| soee | good morning | 06:27 |
|---|---|---|
| lordievader | Good morning. | 07:59 |
| === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube | ||
| Riddell | ouch, my dentist had a break down half way through drilling out my tooth :( | 09:13 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: they did one a couple of years ago too, I've got the files if you want them | 09:14 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, LOL | 09:16 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: I see, well, I still have to watch the rest of that one | 09:27 |
| shadeslayer | I watched 30 mins of it, then I started to have a headache | 09:27 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, oh:( | 09:37 |
| === 20WACYJOB is now known as toscalix | ||
| smartboyhw | Riddell, you are a Debian developer right? | 09:58 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: not I | 10:03 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, :O | 10:04 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: has rights I believe | 10:04 |
| * smartboyhw wants somebody to sponsor his first package into Debian.... | 10:04 | |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: what's the lucky package? | 10:05 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, zbackup | 10:05 |
| smartboyhw | It's a new one, so it's a good opportunity to train it out my packaging skills | 10:06 |
| smartboyhw | (Albeit it's quite an easy one) | 10:06 |
| shadeslayer | okay I think login is faster if cache is populated from the install | 10:08 |
| yofel | for kde it will be, cache generation takes quite a while | 10:10 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: what's your current method? | 10:12 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/p171e1662/ | 10:13 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: though I can remove the dir creation stuff by running kbuildsycoca4 twice , once before I copy the cache, and once I copy it | 10:13 |
| * smartboyhw forgotten the command to check copyright again, yofel | 10:14 | |
| smartboyhw | IDIOT | 10:14 |
| shadeslayer | which is what I'm trying right now | 10:14 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: licensecheck | 10:14 |
| yofel | ^ | 10:14 |
| shadeslayer | heh, also missing a ] in the subprocess.call | 10:15 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: also run suspicious-source | 10:19 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, yeah? | 10:20 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: sebas agreed that copying the cache should work | 10:20 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: so you don't let in any non-preferred modifiable form files | 10:24 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: does python have a method to copy all files matching a regex? | 10:40 |
| shadeslayer | then I can just copy over *.kcache | 10:40 |
| Riddell | I don't think so, you can use a shell call or just match the files in python easy enough | 10:41 |
| Riddell | subprocess.call("cp * foo/", shell=True) | 10:42 |
| Riddell | I think | 10:42 |
| shadeslayer | ah yes, shell call is probably easier | 10:42 |
| yofel | python has a glob module I think that you could use, but shell would be easier | 10:43 |
| === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube | ||
| Riddell | hi manchicken | 12:07 |
| manchicken | Hiya | 12:07 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning all | 12:10 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: ping | 12:17 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: is there a way I can extract the name of the live session user? | 12:17 |
| yofel | $USER, no? | 12:18 |
| shadeslayer | ubiquity will be running as root | 12:19 |
| shadeslayer | so won't $USER be root? | 12:19 |
| shadeslayer | problem is : cache_path = subprocess.getoutput('kde4-config --path cache') : gives me the cache of the root user | 12:19 |
| shadeslayer | which does not have the cache files | 12:19 |
| shadeslayer | but the live user does | 12:20 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: class DM has self.username, there is also get_casper('USERNAME', default_username) | 12:20 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: SUDO_USER should be defined in the environment as well. | 12:20 |
| xnox | (SUDO_USER used in a couple of places in the installer itself) | 12:21 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: else fallback to root, as e.g. it is valid to run ubiquity as root with no "normal" accounts. | 12:21 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: I don't wnat to fallback to root because it doesn't have the KDE cache files populated :) | 12:22 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: or simply use the drop privileges decorator, to executed something as a mere mortal. | 12:22 |
| shadeslayer | aha | 12:22 |
| shadeslayer | that sounds better | 12:22 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: preexec_fn=misc.drop_all_privileges | 12:22 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: can drop_privileges be used in scripts/plugininstall.py ? | 12:22 |
| xnox | no idea =)( | 12:23 |
| xnox | no idea =) | 12:23 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: try and see what breaks =) | 12:23 |
| shadeslayer | lol | 12:23 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: once dropped, can I elevate again? | 12:23 |
| shadeslayer | ( doesn't seem like it ) | 12:23 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: v | 12:27 |
| shadeslayer | erm | 12:27 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: http://paste.kde.org/p699b323c/ | 12:27 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: only problematic line is line 10 | 12:27 |
| shadeslayer | need to figure out how to run that as the live user | 12:28 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: drop_privileges is for running stuff as $user in the live session, not in target. | 12:28 |
| shadeslayer | aha, there's a regain priviliges | 12:30 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: right, I understand | 12:30 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: btw, do you have an idea if populating the xapian cache on the target system has been investigated? | 13:02 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: which xapian cache? i thought on ubuntu cds it does happen at the end when software-centre is configured. | 13:05 |
| xnox | - the apt-xapian cache that is. | 13:05 |
| shadeslayer | yes, that's the one I'm talking about | 13:05 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: is that generic or specific to the ubuntu CD> | 13:05 |
| shadeslayer | or even the package | 13:05 |
| xnox | no idea, I just know that it happens =) | 13:05 |
| shadeslayer | heh =) | 13:06 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: so apt-xapian-index is purged from target with a comment that it will be reindexed later. | 13:09 |
| shadeslayer | yes I saw that | 13:09 |
| shadeslayer | something along the lines of "Once the target systems apt is fully configured we will re index" | 13:09 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: are you just pondering or you did live-session install, then mounted /target and saw there is no apt-xapian inde? | 13:15 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: installing to check if my guess is correct | 13:15 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: atleast from the logs I don't think it's doing anything related to the apt xapian index | 13:15 |
| smartboyhw | Anyone here have any ideas as to which team in Debian should I join? | 13:22 |
| shadeslayer | the KDE one? | 13:26 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, except the KDE one? | 13:26 |
| shadeslayer | not the GNOME one? | 13:27 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, I know nothing about GNOME:P | 13:27 |
| shadeslayer | I bet apachelogger can enlighten you about it | 13:27 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, oh | 13:28 |
| apachelogger | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/27/plasma-desktopyY2304.png phonon5 playing video | 13:28 |
| smartboyhw | apachelogger, shadeslayer say you can enlighten me on above topic^ | 13:28 |
| apachelogger | GNOME is awesome. | 13:29 |
| smartboyhw | apachelogger, ...... | 13:29 |
| apachelogger | all the Enlightenment you need | 13:29 |
| smartboyhw | apachelogger, ................. | 13:29 |
| BluesKaj | apachelogger, bah :) | 13:29 |
| apachelogger | or perhaps you should have a look at your Windows | 13:29 |
| shadeslayer | I heard they tried to remove middle click paste | 13:29 |
| apachelogger | to see an Apple falling from a tree, landing on a Bee | 13:30 |
| smartboyhw | apachelogger, you are obviously answering the wrong question... | 13:30 |
| shadeslayer | and then it was reverted | 13:30 |
| apachelogger | smartboyhw: yeah, because there was no question | 13:30 |
| smartboyhw | apachelogger, um the question is <smartboyhw> Anyone here have any ideas as to which team in Debian should I join? | 13:30 |
| apachelogger | or there was one, and that one I cannot answer as I am not in any debian team | 13:30 |
| smartboyhw | apachelogger, oh | 13:30 |
| shadeslayer | https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/plugins/xsettings/gsd-xsettings-manager.c?id=696e04d41a485f84870a98c85b819979928b69e9 | 13:30 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, can you get somebody who can ACTUALLY answer?: | 13:30 |
| smartboyhw | :P | 13:30 |
| apachelogger | so shadeslayer #fail | 13:30 |
| BluesKaj | how about the debiam kde team , if there is one :) | 13:31 |
| shadeslayer | what | 13:31 |
| shadeslayer | BluesKaj: ofcourse there is one :P | 13:31 |
| apachelogger | I heared they all switched to fedora | 13:32 |
| BluesKaj | yeah , no kidding ' | 13:32 |
| smartboyhw | OK, so you want me all to switch to Debian and do packaging work there instead of here?:P | 13:32 |
| BluesKaj | I see alot of fewrora users in #kde | 13:32 |
| BluesKaj | oops fedora | 13:32 |
| * BluesKaj needs more coffee | 13:33 | |
| BluesKaj | so fedora must have problems on kde | 13:33 |
| smartboyhw | BluesKaj, :O | 13:34 |
| apachelogger | or they have users | 13:35 |
| apachelogger | trolololo | 13:35 |
| shadeslayer | ^^ | 13:36 |
| smartboyhw | apachelogger, shadeslayer so, the Debian Qt/KDE team? | 13:36 |
| shadeslayer | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 13:37 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, OK, what the hell is that? | 13:37 |
| shadeslayer | I don't know | 13:38 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, huh | 13:38 |
| smartboyhw | THen why are you typing that? | 13:38 |
| smartboyhw | It's a Japanese word + arms | 13:38 |
| shadeslayer | yes, I know, I just used it as a substitute for IDK since it better conveys what I wanted to say | 13:39 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, .............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. | 13:39 |
| apachelogger | it's an emoticon that's what it is | 13:44 |
| BluesKaj | look s like , "I have no idea" :) | 13:45 |
| smartboyhw | It looks like to me as \o/ | 13:46 |
| jussi | it looks like *shrug* | 13:49 |
| shadeslayer | halp http://paste.kde.org/~shadeslayer/p3fda168e/ | 13:57 |
| shadeslayer | causes crash : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6032727/ | 13:57 |
| shadeslayer | line 958 ^^ | 13:57 |
| * Riddell tunes into http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21887/intro-and-keynote/ | 13:58 | |
| * smartboyhw too | 13:58 | |
| Riddell | Aug 27 13:50:17 kubuntu ubiquity: File "/usr/share/ubiquity/plugininstall.py", line 1674 | 13:58 |
| Riddell | Aug 27 13:50:17 kubuntu ubiquity: universal_newlines=True).communicate()[0].strip('\n') | 13:58 |
| shadeslayer | yes | 13:58 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: invalid syntax | 13:58 |
| shadeslayer | why? | 13:58 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: missing comma | 13:59 |
| Riddell | preexec_fn=misc.drop_privileges | 13:59 |
| Riddell | there ^^ | 13:59 |
| shadeslayer | %$^%*& | 13:59 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, CALM DOWN | 14:00 |
| shadeslayer | my brain hurts | 14:00 |
| shadeslayer | python is driving me crazy | 14:00 |
| * smartboyhw drives shadeslayer even more crazy | 14:01 | |
| shadeslayer | /o\ | 14:03 |
| * smartboyhw thinks shadeslayer should be sent to "Tsing Shan" (a.k.a. hospital for crazy people) | 14:04 | |
| shadeslayer | -.- | 14:13 |
| shadeslayer | the cp command still doesn't work :/ | 14:13 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 14:41 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: I don't think drop_priviliges is working | 14:41 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: define not work =) on kubuntu cd, it will correctly drop priviliges to the live-cd kubuntu user. | 14:42 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: http://paste.kde.org/~shadeslayer/p5bae65c4/ | 14:43 |
| shadeslayer | that's the code | 14:43 |
| shadeslayer | in syslog I see "Building KDE cache from" | 14:44 |
| shadeslayer | no path | 14:44 |
| xnox | check /var/log/installer/dm anything there? | 14:44 |
| shadeslayer | not really no | 14:45 |
| shadeslayer | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6032895 | 14:46 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: ^^ | 14:47 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: at least on ubuntu, ubiquity bootted with debug-ubiquity parameter allows ctrl-alt-t to bring up the terminal with the same environment as the installer, for you to test what (if anything) is wrong with that call. | 14:49 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 14:50 |
| shadeslayer | nope | 14:50 |
| shadeslayer | nothing | 14:50 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: you mean ubiquity --debug right? | 14:50 |
| BluesKaj | ctrl+alt+t hasn't worked here for ages | 14:51 |
| * xnox has no idea about kde frontend. but it does work in ubuntu. | 14:51 | |
| xnox | shadeslayer: no, debug-ubiquity as kernel boot arg, cause you want it in ubiquity-dm, not in the live session. | 14:51 |
| hggdh | just a Q, are you folks aware that apport-kde is seg-faulting? | 14:54 |
| shadeslayer | aha | 14:54 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: but my code is only meant to be run in the live session | 14:55 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: what do you mean by live session? installer should do everything regardless if it was run from live session or from ubiquity-dm session. | 14:57 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: probably environment variables are missing, as we use pkexec and it clears environment, and when you drop priviliges back the environment will not be the same. | 14:58 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: no no, this code should only be run when on the live session | 14:58 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: why does it need to be run anyway then? | 14:58 |
| * xnox doesn't understand, if you are generating caches, you should chroot into /target and regenerate caches there. | 14:58 | |
| xnox | shadeslayer: do note that your live session != the target installed environment.... | 14:58 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: yes I know, what I'm doing is copying caches from the live-session to the target | 14:59 |
| xnox | don't do that. | 14:59 |
| xnox | chroot into target and regenerate them. | 15:00 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: what does it gain you? | 15:00 |
| shadeslayer | hmm, kind of difficult since there's no command to generate the cache on the target via command line that I know of | 15:00 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: login time | 15:00 |
| shadeslayer | or atleast it seems to me that login is faster if I copy the cache | 15:00 |
| shadeslayer | *first login | 15:00 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: well the caches are generated somehow, if it's not exposed yet, make it exposed. | 15:00 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: they're most likely generated programatically | 15:01 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: for eg the plasma theme cache | 15:01 |
| shadeslayer | or the icon cache | 15:01 |
| shadeslayer | combined, the compromise about 90 MB's | 15:01 |
| xnox | benchmark it. I don't like something that only works via one method vs the other. | 15:01 |
| shadeslayer | hm, I see | 15:02 |
| xnox | talk to kde upstream, maybe they can expose cache generation. | 15:02 |
| shadeslayer | *nod* | 15:02 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: for example icon caches should be all up to date globally, as we preserve time stamps during livefs build. | 15:04 |
| shadeslayer | not really, if I understand this correctly, KDE caches icons in /var/tmp/kdecache-USER/ | 15:05 |
| shadeslayer | since you don't know the value of USER, the file is not there on the target system | 15:05 |
| smartboyhw | DOH, Google doesn't allow me to join the vUDS hangouts since I'm < 18:( | 15:18 |
| shadeslayer | lol? | 15:19 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, true | 15:20 |
| smartboyhw | It is actually Google's policy | 15:20 |
| BluesKaj | have patience smartboyhw . you'll be 18 someday :) | 15:23 |
| smartboyhw | BluesKaj, what? That's 3 YEARS, for holy's sake | 15:23 |
| smartboyhw | And that's 36 vUDS... | 15:24 |
| shadeslayer | I sure hope not | 15:24 |
| * shadeslayer is still rooting for in person UDS to come back | 15:24 | |
| BluesKaj | like the saying goes , patience is a virtue | 15:25 |
| * smartboyhw wrote http://smartboyhwubuntu.wordpress.com/2013/08/27/google-please-let-me-join-vuds/ in fury | 15:25 | |
| yofel | write vUDS-use-something-other-than-google instead | 15:26 |
| yofel | then Scott could join too | 15:26 |
| shadeslayer | ^^ | 15:27 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, wait, why Scott can't? | 15:27 |
| shadeslayer | It's proprietary | 15:27 |
| shadeslayer | same reason I try and actively avoid it | 15:27 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: he doesn't agree with google's TOS afaik | 15:27 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, oh:) | 15:27 |
| shadeslayer | and that as well ^^ | 15:27 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, yofel updated | 15:28 |
| smartboyhw | At least pleading Ubuntu to change | 15:28 |
| shadeslayer | I am unsure why they did not go with mumble | 15:28 |
| shadeslayer | I don't think video is *that* important | 15:28 |
| yofel | well, video *is* nice | 15:30 |
| yofel | it does give it a bit more personal feeling | 15:30 |
| smartboyhw | But, this TOS is :( | 15:30 |
| * smartboyhw has to re-consider whether he will be trying to join Google in the future | 15:30 | |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, yofel their answer: "NO SOLUTION TO THIS" | 15:38 |
| smartboyhw | And they seem to stick to Video more | 15:38 |
| * yofel expected that | 15:38 | |
| smartboyhw | yofel, next thing you know from popey and IdleOne: Why not lie?:P | 15:41 |
| smartboyhw | Next thing you know from slangasek and rbasak: Go and write one yourself -.- | 15:42 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: fwiw the xapian-apt index is not created on kubuntu | 15:58 |
| shadeslayer | there is no /target/var/lib/apt-xapian-index | 15:58 |
| xnox | but daily cron will create it. | 15:58 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: do you think we should prepopulate it from the installer ? | 15:59 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: not sure. | 16:00 |
| shadeslayer | so, where is this db used? | 16:00 |
| shadeslayer | muon? | 16:00 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: ^ ? | 16:00 |
| shadeslayer | apol: ^^ | 16:00 |
| smartboyhw | libqapt? | 16:01 |
| shadeslayer | well, it's probably implemented in libqapt, but the question is whether muon uses it | 16:01 |
| apol | it does | 16:01 |
| yofel | I think the issue was our language selector | 16:01 |
| apol | for searching | 16:01 |
| yofel | that doesn't work without the index | 16:01 |
| shadeslayer | ah hmm, the trello card gives no reasons why each one of those caches should be populated | 16:02 |
| shadeslayer | just says that they should be | 16:02 |
| soee | hiho | 18:05 |
| skellat | Hey Riddell, can you spare a moment? | 18:35 |
| skellat | When you have the chance Riddell, please ping infinity & slangasek over -release with the amount of alphas and betas Kubuntu want to participate in during the T cycle. It would help them with a bit of their discussion from a short session about schedule planning. | 18:38 |
| * skellat wanders off | 18:38 | |
| === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh | ||
| Riddell | skellat: all of them I think | 19:52 |
| skellat | Riddell: Just please make sure to ping infinity & slangasek directly in -release with that. knome did so for us and I think I need to track down gilir perhaps yet too. | 20:41 |
| === dantti_laptop|2 is now known as dantti_laptop | ||
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