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| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-foundations-1 to: Track: Foundations | Phablet Tools roadmap | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21859/foundations-1308-phablet-tools/ | ||
| * slangasek waves | 16:03 | |
| * ogra_ shores | 16:03 | |
| slangasek | sergiusens (et al): https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/28b3927907ca51848ffbadc659fa11ee50731df0 | 16:03 |
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| sergiusens | ty | 16:04 |
| sergiusens | doanac`: hey, want to join video? | 16:05 |
| doanac` | sergiusens: sure. will do | 16:05 |
| sergiusens | doanac`: I want to see your face | 16:05 |
| sergiusens | :-) | 16:05 |
| cjohnston | hrm.. toolbox doesnt appear working | 16:10 |
| ogra_ | works for me | 16:10 |
| cjohnston | I see that.. I'm not sure why. I just get an empty frame | 16:11 |
| ogra_ | id did quite some download stuff for me when i enabled it | 16:11 |
| barry | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-image/+bug/1192575 | 16:14 |
| udsbotu | Launchpad bug 1192575 in Ubuntu system image "Support for changing channels and reinstalling" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 16:14 |
| xnox | barry: please mute your fan =)))) | 16:14 |
| xnox | barry: or is it hot? =) | 16:15 |
| barry | xnox: it's a warm day, yes :) | 16:15 |
| * barry muted his mic | 16:15 | |
| xnox | barry: maybe it's not your fan after all =) | 16:16 |
| barry | xnox: yeah, it seems quiet enough here, but you never know how it's coming over the mic | 16:17 |
| xnox | sergiusens: mk-sbuild --arch armhf should be able to bootstrap an armhf chroot with qemu-static emulator. | 16:22 |
| xnox | sergiusens: maybe we should be able to support bootstrapping something like that but with ubuntu-sdk & ubuntu-touch ? | 16:22 |
| ogra_ | xnox, i'm already working on rootstock-ng :) | 16:23 |
| ogra_ | (which will wrap around live-build) | 16:23 |
| xnox | /o\ | 16:23 |
| xnox | sergiusens: it will be "native" build, but under qemu. Or pre-download last rootfs image =) | 16:24 |
| xnox | sergiusens: chroot into-that apt-get install *-dev | 16:24 |
| sergiusens | xnox: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/28b3927907ca51848ffbadc659fa11ee50731df0 | 16:25 |
| xnox | =))) | 16:25 |
| xnox | there is so much lag. I'm guessing I am 4-5 minutes behind. | 16:25 |
| slangasek | yeah, typical lag to broadcast is at least 2 min :/ | 16:26 |
| asac | cant we ship the -dev parts stripped to a separate zip next to the normal image? | 16:27 |
| asac | so you can just combine the two? | 16:27 |
| ogra_ | asac, not sure that works with the system-image concept | 16:27 |
| ogra_ | but it might indeed be enhanceable i that direction | 16:27 |
| asac | well, phablet-flash can make it work :) | 16:27 |
| asac | i was hopeing | 16:27 |
| ogra_ | thats a matter of producing that img (it wont be a zip) and signing it | 16:28 |
| asac | yeah and i would love to see image testing at upstream merger level... but we need the emulator for that to scale | 16:28 |
| xnox | system-image upgrade should be able to upgrade from normal image to a -dev image. | 16:30 |
| xnox | if we want to spend time producing those. | 16:30 |
| ogra_ | xnox, yeah, but someone still has to produce it | 16:30 |
| barry | well. switching channels probably requires a full upgrade | 16:30 |
| asac | as long as if we just get a single -dev .zip that can be applied on top of the others it feels good. | 16:31 |
| slangasek | I think I've failed to understand the use case for a -dev image | 16:31 |
| slangasek | as opposed to just supporting cross -dev environments well and properly | 16:32 |
| ogra_ | slangasek, the system image wont allow apt | 16:32 |
| asac | i would really love to get -dev and -dbg parts separated... e.g. not an additional image, but rather an addon | 16:32 |
| slangasek | ogra_: obviously - but why do you care about putting -dev packages on the device? | 16:32 |
| ogra_ | slangasek, even in writable mode it will be extremely limited since the partition/loopimg size is to small | 16:32 |
| ogra_ | so you wont be able to install -dev packages in case you want to work on the plumbing of the image | 16:33 |
| slangasek | still not seeing why you would do that on the device | 16:33 |
| ogra_ | asac, how do you define which dbgsym packages are in that "addon" | 16:33 |
| asac | ogra_: the ones in the image? | 16:33 |
| ogra_ | asac, putting them all in will be to big to even install it | 16:33 |
| asac | matching those | 16:33 |
| asac | ogra_: yeah dbgsym is a bit of an issue because of size | 16:34 |
| slangasek | likewise for -dbgsyms, cross-retracing is a better solution (and aligns with what we're already doing for errors.u.c) | 16:34 |
| ogra_ | right | 16:34 |
| asac | the other reason to get the -dev stuff out as a part | 16:34 |
| asac | is taht we can then also use that to cross build against | 16:34 |
| ogra_ | dont have the -dev stuff, point people wanting it to cdimage to use the zip, be done | 16:35 |
| slangasek | is that specifically for native click packages? | 16:35 |
| asac | slangasek: yeah i think its for that | 16:35 |
| slangasek | ok | 16:35 |
| asac | primarily | 16:35 |
| asac | secondarily it might also be useful for other folks hacking around the basesystem | 16:36 |
| slangasek | I don't think the second is true | 16:36 |
| slangasek | because hacking around the base system implies an awful lot of -dev packages which we wouldn't want to pull in as part of any normal SDK | 16:37 |
| plars | yeah, we noticed, it's already caused us a few issues on testing that the image size is so small | 16:37 |
| asac | slangasek: so MIR folks for instance are suppsoed to restrict themselves to platform api and a few other things. they could use this in a useful manner. but as i said, lets focus on the primary case for now | 16:38 |
| asac | I really dont like starting a second image | 16:38 |
| asac | and supporting that | 16:38 |
| ogra_ | asac, well we have two images today :) | 16:39 |
| asac | at least for now we dont have the capacity | 16:39 |
| ogra_ | asac, well we have two images today :) | 16:39 |
| plars | asac: it sounds to me like ogra_ is suggesting that we use the existing (non-upgrade) images as the dev image | 16:39 |
| asac | ogra_: which ones? | 16:39 |
| ogra_ | asac, the cdimage armhf-zip and the sysrem-image.u.c image | 16:39 |
| plars | since they are already easy to add whatever you need to them | 16:39 |
| asac | ogra_: right and we are happy to kill the cdimage one | 16:40 |
| asac | we dont really support system-iamge yet | 16:40 |
| ogra_ | asac, that wont happen, it is the input for the system image | 16:40 |
| asac | explain to me that later | 16:40 |
| ogra_ | system image requires it to exist | 16:40 |
| asac | i am sure i dont want a separate image | 16:40 |
| xnox | slangasek: excluding qt itself. | 16:40 |
| ogra_ | asac, we do | 16:40 |
| asac | that is an official part of our SDK story | 16:40 |
| ogra_ | asac, unless we completely start from scratch withj the system images | 16:40 |
| asac | yeah i will stay out :) | 16:40 |
| asac | i think i agree with slangasek's reasoning - for most parts | 16:41 |
| xnox | sergiusens: so far the deb-src package should be getting inline with the export.tar.gz we publish on phablet.ubuntu.com | 16:51 |
| ogra_ | xnox, yay | 16:51 |
| xnox | sergiusens: once we get there. People can either do apt-get source android or fetch the tarball to hack on your own device. | 16:51 |
| xnox | ogra_: almost the same tree. | 16:51 |
| ogra_ | xnox, i know ... but "almost" :) | 16:52 |
| xnox | ogra_: but yeah, me and rsalveti should merge all up to use the _same_ one. | 16:52 |
| ogra_ | right | 16:52 |
| rsalveti | yeah | 16:52 |
| xnox | sergiusens: they can use $ repo tool to checkout and build from that. or to build from a tarball. | 16:52 |
| xnox | sergiusens: both should be the same. | 16:52 |
| xnox | sergiusens: repo tool is easier / nicer for developer. Tarball is faster to build as a package. | 16:53 |
| rsalveti | yeah, once we make both the same, we should be good | 16:53 |
| * ogra_ would use the UDD branch of the android package | 16:53 | |
| rsalveti | ogra_: right :P | 16:54 |
| ogra_ | and send 100MB MPs to xnox :) | 16:54 |
| ogra_ | *that* will test launchpad :) | 16:54 |
| plars | I don't think it'll take so long, I think we need to rework provision so that we can use it without trying to add anything to the system images (lack of space issue) | 16:55 |
| plars | currently it still tries to add utah, which is unnecessary when running in host-based mode | 16:55 |
| xnox | ogra_: launchpad can handle gcc bzr tree, so it should be able to handle anything. | 16:55 |
| slangasek | xnox, rsalveti: what blocks this, other than a git merge from one branch to the other and declaring it The One? :) | 16:57 |
| xnox | slangasek: rebasing a few patches from the package; trimming more stuff from the export tarball. | 16:58 |
| xnox | s/package/archive package/ | 16:58 |
| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-foundations-1 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/foundations-1/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/08/27/%23ubuntu-uds-foundations-1.html | ||
| plars | thanks! | 17:00 |
| slangasek | xnox: timeline for this to happen? The longer it goes unmerged... | 17:00 |
| asac | thanks sergiusens. well done! :) | 17:00 |
| rsalveti | slangasek: I changed phablet.u.c to export the tarball already | 17:00 |
| sergiusens | thanks | 17:00 |
| rsalveti | now I just need to sync with xnox to change the package to use that tarball instead | 17:00 |
| xnox | slangasek: let me that over this lunch hour?! =) | 17:01 |
| slangasek | ok :D | 17:01 |
| slangasek | oh, it's lunchtime! | 17:01 |
| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-foundations-1 to: Track: Foundations | plan the release schedule for the T cycle | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21860/foundations-t-release-schedule/ | ||
| slangasek | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/508941a4e49fdba6f0cdf553434bf845ba180889 | 18:04 |
| Laney | o/ | 18:05 |
| xnox | infinity: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-foundations-t-release-schedule | 18:05 |
| xnox | infinity: unless you release on Wednesday =) | 18:06 |
| xnox | infinity: it can still be 13.04 | 18:07 |
| xnox | (the 30th) | 18:07 |
| barry | +1 | 18:07 |
| skellat | January 30, 2014 then? | 18:08 |
| Laney | 2 weeks before seems ok to me | 18:08 |
| xnox | infinity: are you sure the T schedule is copy&paste of Saucy, it was last modified in 2011, before raring/saucy style milestones. | 18:08 |
| infinity | xnox: Last modified when now? | 18:10 |
| infinity | TSeries/ReleaseSchedule (last edited 2013-08-26 21:27:33 by adconrad | 18:10 |
| skellat | I'm sitting in for Xubuntu if that matters | 18:10 |
| infinity | Right, updated the pas. | 18:11 |
| infinity | pad* | 18:11 |
| skellat | HAHAHAHA | 18:12 |
| skellat | How about we drop Alpha 1/Alpha 2 in favor of Alpha on January 16th? | 18:15 |
| gQuigs | 1 week earlier I think is good enough | 18:18 |
| Laney | there's an extra week on beta 1 -> final beta freeze in T | 18:19 |
| cjohnston | slangasek: for me knowledge it hasn't been decided | 18:20 |
| infinity | Laney: Which wiki page are you looking at? | 18:20 |
| skellat | PLEASE MOVE UDS | 18:20 |
| Laney | infinity: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TSeries/ReleaseSchedule vs https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule | 18:20 |
| skellat | US has elections on November 5th | 18:20 |
| Laney | 20 -> 23 vs 19 -> 21 | 18:20 |
| gQuigs | so is beta going to pushed to around the 8th, instead of pushed back to march? | 18:21 |
| skellat | Especially since I have 13 hours to serve as a poll judge on November 5th | 18:21 |
| knome | :) | 18:22 |
| slangasek | gQuigs: no, everything would be pushed back a week, including the beta | 18:22 |
| infinity | Laney: Yeah, we found the extra week after looking twice. A whole room full of blind people. An extra week there for an LTS probably isn't a bad thing, though. | 18:23 |
| Laney | yes, the lag is irritating | 18:23 |
| Laney | We could use the week to have a bigger gap between beta and final freeze, to reflect on anything that comes up there, for example | 18:26 |
| * Laney gets back tae cookin | 18:27 | |
| infinity | Okay, schedule updated to match what was discussed in the session. | 18:37 |
| infinity | Plus, I did s/14.04/14.04 LTS/ | 18:37 |
| slangasek | infinity: \o/ | 18:49 |
| === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-foundations-1 to: Track: Foundations | Misc Kernel Topics | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21861/foundations-1308-kernel/ | ||
| ogasawara | slangasek: can you hit me with the hangout when you have it? | 19:06 |
| slangasek | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/81ce6e73ff9c8415f5cabc935690fc3115e0bd38 | 19:06 |
| xnox | live \o/ | 19:08 |
| arges | bjf: infinity : ack from this end | 19:16 |
| lool | I'm good | 19:20 |
| lool | ogasawara: keep in mind there's a delay between video stream and IRC | 19:20 |
| ogasawara | oops, true | 19:20 |
| lool | just got the question of whether there were any questions :-) | 19:21 |
| ogasawara | well, if there are any questions, ping me :) | 19:21 |
| lool | ogasawara: anyway all good, didn't have anything to raise :-) | 19:21 |
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