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pittiGood morning03:41
pittiRAOF, robert_ancell: ah, yay for xmir xrandr!04:38
pittinow I can actually use it \o/ (running from PPA now)04:38
pittibut it's really sluggish, especially in weechat but also in firefox04:38
robert_ancellpitti, all thanks for RAOF! yeah, there's a known problem with lag when using two monitors04:40
robert_ancellpitti, does the lag go away when using one monitor?04:40
pittiah, known? good; I'm going to report the wrong default resolution04:40
pittirobert_ancell: I disabled the internal panel, I only have my external DVI on04:40
robert_ancellpitti, oh interesting - that's a good point to note. I'll find you the bug number04:41
pittiI need to rearrange things a bit to test it with the laptop only, can do04:41
pittiah, bug 1216224, someone else got it as well04:41
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1216224 in XMir "[multimonitor] XMir defaults to wrong resolution 1152x864 instead of 1920x1200." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121622404:41
robert_ancellpitti, does bug 1216472 sound like your case?04:43
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1216472 in Mir "xmir multimonitor Frames eventually get slightly out of order, look like glitches or typing will feel slow" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121647204:43
pittirobert_ancell: could be; typing in weechat feels like a 300ms lag ssh connection04:43
robert_ancellpitti, that sounds like what I've seen here04:44
pittiand mouse wheel scrolling in firefox causes a lot of flicker in the lower third04:44
pittirobert_ancell: ok, so it's consistent04:44
pittirobert_ancell: I'll  check with LVDS only, too04:44
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Mirvpitti: if you have a moment, this morning's ack-needed would be gallery-app adding a dependency http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6031287/ and ubuntu-keyboard adding autopilot package http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6031288/04:57
Mirv(a peek at the latter at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+sourcepub/3447670/+listing-archive-extra - I was interested in checking how the autopilot package turned out)04:57
pittiMirv: gallery-app ack04:58
pittiMirv: ubuntu-keyboard ack (argh more py2 stuff, but that's due to autopilot)04:59
Mirvpitti: thanks... and right, that's unfortunate04:59
sil2100Mirv: hi! How's the nvidia machine today?07:15
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sil2100Ah, I see it's fixed now07:16
Mirvsil2100: hi! I wasn't sure what's up with it, but yes it seemed to be running smoothly :)07:40
Mirvqueued rerun of platform + mirslave tests, seem random07:45
seb128good morning desktopers08:07
sil2100Mirv: I guess it was fixed when the container got updated08:08
sil2100Or maybe cyphermox somehow resolved it08:09
Laneyhello seb12808:09
Laneyhow's it going?08:09
seb128hey Laney sil210008:09
Mirvmornig seb128, Laney08:09
seb128Laney, good mostly, would be better without vUDS though (too much to do)08:09
seb128hey Mirv08:09
LaneyI see there are lots of s-s reviews08:09
seb128Laney, you? had a good long w.e?08:09
Laneywill do those08:09
Laneyyes, did a lot of climbing08:10
seb128Laney, thanks, that's the other thing that annoyed me, nobody did any review since thursday08:10
seb128ken is too busy08:10
seb128and you had friday busy and yesterday off08:10
seb128we need to bring more people in u-s-s ;-)08:10
Laneyho hum08:10
Laneyjhodapp wants me to update gstreamer to a snapshot too08:10
* Laney urghs08:11
seb128welcome back :p08:11
Laneyi'm guessing it's only because they are using a trunk shapshot which bumped the configure.ac requirements and it doesn't actually need it08:11
Laneybut ho hum08:11
Laneyreviews first :P08:11
seb128thanks ;-)08:13
Laneyoh look, an i-keyboard08:13
Laneyshouldn't that be hidden if I only hve one layout?08:13
seb128Laney, it should yes, that's a bug08:14
Laneyfilin' dis08:15
sil2100Mirv: hi! Do you know by any chance why those *-service packages didn't make it to -proposed?08:28
sil2100Mirv: I mean, did the services stack get redeployed and released?08:28
tsdgeosnew poppler out, with massive improvements in the backend used by the poppler-qt5 code in some particular pdf files08:30
Mirvsil2100: yes it got released08:30
tsdgeosimprovements in speed that is08:30
Mirvsil2100: it's in NEW queue08:30
Mirvsil2100: actually, just handled by probably seb12_8 or Lane_y08:31
seb128tsdgeos, 0.24.1?08:31
seb128tsdgeos, I'm going to do the update today, thanks for pointing it out08:31
Mirvjibel: hi! could you add a "Services" view to for the 'services' stack?08:34
seb128grrrr jbicha, some days I wonder if we should remove him upload rights for the desktop set08:38
sil2100What's wrong?08:38
seb128he started doing updates of some GNOME components to 3.9.9008:38
seb128e.g 3.10 cycle tarballs08:38
seb128where we said we would stay on 3.808:38
seb128that's not a decision he should be taken in an unilateral way without discussing it here first08:39
Mirvsil2100: I marked the -service tasks still undone, I want to mark them done only when I see them in release pocket08:40
jibelMirv, done and RT submitted to do the same on public instance08:42
sil2100jibel: glad to see you back ;) Morning!08:43
Mirvjibel: thanks, looks good!08:43
jibelsil2100, Thanks and good morning :)08:43
sil2100Mirv: I'll re-run platform if you don't mind09:03
seb128hum, something wants to change my /etc/init.d/networking on upgrade09:06
sil2100That's not me09:06
Laneyseb128: save /etc/init.d/network.dpkg* files; file bug09:07
sil2100Mirv: I'll fix the extra packages for indicators too09:07
seb128Laney, bug on what package?09:07
Laneyifupdown presumably09:07
sil2100Mirv: since I don't see any branch merge proposal :)09:08
Laneythat owns the file09:08
Laneyand just saw an update09:08
seb128Laney, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6031850/ is the diff09:08
* Laney nods09:08
Laneya bug with .dpkg-old and the new file should be enough09:08
seb128same diff in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/148488266/ifupdown_0.7.5ubuntu4_0.7.44ubuntu1.diff.gz09:08
seb128Laney, thanks09:08
seb128stgraber, ^ known issue?09:09
jibelsil2100, what is the status for ATI, does it stay offline or we try to restart the machine after mir tests or between each set of tests?09:09
LaneyI guess zgrep ifupdown /var/log/dpkg.log* too09:09
sil2100jibel: hm, not sure what Didier had planned, but I think it would be safer to keep it offline for now - since restarting the machine after mir tests might sound ok, but I'm afraid it might introduce additional complications09:12
seb128Laney, stgraber: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifupdown/+bug/121726309:12
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1217263 in ifupdown (Ubuntu) "conffile change prompt on upgrade" [Undecided,New]09:12
sil2100Mirv: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/extra_packages_indicators/+merge/18230509:13
Laneyseb128: ^^ see my zgrep line09:13
Laneythat's sometimes helpful to see your upgrade path09:13
seb128Laney, did you need more than " 2013-08-27 11:05:36 upgrade ifupdown:i386 0.7.5ubuntu4 0.7.44ubuntu1"09:13
seb128Laney, oh, ok, I though you were just trying to get the previous version info09:13
jibelsil2100, k09:13
Laneyit's not universal since I didn't get the prompt09:14
seb128Laney, your cmd returns 120 lines going over year, that seemed like flooding09:14
Laneyit sometimes depends on things previous versions if they did stuff to the conffile09:14
Laneyattach it in a file if it's large09:14
seb128Laney, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/148521364/upgrade.log09:15
Laneyshould be enough for Stéphane to go on ;-)09:16
seb128I've all the infos locally if he needs more09:16
BigWhaleDid Gnome really disabled middle-click paste?!09:18
BigWhaleOh, and hello everyone. :)09:18
Laneygosh, I hope so09:18
seb128BigWhale, hey, and yes, new GTK does that, but we don't have that yet in Ubuntu09:18
seb128Laney, you hate middle click to paste? ;-)09:18
Laneyso much09:19
LaneyI've never done it on purpose09:19
Laneytriple tap = middle click = accidental paste09:19
seb128touchpad users... :p09:19
sil2100Mirv: in the meantime, publishing services and some other stacks09:19
BigWhaleYou managed to triple tap by accident? :)09:19
RAOFWow. I use it all the time. At least on machines where the touchpad can distinguish triple fingers.09:19
Laneyso so many times09:20
* seb128 doesn't use touchpads09:20
Laneyyou nipple perverts09:20
BigWhaleoh triple tap = tap with three fingers09:20
LaneyI am on a one butan laptop09:20
BigWhalePeople will go crazy over this. I need popcorn. :)09:20
Mirvsil2100: ok. like I said earlier, I already queued platform rerun. indicators failed to build earlier.09:24
sil2100Mirv: you think I should publish phone stack?09:24
sil2100Mirv: since I'm not sure if there were things to release for -service packages, or maybe it's just because it wasn't in -proposed yet?09:25
seb128pitti, hey, could you help getting http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/devkit-devel/2013-August/001416.html reviewed/having a reply?09:26
sil2100Mirv: can you review the extra-packages merge?09:27
sil2100Mirv: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/extra_packages_indicators/+merge/182305 ;)09:27
pittiseb128: ah yes, can do; I was waiting for a few days for Richard, but I can do that, too09:28
seb128pitti, thanks, I just noticed that it's waiting for almost a month (well the guy just pinged back today ont he list and commented onhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1066208)09:28
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1066208 in indicator-power (Ubuntu Quantal) "power indicator shows a mouse battery as a laptop battery" [High,In progress]09:28
Mirvsil2100: I think phobe is fine not released for this tick09:30
sil2100Mirv: ok, as for indicators, I'll let the next tick handle it - once the branch gets approved and redeployed (by me)09:32
Mirvsil2100: ok. approved the extra-packages.09:33
sil2100Mirv: redeploying, thanks!09:35
Laneyjust remembered that I probably ought to make my webcam/mic work09:38
seb128that would be better for vUDS09:39
seb128or you could carry your phone around ;-)09:39
Laneyit's hard to join the hangouts then though :(09:40
Laneyseb128: can you mark https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/battery-wifi-controls/+merge/181867 with the right prerequisite?09:40
Laneywant to approve it but I'm not sure what will happen09:40
seb128Laney, done^Wstupid launchpad keeps timeouting09:42
seb128Laney, ah, worked09:42
seb128shrug, no, wait09:43
seb128oh, and of course, resubmitting eats the commit message09:44
seb128Laney, ok, there we go, you can refresh09:44
Laneysuch fun09:44
Laneycommented on a superseded one09:45
seb128Laney, "using the same interface in both directions" ... you mean writing to dbus to set the wifi on/off as well?09:51
LaneyI mean NM09:51
Laneybut that also09:51
seb128I'm not sure how much magic the libnm-glib api has09:51
Laneylike writing to NM and reading NM instead of reading QtSystems writing NM09:51
seb128but for getting the status that would be better indeed09:51
Laneyit seems to be fairly close to the dbus api09:51
seb128though "is wifi on" should really be provided by the platform09:51
seb128chrisccoulson, hey10:01
chrisccoulsonhi seb128, how are you?10:01
seb128chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks, how are you?10:01
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah, not too bad thanks10:01
seb128chrisccoulson, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1308-oxide is on schedule for today 3pm utc ... that works for you?10:01
chrisccoulsonhah :)10:02
seb128chrisccoulson, just checking ;-)10:02
seb128chrisccoulson, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/2013-08-27/display10:02
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah, i guess so, although i've had little time to prepare (public holiday yesterday)10:02
seb128chrisccoulson, would you prefer it moved to thursday 4pm utc?10:03
chrisccoulsonseb128, no, i think i'll be able to do 3pm today :)10:03
seb128ok, great10:03
seb128chrisccoulson, I guess you don't know what's the status of fixing https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/28.0.1500.95-0ubuntu2 builds btw?10:04
chrisccoulsonseb128, i don't. i've not looked at those yet10:04
seb128qengho, ^10:04
seb128chrisccoulson, don't worry, I'm going to check with qengho, he said he had a new version almost ready that should build, but that's a week now that we have the failing to build version in proposed10:05
seb128we should try to have a better turnover than a week to fix broken builds10:05
sil2100seb128: quick question - when will, for instance, dialer-app be retried to move out of -proposed into release? As the deps are now in release10:14
seb128sil2100, on next publisher run10:18
seb128which is less than half an hour10:18
seb128sil2100, OH10:19
seb128sil2100, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html10:19
seb128dialer-app/i386 unsatisfiable Depends: qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-history-plugin10:19
seb128dialer-app/i386 unsatisfiable Depends: qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-telephony-plugin10:19
seb128sil2100, we need to fix dialer-app to use the right naming10:19
seb128e.g -ubuntu-history0.110:19
seb128not -plugin10:19
seb128same of telephony10:19
sil2100seb128: right, sorry, I missed the naming change10:24
seb128sil2100, I can mp the fix if you want, was just doing it10:24
sil2100seb128: thanks!10:24
sil2100I'll approve10:25
sil2100Suuucks though, but maybe we'll make it for this tick10:25
sil2100seb128: all because I pushed the rdeps first... ;)10:26
sil2100pstolowski, Mirv: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/unity-scope-home/remove_openweather/+merge/18233410:27
sil2100Mirv: and for you an additional https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/remove_openweathermap/+merge/18233510:27
seb128sil2100, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/dialer-app/update-depends-for-rename/+merge/18234210:28
sil2100seb128: thanks, approved10:32
seb128sil2100, thanks10:32
seb128sil2100, when is the next tick? or do you plan to retry that stack?10:32
seb128sil2100, urg, lot of yellow/red in the stack10:34
seb128network and phone are yellow, is anyone looking at those?10:34
seb128oh, they just run10:34
sil2100seb128: we're still not looking as stacks are still running10:36
sil2100Most of them10:36
seb128sil2100, right, I just saw that ;-)10:36
seb128sil2100, I guess next dialer-app build is going to be in 4 hours then?10:40
sil2100seb128: I'll check, but we can do a re-run earlier10:48
sil2100seb128: btw. can you ACK https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/QA/job/cu2d-qa-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_autopilot_1.3.1+13.10.20130827-0ubuntu1.diff ?10:48
seb128sil2100, +110:48
seb128asac, ^10:48
seb128yw ;-)10:48
sil2100seb128: btw. messaging-app is clean? i.e. it doesn't require the same rename?10:51
seb128sil2100, looking10:51
sil2100seb128: since we'll make it for this tick10:51
sil2100seb128: since phone stack is still waiting for other stacks to finish ;)10:51
sil2100So, if it lands soon, we'll have it released10:51
seb128sil2100, it needs the same fix, doing it10:52
seb128sil2100, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/messaging-app/update-depends-for-rename/+merge/18234910:53
sil2100seb128: approved, fingers crossed that we'll make it10:56
seb128let's see10:56
tsdgeosoverrid_dh_install in a rules file is a typo, right?11:00
ogra_sounds like one11:01
Laneythe accountsservice stuff works11:01
Laneyafter fixing a series of stupid errors...11:02
mlankhorstg'day mate11:11
sil2100seb128: eh, autolanding for the messaging-app failed ;/11:21
seb128sil2100, thanks11:23
tsdgeospitti: since you're talking about keymaps, do you know what do i have to do so that the combination Fn+toggle monitor in my laptop actually produces XF_TOGGLE_MONITOR (or whatever is the correct name) isntead of Windows+Enter+s+p keypresses?12:08
tsdgeosall the other Fn keys work expect this one :D12:09
pittitsdgeos: sorry, that's the second-most stupid thing ever12:09
seb128that's an old known issue afaik12:09
seb128oem hacked that key for win12:09
pittitsdgeos: Micro$oft forced that into the BIOS specification as apparently they were too lazy to handle that properly12:09
pittitsdgeos: i. e. it's hardwired, you can't change it12:09
pitti(or maybe in some ACPI tables)12:09
seb128tjaalton, mlankhorst: libx11 libxcb libxi libxkbcommon libxrandr libxres libxvmc are outdated in saucy compared to upstream/debian ... is that wanted? (most of those seem a minor version behind, and in some cases it's mostly bug fixes it seems)12:37
mlankhorstseb128: I tried uploading libx11 but that one seems to crash in w3m somewhere12:37
mlankhorstI tried debugging why, didn't get very far :/12:37
seb128k, that might be the hardest one in the list :p12:38
* Laney is in binding loop hell12:38
seb128e.g libxrandr has some security fixes (that mdeslaur backported) and a bug fix12:38
seb128Laney, those are annoying :/12:38
mlankhorstI think the security team did handle all security fixes12:38
Laneyah maybe I can fix it on the C++ side12:41
mlankhorstseb128: I'll toss it in the ppa and see what builds :P12:42
Laneyah yes that fixed it12:45
LaneyI was emitting the changed signal too often12:45
mlankhorstnow that's changed it works? :P12:45
mlankhorstseb128: is it ok if I kill off the .txt documentation entirely for libx11? I have no idea about what's causing the bug..12:54
Laneydo you know what the offending file is?12:55
Laneyyou could check its diff12:55
seb128mlankhorst, I don't know, but seems like we should rather not upgrade if it's creating issues, there is no real reasons we need to update12:56
seb128I was mostly asking for those since some seem bug fix updates that might be nice to get in this cycle12:56
mlankhorstLaney: it's really some w3m internal issue, I tried tracing it down and it doesn't occur in valgrind for example :/12:56
mlankhorstseb128: well I want to upgrade it for some fixes that were reported by xorg-integration-tests12:57
Laneyyes, so if you find the diff that exposes the problem you have a nice example to forward and also to work around the problem12:57
mlankhorstI can't even reliable trigger it12:59
mlankhorstexcept on the builders it seems12:59
mlankhorsthm libxi and libxcb can't be copied directly, would need a branch for now, or have the upstream changes integrated. but it doesn't look like the delta with those 2 are important.13:08
mlankhorstxkbcommon looks like it could be copied directly, xrandr seems to have a patch that is upstream but not in debian yet, need to carry that.13:13
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mlankhorstlibxres could be updated too, but the new release was just an autotools thing + security updates..13:17
mlankhorstsame with libxvmc13:18
mlankhorstso all in all, only libxcb, libxkbcommon and libx11 would be useful to backport..13:21
mlankhorstis there any package depending on libxkbcommon?13:22
seb128mlankhorst, gtk weston mir13:25
mlankhorstI've added it to my list to look at, probably will fix it tomorrow :)13:26
sil2100seb128: published phone, the components should be unblocked now13:28
seb128sil2100, great!13:29
seb128pitti, do you plan to backport http://cgit.freedesktop.org/upower/commit/?id=07b95b8e27e7c488828c46a28df96f1c83b185c8?13:29
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Sweetsha1kcatfish postinst having issues with invalid syntax in FSM.py (Flying Spaghetti Monster?). Is that a known issue?13:34
pittiseb128: yes, I do; our upower pacakge currently has Seth's original patch13:34
sil2100Mirv: you think it's safe to publish the Apps stack without WebApps?13:34
seb128pitti, oh ok, good13:34
pittiseb128: so it's not urgent, but I think I fixed it in a more elegant way (and in a way which doesn't cuase the test suite to encounter CRITICALs13:34
seb128pitti, mpt hit a bug on friday that I though might have been the same issue, but maybe it's not13:35
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seb128pitti, he had the battery charge level as NaN and we do remainingCapacity/maxCapacity to calculate the %13:35
pittisorry, need to run out to the market to buy some food before vUDS, brb13:36
seb128so I though maybe it was upower return some null values, which seemed somewhat similar to that bug13:36
seb128pitti, ttyl!13:36
Mirvsil2100: I think, WebApps had a successful release last evening and there is not much in terms of dependencies13:44
sil2100Releasing then, thanks13:46
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seb128Laney, did you see that your mp has a conflict as well as the missing commit message?14:13
Laneyjust pushed14:13
seb128going to review in a bit14:14
Laneyduring vuds, brave ;-)14:14
chrisccoulsonbah, just tried to open a webkit build log in firefox14:14
seb128oh, jono's intro ... it's like security instructions in plane, I stopped listening to those a long time ago14:14
seb128chrisccoulson, your firefox is frozen for a minute now? ;-)14:14
chrisccoulsonseb128, longer than a minute so far14:15
chrisccoulsonstarting to think about killing it ;)14:15
Laneyseb128: there's a sabdfl keynote too ;-)14:15
seb128Laney, yeah, I noticed that on the title, that's why I've jono's comment running in background :p14:16
sabdfllocked and loaded... but can take hints & tips on IRC ;)14:16
* Laney tests hangouts14:16
seb128sabdfl, hey ;-)14:18
seb128sabdfl, hint: "make sure you mic is working an non muted" :p14:18
sabdflack, tak :)14:18
Sweetsharkseb128: I just pushed LO 4.1.1~rc2 to the PPAs (the general ones and the 4.1.x one). I assume it to be declared final upstream in two days. So we might try to get a 4.1.1 release into saucy at the same time as upstream ;)14:21
seb128Sweetshark, great!14:22
seb128Laney, what?14:25
Laneystill no mic14:26
mlankhorstSweetshark: hah I'll beat you with mesa 9.2 :P14:43
mlankhorstwell probably not because it requires copying llvm 3.3 from universe to main14:43
mlankhorstbut still!14:43
czajkowskiSweetshark: on saucy when you open a document and go to the file or edit tab or any of them, can you see any of the text the first time?  I know if I close the menu and go back to it I see text but never on the first time14:45
Sweetsharkczajkowski: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/120459214:46
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1204592 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice unity menus populate sluggishly the first time" [Medium,Triaged]14:46
Laneyoh well14:52
Laneynexus 7 it is :|14:52
czajkowskiSweetshark: bah medium :p14:52
Sweetsharkmlankhorst: oh, I was mostly kidding. I dont want to dump a libreoffice build into main which hasnt seen testing in the ppa for a few days. And the ARM build still takes ~30 hours ...14:53
czajkowskiSweetshark: I swear you do some sort of magiv antivoodoo to your PPAs14:55
Sweetsharkczajkowski: how so?14:56
czajkowski30 hours :)14:57
mlankhorsthe never leaves the builds running unattented either!14:58
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Sweetsharkczajkowski: thats not a ppa build. that was the build in -proposed: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:4.1.0-2ubuntu1/+build/4845479 . Also notes that this was the second try, on the first build gcc failed with an internal compiler error (giving me almost a heart attack).14:59
Sweetsharkczajkowski: the second build had no issues. So likely gcc was just exhausted the first time around.14:59
czajkowskiI'm not LP any more so it's fine :)15:01
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Sweetsharkmlankhorst: of course not! I can tell you dancing around the builder exstactally with a shamans mask and chanting kumbayaas to Ada Lovelace, Alan Turing and the other great ghosts of computation gets tiresome after 30 hours.15:05
mlankhorstthat's why you stop at 30 :-)15:09
sam113101is this the channel of one hundred paper cuts?15:10
seb128kenvandine, hey15:12
kenvandinehey seb12815:12
seb128kenvandine, do you know if somebody from webapps want to join the oxide session?15:12
kenvandinealex-abreu, ^^15:12
seb128kenvandine, alex-abreu: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21932/client-1308-oxide/15:12
kenvandinealex-abreu, you would probably have the best input there15:13
seb128alex-abreu, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/78ddd832135a6ec210e7fa014ac7d2b560b35935?authuser=0&hl=fr15:13
seb128alex-abreu, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/78ddd832135a6ec210e7fa014ac7d2b560b35935?authuser=015:13
seb128(if you don't want the french version)15:13
seb128Mirv, ^ maybe as well?15:14
alex-abreuah it has started!15:14
seb128alex-abreu, yes, please join the hangout ;-)15:15
alex-abreusorry thought it was 1 hour from now15:15
seb128alex-abreu, coming? should we wait for you?15:16
Mirvseb128: in the daily process session15:16
seb128Mirv, ok, fine15:16
seb128alex-abreu, thanks15:17
sam113101is this the channel of one hundred paper cuts?15:17
seb128sam113101, I don't think there is a specific channel for those15:18
seb128you can discuss desktop issues here15:18
sam113101there are so many channels15:19
sam113101where do I find the "papercuts" to fix?15:22
sam113101I want to get involved15:22
seb128sam113101, try asking on #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-motu maybe15:24
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seb128sam113101, you have the bug list on https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/15:24
sam113101seb128: thanks15:25
mlankhorstseb128: meeting time? :P15:32
seb128mlankhorst, no meeting, read your emails :p15:32
seb128mlankhorst, vUDS ongoing15:32
mlankhorstg2g for a bit :/15:33
seb128TheMuso, hey, are you going to lead  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1308-touch-1404-a11y in one hour? who is joining for the session?16:54
rickspencer3bcurtiswx, you still in DC area?17:00
TheMusoseb128: I will be leading, yes. I don't know who else will be joining, but I did put out feelers in the Mir/Unity 8 teams with Pat's help to try and get some people along to attend who can advise etc.17:00
seb128TheMuso, ok, thanks17:01
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seb128cyphermox, hey, libcolumbus is stucked in saucy-proposed for some weeks because its soname changed and unity-lens-applications needs to be rebuilt with it ... is that on your todolist?18:22
cyphermoxseb128: yes, it's on my todo18:39
seb128cyphermox, great, thank you18:40
seb128sil2100, cyphermox: the indicator stack is unhappy because of a new package, can you fix that?18:49
seb128"/var/log/upstart/otto-setup.log: +gnome-control-center-datetime"18:50
cyphermoxI wish people would stop landing new dependencies18:50
seb128sil2100, cyphermox: tedg split out the control panel so we don't bring g-c-c in the touch image18:50
sil2100cyphermox, kenvandine, robru, Mirv: I'll be archiving this weeks tasks in the spreadsheet now19:28
robrusil2100, ok19:29
kenvandinesil2100, thanks19:45
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TheMusojbicha, darkxst, is there any good reason why saucy shouldn't get evince 3.9/3.10? I'd like evince 3.9/3.10 because its got better accessibility support, particularly caret/document navigation with cursor keys.20:34
darkxstTheMuso, provided it doesnt require gtk 3.10 it should be ok21:09
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TheMusodarkxst: No it doesn't, it builds against GTK 3.8 without issue.21:29
seb128TheMuso, looking through the NEWS, updating evince seems to be ok21:37
TheMusoseb128: Thats what I thought, but was just checking to see whether anybody else had a good reason to hold it back.21:42
seb128TheMuso, +1 from me for updating, thanks for checking21:43
seb128jbicha, hey, if you plan to update other components to 3.10 please discuss those here before uploading21:44
jbichaseb128: yes I will21:48
TheMusoWhat is the rule of thumb with regards to updating a package in the archive based on a PPA package, shoudl I leave the PPA changelog entries in place, or should I combine them into a single entry?21:48
TheMusoOr somethign else?21:48
seb128pitti, good morning (guess you are going to read that tomorrow), could you look at,label=adt/console ?21:49
seb128pitti, not sure what's going on, that's blocking the new cairo but I'm not sure it's a cairo issue...21:49
jbichaTheMuso: either keeping the ppa changelog entries or rewriting them into a single changlog entry is fine21:51
TheMusoOk, I'll keep them.21:51
jbichaI assume you know about passing -v to debuild to include all the new changelog entries21:58
TheMusoYes I do.22:01
TheMusoIts so damn easy to forget.22:01
TheMusoI've forgotten with many a merge.22:01
TheMusoParticularly if I am working with bzr builddeb or git buildpackage. :)22:01
robrucyphermox, Mirv: can one of you confirm that looks like it is caused by a missing dependency on ubuntu-ui-toolkit-theme? That's the package that provides that file in the error23:47
cyphermoxrobru: looking23:49
robruI'm just trying to reproduce it in pbuilder...23:49
cyphermoxwhat's the code branch for ubuntu-ui-toolkit-theme?23:49
cyphermoxanyway, rather than fixing it ourselves, we should throw it back to the unity7 team23:50
cyphermoxunity8 I mean23:50
robrucyphermox, really? I thought we were supposed to fix simple dep problems...23:50
robrucyphermox, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk23:51
cyphermoxrobru: packaging problems, yes23:52
cyphermoxcode errors, I'd say no23:52
cyphermoxwell, you know, with reason23:52
robruwell the test failure is due to a missing file, and that missing file is provided by a pakcage that i don't see listed as a depin debian/control23:53
cyphermoxwell then :)23:53
robrucyphermox, the part i'm not sure about is that i thought maybe the dep might get pulled in indirectly by something else23:53
robruand i'm not sure how to check for that. i'd be annoyed if i added this dep and it didn't fix the problem.23:53
cyphermoxseems like it should be23:54
cyphermoxor you know, picked by something else23:54
cyphermox^ the package does get installed23:54
cyphermoxrunning the stuff in sbuild / pbuilder will tell you, it would be in the depends23:55
cyphermoxas it's not really a library thing, I'd expect it to be listed explicitly23:55
cyphermoxbut then, I don't know why it doesn't work if the package in included on the container23:55
robrucyphermox, hmmm, it is being installed. then i have no idea why the test fails to find it23:56
robrucyphermox, ok, I'll file a bug i guess23:57

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