[03:41] <pitti> Good morning
[03:44] <Mirv> morning
[04:38] <pitti> RAOF, robert_ancell: ah, yay for xmir xrandr!
[04:38] <pitti> now I can actually use it \o/ (running from PPA now)
[04:38] <pitti> but it's really sluggish, especially in weechat but also in firefox
[04:40] <robert_ancell> pitti, all thanks for RAOF! yeah, there's a known problem with lag when using two monitors
[04:40] <robert_ancell> pitti, does the lag go away when using one monitor?
[04:40] <pitti> ah, known? good; I'm going to report the wrong default resolution
[04:40] <pitti> robert_ancell: I disabled the internal panel, I only have my external DVI on
[04:41] <robert_ancell> pitti, oh interesting - that's a good point to note. I'll find you the bug number
[04:41] <pitti> I need to rearrange things a bit to test it with the laptop only, can do
[04:41] <pitti> ah, bug 1216224, someone else got it as well
[04:41] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1216224 in XMir "[multimonitor] XMir defaults to wrong resolution 1152x864 instead of 1920x1200." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1216224
[04:43] <robert_ancell> pitti, does bug 1216472 sound like your case?
[04:43] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1216472 in Mir "xmir multimonitor Frames eventually get slightly out of order, look like glitches or typing will feel slow" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1216472
[04:43] <pitti> robert_ancell: could be; typing in weechat feels like a 300ms lag ssh connection
[04:44] <robert_ancell> pitti, that sounds like what I've seen here
[04:44] <pitti> and mouse wheel scrolling in firefox causes a lot of flicker in the lower third
[04:44] <pitti> robert_ancell: ok, so it's consistent
[04:44] <pitti> robert_ancell: I'll  check with LVDS only, too
[04:57] <Mirv> pitti: if you have a moment, this morning's ack-needed would be gallery-app adding a dependency http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6031287/ and ubuntu-keyboard adding autopilot package http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6031288/
[04:57] <Mirv> (a peek at the latter at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+sourcepub/3447670/+listing-archive-extra - I was interested in checking how the autopilot package turned out)
[04:58] <pitti> Mirv: gallery-app ack
[04:59] <pitti> Mirv: ubuntu-keyboard ack (argh more py2 stuff, but that's due to autopilot)
[04:59] <Mirv> pitti: thanks... and right, that's unfortunate
[07:15] <sil2100> Morning!
[07:15] <sil2100> Mirv: hi! How's the nvidia machine today?
[07:16] <sil2100> Ah, I see it's fixed now
[07:40] <Mirv> sil2100: hi! I wasn't sure what's up with it, but yes it seemed to be running smoothly :)
[07:45] <Mirv> queued rerun of platform + mirslave tests, seem random
[08:03] <Laney> morning
[08:07] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:08] <sil2100> Morning
[08:08] <sil2100> Mirv: I guess it was fixed when the container got updated
[08:09] <sil2100> Or maybe cyphermox somehow resolved it
[08:09] <Laney> hello seb128
[08:09] <Laney> how's it going?
[08:09] <seb128> hey Laney sil2100
[08:09] <Mirv> mornig seb128, Laney
[08:09] <seb128> Laney, good mostly, would be better without vUDS though (too much to do)
[08:09] <seb128> hey Mirv
[08:09] <Laney> mmm
[08:09] <Laney> I see there are lots of s-s reviews
[08:09] <seb128> Laney, you? had a good long w.e?
[08:09] <Laney> will do those
[08:10] <Laney> yes, did a lot of climbing
[08:10] <seb128> Laney, thanks, that's the other thing that annoyed me, nobody did any review since thursday
[08:10] <seb128> ken is too busy
[08:10] <seb128> and you had friday busy and yesterday off
[08:10] <seb128> we need to bring more people in u-s-s ;-)
[08:10] <Laney> yeah
[08:10] <Laney> ho hum
[08:10] <Laney> jhodapp wants me to update gstreamer to a snapshot too
[08:11]  * Laney urghs
[08:11] <seb128> welcome back :p
[08:11] <Laney> i'm guessing it's only because they are using a trunk shapshot which bumped the configure.ac requirements and it doesn't actually need it
[08:11] <Laney> but ho hum
[08:11] <Laney> reviews first :P
[08:13] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[08:13] <Laney> oh look, an i-keyboard
[08:13] <Laney> shouldn't that be hidden if I only hve one layout?
[08:14] <seb128> Laney, it should yes, that's a bug
[08:15] <Laney> filin' dis
[08:28] <sil2100> Mirv: hi! Do you know by any chance why those *-service packages didn't make it to -proposed?
[08:28] <sil2100> Mirv: I mean, did the services stack get redeployed and released?
[08:30] <tsdgeos> new poppler out, with massive improvements in the backend used by the poppler-qt5 code in some particular pdf files
[08:30] <Mirv> sil2100: yes it got released
[08:30] <tsdgeos> improvements in speed that is
[08:30] <Mirv> sil2100: it's in NEW queue
[08:31] <Mirv> sil2100: actually, just handled by probably seb12_8 or Lane_y
[08:31] <seb128> tsdgeos, 0.24.1?
[08:31] <tsdgeos> yep
[08:31] <seb128> tsdgeos, I'm going to do the update today, thanks for pointing it out
[08:32] <tsdgeos> cool
[08:34] <Mirv> jibel: hi! could you add a "Services" view to http://10.97.0.1:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/ for the 'services' stack?
[08:38] <seb128> grrrr jbicha, some days I wonder if we should remove him upload rights for the desktop set
[08:38] <sil2100> :D
[08:38] <sil2100> What's wrong?
[08:38] <seb128> he started doing updates of some GNOME components to 3.9.90
[08:38] <seb128> e.g 3.10 cycle tarballs
[08:38] <seb128> where we said we would stay on 3.8
[08:39] <seb128> that's not a decision he should be taken in an unilateral way without discussing it here first
[08:40] <Mirv> sil2100: I marked the -service tasks still undone, I want to mark them done only when I see them in release pocket
[08:41] <sil2100> ACK
[08:42] <jibel> Mirv, done and RT submitted to do the same on public instance
[08:43] <sil2100> jibel: glad to see you back ;) Morning!
[08:43] <Mirv> jibel: thanks, looks good!
[08:43] <jibel> sil2100, Thanks and good morning :)
[09:03] <sil2100> Mirv: I'll re-run platform if you don't mind
[09:06] <seb128> hum, something wants to change my /etc/init.d/networking on upgrade
[09:06] <sil2100> That's not me
[09:07] <Laney> seb128: save /etc/init.d/network.dpkg* files; file bug
[09:07] <sil2100> Mirv: I'll fix the extra packages for indicators too
[09:07] <seb128> Laney, bug on what package?
[09:07] <Laney> ifupdown presumably
[09:08] <sil2100> Mirv: since I don't see any branch merge proposal :)
[09:08] <Laney> that owns the file
[09:08] <Laney> and just saw an update
[09:08] <seb128> Laney, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6031850/ is the diff
[09:08]  * Laney nods
[09:08] <Laney> a bug with .dpkg-old and the new file should be enough
[09:08] <seb128> same diff in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/148488266/ifupdown_0.7.5ubuntu4_0.7.44ubuntu1.diff.gz
[09:08] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[09:09] <seb128> stgraber, ^ known issue?
[09:09] <jibel> sil2100, what is the status for ATI, does it stay offline or we try to restart the machine after mir tests or between each set of tests?
[09:09] <Laney> I guess zgrep ifupdown /var/log/dpkg.log* too
[09:12] <sil2100> jibel: hm, not sure what Didier had planned, but I think it would be safer to keep it offline for now - since restarting the machine after mir tests might sound ok, but I'm afraid it might introduce additional complications
[09:12] <seb128> Laney, stgraber: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifupdown/+bug/1217263
[09:12] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1217263 in ifupdown (Ubuntu) "conffile change prompt on upgrade" [Undecided,New]
[09:13] <sil2100> Mirv: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/extra_packages_indicators/+merge/182305
[09:13] <Laney> seb128: ^^ see my zgrep line
[09:13] <Laney> that's sometimes helpful to see your upgrade path
[09:13] <seb128> Laney, did you need more than " 2013-08-27 11:05:36 upgrade ifupdown:i386 0.7.5ubuntu4 0.7.44ubuntu1"
[09:13] <seb128> Laney, oh, ok, I though you were just trying to get the previous version info
[09:13] <jibel> sil2100, k
[09:13] <Laney> nope
[09:14] <Laney> it's not universal since I didn't get the prompt
[09:14] <seb128> Laney, your cmd returns 120 lines going over year, that seemed like flooding
[09:14] <Laney> it sometimes depends on things previous versions if they did stuff to the conffile
[09:14] <Laney> attach it in a file if it's large
[09:15] <seb128> Laney, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/148521364/upgrade.log
[09:15] <Laney> ty
[09:16] <Laney> should be enough for Stéphane to go on ;-)
[09:16] <seb128> I've all the infos locally if he needs more
[09:18] <BigWhale> Did Gnome really disabled middle-click paste?!
[09:18] <BigWhale> Oh, and hello everyone. :)
[09:18] <Laney> gosh, I hope so
[09:18] <seb128> BigWhale, hey, and yes, new GTK does that, but we don't have that yet in Ubuntu
[09:18] <seb128> Laney, you hate middle click to paste? ;-)
[09:19] <Laney> so much
[09:19] <Laney> I've never done it on purpose
[09:19] <Laney> triple tap = middle click = accidental paste
[09:19] <seb128> touchpad users... :p
[09:19] <sil2100> Mirv: in the meantime, publishing services and some other stacks
[09:19] <BigWhale> You managed to triple tap by accident? :)
[09:19] <RAOF> Wow. I use it all the time. At least on machines where the touchpad can distinguish triple fingers.
[09:20] <Laney> so so many times
[09:20]  * seb128 doesn't use touchpads
[09:20] <Laney> you nipple perverts
[09:20] <BigWhale> oh triple tap = tap with three fingers
[09:20] <seb128> ;-)
[09:20] <Laney> yeah
[09:20] <Laney> I am on a one butan laptop
[09:20] <BigWhale> People will go crazy over this. I need popcorn. :)
[09:24] <Mirv> sil2100: ok. like I said earlier, I already queued platform rerun. indicators failed to build earlier.
[09:24] <sil2100> Mirv: you think I should publish phone stack?
[09:25] <sil2100> Mirv: since I'm not sure if there were things to release for -service packages, or maybe it's just because it wasn't in -proposed yet?
[09:26] <seb128> pitti, hey, could you help getting http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/devkit-devel/2013-August/001416.html reviewed/having a reply?
[09:27] <sil2100> Mirv: can you review the extra-packages merge?
[09:27] <sil2100> Mirv: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/extra_packages_indicators/+merge/182305 ;)
[09:28] <pitti> seb128: ah yes, can do; I was waiting for a few days for Richard, but I can do that, too
[09:28] <seb128> pitti, thanks, I just noticed that it's waiting for almost a month (well the guy just pinged back today ont he list and commented onhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1066208)
[09:28] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1066208 in indicator-power (Ubuntu Quantal) "power indicator shows a mouse battery as a laptop battery" [High,In progress]
[09:30] <Mirv> sil2100: I think phobe is fine not released for this tick
[09:32] <sil2100> Mirv: ok, as for indicators, I'll let the next tick handle it - once the branch gets approved and redeployed (by me)
[09:33] <Mirv> sil2100: ok. approved the extra-packages.
[09:35] <sil2100> Mirv: redeploying, thanks!
[09:38] <Laney> just remembered that I probably ought to make my webcam/mic work
[09:39] <seb128> that would be better for vUDS
[09:39] <seb128> or you could carry your phone around ;-)
[09:40] <Laney> it's hard to join the hangouts then though :(
[09:40] <Laney> seb128: can you mark https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/battery-wifi-controls/+merge/181867 with the right prerequisite?
[09:40] <Laney> want to approve it but I'm not sure what will happen
[09:42] <seb128> Laney, done^Wstupid launchpad keeps timeouting
[09:42] <seb128> Laney, ah, worked
[09:43] <seb128> shrug, no, wait
[09:43] <Laney> LAUNCHPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[09:44] <seb128> oh, and of course, resubmitting eats the commit message
[09:44] <seb128> Laney, ok, there we go, you can refresh
[09:44] <Laney> such fun
[09:44] <Laney> thanks
[09:45] <Laney> oops
[09:45] <Laney> commented on a superseded one
[09:51] <seb128> Laney, "using the same interface in both directions" ... you mean writing to dbus to set the wifi on/off as well?
[09:51] <Laney> I mean NM
[09:51] <Laney> but that also
[09:51] <seb128> I'm not sure how much magic the libnm-glib api has
[09:51] <Laney> like writing to NM and reading NM instead of reading QtSystems writing NM
[09:51] <Laney> IYSWIM
[09:51] <seb128> but for getting the status that would be better indeed
[09:51] <Laney> it seems to be fairly close to the dbus api
[09:51] <seb128> though "is wifi on" should really be provided by the platform
[10:01] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey
[10:01] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, how are you?
[10:01] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks, how are you?
[10:01] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks
[10:01] <seb128> chrisccoulson, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1308-oxide is on schedule for today 3pm utc ... that works for you?
[10:02] <chrisccoulson> hah :)
[10:02] <seb128> chrisccoulson, just checking ;-)
[10:02] <seb128> chrisccoulson, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/2013-08-27/display
[10:02] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i guess so, although i've had little time to prepare (public holiday yesterday)
[10:03] <seb128> chrisccoulson, would you prefer it moved to thursday 4pm utc?
[10:03] <chrisccoulson> seb128, no, i think i'll be able to do 3pm today :)
[10:03] <seb128> ok, great
[10:04] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I guess you don't know what's the status of fixing https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/28.0.1500.95-0ubuntu2 builds btw?
[10:04] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i don't. i've not looked at those yet
[10:04] <seb128> qengho, ^
[10:05] <seb128> chrisccoulson, don't worry, I'm going to check with qengho, he said he had a new version almost ready that should build, but that's a week now that we have the failing to build version in proposed
[10:05] <seb128> we should try to have a better turnover than a week to fix broken builds
[10:14] <sil2100> seb128: quick question - when will, for instance, dialer-app be retried to move out of -proposed into release? As the deps are now in release
[10:18] <seb128> sil2100, on next publisher run
[10:18] <seb128> which is less than half an hour
[10:19] <seb128> sil2100, OH
[10:19] <seb128> sil2100, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[10:19] <seb128> dialer-app/i386 unsatisfiable Depends: qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-history-plugin
[10:19] <seb128> dialer-app/i386 unsatisfiable Depends: qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-telephony-plugin
[10:19] <seb128> sil2100, we need to fix dialer-app to use the right naming
[10:19] <seb128> e.g -ubuntu-history0.1
[10:19] <seb128> not -plugin
[10:19] <seb128> same of telephony
[10:24] <sil2100> Ah!
[10:24] <sil2100> seb128: right, sorry, I missed the naming change
[10:24] <seb128> sil2100, I can mp the fix if you want, was just doing it
[10:24] <sil2100> seb128: thanks!
[10:25] <sil2100> I'll approve
[10:25] <sil2100> Suuucks though, but maybe we'll make it for this tick
[10:26] <sil2100> seb128: all because I pushed the rdeps first... ;)
[10:27] <sil2100> pstolowski, Mirv: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/unity-scope-home/remove_openweather/+merge/182334
[10:27] <sil2100> Mirv: and for you an additional https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/remove_openweathermap/+merge/182335
[10:28] <seb128> sil2100, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/dialer-app/update-depends-for-rename/+merge/182342
[10:32] <sil2100> seb128: thanks, approved
[10:32] <seb128> sil2100, thanks
[10:32] <seb128> sil2100, when is the next tick? or do you plan to retry that stack?
[10:34] <seb128> sil2100, urg, lot of yellow/red in the stack
[10:34] <seb128> network and phone are yellow, is anyone looking at those?
[10:34] <seb128> oh, they just run
[10:36] <sil2100> seb128: we're still not looking as stacks are still running
[10:36] <sil2100> Most of them
[10:36] <seb128> sil2100, right, I just saw that ;-)
[10:36] <sil2100> :)
[10:40] <seb128> sil2100, I guess next dialer-app build is going to be in 4 hours then?
[10:48] <sil2100> seb128: I'll check, but we can do a re-run earlier
[10:48] <sil2100> seb128: btw. can you ACK https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/QA/job/cu2d-qa-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_autopilot_1.3.1+13.10.20130827-0ubuntu1.diff ?
[10:48] <seb128> sil2100, +1
[10:48] <seb128> asac, ^
[10:48] <asac> thx
[10:48] <asac> !
[10:48] <asac> :)
[10:48] <seb128> yw ;-)
[10:49] <sil2100> \o/
[10:49] <sil2100> Publishing!
[10:51] <sil2100> seb128: btw. messaging-app is clean? i.e. it doesn't require the same rename?
[10:51] <seb128> sil2100, looking
[10:51] <sil2100> seb128: since we'll make it for this tick
[10:51] <sil2100> seb128: since phone stack is still waiting for other stacks to finish ;)
[10:51] <sil2100> So, if it lands soon, we'll have it released
[10:52] <seb128> sil2100, it needs the same fix, doing it
[10:53] <seb128> sil2100, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/messaging-app/update-depends-for-rename/+merge/182349
[10:56] <sil2100> seb128: approved, fingers crossed that we'll make it
[10:56] <seb128> let's see
[11:00] <tsdgeos> guys
[11:00] <tsdgeos> overrid_dh_install in a rules file is a typo, right?
[11:01] <ogra_> sounds like one
[11:01] <Laney> yay!
[11:01] <Laney> the accountsservice stuff works
[11:02] <Laney> after fixing a series of stupid errors...
[11:09] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:11] <mlankhorst> g'day mate
[11:21] <sil2100> seb128: eh, autolanding for the messaging-app failed ;/
[11:21] <sil2100> Re-approving
[11:23] <seb128> sil2100, thanks
[12:08] <tsdgeos> pitti: since you're talking about keymaps, do you know what do i have to do so that the combination Fn+toggle monitor in my laptop actually produces XF_TOGGLE_MONITOR (or whatever is the correct name) isntead of Windows+Enter+s+p keypresses?
[12:09] <tsdgeos> all the other Fn keys work expect this one :D
[12:09] <pitti> tsdgeos: sorry, that's the second-most stupid thing ever
[12:09] <seb128> that's an old known issue afaik
[12:09] <seb128> oem hacked that key for win
[12:09] <pitti> tsdgeos: Micro$oft forced that into the BIOS specification as apparently they were too lazy to handle that properly
[12:09] <pitti> tsdgeos: i. e. it's hardwired, you can't change it
[12:09] <pitti> (or maybe in some ACPI tables)
[12:10] <tsdgeos> oh
[12:10] <tsdgeos> sad
[12:10] <tsdgeos> lunch!
[12:37] <seb128> tjaalton, mlankhorst: libx11 libxcb libxi libxkbcommon libxrandr libxres libxvmc are outdated in saucy compared to upstream/debian ... is that wanted? (most of those seem a minor version behind, and in some cases it's mostly bug fixes it seems)
[12:37] <mlankhorst> seb128: I tried uploading libx11 but that one seems to crash in w3m somewhere
[12:37] <mlankhorst> I tried debugging why, didn't get very far :/
[12:38] <seb128> k, that might be the hardest one in the list :p
[12:38]  * Laney is in binding loop hell
[12:38] <seb128> e.g libxrandr has some security fixes (that mdeslaur backported) and a bug fix
[12:38] <seb128> Laney, those are annoying :/
[12:38] <mlankhorst> I think the security team did handle all security fixes
[12:41] <Laney> ah maybe I can fix it on the C++ side
[12:42] <mlankhorst> seb128: I'll toss it in the ppa and see what builds :P
[12:45] <Laney> ah yes that fixed it
[12:45] <Laney> I was emitting the changed signal too often
[12:45] <mlankhorst> now that's changed it works? :P
[12:54] <mlankhorst> seb128: is it ok if I kill off the .txt documentation entirely for libx11? I have no idea about what's causing the bug..
[12:55] <Laney> do you know what the offending file is?
[12:55] <Laney> you could check its diff
[12:56] <seb128> mlankhorst, I don't know, but seems like we should rather not upgrade if it's creating issues, there is no real reasons we need to update
[12:56] <seb128> I was mostly asking for those since some seem bug fix updates that might be nice to get in this cycle
[12:56] <mlankhorst> Laney: it's really some w3m internal issue, I tried tracing it down and it doesn't occur in valgrind for example :/
[12:57] <mlankhorst> seb128: well I want to upgrade it for some fixes that were reported by xorg-integration-tests
[12:57] <Laney> yes, so if you find the diff that exposes the problem you have a nice example to forward and also to work around the problem
[12:59] <Laney> lunchies
[12:59] <mlankhorst> I can't even reliable trigger it
[12:59] <mlankhorst> except on the builders it seems
[13:08] <mlankhorst> hm libxi and libxcb can't be copied directly, would need a branch for now, or have the upstream changes integrated. but it doesn't look like the delta with those 2 are important.
[13:13] <mlankhorst> xkbcommon looks like it could be copied directly, xrandr seems to have a patch that is upstream but not in debian yet, need to carry that.
[13:17] <mlankhorst> libxres could be updated too, but the new release was just an autotools thing + security updates..
[13:18] <mlankhorst> same with libxvmc
[13:21] <mlankhorst> so all in all, only libxcb, libxkbcommon and libx11 would be useful to backport..
[13:22] <mlankhorst> is there any package depending on libxkbcommon?
[13:25] <seb128> mlankhorst, gtk weston mir
[13:26] <mlankhorst> I've added it to my list to look at, probably will fix it tomorrow :)
[13:28] <sil2100> seb128: published phone, the components should be unblocked now
[13:29] <seb128> sil2100, great!
[13:29] <seb128> pitti, do you plan to backport http://cgit.freedesktop.org/upower/commit/?id=07b95b8e27e7c488828c46a28df96f1c83b185c8?
[13:34] <Sweetsha1k> catfish postinst having issues with invalid syntax in FSM.py (Flying Spaghetti Monster?). Is that a known issue?
[13:34] <pitti> seb128: yes, I do; our upower pacakge currently has Seth's original patch
[13:34] <sil2100> Mirv: you think it's safe to publish the Apps stack without WebApps?
[13:34] <seb128> pitti, oh ok, good
[13:34] <pitti> seb128: so it's not urgent, but I think I fixed it in a more elegant way (and in a way which doesn't cuase the test suite to encounter CRITICALs
[13:35] <seb128> pitti, mpt hit a bug on friday that I though might have been the same issue, but maybe it's not
[13:35] <seb128> pitti, he had the battery charge level as NaN and we do remainingCapacity/maxCapacity to calculate the %
[13:36] <pitti> sorry, need to run out to the market to buy some food before vUDS, brb
[13:36] <seb128> so I though maybe it was upower return some null values, which seemed somewhat similar to that bug
[13:36] <seb128> pitti, ttyl!
[13:44] <Mirv> sil2100: I think, WebApps had a successful release last evening and there is not much in terms of dependencies
[13:46] <sil2100> Releasing then, thanks
[14:13] <seb128> Laney, did you see that your mp has a conflict as well as the missing commit message?
[14:13] <Laney> just pushed
[14:13] <seb128> cool
[14:14] <seb128> going to review in a bit
[14:14] <Laney> during vuds, brave ;-)
[14:14] <seb128> vuds?
[14:14] <chrisccoulson> bah, just tried to open a webkit build log in firefox
[14:14] <seb128> oh, jono's intro ... it's like security instructions in plane, I stopped listening to those a long time ago
[14:14] <seb128> chrisccoulson, your firefox is frozen for a minute now? ;-)
[14:15] <chrisccoulson> seb128, longer than a minute so far
[14:15] <Laney> heh
[14:15] <chrisccoulson> starting to think about killing it ;)
[14:15] <Laney> seb128: there's a sabdfl keynote too ;-)
[14:16] <seb128> Laney, yeah, I noticed that on the title, that's why I've jono's comment running in background :p
[14:16] <sabdfl> locked and loaded... but can take hints & tips on IRC ;)
[14:16]  * Laney tests hangouts
[14:18] <seb128> sabdfl, hey ;-)
[14:18] <seb128> sabdfl, hint: "make sure you mic is working an non muted" :p
[14:18] <sabdfl> ack, tak :)
[14:21] <Sweetshark> seb128: I just pushed LO 4.1.1~rc2 to the PPAs (the general ones and the 4.1.x one). I assume it to be declared final upstream in two days. So we might try to get a 4.1.1 release into saucy at the same time as upstream ;)
[14:22] <seb128> Sweetshark, great!
[14:23] <Laney> bah
[14:25] <seb128> Laney, what?
[14:26] <Laney> still no mic
[14:26] <seb128> :-(
[14:43] <mlankhorst> Sweetshark: hah I'll beat you with mesa 9.2 :P
[14:43] <mlankhorst> well probably not because it requires copying llvm 3.3 from universe to main
[14:43] <mlankhorst> but still!
[14:45] <czajkowski> Sweetshark: on saucy when you open a document and go to the file or edit tab or any of them, can you see any of the text the first time?  I know if I close the menu and go back to it I see text but never on the first time
[14:46] <Sweetshark> czajkowski: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1204592
[14:46] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1204592 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice unity menus populate sluggishly the first time" [Medium,Triaged]
[14:52] <Laney> oh well
[14:52] <Laney> nexus 7 it is :|
[14:52] <czajkowski> Sweetshark: bah medium :p
[14:53] <Sweetshark> mlankhorst: oh, I was mostly kidding. I dont want to dump a libreoffice build into main which hasnt seen testing in the ppa for a few days. And the ARM build still takes ~30 hours ...
[14:54] <mlankhorst> :P
[14:55] <czajkowski> Sweetshark: I swear you do some sort of magiv antivoodoo to your PPAs
[14:56] <Sweetshark> czajkowski: how so?
[14:57] <czajkowski> 30 hours :)
[14:58] <mlankhorst> he never leaves the builds running unattented either!
[14:59] <Sweetshark> czajkowski: thats not a ppa build. that was the build in -proposed: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:4.1.0-2ubuntu1/+build/4845479 . Also notes that this was the second try, on the first build gcc failed with an internal compiler error (giving me almost a heart attack).
[14:59] <Sweetshark> czajkowski: the second build had no issues. So likely gcc was just exhausted the first time around.
[15:01] <czajkowski> I'm not LP any more so it's fine :)
[15:01] <mlankhorst> hehehehehe
[15:05] <Sweetshark> mlankhorst: of course not! I can tell you dancing around the builder exstactally with a shamans mask and chanting kumbayaas to Ada Lovelace, Alan Turing and the other great ghosts of computation gets tiresome after 30 hours.
[15:09] <mlankhorst> that's why you stop at 30 :-)
[15:10] <sam113101> is this the channel of one hundred paper cuts?
[15:12] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[15:12] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[15:12] <seb128> kenvandine, do you know if somebody from webapps want to join the oxide session?
[15:12] <kenvandine> alex-abreu, ^^
[15:12] <seb128> kenvandine, alex-abreu: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21932/client-1308-oxide/
[15:13] <kenvandine> alex-abreu, you would probably have the best input there
[15:13] <seb128> alex-abreu, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/78ddd832135a6ec210e7fa014ac7d2b560b35935?authuser=0&hl=fr
[15:13] <seb128> alex-abreu, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/78ddd832135a6ec210e7fa014ac7d2b560b35935?authuser=0
[15:13] <seb128> rather
[15:13] <seb128> (if you don't want the french version)
[15:14] <seb128> Mirv, ^ maybe as well?
[15:14] <alex-abreu> ah it has started!
[15:15] <seb128> alex-abreu, yes, please join the hangout ;-)
[15:15] <alex-abreu> sorry thought it was 1 hour from now
[15:16] <seb128> alex-abreu, coming? should we wait for you?
[15:16] <Mirv> seb128: in the daily process session
[15:16] <seb128> Mirv, ok, fine
[15:17] <seb128> alex-abreu, thanks
[15:17] <sam113101> is this the channel of one hundred paper cuts?
[15:18] <seb128> sam113101, I don't think there is a specific channel for those
[15:18] <seb128> you can discuss desktop issues here
[15:19] <sam113101> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[15:19] <sam113101> there are so many channels
[15:22] <sam113101> where do I find the "papercuts" to fix?
[15:22] <sam113101> I want to get involved
[15:24] <seb128> sam113101, try asking on #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-motu maybe
[15:24] <seb128> sam113101, you have the bug list on https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/
[15:25] <sam113101> seb128: thanks
[15:32] <mlankhorst> seb128: meeting time? :P
[15:32] <seb128> mlankhorst, no meeting, read your emails :p
[15:32] <seb128> mlankhorst, vUDS ongoing
[15:33] <mlankhorst> g2g for a bit :/
[16:54] <seb128> TheMuso, hey, are you going to lead  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1308-touch-1404-a11y in one hour? who is joining for the session?
[17:00] <rickspencer3> bcurtiswx, you still in DC area?
[17:00] <TheMuso> seb128: I will be leading, yes. I don't know who else will be joining, but I did put out feelers in the Mir/Unity 8 teams with Pat's help to try and get some people along to attend who can advise etc.
[17:01] <seb128> TheMuso, ok, thanks
[18:22] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, libcolumbus is stucked in saucy-proposed for some weeks because its soname changed and unity-lens-applications needs to be rebuilt with it ... is that on your todolist?
[18:39] <cyphermox> seb128: yes, it's on my todo
[18:40] <seb128> cyphermox, great, thank you
[18:49] <seb128> sil2100, cyphermox: the indicator stack is unhappy because of a new package, can you fix that?
[18:49] <seb128> http://10.97.0.1:8080/job/autopilot-saucy-daily_release/1335/label=autopilot-intel/console
[18:50] <seb128> "/var/log/upstart/otto-setup.log: +gnome-control-center-datetime"
[18:50] <cyphermox> I wish people would stop landing new dependencies
[18:50] <cyphermox> :D
[18:50] <seb128> sil2100, cyphermox: tedg split out the control panel so we don't bring g-c-c in the touch image
[19:28] <sil2100> cyphermox, kenvandine, robru, Mirv: I'll be archiving this weeks tasks in the spreadsheet now
[19:29] <robru> sil2100, ok
[19:45] <kenvandine> sil2100, thanks
[20:34] <TheMuso> jbicha, darkxst, is there any good reason why saucy shouldn't get evince 3.9/3.10? I'd like evince 3.9/3.10 because its got better accessibility support, particularly caret/document navigation with cursor keys.
[21:09] <darkxst> TheMuso, provided it doesnt require gtk 3.10 it should be ok
[21:29] <TheMuso> darkxst: No it doesn't, it builds against GTK 3.8 without issue.
[21:37] <seb128> TheMuso, looking through the NEWS, updating evince seems to be ok
[21:42] <TheMuso> seb128: Thats what I thought, but was just checking to see whether anybody else had a good reason to hold it back.
[21:43] <seb128> TheMuso, +1 from me for updating, thanks for checking
[21:43] <TheMuso> np
[21:44] <seb128> jbicha, hey, if you plan to update other components to 3.10 please discuss those here before uploading
[21:48] <jbicha> seb128: yes I will
[21:48] <seb128> thanks
[21:48] <TheMuso> What is the rule of thumb with regards to updating a package in the archive based on a PPA package, shoudl I leave the PPA changelog entries in place, or should I combine them into a single entry?
[21:48] <TheMuso> Or somethign else?
[21:49] <seb128> pitti, good morning (guess you are going to read that tomorrow), could you look at http://10.98.0.1:8080/view/Saucy/view/AutoPkgTest/job/saucy-adt-libgtkada/18/ARCH=i386,label=adt/console ?
[21:49] <seb128> pitti, not sure what's going on, that's blocking the new cairo but I'm not sure it's a cairo issue...
[21:51] <jbicha> TheMuso: either keeping the ppa changelog entries or rewriting them into a single changlog entry is fine
[21:51] <TheMuso> Ok, I'll keep them.
[21:58] <jbicha> I assume you know about passing -v to debuild to include all the new changelog entries
[22:01] <TheMuso> Yes I do.
[22:01] <TheMuso> Its so damn easy to forget.
[22:01] <TheMuso> I've forgotten with many a merge.
[22:01] <TheMuso> Particularly if I am working with bzr builddeb or git buildpackage. :)
[23:47] <robru> cyphermox, Mirv: can one of you confirm that http://10.97.0.1:8080/job/autopilot-saucy-daily_release/1344/label=autopilot-intel/testReport/junit/unity8.shell.tests.test_notifications/EphemeralNotificationsTests/test_summary_and_body_Desktop_Nexus_4_/ looks like it is caused by a missing dependency on ubuntu-ui-toolkit-theme? That's the package that provides that file in the error
[23:49] <cyphermox> robru: looking
[23:49] <robru> I'm just trying to reproduce it in pbuilder...
[23:49] <cyphermox> what's the code branch for ubuntu-ui-toolkit-theme?
[23:50] <cyphermox> anyway, rather than fixing it ourselves, we should throw it back to the unity7 team
[23:50] <cyphermox> unity8 I mean
[23:50] <robru> cyphermox, really? I thought we were supposed to fix simple dep problems...
[23:51] <robru> cyphermox, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk
[23:52] <cyphermox> robru: packaging problems, yes
[23:52] <cyphermox> code errors, I'd say no
[23:52] <cyphermox> well, you know, with reason
[23:53] <robru> well the test failure is due to a missing file, and that missing file is provided by a pakcage that i don't see listed as a depin debian/control
[23:53] <cyphermox> yuck
[23:53] <cyphermox> well then :)
[23:53] <robru> cyphermox, the part i'm not sure about is that i thought maybe the dep might get pulled in indirectly by something else
[23:53] <robru> and i'm not sure how to check for that. i'd be annoyed if i added this dep and it didn't fix the problem.
[23:54] <cyphermox> seems like it should be
[23:54] <cyphermox> or you know, picked by something else
[23:54] <cyphermox> http://10.97.0.1:8080/job/autopilot-saucy-daily_release/1344/label=autopilot-intel/consoleFull
[23:54] <cyphermox> ^ the package does get installed
[23:55] <cyphermox> running the stuff in sbuild / pbuilder will tell you, it would be in the depends
[23:55] <cyphermox> as it's not really a library thing, I'd expect it to be listed explicitly
[23:55] <cyphermox> but then, I don't know why it doesn't work if the package in included on the container
[23:56] <robru> cyphermox, hmmm, it is being installed. then i have no idea why the test fails to find it
[23:57] <robru> cyphermox, ok, I'll file a bug i guess