[04:19] <micahg> OvenWerk1: I see ubuntustudio-instaler was uploaded, anything else left to do?
[04:22] <OvenWerk1> micahg: -installer, menu and -settings all uploaded. I think thats it for me... just waiting for the three to hit the wild.
[04:22] <micahg> ok, once -installer clears new, they should migrate
[04:23] <OvenWerk1> ok micahg is there anything I can do to help move it along or is it just waiting for the weekend to end?
[04:24] <micahg> NEW is processed as time permits, anything in there before Feature Freeze is good for saucy, if you need it in sooner, you can poke in -release
[04:24] <micahg> jdstrand used to do NEW review on Fridays, don't know if he still does
[04:24] <OvenWerk1> Thats fine. I can wait.
[04:24] <OvenWerk1> I can relax now :)
[04:25] <micahg> I'm glad you managed to find someone and am sorry I wasn't able to get to it
[04:26] <OvenWerk1> No problem, anything like that again, just say so. I can bug other people :)
[04:26] <micahg> yeah, I need to learn to say no more :)
[04:26] <OvenWerk1> Besides I learn more this way ...
[06:14] <smartboyhw> zequence, you are at WORK?:O
[06:14] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, :O
[06:16] <zequence-work> smartboyhw: Yes. I've been working last week too.
[06:16] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, oh, that's why we can't contact you...
[06:16] <zequence-work> I'm a Linux teacher for unemployed people
[06:17] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, sure, teach me how to make multiarch work in a cmake package..
[06:17] <zequence-work> I'm on every day. Just not all the time
[06:18] <zequence-work> Not sure how that relates to Linux
[06:19] <smartboyhw> zequence-work: I know, just can't understand it
[06:19] <smartboyhw> (SIGH)
[06:19] <zequence-work> Check the documentation for cmake
[07:39] <smartboyhw> Hey cub 
[07:39] <cub> good morning!
[07:41] <cub> all is well, smartboyhw ?
[07:41] <smartboyhw> cub, yes
[07:42] <smartboyhw> cub, what are you asking OvenWerk1 yesterday?
[07:42] <cub> zequence-work, indeed.
[07:43] <cub> smartboyhw, I'm about to set up several installations on my laptop and I think he had done what I'm aiming for before and just wanted some feedback
[07:43] <zequence-work> cub: hi
[07:43] <cub> spent a week or so trying to shrink my pre-installed old Windows-partition. 
[07:43] <cub> zequence-work, teaching work or *nix work?
[07:44] <smartboyhw> cub, both can be mixed together:P
[07:45] <cub> yes but is usually gets messy after three OS installation I think. :P
[07:45] <smartboyhw> cub, um, I'm replying to zequence's job, not on your installation...
[07:45] <cub> haha ok
[07:46]  * smartboyhw will send a reminder to zequence-work about the RT kernel after FF:P
[07:49] <zequence-work> cub: I had plus ten Ubuntu/Debian installs at one point
[07:49] <zequence-work> There was a problem with the installer sometimes, when you hit a certain amount
[07:49] <cub> how did you partition the hdd?
[07:50] <zequence-work> You can have max 4 primary partitions
[07:50] <cub> yeah
[07:50] <zequence-work> One of them can be shared between all, which is the swap partition
[07:50] <zequence-work> I just made several small ones. Like 20GB for each testing install
[07:51] <zequence-work> I'm currently trying to move towards virtual machines on my server, but VirtualBox was making it crash. Need to try something else
[07:52] <cub> I run most in Vbox but some things I think I would need a "real" installation for
[07:53] <cub> Virtualbox crash you system? What do you use as host OS, Debian right?
[07:54] <zequence-work> Debian, yes
[07:55] <zequence-work> It's headless, and I use remote GUI
[07:58] <cub> zequence-work, since I pushed to the contributor branch. Do I need to do anything else to get it reviewed and my minor change into the real seed?
[07:58] <smartboyhw> cub, a merge proposal
[07:58] <smartboyhw> (But I suppose OvenWerk1 did the orca change already(
[07:59] <cub> yes but I put in brltty as well.
[07:59] <smartboyhw> cub, oh good
[07:59] <smartboyhw> Merge proposal then
[07:59] <cub> dang, I should have done that on Friday already
[08:00] <smartboyhw> cub, no worries:)
[08:00] <smartboyhw> We can push it in
[08:02] <cub> Should I name someone as reviewer?
[08:02] <smartboyhw> cub, Ubuntu Studio Development Team is OK
[08:02] <smartboyhw> So I or OvenWerk1 or zequence-work can review 
[08:02] <cub> I suppose it will go there anyway, the field is "optional"
[08:02] <cub> and done.
[08:03] <smartboyhw> OK, let me review:)
[08:03] <cub> it shoudl be quick, I only added "* (brltty) "
[08:04] <cub> :)
[08:05] <cub> but how does it work after that? Do you need to manually do the same change in the main branch? Or can it automatically include just the last change in the contributor branch? Since there might have been other changes done there since I pushed on Friday.
[08:05] <smartboyhw> cub, yep, manually, I'm doing it
[08:05] <smartboyhw> Just a bzr merge and a bzr commit
[08:06] <smartboyhw> cub, MERGED
[08:06] <cub> whohoo
[08:07] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, you are now having the same problems like OvenWerk1 of bzr launchpad-login
[08:07] <cub> I've got some good feedback from the ubuntu-accessibility mailing list. It seems there might be an audience for Ubuntu Studio there if we can get it to work properly.
[08:09] <smartboyhw> Now the question: Do we want to update it for -meta?
[08:09] <smartboyhw> If yes, either we wait for micahg or we ask somebody else to sponsor the upload
[08:09] <cub> hu?
[08:09] <smartboyhw> cub, which country are you from again?
[08:09] <cub> Sweden
[08:11] <smartboyhw> cub, look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamStructure:)
[08:11] <cub> Oooh fame and glory!
[08:11] <smartboyhw> LOL
[08:13] <cub> I have started up a wikipage https://wiki.ubuntu.com/cub
[08:14] <smartboyhw> cub, oh great:)
[08:15] <smartboyhw> cub, look at mine:P https://wiki.ubuntu.com/smartboyhw
[08:15] <smartboyhw> And I need an update, hmm
[08:17] <cub> "ninja" hehe
[08:18] <smartboyhw> cub, OK, this team doesn't actually exist (as in the team's LP profile)
[08:19] <cub> which team?
[08:19] <smartboyhw> cub, ninjas
[08:19] <smartboyhw> launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas
[08:20] <cub> Haha I didn't know there was one.
[08:20] <smartboyhw> cub, there actually is (in Launchpad terms)
[09:09] <zequence-work> cub: Did you first make sure the branch was updated with the changes from the master branch (i.e. the ubuntustudio-dev branch)?
[09:09] <zequence-work> Before making changes, first pull changes from the master branch
[09:10] <zequence-work> Then make changes, then push, then do merge request
[09:10] <zequence-work> I can have a look
[09:13] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, nah, I bzr pulled before merging
[09:13] <smartboyhw> For cub :)
[09:18] <zequence-work> smartboyhw: Ok
[09:18] <zequence-work> cub: Are you with us on the details on this now?
[09:19] <zequence-work> Since there are two branches, the second one needs to be updated before making changes (preferably)
[09:25] <cub> zequence-work, yes I pulled the main branch just before doing my change, then push to the contributor branch. Though I didn't do the merge proposal until today, which might be an issue?
[09:28] <smartboyhw> cub, the main branch might have changed during the time you started doing the editing work and the merge proposal
[09:39] <cub> exactly, that's why I asked before
[10:22] <zequence-work> cub: What you do then is you first do a merge to your own branch, before pushing it to contributor - if there were changes
[10:22] <zequence-work> Or you can do it the other way around too of course
[10:23] <zequence-work> I mean push changes first. Then merge with the main branch
[10:23] <zequence-work> cub: Ok, so you had your first change done in code today then
[10:23] <zequence-work> Congrats
[10:23] <zequence-work> Even if it's more like config files
[10:24] <zequence-work> Dev change anyway
[10:42] <cub> hehe, still worth celebrating. I bought icecream.
[10:44] <smartboyhw> cub, LOL
[10:44]  * smartboyhw ate icecream 1 hour ago
[11:34] <zequence-work> luckily I don't like ice cream
[11:35] <zequence-work> So, only tea and cookies for me
[11:36] <zequence-work> DarkEra: Hi
[11:37] <DarkEra> hi there zequence-work
[12:39] <smartboyhw> Hey DarkEra 
[12:40] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, ice creams are great:
[12:40] <smartboyhw> ;)
[12:40] <DarkEra> hi smartboyhw
[12:40] <zequence-work> So is tea and cookies
[12:41]  * smartboyhw likes cookies but not western tea
[12:41] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, drink Chinese and Japanese tea:P
[12:46] <zequence-work> smartboyhw: I had some green tea today, but not from leaves. Just from bags
[12:46] <zequence-work> I used to drink lots of green tea in the past
[12:46] <zequence-work> The Chinese kind
[13:01] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, good:)
[13:08] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, welcome:)
[13:08] <DarkEra> smartboyhw: hmm?
[13:09] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, welcome I sayu
[13:09] <smartboyhw> *say
[13:09] <DarkEra> welcome to what? lol
[13:09] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, th the channel:)
[13:10] <DarkEra> i already said hi before but then again... thanks buddy :)
[14:19] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, http://smartboyhwubuntu.wordpress.com/2013/08/26/happy-22nd-birthday-linux/
[14:19] <smartboyhw> cub, ^
[14:20] <cub> Yup, I read his biography this summer. I was surprised the book was already over 10 years old
[14:21] <smartboyhw> cub, heh
[14:21] <smartboyhw> Buy a newer edition:p
[14:22] <cub> I don't think there is one?
[14:23] <cub> I like the part "I’m doing a (free) operating system". It doesn't say "I'm doing a (free) kernel". ;)
[14:24] <smartboyhw> cub, that IS the original email
[14:24] <cub> I know.
[14:25] <zequence-work> Some would claim the kernel is the actual operating system. The terminology is not perfectly clear
[14:25] <cub> yeah, that will probably be the new mac vs pc argument within the gnu/foss/floss/linux/etc communties.
[14:25] <zequence-work> Going to an interview for HiQ tomorrow (thought it would be today)
[14:26] <zequence-work> They were looking for a Linux guru
[14:26] <cub> sweet
[14:26] <zequence-work> It would really make my day if it led somewhere
[14:26] <cub> is it a consulting job?
[14:27] <zequence-work> Not sure yet. Something to do with Linux
[14:27] <cub> yeah I meant if you know if you would work on HiQ's own things or other companies
[14:27] <zequence-work> Haven't got any details at all really
[14:27] <cub> maybe they both actually. :P
[14:40] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, oh?
[14:40] <smartboyhw> LinkedIn?
[14:40] <zequence-work> Yes, it was time for an account there. Time to go home..
[14:46] <cub> Is there a way to see all the ! commands for ubottu?
[14:50] <smartboyhw> !list
[14:50] <smartboyhw> OUCH
[14:50] <smartboyhw> cub, check ubottu.com
[14:50] <smartboyhw> "Factoid database"
[14:51] <cub> Ah, I found some other pages but they only explained how to create new factoids.
[14:51] <cub> thanks
[15:40] <smartboyhw> zequence, do we have any intention to update our ubiquity slideshow?
[15:40] <smartboyhw> It seemed to be quite old, tbh
[15:40] <smartboyhw> :P
[16:07] <OvenWerk1> smartboyhw: waiting for new backdrops to drop...
[16:08] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, ?
[16:08]  * smartboyhw does wonder what happened to our artwork
[16:08] <smartboyhw> Sadly madeinkobaia isn't here
[16:09] <OvenWerk1> people get busy, Mish is out for a bit
[16:09] <OvenWerk1>  I am glad he got the icons done though
[16:09] <OvenWerk1> Ralf did one icon too
[16:11] <OvenWerk1> Anyone else do art?
[16:12] <OvenWerk1> smartboyhw: We tried to make our slide show have no version ref, so we have just been changing the first/last slides with the new BG
[16:14] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, well, we should update it a bit I think
[18:02] <zequence> OvenWerk1: Yeah, I'm waiting a bit to see if madein will show up. Since we have until interface freeze, I wasn't in a hurry to do the icons myself
[18:02] <zequence> There is a new set, which is ok to use already
[18:02] <zequence> but, they could be improved
[18:02] <zequence> so not much work to finish it
[18:02] <zequence> I think if we don't get a new wallpaper this cycle we just roll with the old one
[18:03] <zequence> The important changes come with 14.04, so I'm not going to be stressed about the wallpaper this time (last time it was really getting old)
[20:32] <OvenWerk1> zequence: ubutustudio-icon-theme is still in the wild and as a depends some place. I think it shouldn't matter for the menu because we have changed the name of all the menu icons anyway.
[20:36] <OvenWerk1> zequence: I think it has to remain in our package becasue it has the distributer icon. However, it could have the menu icons cleaned out.
[20:36] <OvenWerk1> Because it is art work we may be able to still do this after FF.
[20:37] <zequence> OvenWerk1: Yes, the menu icons I've gathered should go into the menu packag now
[20:37] <OvenWerk1> It seems odd having an icon theme with only one icon :)
[20:37] <zequence> The icon theme might see a resurrection for 14.04 with a new icon set
[20:37] <OvenWerk1> They are already in tghe menu
[20:37] <zequence> Doesn't matter if there's only one :)
[20:38] <OvenWerk1> Ya, just seems funny :)
[20:38] <OvenWerk1> Do you want me to clean it out, or leave it for a new guy?
[20:39] <zequence> It's mostly just cleaning up. If you want to do it, please go ahead :).
[20:40] <OvenWerk1> Right. will rebranch this afternoon.
[20:42] <OvenWerk1> I have a couple of identical stereo amps... one side works on each I think... Maybe I can make one good one.
[20:44]  * OvenWerk1 just fixed the stove in a simmilar way...
[20:44] <knome> OvenWerk1, do you happen to have an otherwise broken camera with a working flash? ;)
[20:45] <knome> i have the pairing part (working camera with broken flash)
[21:30] <madeinkobaia> See you all : )
[21:45] <OvenWerk1> knome: no such luck... not much of a photographer. Even so, the shipping might cost the value of any of the cameras I own ;)
[21:47] <knome> hehe
[21:48] <OvenWerk1> knome: how much do you know about licences?
[21:49] <knome> limiting amount, but ask away
[21:49] <knome> *limited
[21:50] <OvenWerk1> one of our packages the debian part is licenced "GPL" in 2006. I notice that in the dirctory GPL links to GPL-3
[21:50] <OvenWerk1> However, GPL-3 was introduced in 2007, so I am guessing that GPL in this case should be GPL-2?
[21:51]  * OvenWerk1 is fixing up the copyright files to machine readable..
[21:51] <knome> what's the package?
[21:52] <OvenWerk1> Or should I leave it as "GPL" and let it poinbt at 3. This is ubuntustudio-icon-theme.
[21:52] <knome> depends if the license for the application/lib in the package says "GPL2 or later" or "GPL2"
[21:52] <knome> right
[21:52] <knome> who are the authors for that theme?
[21:52] <knome> you should consult them to check how they want to handle the license
[21:52] <OvenWerk1> The theme itself is cc by sa
[21:53] <OvenWerk1> all the icons are new sinse 2012
[21:53] <knome> aha
[21:53] <OvenWerk1> It is just the /debian directory
[21:53] <knome> so why is GPL there?
[21:53] <knome> if GPL isn't the license, delete the file
[21:53] <OvenWerk1> Left from the original packager
[21:54] <knome> or to be more exact, if nothing in the package is GPL-licensed, there's no reason for the file to be in there
[21:54] <OvenWerk1> So I can just do the whole thing cc by sa then? That would be much simpler
[21:54] <knome> i'd imagine so.
[21:54] <knome> i don't know if debian packages itself are licensed
[21:54] <OvenWerk1> So the *.deb package format itself is no licenced?
[21:54] <knome> common sense says that's stupid...
[21:55] <OvenWerk1> PD?
[21:55] <knome> i'd check with other packagers on that
[21:55] <knome> or, check packages like xubuntu-icon-theme for what that does.
[21:55] <OvenWerk1> ok
[22:08] <TheDrums> knome: Generally there's a Files: debian/* section.
[22:08] <knome> TheDrums, yeah, but does that have a GPL file if the contents of the package isn't GPL'd?
[22:09] <TheDrums> It's whatever the maintainer licenses it as, so all files under the source/debian/ dir are GPL.
[22:16] <OvenWerk1> TheDrums: ok, The original question stands, If the package was originally debianized when GPL was gpl-2, do I have to make it gpl-2 or can I leave it as just gpl?
[22:16] <TheDrums> I'm not good with copyright, so I can't say.
[22:17] <OvenWerk1> Most of the packages are gpl-2+ for that part ...
[22:19] <OvenWerk1> I think That is what I will do here, It was started as gpl2 but left open.. 
[22:36] <OvenWerk1> Building and delinting...
[23:09] <OvenWerk1> Should have known.. extended-description-is-probably-too-short
[23:09] <OvenWerk1> we seem to do that a lot.