[11:17] <dpm-summit> hello!!!!
[13:24] <dpm> #ubuntu-uds-appdev-2
[14:20] <mojo706> thought there would be something
[14:57] <mojo706> yes we are about to begin
[14:59] <mhall119> plenary is running over, we'll start when it's done
[14:59] <mojo706> ok
[15:05] <mhall119> dpm: I'm gonna refill me coffee, be one minute
[15:05] <dpm> mhall119, ok
[15:07] <dpm> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/a13b678e9eb752a276b37b19c90297e984fbf16a
[15:07] <dpm> if anyone wants to join live on the session
[15:08] <mojo706> mhall119, how does this work? how do I say contribute?
[15:08] <mojo706> no place to listen in?
[15:08] <dpm> mojo706, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21925/appdev-roundtable-tue/
[15:10] <marrabld_> The video on the webpage here http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21925/appdev-roundtable-tue/ has disappeared for me.  Is this just because it is updating?
[15:10] <marrabld_> I ask becuase I am also getting a permission error on the page
[15:10] <GuidoPallemans> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-appdev-roundtable ?
[15:10] <popey> marrabld_: permission error is probably for the etherpad, click the "notes in a separate window" link at the bottom
[15:11] <katie> hi, is anyone else having difficulty viewing the hangout?
[15:11] <popey> dpm: is the video live?
[15:11] <mojo706> yeah
[15:11] <marrabld_> Authorization is required to access http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-appdev-roundtable
[15:11] <marrabld_> Either you have not been granted access to this resource or your entitlement has timed out. Please try again.
[15:11] <marrabld_> You are currently logged in as https://login.ubuntu.com/+id/bbTy8DK. (logout)
[15:11] <karni> Has the session started yet? Can't see embedded yt on http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21925/appdev-roundtable-tue/
[15:12] <mhall119> marrabld_: try logging in directly to http://pad.ubuntu.com
[15:12] <mhall119> karni: we're checking
[15:12] <karni> mhall119: tnx
[15:12] <dpm> http://youtu.be/1YEKPpkONc8
[15:13] <marrabld_> mhall119: Same error there
[15:13] <mhall119> everybody refresh to get the video
[15:13] <karni> dpm: tnx. stream working from uds site now
[15:13] <popey> yay video
[15:14] <marrabld_> I can see the video now.
[15:14] <mojo706> installed missing plugin
[15:14] <baggy> i still can't see the video
[15:14] <katie> dpm, yes, you're back
[15:14] <katie> :)
[15:14] <mojo706> now I am here to bad I cannot speak bandwidth issues
[15:15] <mhall119> http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/
[15:17] <mojo706> yes
[15:17] <jasonamyers> I've been using it
[15:17] <jasonamyers> to develop a campfire application
[15:17] <jasonamyers> But I've been a bit lost on how to move beyond the simple tutorial
[15:18] <swordfish> Sorry for the delay... I'm the guy behind the netwalk clone...
[15:18] <marrabld_> I have been, but I have just been working through tutorials trying to learn QML
[15:18] <karni> sry, got caught up in stand-up
[15:18] <GuidoPallemans> jasonamyers: you should join the hangout
[15:19] <jasonamyers> at work :(
[15:20] <CheeseBurg> Am I late?
[15:20] <mojo706> I actually have a semi-complete html5 app on the desktop at home
[15:20] <GuidoPallemans> mojo you're on the hangout right?
[15:22] <mhall119> CheeseBurg: only a little :)
[15:22] <karni> mojo706: What kind of HTML5 app? Is it Cordova app?
[15:22] <CheeseBurg> Just came from the keynote
[15:22] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/a13b678e9eb752a276b37b19c90297e984fbf16a
[15:22] <CheeseBurg> What will the email app be based on?
[15:23] <marrabld_> Is there unit testing built in to the SDK?
[15:23] <jasonamyers> my current biggest issue is determining the proper way to consume an API
[15:23] <jasonamyers> that has a streaming component :( So I believe i need a C++ piece
[15:23] <mojo706> karni, mine
[15:23] <jasonamyers> but it's a tad confusing
[15:23] <marrabld_> +1 more tutorials
[15:24] <jasonamyers> yes +1 more tutorials and screen layout especially!
[15:24] <karni> mojo706: I assume "mine" mean's it's not an Ubuntu cordova app ;)
[15:24] <mhall119> jasonamyers: regular layout or convergence layouts?
[15:24] <popey> maybe we should be running a documentation sprint ?
[15:24] <jasonamyers> I believe convergence
[15:24] <mojo706> no its not actually I am trying to port it from FirefoxOS
[15:24] <popey> or perhaps reward people who write documentation rather than just reward people who write code
[15:24] <karni> Rather more tutorials, I think pointing to more documentation would be step forward.
[15:24] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: What will the email app be based on and will it replace thunderbird on the desktop with the desktop session is completed?
[15:24] <jasonamyers> the ones using columns row etc
[15:24] <mhall119> jasonamyers: there's actually some very good documentation for that on http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/ubuntu-layouts.html
[15:25] <mhall119> jasonamyers: on columns and rows, yeah, there's some upstream docs but
[15:25] <mojo706> I prefer the docs
[15:25] <jasonamyers> mhall119, bookmarked
[15:25] <popey> CheeseBurg: Not known yet. We're currently in early planning, but have identified at least one backend - trojita - which may be appropriate.
[15:25] <mhall119> CheeseBurg: Trojita
[15:26] <swordfish> A question: from what I understood there will be no way to use external dependencies in click packages... Is that true?
[15:26] <karni> QUESTION: They're not available yet online, are they? (The HTML5 cookbook)
[15:26] <GuidoPallemans> karni yes, i just googled ubuntu cookbook and found it
[15:27] <popey> swordfish: you can bundle inside a click package
[15:27] <mhall119> karni: http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/cookbook/html-5/
[15:27] <mhall119> like I said, sparse
[15:27] <swordfish> I wanted to develop a image filter application for the contest, but the problem was using some libraries for external image processing...
[15:27] <popey> swordfish: bundle them in
[15:28] <karni> mhall119: right. air thin sparse, looking forward to it :)
[15:28] <rschroll_> It was just intimated to me that apps won't have access to the file system.  Is this correct?  Will there be any way to access local files?
[15:29] <rschroll_> (Can't watch the video right now; will check it out this evening.)
[15:29] <mhall119> rschroll_: yes and no
[15:29] <Krispy> quick question and I figured this was the best channel out of all available...what is the status of the email app for Ubuntu Touch...it is the one thing that is preventing me from having it permanently on my phone
[15:29] <mhall119> rschroll_: apps will have access to a folder of their own, and can request extended permissions to access more
[15:29] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Will the SDK be updated every release or does it run on it's own schedule?
[15:29] <swordfish> popey: thank you, but as example opencv is going to be pretty big, can't it be inported?
[15:29] <swordfish> imported*
[15:29] <mhall119> Krispy: non-existant at the moment
[15:29] <popey> swordfish: no
[15:30] <rschroll_> mhall119: Is there documentation / an API for this I should know about?
[15:30] <GuidoPallemans> rschroll_: look in the cookbooks
[15:30] <mhall119> rschroll_: there will be if there isn't, the security team would know more
[15:30] <Krispy> That is sad...everything else is so elegant but the WAP Gmail is terrible.  I have the SDK...maybe time to start building
[15:30] <mhall119> #ubuntu-security I think
[15:31] <popey> Krispy: please do! :D
[15:31] <swordfish> popey: ok.. thanks
[15:31] <Krispy> Cheers...back to my full time gig
[15:32] <GuidoPallemans> QUESTION: I don't really know how to make a click package. Is there a session about click packages and/or a tutorial?
[15:32] <rickspencer3> I don't think that's quite how it will work
[15:32] <rickspencer3> I think you will ask a helper to provide you with files that you want
[15:32] <rschroll_> OK.  will ask there
[15:32] <rickspencer3> for example, if you want to import pictures you can use the content hub to import pictures
[15:33] <rickspencer3> you *won't* be able to ask for access to just anywhere on the file system
[15:33] <rickspencer3> mhall119, ^
[15:33] <mhall119> rickspencer3: reading it, I'll update on the video
[15:33] <karni> GuidoPallemans: There's "Packaging" option in Qt Creator (Ubuntu SDK)
[15:33] <karni> GuidoPallemans: also, you can look up "click packaging" on yt, I've seen a clip or two about it
[15:34] <GuidoPallemans> karni: I know, but I don't know how to use it
[15:34] <popey> Feel fee to add notes to http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-appdev-roundtable
[15:34] <karni> GuidoPallemans: http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/click-packages-included-on-ubuntu-touch.html
[15:34] <mhall119> GuidoPallemans: there are on the foundations track I think
[15:35] <mhall119> GuidoPallemans: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/search/?q=click&x=-1119&y=-99
[15:35] <rickspencer3> QUESTION: I find a spend a lot of time in qml making things like columns and flickables and stuff layout properly ... any thought to a set of design patterns for qml?
[15:35] <karni> GuidoPallemans: most def, have a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjGAnV33GHU
[15:36] <GuidoPallemans> all bookmarked, thanks
[15:36] <karni> yw
[15:36] <marrabld_> QtQuick V2.0 isn't installed on 12.10  I had to use this work around http://askubuntu.com/questions/236166/qtquick-version-2-0-is-not-installed-while-trying-to-run-currencyconverter-exa  to get it to work.  Is it possible to update the app developer website
[15:37] <mhall119> rickspencer3: if you could find somebody's time to write it :)
[15:37] <rickspencer3> mhall119, I don't even know who knows how to do it ;)
[15:38] <mhall119> anybody on the SDK team probably
[15:38] <mhall119> bzoltan or kaleo
[15:38] <mhall119> would be the ones I asked
[15:38] <GuidoPallemans> any other questions?
[15:39] <clepto1995> QUESTION: is there going to be something like Intents on android?
[15:39] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Will there be a session on the app store?
[15:45] <CheeseBurg> FOLLOW-UP: I am talking about the app discovery.
[15:45] <CheeseBurg> How does app discovery work in the dash (or is that not the place for this discussion)?
[15:45] <karni> dpm: mhall119: forwarded you feedback e-mail (not sure if you saw it)
[15:46] <CheeseBurg> But what if I am just browsing and not looking for something specific?
[15:46] <CheeseBurg> How will that work in the dash?
[15:47] <karni> um
[15:47] <karni> I'll definitely join the feedback session
[15:47] <karni> right
[15:47] <karni> including cordova
[15:47] <dpm> karni, was this on Cordova apps?
[15:47] <dpm> karni, ah, perfect, thanks!
[15:47] <karni> also in general about qtc and ubuntu-html5-theme
[15:47] <karni> yw guys!
[15:50] <karni> Soon I'll have a really simple todo app, both in HTML5 and QML (basically the same app, to consitute an example you can implement in whichever you feel more fluent)
[15:50] <karni> Fiddling with the QML version today.
[15:50] <marrabld_> QUESTION: Is it possible to use python bindings for touch?
[15:50] <karni> marrabld_: PyQt.. ? Correct me if I'm wrong guys.
[15:51] <jasonamyers> AMEN moving from python feels really odd!
[15:51] <marrabld_> karni: I am not sure pyqt will work naturally on touch.  I use it for desktop apps all the time
[15:51] <timp> marrabld_, karni we use Qt5 for touch, and pyqt for qt5 is still in development
[15:51] <marrabld_> timp:  Thanks
[15:51] <karni> timp: thank you
[15:52] <timp> ohhh what I just said is wrong. I see that PyQt5 was released very recently!
[15:52] <timp> woo :)
[15:53] <timp> I'd say we should be able to make it work together, but we haven't had time (in the UITK team) yet to look at it. http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/software/pyqt/download5
[15:54] <marrabld_> I might stick to trying to write my physics engine in C++ then.  Makeing pthyon works sound stoo hard.
[15:55] <marrabld_> great, thanks.
[15:56] <karni> What it's called again? (out of curiosity)
[15:56] <timp> time for angry penguins :)
[15:56] <karni> That library you mentioned
[15:56] <mhall119> karni: Box2D
[15:56] <karni> timp: hahah
[15:56] <karni> mhall119: thank you
[15:56] <GuidoPallemans> timp: haha
[15:56] <mhall119> np
[15:56] <marrabld_> sweet.  I love physics though.  :-)  Okayu Ill check Box2d  thanks
[15:57] <timp> angry penguins with evil seals as adversaries
[15:57] <jasonamyers> thanks!
[15:57] <karni> Thanks guys
[16:03] <istimsak> yes we can
[16:03] <popey> mhall119: live!
[16:04] <mhall119> popey: wrong channel
[16:04] <popey> oof
[16:07] <pietro98-albini> WebbyIT, o/
[16:08] <istimsak> take your time guys
[16:10] <roadmr> +1 I can hear you
[16:11] <dpm> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/daa511603d2779a948acfa047c72b7418749fc27
[16:11] <dpm> for anyone to join the session ^
[16:13] <zyga> yes I can see that
[16:14]  * zyga is interested in the design and how that translates to more traditional, boring, office-y click-here-to-do-that-business-thing apps
[16:15] <dpm> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-appdev-1308-design-review-weather
[16:16] <istimsak> Why was the usage of python discontinued?
[16:16] <zyga> istimsak: we're doing a python3 app that uses ubuntu SDK but we've had to use DBus as a bridge
[16:18] <zyga> keep going, I'd love to see more of this!
[16:24] <dpm> any questions on IRC on the weather designs?
[16:24] <istimsak> zyga: this means the ubuntu SDK package includes, QML and javascript which is more easier to develop ubuntu apps? What did you mean, "had to use a DBus bridge"?
[16:24] <zyga> why did you use a small fraction of the screen rather than make the weather app full screen?
[16:25] <zyga> istimsak: there are no python3 bindings for all the current Qt5-based QT and QML stuff so we wrote our app UI in C++ with a lot of dbus calls to the core that works in python3
[16:25] <zyga> there is no gradient on my daily package
[16:25] <zyga> (at least not in the weather app)
[16:26] <zyga> QUESTION: why did you use a small fraction of the screen rather than make the weather app full screen?
[16:26] <zyga> thanks
[16:26] <zyga> for the key information
[16:27] <zyga> for the temperature
[16:27] <zyga> and "icon"
[16:27] <zyga> (yeah the delay kills interactivity a bit)
[16:27] <roadmr> dpm: are you running the hangout? could you lock your video window on the one with the actual phone screens?
[16:28] <zyga> that's not what I mean
[16:28] <zyga> not about putting everything on the screen
[16:28] <zyga> but just the two bits of info
[16:28] <roadmr> zyga: you should join the hangout, there are places :P
[16:28] <zyga> they are very small and the screen is largely unused
[16:29] <zyga> yes it works
[16:29] <neokore> don't know if it's the right moment, but... could you explain something about the daily and hourly scroll?
[16:30] <zyga> question about the calculator app, do you think that adding an ability to put names to computation makes sense? traditionally input on touchscreens is not something that people _want to_ do, especially in an app that never had that functionality (all the other calculator apps out there)
[16:31] <dpm> neokore, sure, since we've started calculator, let's answer it towards the end. What in particular would you like to know more about daily/hourly scrolling?
[16:32] <zyga> you kind of answered it before I got the answer
[16:32] <zyga> I see your rationale
[16:32] <neokore> dpm: Sorry, the delay :) I want to know about gestures to scroll between hourly and daily forecasts
[16:33] <neokore> dpm I thought about it because I'm working on it right now
[16:34] <istimsak> zyga: so you have to write UI apps in c++ to use DBus for python3 and QT-based apps to communicate? I guess the python3 and QT were not easily compatible. Will older apps that were built using python be converted to QML?
[16:35] <zyga> istimsak: I cannot speak about other apps
[16:35] <zyga> istimsak: python has qt bindings, just qt5 is missing at this time
[16:39] <istimsak> zyga: what are the benefits of using qt5?
[16:40] <zyga> istimsak: we want to allow our app to have a touch UI in the future
[16:40] <zyga> istimsak: and it kind of made that possible
[16:40] <zyga> istimsak: (it's pretty much touch friendly now, we just need to push it through a few iterations on actual touch devies0
[16:40] <zyga> devices)
[16:41] <dpm> neokore, that's your question being answered right now :)
[16:41] <istimsak> zyga: great!!! So if I wanted to to get my hands dirty it ubuntu app development, the it would be better understand qt5?
[16:42] <zyga> istimsak: depending on what kind of apps you want to do
[16:42] <zyga> istimsak: games don't typically seem to use qt5 AFAIK
[16:42] <zyga> istimsak: desktop apps, yeah, sure
[16:42] <zyga> istimsak: touch apps, yeah, especially qml2
[16:44] <istimsak> zyga: thank you. Great session :-)
[16:44] <neokore> dpm, thank you and sorry about delay, I get the video a pair of minutes late
[16:45] <zyga> I would love to see some _GENERAL_ design guidelines, not specific to a particular touch app
[16:45] <dpm> neokore, no worries. Did that answer the question? It's a bit difficult to explain in words, but Christina and Michal are going to publish a video for it to make it clearer
[16:45] <zyga> I understand that before the platform is out and people get the feeling of it it's a bit hard to do
[16:46] <neokore> It's answered, I saw a former video but I think that I'll write them or talk tomorrow in the design meeting, thank you all again
[16:48] <dpm> http://design.ubuntu.com/apps
[16:48] <zyga> thanks! I'll check the schedule
[16:51] <dpm> any more questions on weather or calc design?
[16:52] <dpm> neokore, any other questions on weather?
[16:52] <neokore> dpm well... maybe some ideas about the famous scroll :D
[16:54] <neokore> dpm, maybe it will be useful to differ between touch and scroll for daily forecast and touch, _hold_ and scroll for hourly forecast
[16:54] <dpm> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps/+filebug
[16:54] <neokore> what Christina and Michall think?
[16:54] <zyga> did you think about using a set of pre-selected words (or icons) for calculator labels?
[16:55] <zyga> (with an option to use a custom text if so desired)
[16:55] <WebbyIT> zyga, we'll put the location where the calc has been done
[16:55] <WebbyIT> zyga, we are working on it
[16:56] <dpm> any other questions?
[16:57] <zyga> nope, thanks
[16:59] <dpm> thanks everyone!
[16:59] <zyga> there is a 4 minute lag!
[16:59] <zyga> wow
[17:00] <dpm> neokore, sure, feel free to bring any feedback on the next design hangout, or if you cannot make it to the hangout, e-mail will work as well
[17:00] <neokore> dpm, good I'll make it. Thank you!
[17:00] <dpm> cool :)
[17:53] <dpm> for everyone who was attending the session about Testing with the Ubuntu SDK, there's been a slight change of schedule due to conflicting sessions: the Testing with the Ubuntu SDK session has now moved to Thursday
[17:54] <iahmad> :/
[18:01] <zyga> hi
[18:06] <zyga> hmm is http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21838/appdev-1308-quality-testing-sdk/ supposed to be here now?
[18:08] <dobey> yes
[18:09] <boiko> it seems the session was moved to Thursday
[18:10] <zyga> yeah
[18:10] <dobey> bah
[18:10] <dobey> ok
[18:10] <mojo706> sorry guys session moved to Thursday according dpm
[18:10] <dpm> for everyone who was attending the session about Testing with the Ubuntu SDK, there's been a slight change of schedule due to conflicting sessions: the Testing with the Ubuntu SDK session has now moved to Thursday
[19:01] <mojo706> aaah
[19:07] <popey> dpm: whats the url?
[19:07] <dpm> on it :)
[19:07] <dpm> popey, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3f7d5fef392b5663f39cc47b63b8fd1c02f636e0
[19:10] <pmcgowan> we can hear you
[19:11] <MobbyG> Hear you!
[19:11] <barry> folder subscriptions?
[19:12] <dpm> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-appdev-1308-email-app-planning
[19:12] <dpm> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3f7d5fef392b5663f39cc47b63b8fd1c02f636e0
[19:14] <or211> Any plans for calendar integration?
[19:15] <pmcgowan> popey, we havent made a set list I know of
[19:15] <pmcgowan> popey, maps need to be addressed for example
[19:15] <popey> thanks
[19:16] <dinkometalac> youtube
[19:16] <dinkometalac> also
[19:16] <pmcgowan> more webapps for sure
[19:16] <dinkometalac> but we cannot count on youtube
[19:16] <dinkometalac> without proper html5 video in webview
[19:16] <pmcgowan> interested to see what emerges from the contest
[19:16] <popey> +1
[19:17] <pmcgowan> dinkometalac, we will have that soon btw
[19:18] <dinkometalac> great
[19:18] <dinkometalac> i already have some working code
[19:18] <dinkometalac> for playing the video
[19:18] <dinkometalac> and lorenzo (i think it was the name)
[19:18] <dinkometalac> already did some on youtube api
[19:19] <dinkometalac> i think v3
[19:19] <popey> pmcgowan: welcome to join us if you want?
[19:22] <pmcgowan> yes
[19:22] <pmcgowan> agree
[19:22] <popey> agree to what? ☻
[19:22] <popey> sorry, we're 1 min ahead of you
[19:22] <pmcgowan> lol
[19:30] <houseofbean> I'm interesting in the email app, but I'm a noob.
[19:32] <mojo706> houseofbean, define noob
[19:33] <dpm> pmcgowan, do you know what"TDB"  in Assign labels (TDB) is?
[19:33] <pmcgowan> hmm
[19:33] <pmcgowan> tbd probably
[19:33] <pmcgowan> popey, yes
[19:33] <houseofbean> mojo706:  Well, I'm not a noob with Ubuntu. Using it since 9.04.  But I'd like to get into making apps, and learning more about coding .  I can't really code, but I would be able to help test stuff.  I'm a noob with python and coding in general
[19:34] <mojo706> Email App Suggestion: Choice on how long to keep messages
[19:34] <mojo706> houseofbean, then learn coding first.
[19:35] <mojo706> you can contribute later
[19:35] <pmcgowan> I think mhall did a run through the reqts met by trojita, will see if I can find that
[19:35] <popey> pmcgowan: we have that
[19:35] <pmcgowan> popey, vg nm
[19:36] <houseofbean> mojo706:  Thanks for the coding advice.  I've only flirted with php and python.  Yeah, can't really contribute if you can't code.  ha ha.  But I'll get there sooner than later.
[19:37] <mojo706> good
[19:38] <TheMuso> houseofbean: If you want to get involved with writing apps for Ubuntu touch faster, you might want to learn Qml.
[19:38] <TheMuso> But learning python is also good, because you get a good grounding in the basics, and in objected oriented programming.
[19:39] <houseofbean> TheMuso: I've got Ubuntu touch on my Nexus 4 and it's a beautiful tease.  I plan on learning Qml too.
[19:39] <TheMuso> houseofbean: The best of luck.
[19:39] <houseofbean> TheMuso:  Thank you
[19:39] <TheMuso> houseofbean: Hope it works out for you.
[19:39] <pmcgowan> yeah good cut
[19:43] <pmcgowan> would existing app developers be free to do the UI
[19:43] <pmcgowan> core app devs
[19:46] <mojo706> what are the milestones? how do we find out the milestones?
[19:46] <popey> we set them at the start of the project
[19:46] <pmcgowan> popey, do we have an lp project already?
[19:47] <popey> yes
[19:47] <dpm> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-commons/+milestones
[19:47] <houseofbean> Filters would be great later on.
[19:47] <dpm> current milestones ^^
[19:47] <popey> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-emailclient-app
[19:47] <popey> ^^ needs rebooting
[19:48] <pmcgowan> ack
[19:48] <dpm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps
[19:48] <mojo706> thanks
[19:48] <popey> thanks guys!
[19:48] <houseofbean> Thank you to everyone!
[19:49] <pmcgowan> thanks guys
[19:50] <dpm> thanks everyone!
[20:12] <dpm> good start to UDS, see you all tomorrow!
[20:56] <mojo706> goodnight!
[21:16] <scarneiro> quit