18] <ssweeny> lool, ok, thanks
[15:18] <lool> ssweeny: you can just check the manifest URL I pasted here
[15:18] <lool> ssweeny: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/pending/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.manifest
[15:19] <lool> sergiusens: Would you want to remove demo-assets and webapps-demo?  Or should I send a mp for this?  haven't done this in a while, would be good for me I guess  :-)
[15:19] <ogra_> tedg, thats a myth ... it still has to prove its usefullness :P
[15:19] <ogra_> tedg, merging fter the call i'm in
[15:20] <tedg> ogra_, Oh, I'm not sure it *could* prove it's worth ;-)
[15:20] <tedg> ogra_, How about we just settle on it being a user requirement ;-)
[15:21] <mfisch> lool: (I think this message didn't get through befoer) okay so the ibus stuff should just be system defaults, they're not locked. We can work around this
[15:21] <ogra_> tedg, heh, well, lets at least try it, probably users find it useful :)
[15:22] <lool> kgunn: Would you know about whether unity-lens-mock should/can go in archive or what's holding it out of it?
[15:22] <lool> kgunn: trying to get the last bits out of the phablet-team/phablet PPA
[15:24] <ogra_> rsalveti, sergiusens, i would like to go through all the groups we fiddle with after feature freeze and rip them out of the build system where possible... and i.e. ship the android related group setup with lxc-android-config's postinst etc
[15:25] <rsalveti> ogra_: right, that would be good indeed
[15:25] <kgunn> lool: one sec
[15:25] <ogra_> just a heads up
[15:28] <lool> so awkward, sorting branches by date doesn't work for me; some kind of stupid .js bug shows me branches from august in the middle with july at the top of june at the bottom, sigh
[15:29] <ogra_> some chinese calendar as abase ?
[15:29] <lool> ogra_: maya I'm sure
[15:29] <ogra_> heh
[15:29] <lool> ogra_: hey when adding/removing packages, do you do this in just lp:touch-preview-images/ubuntu-build-phablet-saucy or also in the pulseaudio build?
[15:30] <ogra_> lool, i dont touch any "touch-preview" branches anywhere
[15:30] <ogra_> lool, we have a proper seed for the normal images
[15:31] <ogra_> which we use
[15:31] <lool> ogra_: Oh really
[15:31] <ogra_> lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.saucy
[15:31] <ogra_> and ubuntu-touch-meta alongside
[15:31] <lool> I remember creating a sdk seed there, but then some other day realized some stuff wasn't in it
[15:31] <ogra_> well thats our master seed nowadays
[15:31] <paulliu> lool: Sorry, just saw you ask if it is possible to package the mock lens to the archive. But it is for demo only I think. We're going to use the real lens rather than mock-up. So to me I don't think we need to spend the time to do the packaging.
[15:32] <lool> ogra_ sergiusens : so in lp:touch-preview-images/ubuntu-build-phablet-saucy I've found http://paste.ubuntu.com/6029056/ to remove, does this make sense?
[15:32] <lool> paulliu: ah it's just for demo purposes, not auto testing
[15:32] <lool> kgunn: ^
[15:32] <ogra_> lool, might or might not, ask someone who actually uses the jenkins images :)
[15:32] <ogra_> i guess it would surely make them smaller :)
[15:32] <lool> ogra_: that's Ricardo S and Sergio?
[15:33] <ogra_> sergio
[15:33] <lool> I've mass-pinged Sergio already, poor sergiusens
[15:33] <paulliu> lool: BTW, even now we still have the mock-up code inside the unity8. So there's corresponding auto-test code for that mock-up.
[15:34] <paulliu> lool: But will be remove when we moved to the REAL one.
[15:35] <lool> ogra_: do touch seed updates go through the merge review process?
[15:36] <ogra_> nah
[15:36] <ogra_> they have to be made by a core-dev
[15:36] <ogra_> well, people send MPs
[15:36] <lool> Hmm couldn't find where ubuntu-lens-mock is pulled in the image
[15:36] <ogra_> but the changes often enough just happen without them
[15:39] <lool> sergiusens, rsalveti: https://code.launchpad.net/~lool/ubuntu-seeds/drop-demo-packages-from-touch-seed/+merge/182137 part 1/2
[15:40] <ogra_> lool, hmm, i would leave the videos in place for a little longer
[15:41] <ogra_> they serve well for testing multimedia stuff
[15:41] <ogra_> if you test manually
[15:42] <ogra_> asac missed to fill the MP form properly once again :P
[15:44] <lool> sergiusens, rsalveti: part 2/2 https://code.launchpad.net/~lool/touch-preview-images/drop-demo-packages-from-touch-images/+merge/182140
[15:44] <lool> part 2 should probably go in first, but dont think I can have inter-project mp dependencies
[15:44] <lool> ogra_: I dont know
[15:44] <lool> ogra_: how about we include a "add-download-assets" command to all images?
[15:45] <lool> ogra_: rather than including them as .deb and copying them in ~ -- seems like a waste anyway
[15:45] <lool> paulliu: Would you know how the mock gets pulled in the image?
[15:45] <lool> paulliu: I see it in the manifest, but couldn't find it in seeds or in image config
[15:46] <asac> ogra_: what happened?
[15:46] <ogra_> asac, you forgot to add a commit message
[15:46] <asac> if its not as easy as it was, its a bug :)
[15:46] <asac> ogra_: just copy it from the single commit :)
[15:46] <ogra_> so the auto-build test fails
[15:46] <asac> that is in
[15:46] <asac> really?
[15:46] <asac> ok
[15:46] <asac> let me update
[15:47] <popey> hmm
[15:47] <popey> 20130826
[15:47] <popey> PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S  %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND            847 phablet   20   0  354m 136m  62m S  59.5  7.3  29:40.94 unity8
[15:47] <asac> ogra_: resubmitted with commit message
[15:47] <popey> unity8 eating my phone
[15:47] <ogra_> great
[15:47] <asac> popey: mako?
[15:48] <popey> ya
[15:48] <ogra_> popey, thats because you never feed it on the weekend
[15:48] <popey> it starved!
[15:48] <ogra_> yeah
[15:48] <ogra_> poor thing
[15:48]  * popey shoves mashed up banana in the usb port
[15:48] <asac> bfiller: hi
[15:48] <asac> bfiller: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3759/phone-app-autopilot/
[15:49] <asac> bfiller: system seems to be quiet before and after
[15:49] <nerochiaro> bfiller: do you know who is in charge of reviews on mediaplayer these days ?
[15:49] <asac> plars: rfowler: where do we stand wrt fixing the ping test?
[15:49] <asac> i think thats still related to WAP roll out
[15:49] <bfiller> asac: will look
[15:49] <paulliu> lool: I need to look it a bit. But basically they are just in PPA and should be installed by some dependencies.
[15:50] <bfiller> nerochiaro: while renato is out probably gusch
[15:50] <plars> asac: last I heard we are waiting on IS to get access to the wap. If it can be fixed before the second daily image, then I'll leave the test as-is. Otherwise I'll change the test so that we don't get a false failure there
[15:51] <asac> rfowler: did you manage to catch sciri?
[15:52] <asac> cjohnston: you think we can move the manta and grouper results to a separate tab?
[15:52] <rfowler> asac: not yet
[15:52] <asac> cjohnston: is that easy/hard?
[15:54] <ogra_> asac, if we can have touch_ro we should be able to have touch_phone and touch_tablet
[15:54] <rsalveti> lool: conflict in https://code.launchpad.net/~lool/ubuntu-seeds/drop-demo-packages-from-touch-seed/+merge/182137
[15:55] <rsalveti> ogra_: lool: what will happen with the test cases if the demo contents are not available?
[15:56] <ogra_> i think the tests install their own files
[15:56] <ogra_> but the assets are important for quickly checking core functions manually
[15:56] <ogra_> i would keep the videos until beta time
[15:57] <ogra_> not sure what the webapps actually ship
[15:57] <asac> ogra_: rsalveti: ueventd is fixed right?
[15:57] <cjohnston> asac: we could do that. it wouldn't be as clean (code wise) as it was to seperate touch/touch_ro/desktop etc..
[15:57] <cjohnston> asac: doing it by individual device would be easier/cleanerr
[15:57] <ogra_> but if it makes us lose facebook and gmail i'd keep them too
[15:57] <ogra_> asac, yes
[15:57] <cjohnston> but I suspect you do want the phone/tablet views
[15:57] <ogra_> asac, (still missign the upstart part, but it shouldnt hang anymore)
[15:58] <asac> cjohnston: how about a third level: "Targets" with "Primary Targets" by default and "Secondary Targets" hidden?
[15:59] <cjohnston> asac: with this page only being available from the touch or touch_ro views? i.e. you don't see the link to primary/secondary when you go to http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/ but you do see it when you go to http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/touch/
[16:04] <asac> cjohnston: hmm. not sure. thought more about always hiding it unless you select it at third level
[16:05] <asac> kind of "show all" "show primary only"
[16:05] <rickspencer3> so, I hit Time & Date settings ...
[16:05] <rickspencer3> in the Date and Time indicator
[16:05] <rickspencer3> and a settings dialog showed up like 20 minutes later :)
[16:06] <ogra_> yay, so it didnt forget about you
[16:06] <cjohnston> asac: I'll see what I can come up with and get you to look at it
[16:06] <ogra_> how nice !
[16:06] <rickspencer3> it must have been off visiting friends
[16:06] <ogra_> yeah, just wait until its friends move in at your house
[16:06] <rickspencer3> ogra_, I noticed my phone stopped going into that deep coma mode
[16:06] <rickspencer3> which is super nice
[16:07] <ogra_> we didnt do anything to change that
[16:07] <rickspencer3> I guess someone fixed something :)
[16:07] <rsalveti> the video one seems useful still, as you said
[16:07] <ogra_> must be a coincidence of some other fix
[16:07] <rsalveti> but we also don't want to get packages from the ppa
[16:07] <rsalveti> but iirc there was an option in phablet-flash to install the demo contents, let me see if it's still available
[16:07] <rsalveti> yeah, phablet-demo-setup, might need to be updated though
[16:07] <rsalveti> def provision_device(serial, script):
[16:07] <rsalveti>     script_dst = '/data/ubuntu/tmp/provision'
[16:07] <rsalveti> would also need to enable the ppa, as we plan to remove it from the build as well
[16:07] <rsalveti> lool: mind updating the phablet-demo-setup tool to be able to do that?
[16:07] <rsalveti> before dropping the demo packages completely
[16:07] <rsalveti> as that's useful for people doing demos
[16:07] <rsalveti> sergiusens: happroved https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/backup/+merge/181928
[16:07] <rsalveti> sorry, pasting messages again as it seems I got disconnected
[16:08] <rsalveti> brb, lunch
[16:09] <sergiusens> rsalveti: phablet-demo-tools is useless in a readonly world though
[16:09] <rsalveti> sergiusens: argh
[16:09] <sergiusens> rsalveti: we need the mock preinstalled or for it to be official
[16:10] <rsalveti> right
[16:10] <rsalveti> brb
[16:12] <ogra_> sergiusens, its only content, no ? cant that be a click package ?
[16:13] <sergiusens> ogra_: well depends... there are two mock lens
[16:13] <sergiusens> ogra_: rest is content and can be easily set
[16:13] <sergiusens> ogra_: doesn't even have to be packaged
[16:16] <ogra_> well, to make it easily installable
[16:17] <ogra_> might be a good case to demo "content-only" click packages :)
[16:22] <sergiusens> ogra_: sure, it does raise a couple of questions though
[16:23] <ogra_> well, people will want to ship click packages with content ...
[16:23] <ogra_> fart sounds galore etc :)
[16:24] <ogra_> ebooks ... videos ... ringtones, wallpapers etc
[16:24] <sergiusens> ogra_: yup, we will for sure need some click hooks to make those easily avail
[16:26] <lool> rsalveti: albeit not reflect in diff yet, I've updated https://code.launchpad.net/~lool/ubuntu-seeds/drop-demo-packages-from-touch-seed/+merge/182137 to fix the conflict (damn ogra_!  :-)
[16:27] <ogra_> lool, heh, the request from ted was a few lines before you asked about the seeds
[16:27] <lool> :-P
[16:27] <crypticmofo> this channel is alive
[16:27] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: ogra_: sergiusens: lool: so do we all agree to remove the demo content for now?
[16:27] <crypticmofo> is this the best time normally everyday ?
[16:27] <lool> crypticmofo: or the worst, depend how you look at it
[16:28] <ogra_> crypticmofo, the time where EU and US workj hours overlap is usually the bext
[16:28] <lool> rsalveti: I agree we should fix the command to provision it, just not sure I can hack it as quickly as the removal  :)
[16:28] <ogra_> or the worst as lool says :)
[16:28] <rsalveti> lool: that would need a larger change, not something we can do right now
[16:28] <sergiusens> lool: I can take care of that, but not today... and not sure how to deal with the lack of lens
[16:29] <sergiusens> demo lens that is
[16:29] <ogra_> rsalveti, lool, as i said above, i would think it is a good idea to have them repackaed as click
[16:29] <rsalveti> would the lack of demo contents affect the video lens?
[16:29] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah, I'm +1 on that
[16:29] <lool> rsalveti, sergiusens: Quick and dirty solution: move demo packages to a special PPA, create a script that remounts rw, adds the PPA and apt-get installs them?
[16:30] <sergiusens> lool: that special ppa can be the current location, right?
[16:30] <sergiusens> +1
[16:30] <rsalveti> can't we just move to click package instead?
[16:30] <ogra_> especially for being able to test content-only click packages alongside :)
[16:30] <lool> sergiusens: Demo lens: sounds like a perfect use case for the customization stuff
[16:30] <lool> mfisch: ^
[16:30] <crypticmofo> can i get the mailing list for ubuntu-touch ?
[16:30] <sergiusens> lool: +1
[16:30] <sergiusens> rsalveti: we can do click as long as we can customize the lens
[16:31] <ogra_> sergiusens, i would like to get rid of all PPAs by end of the week ... or latest this month
[16:31] <sergiusens> rsalveti: video would use the default lens as in desktop
[16:31] <mfisch> crypticmofo: just subscribe
[16:31] <lool> rsalveti: clicks for lenses and scopes aren't close IMO
[16:31] <rsalveti> sigh
[16:31] <sergiusens> ogra_: getting rid of the PPA or the PPA in livecd-rootfs (which is okk)
[16:31] <ogra_> well, scratch that last nit ... end of the week :)
[16:31] <mfisch> crypticmofo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Contribute#Where_to_discuss
[16:31] <lool> rsalveti: it's not a click issue, it's that we'd need a whole security architecture design for unity
[16:31] <crypticmofo> mfisch https://login.launchpad.net/dSxNv7hKhLTH2pq8/+decide ?
[16:31] <sergiusens> doanac`: what's the status of testing through the click packages?
[16:31] <rsalveti> right, then having a script as you said might be enough for now
[16:31] <ogra_> sergiusens, any PPAs we have in the default install
[16:32] <sergiusens> ogra_: I'm +1 on that
[16:32] <rsalveti> at least with that I'm happy with it removed from seeds
[16:32] <mfisch> crypticmofo: I can't see that URL, thats private to you
[16:32] <sergiusens> ogra_: just don't delete the PPA :-)
[16:32] <lool> is there a package which ships scripts that go in the image?
[16:32] <ogra_> sergiusens, which also means switching all core apps to click
[16:32] <lool> (can one have custom scopes in ~/ ?)
[16:32] <sergiusens> ogra_: hence my question for doanac` :-)
[16:33] <mfisch> lool: we plan on dropping custom scopes in /custom, I'm still trying to get dbus to find them
[16:33] <lool> mfisch: yeah; the question was around supporting folks doing demo
[16:33] <ogra_> lool, only context driven ... all android bits are in lxc-android-config ... we dont really have a separate setting/scripts/hacks package
[16:33] <mfisch> ogra_: I can confirm that after flashing "current" the package isn't there
[16:33] <lool> mfisch: you're working on this set of images with customizations, would you have a public one that people can use for demos?
[16:34] <lool> mfisch: if not, perhaps we should think of one
[16:34] <ogra_> there are some customization scripts in livecd-rootfs that i would like to get rid of by release
[16:34] <ogra_> mfisch, current is from last thursday
[16:34] <ogra_> mfisch, indeed it isnt there :)
[16:34] <mfisch> lool: we plan on having several customized images
[16:34] <ogra_> use pending
[16:34] <lool> mfisch: it's in pending not current
[16:34] <lool> mfisch: current is the image from the 22nd
[16:34] <mfisch> ogra_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/ -> current = 08/26?
[16:35] <mfisch> ogra_: whatever you guys say in europe 26/08? Aug 26 anyway
[16:35] <crypticmofo> does anyone use ubuntu-touch as a daily driver ?
[16:35] <ogra_> current is the last image that successfully passed all image tests
[16:35] <ogra_> pending is the last image that was built
[16:35] <lool> mfisch: nah, load the /current directory and you'll see the timestamps are from 22
[16:35] <mfisch> d'oh
[16:35] <mfisch> ssweeny: there's your reason ^
[16:35] <bfiller> boiko: which package install the icons used in the dash for messaging-app and address-book-app?
[16:36] <bfiller> don't see them installed by the actual package
[16:36] <ssweeny> mfisch, yeah we went over that this morning. that the current images don't have the new bits
[16:36] <mfisch> lool: but we plan on having several images, I think one could be public.
[16:36] <ogra_> mfisch, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6029274/ ... i use that script locally as "get-touch-image-ver" ... with either the -c or -p switch
[16:36] <mfisch> ogra_: thanks
[16:37] <mfisch> FYI, I plan that everything will work by the time I'm back from vacation
[16:37] <mfisch> so stay busy
[16:37] <lool> mfisch: that would be good
[16:37] <lool> mfisch: cause IMO you'll want the demo assets in your demo images
[16:37] <ogra_> how many months did you take ?
[16:38] <mfisch> ogra_: lol, I wish I got Euro-vacation months
[16:38] <mfisch> ogra_: maybe I'll buy a lottery ticket too, then you can have a couple years
[16:38] <ogra_> haha
[16:38] <crypticmofo> do any of you actually work for chanocial ?
[16:39] <mfisch> crypticmofo: yes, some of us do
[16:39] <crypticmofo> nice
[16:41] <boiko> bfiller: ubuntu-mobile-icons
[16:41] <bfiller> boiko: thanks
[16:55] <doanac`> sergiusens: i'm waiting on an update from thomi. i think if we have his autopilot branch, things should be able to be updated pretty quickly
[16:56] <doanac`> i wanted to try his branch + a change i'd make to the dropping-letters app to validate
[16:56] <sergiusens> doanac`: ack
[16:57] <doanac`> sergiusens: we've been carrying around some internal logic to wait for an active network connection on touch images. would you be willing to accept some type of new phablet-network-wait command in phablet-tools?
[16:57] <doanac`> would be one step closer to consolidation
[16:59] <sergiusens> doanac`: what would that be for? Can't you just embed it into network setup?
[17:01] <doanac`> sergiusens: that's specific to setting up ssh and stuff isn't it?
[17:02] <doanac`> in this case, i'm assuming network is setup, but we might need to wait for it. say after a reboot
[17:03] <sergiusens> doanac`: well, we will be removing the ssh setup eventually... it really is to make sure we have networking
[17:03] <richard5443534> does anyone know. if i install ubuntu touch on my nexus 4, will i be able to upgrade to future more complete versions through the phone without a reformat?
[17:04] <doanac`> sergiusens: so the phablet-network-setup command might be better named phablet-network. then you could do a --setup or a --wait option?
[17:05] <sergiusens> doanac`: sounds good, let's just get all the folk on board
[17:05] <sergiusens> doanac`: as in fginther and om26er
[17:06] <doanac`> sergiusens: you think zoltan would want to be involved. I got the impression he was a fan of the SSH option
[17:08] <om26er> doanac`, sounds good to me
[17:09] <bfiller> ogra_: packaging question. new telephony-service conflicts with phone-app. Do I add Provides, Conflicts and Replaces phone-app to the telephony-service debian/control to make updates work correctly?
[17:11] <richard5443534> anyone???
[17:12] <bfiller> richard5443534: what do you mean by reformat? you'll be able to upgrade without losing any user data if that is the question
[17:13] <richard5443534> bfiller: i think i meant reflashing the phone. so the updating is on the phone itself? i dont really want to have to plug it in my computer etc
[17:13] <ogra_> bfiller, you dont need provides ... we'll change the seeds accordingly (unless there are apps that woould still depend on phone-app afterwards), conflicts/break/replaces are fine
[17:15] <bfiller> richard5443534: you will need to plug it into your computer for some updates. other can be done directly on the phone using the terminal app
[17:15] <bfiller> richard5443534: some updates require reflash
[17:16] <bfiller> and soonish everything will be done from the phone once the final image upgrade stuff is in place
[17:16] <richard5443534> bfiller: ah, does reflash remove contacts, photos, etc?
[17:16] <ogra_> no
[17:16] <bfiller> richard5443534: nope, it preserves it if you use the phablet-flash tool
[17:16] <ogra_> it keeps yuor user data
[17:16] <richard5443534> cool, i might give it a go then, thanks
[17:17] <bfiller> ogra_: got it on the packaging. are all three conflicts/breaks/replaces necessary? haven't used breaks before
[17:18] <ogra_> conflicts and replaces should suffice
[17:20] <bfiller> ogra_: thanks
[17:45] <barry> stgraber: ping
[17:45] <stgraber> barry: pong
[17:46] <barry> stgraber: something weird with s-i.u.c/daily/grouper/index.json.  the highest version on the server is 20130833, which is also the version my device is at, so we're not seeing any updates
[17:47] <stgraber> barry: nothing weird, no image has been marked as good since 20130833
[17:48] <stgraber> barry: the daily channel now only publishes tested images
[17:48] <barry> stgraber: ah, okay.  nm then!
[17:48] <stgraber> barry: I should have the daily-proposed channel online in the next hour or so, running a few more tests to make sure I didn't mess it up
[17:49] <barry> stgraber: cool.  i am working on LP: #1214009 today
[17:52] <Virgil> Hallo everybody, i have a little problem. I installed Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 10, but there is boot loop after rebooting to Ubuntu and adb cannot find my device.
[17:53] <Virgil> Recovery mode has ubuntu logo (Android is gone). Can someone help my to solve my problem?
[17:54] <cjohnston> stgraber: what is going to determine if the image is good or not? is it the automated testing or some testing you will run or?
[17:54] <stgraber> cjohnston: same flag as for current flipped images
[17:55] <cjohnston> I'm not familiar with that one either.
[17:55] <cjohnston> But works for me
[17:55] <stgraber> I don't really know what the process is for that one, all I know is that it'll trigger my stuff too :)
[17:56] <ogra_> stgraber, the process is to run 260 tests on them
[17:56] <salem_> Kaleo, ping
[17:56] <ogra_> once a human checked the test results there is a manual trigger to switch from pending to current
[17:57] <ogra_> stgraber, the 260 tests all have to be ported before we can do that wiht system images i guess
[17:57] <ogra_> not sure how much of them would just work
[18:03] <cjohnston> ogra_: are these the tests that appear on reports.qa.ubuntu.com?
[18:10] <ogra_> cjohnston, yeah
[18:10] <cjohnston> ogra_: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/touch_ro/ is the same tests run on system-images
[18:12] <richard5443534> phablet-flash (cdimage-touch|cdimage-legacy|ubuntu-system|community) -b
[18:12] <richard5443534> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `cdimage-touch'
[18:13] <cjohnston> richard5443534: you need to pick one of them
[18:13] <richard5443534> ah, which?
[18:13] <cjohnston> ogra_: we are in the process of fixing the things that break because of the system image
[18:13] <cjohnston> richard5443534: depends on what your trying to do
[18:13] <richard5443534> cjohnston: just wiped my nexus4, putting ubuntu touch on first time
[18:14] <cjohnston> richard5443534: you would probably want cdimage-touch then
[18:14] <richard5443534> kk
[18:17] <cjohnston> ogra_: the biggest problem so far seems to be just the way that storage is done, we can't save log type files like we did with the flipped images
[18:30] <richard5443534> just installed, what is "no data sources available" on the start screen saying to me?
[18:39] <mterry> om26er, hello!  I'm looking at using phone-app as a plugin in the shell greeter.   Any hints?  There is a qmlplugin, but it looks like that is for the non-UI stuff.  For the UI, I'll have to import some bits of the phone-app qml myself, eh?
[18:40] <om26er> mterry, I think thats a question for boiko :)
[18:40] <mterry> om26er, ok, saw your name in bzr log  :)
[18:40] <richard5443534> hmm nothing works, back to android i go
[18:41] <om26er> mterry, I do the QA stuff, though I wish i had better qml skills ;)
[18:41] <boiko> mterry: so, actually phone-app itself is obsolete, we have are in the process of migrating the code in there to have three separate apps (one for dialer, one for messaging and the addressbook)
[18:42] <mterry> boiko, right, I keep hearing that.  But they will still live in the same source tree, eh?
[18:42] <boiko> mterry: nope, the new branches are already in place, should be landing today or tomorrow
[18:43] <nhaines> boiko: are they planned to look the same or are they planned to look different?
[18:44] <boiko> mterry: so, I talked to mzanetti about that a couple weeks ago, we are going to be providing a QML UI, but that hasn't been done yet
[18:45] <mterry> boiko, nothing I can play with/hack yet?
[18:45] <om26er> nhaines, they have different designs, refreshed
[18:47] <boiko> mterry: so, how is that going to work? we will provide the UI in our tree? or will that live in the greeter tree?
[18:48] <mterry> boiko, I had assumed the UI would be provided by phone-app.  You'll need it certainly, so you could just expose it for other modules too
[18:49] <boiko> mterry: right, ok, I will put that in the queue to be done, but right now you would need to get the ui that is in lp:dialer-app and copy it somewhere to be used
[18:51] <mterry> boiko, OK.  Maybe I'll start looking at that, so I could be more ready when it is exposed.
[18:51] <mterry> thanks!
[18:51] <boiko> mterry: ok, and the plugin it uses (Ubuntu.Telephony) lives in lp:telephony-service
[18:51] <mterry> boiko, thanks
[18:58] <crypticmofo> does anyone have a verizon galaxy s3 build of ubuntu-touch with at least wifi working
[18:58] <crypticmofo> i was playing with the demo yesterday and fell back in love
[18:58] <crypticmofo> :P
[19:05] <stgraber> barry, lool: daily-proposed is online, I'll monitor over the next few days to make sure the right thing happens
[19:05] <barry> stgraber: +1
[19:09] <achiang> ogra_: hi
[19:10] <achiang> ogra_: are you in charge of flipping the 'pending' => 'current' bit for touch images?
[19:11] <achiang> pmcgowan: or is that someone else? ^^
[19:11] <pmcgowan> achiang, usually ogra_ yes
[19:11] <pmcgowan> once stuff passes all tests
[19:12] <achiang> pmcgowan: what's an acceptable pass rate? i see currently it's 93.2% passing
[19:12] <lool> stgraber: cool, thanks
[19:13] <pmcgowan> achiang, mako and maguro need to be green, which I think is 95+
[19:14] <achiang> pmcgowan: i see
[19:15] <pmcgowan> achiang, sometimes the environment blows up but it still delays release
[19:36] <achiang> pmcgowan: ok, new question -- my understanding is that cdimage-touch does not have a RO root, whereas ubuntu-system does have an RO root (call it rofs)
[19:36] <achiang> pmcgowan: (when provisioning with phablet-flash, that is)
[19:36] <pmcgowan> correct
[19:37] <achiang> pmcgowan: so question is -- is there a plan to converge those 2 so everyone gets the rofs? or is it by design that we'll have a rwfs and a separate rofs?
[19:37] <pmcgowan> achiang, RO will become default very soon
[19:38] <achiang> pmcgowan: great, thanks
[19:38] <pmcgowan> achiang, there will then be a way to enable "developer mode' if you will
[19:38] <pmcgowan> that allows apt-get again, etc
[19:40] <achiang> pmcgowan: ah, ok
[19:40] <achiang> pmcgowan: "very soon" is like... a week? 2 weeks? a month? (ballpark)
[19:41] <pmcgowan> achiang, week-ish
[19:41] <achiang> pmcgowan: awesome, thanks
[19:41] <pmcgowan> achiang, lots of folks running the RO daily
[19:41] <pmcgowan> ok
[19:44] <rickspencer3> hey, is indicator-network pegging the cpu a known issue?
[19:53] <rickspencer3> pmcgowan, achiang we should call "developer mode" something like "system builder" mode
[19:54] <rickspencer3> since it won't be needed for application developers, iirc
[19:55] <achiang> rickspencer3: +1
[19:55] <pmcgowan> +1
[20:10] <rickspencer3> beuno, ping
[20:10] <beuno> rickspencer3, pong
[20:10] <rickspencer3> hey beuno
[20:10] <beuno> hey hey!
[20:10] <rickspencer3> so, I notice in adb shell running top
[20:11] <rickspencer3> that ubuntu-download is constantly running, take 1-2.5% of the CPU
[20:11] <rickspencer3> thought it may be a side effect of click
[20:11] <rickspencer3> any idea what is going on there?
[20:11] <beuno> rickspencer3, that's the generic download service, so it could be something else plugging into it (maybe the image updater?)
[20:12] <beuno> I don't know what would be going on there
[20:12] <beuno> mandel or barry would know more
[20:12] <rickspencer3> slangasek, stgraber ^ ?
[20:12] <beuno> or ralsina_
[20:12] <rickspencer3> is there a way I can poke at it to see what is using it?
[20:12] <slangasek> hum.  TTBOMK, the image updater is still only triggered from the UI currently
[20:12] <slangasek> stgraber or barry would know more though
[20:13] <beuno> in theory, so is click
[20:13] <beuno> maybe the service itself is misbehaving without help?  :)
[20:13] <slangasek> but if in doubt, dbus-monitor?
[20:13] <ralsina_> rickspencer3: there was a branch mandel was doing to ensure it shuts down when the queue is empty
[20:13] <ralsina_> rickspencer3: not sure if it's in the images yet. \
[20:14] <pmcgowan> ralsina_, but if rickspencer3 is running cdimage version, there are no image updates
[20:15] <beuno> well, if it's not shutting down on its own, maybe it stayed up after installing a click package?
[20:15] <rickspencer3> beuno, I didn't install anything
[20:15] <beuno> ok
[20:15] <beuno> so I'll defer to ralsina_ then
[20:15] <slangasek> the software that *does* the image updates is still included in the image, even if it's not (supposed to be) active
[20:16] <slangasek> so it's not impossible that a bug in that code could be making the downloader itchy
[20:16] <pmcgowan> heh itchy
[20:16] <rickspencer3> slangasek, ca you give me more details about how to check with dbus-monitor? it's complaining that it lacks an x11 display ;)
[20:16] <rickspencer3> if it only knew
[20:17] <slangasek> that part is a non-fatal warning
[20:17] <slangasek> dbus-monitor --system
[20:17] <slangasek> (assuming the downloader service runs as root, not on the user bus?  I haven't looked)
[20:18] <rickspencer3> slangasek, so I just watch it until something asks for the downloader?
[20:19] <slangasek> yeah
[20:19] <slangasek> and if nothing's asking, and the downloader is still spinning, then I guess it's a downloader bug
[20:19] <lool> rickspencer3, beuno, slangasek: Only click-scope uses download service for now
[20:19] <pmcgowan> slangasek, I just had the settings check for updates, and got three processes running and chewing cpu
[20:19] <ralsina_> let me bring mandel here he knows best :-)
[20:19] <lool> slangasek: to trigger image updates, you may also use cli (system-image-cli)
[20:19] <pmcgowan> system-image-db and a couple of RX/TX thread processes
[20:20] <pmcgowan> lool, ^^
[20:20] <rickspencer3> lool, ok, I'll reboot and see if looking at the scope triggers it
[20:20] <lool> that's probably the new code for OS updates
[20:20] <lool> (system-image-db)
[20:20] <pmcgowan> lool, its using a lot of my cpu not doing anything
[20:21] <pmcgowan> I checked for updates then exited settings
[20:21] <lool> barry: ^
[20:21] <rickspencer3> ueventd
[20:21] <lool> pmcgowan: we just landed a new version of the client + UI on end of last week, so you probably got it today and you might be seeing a new bug
[20:21]  * rickspencer3 twiddles thumbs
[20:21] <pmcgowan> lool, its calmed down now, after about a min or two
[20:21] <barry> beuno: it wouldn't be system-image updater as that's not integrated w/ the d/l service yet.
[20:22] <lool> pmcgowan: you tamed it
[20:22] <rickspencer3> ubuntu-dowlnload is already running
[20:22] <slangasek> ueventd storms should evidently be fixed in the latest build?
[20:22] <slangasek> rsalveti: ^^ ?
[20:22] <rickspencer3> slangasek, I didn't use --pending
[20:22]  * slangasek nods
[20:22] <barry> the d/l service doesn't run on the system bus yet, so that's another reason it hasn't been integrated (and we need the group downloads)
[20:23] <barry> system-image-dbus?
[20:23] <lool> barry: two things being discussed above; one is rick seeing ubuntu-download process eating CPU IIUC (which is download service only used by click-scope) and hte other is pmcgowan seeing CPU usage for a little why after exiting system settings
[20:24] <pmcgowan> I am on 0826 image
[20:24] <barry> lool: ah.  don't know about the former, since as i mentioned we haven't integrated that with system-image yet
[20:24] <lool> barry: yeah, I only pinged you about the latter
[20:24] <lool> barry: ralsina pinged mandel about the former
[20:24] <barry> pmcgowan: please try `system-image-cli --version`
[20:25] <pmcgowan> barry, 1.1
[20:26]  * rickspencer3 tries --pending
[20:27] <barry> pmcgowan: okay, that's the latest version.  you're saying it's eating cpu?  or just continuing to run?  it should essentially be idle until it gets a dbus command.  you can take a look at /var/log/system-image/client.log to see if it's Doing Things
[20:27] <pmcgowan> barry, heres what I did
[20:27] <pmcgowan> I opened system settings, updates panel
[20:27] <pmcgowan> it checked for updates
[20:28] <pmcgowan> found one
[20:28] <pmcgowan> then the process started using 30% cpu for a couple mins
[20:28] <pmcgowan> barry, its doing now when I entered that settings panel
[20:28] <pmcgowan> plus the 2 RX TX processes using another 25%
[20:29] <pmcgowan> barry, nothing in that log
[20:29] <barry> pmcgowan: it would make sense to consume cpu while it's downloading and checking the update.
[20:30] <pmcgowan> barry, but I did not ask it to get the update
[20:30] <pmcgowan> did not press the big red download button
[20:30] <barry> pmcgowan: it has to do a bit of work just to find out if there is an update available.  (download some files, do some gpg checks, etc)
[20:30] <pmcgowan> download automatically says never
[20:31] <rsalveti> slangasek: I don't think current got that fix yet
[20:31] <pmcgowan> barry, thats a lot of work its doing
[20:31] <barry> pmcgowan: try editing /etc/system-image/client.ini.  look for [system]loglevel and change that to say 'info' (no quotes).  kill system-image-dbus and try to check for updates again
[20:32] <barry> pmcgowan: if it's not downloading automatically, i wouldn't expect it to do that much work, well, not for more than a couple of minutes depending on your download speed
[20:32] <barry> pmcgowan: how did you update to the latest image?  did you just reflash your device?  apt-get update it?
[20:32] <pmcgowan> barry I have the cdimage flavor, and I flash it
[20:33] <lool> pmcgowan: I'm not on a pristine image, but I ran latest system-image client from OS updates settings, checked for updates, saw a couple of system-image processes near the top of htop output for 2-3 seconds, then they disappeared from htop's listing (by CPU)
[20:33] <barry> pmcgowan: i haven't tested it on the live device yet because no new images have been published.  for now, i'd say, edit the config file as above, kill system-image-dbus and try to re-initiate an upgrade.  watch the log file
[20:34] <lool> ah they appeared shortly when leaving the settings UI, but that seems ok
[20:34] <barry> lool: yeah, that's what i'd expect
[20:35] <pmcgowan> barry, it says its downloading all the files
[20:35] <lool> barry: oh hold on, he says it found an update
[20:35] <slangasek> rsalveti: right, not in 'current' - but landed in 'pending', AIUI?
[20:35] <lool> barry: but that's the old code still
[20:35] <rsalveti> slangasek: yes
[20:35] <barry> lool: 1.1 is the new code, uploaded on friday
[20:35] <pmcgowan> barry, but the downloader isnt running so maybe it lied
[20:36] <lool> barry: but no update was published to daily since friday
[20:36] <barry> lool: hmm.  yeah that is weird.  i tried it this morning and got "no updates available"
[20:36] <lool> pmcgowan: I dont understand why it'd display an update from you
[20:36] <barry> (which confused me until i asked stgraber about it)
[20:36] <pmcgowan> lool, I am not on the system image either
[20:37] <lool> pmcgowan: we haven't published a new image to the system-image.u.c daily channel since the 22nd (date of last promoted pending -> current build)
[20:37] <pmcgowan> on the cdimage-touch
[20:37] <barry> "Congrats! You are already up to date!"
[20:37] <pmcgowan> lool, it must get confused between the two images
[20:37] <lool> barry: I wonder whether the client is confused trying to compute an update from manually installed version to latest version
[20:37] <lool> pmcgowan: exactly
[20:37] <lool> barry: is there some way to run from cli with debug log
[20:37] <pmcgowan> so its a point in time, but should be smarter maybe
[20:38] <lool> pmcgowan: it's a bug, it should either work normally or see it's started from an unsupported build
[20:38] <barry> lool: system-image-cli -v (and another -v for really verbose ;)
[20:38] <barry> lool: we have no such definition "unsupported build"
[20:38] <lool> pmcgowan: ^ if you run this, does it tell you which version it things it's on vs. the one it finds on system-image.u.c?
[20:39] <barry> pmcgowan: what does `system-image-cli -b` say?
[20:39] <pmcgowan> [systemimage] Aug 26 20:38:06 2013 (4846) all files available in /tmp/system-image
[20:39] <pmcgowan> [systemimage] Aug 26 20:38:21 2013 (4846) preparing to reboot
[20:39] <barry> e.g.:
[20:39] <barry> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# system-image-cli -b
[20:39] <barry> build number: 20130833
[20:39] <barry>  
[20:39] <pmcgowan> I hope not!
[20:40] <pmcgowan> barry, build number: 0
[20:40] <lool> hehe
[20:40] <barry> pmcgowan: that tells me it's auto-downloading.  "preparing to reboot" means shuffling all the files in place, and writing /etc/ubuntu_command.  doing everything *but* rebooting
[20:41] <barry> pmcgowan: so, system-image-cli thinks you've never applied an update before, so yes, it will try to update to 20130833
[20:41] <pmcgowan> barry, which is correct, since I am not on that image at all
[20:42] <pmcgowan> barry, but it does the download every time, since it hasnt applied it
[20:42] <barry> pmcgowan: and based on those log messages, it did download all the data files too.  so, it's not surprising that the cpu was busy (lots of files to read/write, gpg sigs to check, sha256 checksums, etc)
[20:42] <pmcgowan> barry, should it check for it to exist before downloading again?
[20:42] <lool> so now the other question is why it uses a lot of CPU to report that, or perhaps it's doing more than reportng
[20:42] <lool> ah right, it downloads by default
[20:42] <pmcgowan> barry, is it using the download manager?
[20:42] <lool> no
[20:42] <pmcgowan> I am confused then
[20:42] <barry> pmcgowan: not yet.  the d/l service doesn't yet have the right api or run on the system bus
[20:42] <pmcgowan> ok
[20:43] <pmcgowan> 2 things then - it should not update a cdimage type image, and it should not download the files when it already had?
[20:43] <barry> pmcgowan: it should *not* download everything if it's already done so though.  e.g. if you stop short of rebooting, and then check again, and it downloads everything again, that would be a bug :)
[20:44] <pmcgowan> barry, it downloaded the files 3 times, each time I entered the settings panel for updates
[20:44] <barry> pmcgowan: definitely on the latter, but system-image has no way of knowing it's a "cdimage type image".  all it knows is what it sees in the /etc/ubuntu_build file, or with version 1.2, in /etc/system-image/channel.ini
[20:45] <pmcgowan> barry, ok not a big deal since cdimage style goes away
[20:45] <barry> pmcgowan: okay, that's a bug needing fixing.  could you file one or should i?
[20:45] <pmcgowan> and it was defautled to download on wifi
[20:45] <pmcgowan> barry, would you mind
[20:46] <barry> pmcgowan: that's not supported until we integrate with the d/l service (same with pausing the download and a few other features)
[20:46] <barry> pmcgowan: sure
[20:47] <lool> barry: is there a chance it would start such a download on mobile data connection?
[20:47] <lool> barry: if there is, I'd suggest we disable the autodownload by default until we can prevent it and rely on manual downloads for a little while
[20:48] <pmcgowan> lool, I set it to never and its not downloading
[20:49] <pmcgowan> lool, so it could be its honoring the settings correctly
[20:49] <barry> lool: yes, it will.  we can switch the default to manual for now
[20:49] <lool> pmcgowan: but it would download on 3g if you had left the defaults and just opened that settings panel
[20:49] <barry> pmcgowan, lool right.   it cannot support wifi-only, but it does support automatic/always and manual
[20:49] <lool> which is a bit harsh to people actually using 3g
[20:49] <lool> (I only have my personal N7 for testing so can't check this out)
[20:49] <pmcgowan> right
[20:50] <barry> lool: do you want me to set it to manual for now?
[20:50] <lool> (but that's ok)
[20:50] <rickspencer3> barry, when you say it does not support wifi-only, do you mean "yet"?
[20:50] <lool> barry: I'd vote yes!  :)
[20:50] <barry> rickspencer3: right, yet
[20:50] <barry> rickspencer3: when the d/l service gets the features we need, and i integrate that, then it will work
[20:50] <lool> rickspencer3: it will when it's hooked to the updated download service
[20:50] <rickspencer3> barry, I think out of consideration, we should default ot manual then
[20:50] <rickspencer3> it could result in astronomical charges
[20:50] <barry> lool, rickspencer3 np.  it's a one character change :)
[20:51] <rickspencer3> when I roam in Europe it's like $10 per megayte!
[20:51]  * lool would have thought s/True/False/ and is disappointed that's it's s/1/0/
[20:51] <barry> i'll probably upload 1.2 today, so i'll make that change now, and change it back in LP: #1196991
[20:51] <barry> lool: well, it's actually 0/1/2 :)
[20:52] <barry> lool: hmm.  should i force switch it to manual-only if i someone has already run version 1.1?
[20:52] <rickspencer3> pmcgowan, so, my screen is off, unity is taking 45% of a cpu core :/
[20:53] <barry> lool: hmm, the other problem is how do we switch it back to auto when the time comes.  i think i should not save the default in the db (but use the default if the db key is not found)
[20:54] <barry> tough luck to aanybody who's already run 1.1
[20:54] <pmcgowan> rickspencer3, hmm
[20:54] <pmcgowan> I think I will report it and we can watch it
[20:55] <bigcalm> Hi :) I this the right place for an argument^w^wQML related discussion/help?
[20:56] <markusnoob> is there a roadmap for ubuntu touch? i d like to know when desktop convergrnce will be supported
[20:56] <rickspencer3> hi bigcalm there are a few qml folks here
[20:56] <bigcalm> rickspencer3: great. Hopefully people won't mind me just asking random questions then :)
[20:57] <rickspencer3> bigcalm, but I think there is a better channel
[20:57] <rickspencer3> mhall119, #ubuntu-app-developer ?
[20:57] <bigcalm> I'm trying to get QtLocation working. But it's causing a segmentation fault on my desktop and the SDK says that my phone doesn't have the QtLocation module :(
[20:58] <mhall119> rickspencer3: #ubuntu-app-devel
[20:58] <rickspencer3> bigcalm, ^
[20:59] <bigcalm> rickspencer3: thanks
[20:59] <mhall119> I think QtLocation might be broken atm
[20:59] <rickspencer3> bigcalm, for QtLocation specifically, I think the back end for that stuff is just landing
[20:59]  * bigcalm tickles popey and slithers out
[20:59] <mhall119> popey reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtlocation-opensource-src/+bug/1214369 earlier trying to find a working example
[20:59] <rickspencer3> so you can program to it, but I don't think it does much
[21:04] <pmcgowan> mhall119, seems that stuff did not land in the image as expected, we are following up
[21:06] <mhall119> bigcalm: ^^
[21:07] <lool> barry: can you tell whether the setting has been flipped or not?
[21:07] <bigcalm> Thanks peeps :)
[21:07] <lool> barry: generally the setting should have a 4th value which is "use the default"
[21:07] <lool> barry: switch everybody to that on the next update
[21:07] <barry> lool: i could do that.  do you see any value in that over "don't store a default, but if queried, provide it"?
[21:10] <barry> anyway, i think that'll be fine
[21:13] <mhall119> ogra_: sergiusens: is there any way to record video from a device, instead of just a screencap?
[21:16] <silverword> quit
[21:29] <lool> ogra_: hey, still around?
[21:29] <lool> ogra_: do you know what is currently blocking promotion of latest image to /current?
[21:30] <lool> ogra_: like, a finite things of things we need to resolve, or just a higher pass rate?
[21:30] <lool> ogra_: and can you confirm it's still being manually switched?
[21:30] <kgunn> pmcgowan: was this bug consistently repro'able ??
[21:31] <kgunn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1217099
[21:31] <pmcgowan> kgunn, I got it this afternoon, and about 20 mins later rick got it
[21:31] <pmcgowan> kgunn, but I dont have the way to trigger it yet
[21:31] <lool> barry: it would be more elegant to not even store teh default
[21:32] <lool> barry: but it doesn't really matter if you have "Use the default" as an option anyway
[21:32] <kgunn> pmcgowan: ack...simple test didn't get it...but i'll tinker a bit as well
[21:47] <AskUbuntu> Fade in or out a QML Audio file? | http://askubuntu.com/q/337654
[22:15] <slangasek> doanac`: where does the test definition for http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3759/default/303963/ live?
[22:15] <slangasek> (and how would I know this?)
[22:28] <cjohnston> slangasek: I believe its https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-test-case-dev/ubuntu-test-cases/touch/view/head:/ping/tc_control
[22:57] <lool> stgraber: Hmm people who used .developer_mode will be switched back to read-only now?!
[22:57] <lool> stgraber: could we keep supporting .developer_mode for a month or so?
[22:59] <stgraber> lool: is it really that big a deal? We pretty much told people not to use those images, so yeah, I should have put some code to rename any existing flag file, but I'm not sure it justifies the 3 source uploads, 4 hours wait time and 200MB of source packages required to add that now.
[23:00] <stgraber> (initrd changes require initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch + ubuntu-touch-generic-initrd + android to be uploaded in sequence, waiting for each to build and publlish before uploading the next...)
[23:12] <GyrthMcMulin> Does anyone here feel like helping a novice?
[23:12] <cjohnston> GyrthMcMulin: you would get farther by asking your question
[23:14] <GyrthMcMulin> cjohnston, Well I was following the porting page and I want to see how far I can get porting Ubuntu Touch to my little tablet.
[23:14] <GyrthMcMulin> But I've never done this.
[23:15] <GyrthMcMulin> I got the git repo. Cyanogen mod isn't on my device.
[23:16] <GyrthMcMulin> The whole page seems to be about using CM. So I guess this is a dead end.
[23:17] <slangasek> cjohnston: thanks
[23:17] <cjohnston> slangasek: np
[23:20] <GyrthMcMulin> Is it possible to get Ubuntu Touch on a tablet without the use of CM?
[23:25] <Umeaboy> GyrthMcMulin: Yes, if you are fully rooted.
[23:25] <wilee-nilee> GyrthMcMulin, The channel headers have a link to a no cm installation
[23:27] <GyrthMcMulin> I do have root access. And there has already been someone that ported Ubuntu desktop to the tablet.
[23:28] <lool> stgraber: it's no big deal, perhaps simply drop an email to ubuntu-phone ML to warn of the change then?
[23:29] <GyrthMcMulin> wilee-nilee, You mean the "Manual (deprecated)" part?
[23:29] <stgraber> lool: yeah, I can do that
[23:29]  * lool heads to bed &
[23:29] <wilee-nilee> GyrthMcMulin, Not sure what is deprectaed but the pahblet ppa
[23:30] <wilee-nilee> portion, if you are running linux
[23:32] <GyrthMcMulin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting is all about Cyanogen Mod. Where did you find the no cm installation wilee-nilee ?
[23:35] <wilee-nilee> GyrthMcMulin, This used to be in the header was yesterday. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[23:36] <GyrthMcMulin> wilee-nilee, These are already supported devices.
[23:37] <GyrthMcMulin> I was talking about porting to a non supported device.
[23:38] <wilee-nilee> GyrthMcMulin, supported devices, yes, and many others were loaded this way, have you actually named anything but "my little tablet" and whether it is supported or not. ;)
[23:40] <GyrthMcMulin> wilee-nilee, It's the Archos 43. As I said it doesn't have Cyanogen Mod. So it's not supported.
[23:42] <wilee-nilee> GyrthMcMulin, It is android why not install it.
[23:42] <wilee-nilee> load the raom manger and twrp
[23:43] <wilee-nilee> rom*
[23:43] <GyrthMcMulin> There isn't Cyanogen mod for my device.
[23:45] <wilee-nilee> ah, maybe another rom, your roote right the touch will wipe it anyway.
[23:46] <wilee-nilee> rooted*