| bluesabre | pidgin uses a system tray icon, enable it from preferences | 00:02 |
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| bluesabre | ochosi: yay for gtk3 panel stuffs! | 00:03 |
| bluesabre | knome: xubuntu-icon-theme now builds correctly in the daily ppa | 00:20 |
| knome | i'm officially away, but thanks | 00:21 |
| knome | why does twitter have to lag so much | 00:22 |
| veridiam | greets | 04:50 |
| bluesabre | micahg: trying to get mugshot into debian, but the ITP is taking forever, do you thik you could get it into ubuntu if I create a bug with the source.changes file? Only asking since FF is tomorrow | 09:45 |
| bluesabre | *think | 09:45 |
| smartboyhw | bluesabre, FF is the day after tomorrow, to be exact | 09:46 |
| bluesabre | ah | 09:46 |
| bluesabre | still, getting a bit close for comfort :) | 09:46 |
| bluesabre | since debian sponsorship is unlikely to happen within 24 hours | 09:47 |
| smartboyhw | bluesabre, well, then you should get it into Ubuntu first | 09:52 |
| bluesabre | yup, hence why I am pinging micahg :D | 09:53 |
| bluesabre | knome, micahg: https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/xubuntu-default-settings/keyboard-shortcuts/+merge/182352 | 10:56 |
| bluesabre | the above merge adds additional keyboard shortcuts for hardware keys | 10:56 |
| knome | approved | 10:56 |
| bluesabre | micahg: updated https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/xubuntu-default-settings/lightdm-gtk-greeter-updates/+merge/177959 | 10:56 |
| knome | micahg, i'm just reminding you that FF is on the day after tomorrow | 10:57 |
| knome | micahg, want to make sure you either upload stuff that's pending or tell you can't, so we can look for other people to upload for us | 10:57 |
| micahg | knome: I plan on spending a few hours tonight sorting things out and uploading | 13:07 |
| knome | micahg, great to hear that :) | 13:07 |
| ochosi | micahg: awesome! | 13:08 |
| ali1234 | i heard there's a way to make gtk3 indicators work in xfce? I'd like to help testing this as it's the main reason i'm using gnome fallback instead of xubuntu right now | 17:32 |
| ochosi | ali1234: you need to build a few things from source | 17:47 |
| ochosi | if you PM me your email address i can send you the instructions i wrote up | 17:48 |
| ali1234 | no problem, sent | 17:48 |
| ochosi | ok, might take a few mins... | 17:48 |
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| ali1234 | ochosi: this is building xfce-panel against gtk3 method, right? | 18:07 |
| ochosi | the panel itself will remain gtk2, but it will accept both gtk2 and gtk3 plugins | 18:08 |
| ali1234 | is it necessary to uninstall the distro packages for each thing i build, or does /usr/local auto-override? | 18:10 |
| ochosi | the latter | 18:12 |
| ochosi | /usr/local has the advantage of letting you uninstall things in a clean way again | 18:12 |
| ochosi | but not all plugins might show up, only internal ones and ones you install (or symlink) there | 18:13 |
| ali1234 | is that why indicator-plugin is rebuilt, or is there some patch which is required in it? | 18:20 |
| ochosi | indicator-plugin doesn't support gtk3 by default | 18:21 |
| ochosi | and it didn't at all before the 1.0 release iirc | 18:21 |
| ali1234 | ah yes, i see where the gtk3 branch was merged | 18:21 |
| GridCube | knome, :) remember to update the website to add the desktop of the week and inform pleia2 when you do so she can socialmedialize it P: | 18:34 |
| ali1234 | ochosi: does indicator-plugin need autogen.sh --enable-gtk3? | 18:34 |
| Unit193 | knome: I don't think mich or puit (don't remember which) was thinking if we didn't land .12 in Saucy, they didn't think there was enough testing for T, or am I mistaken? | 18:35 |
| ochosi | ali1234: nope, otherwise i'd have added that ;) | 18:35 |
| ali1234 | ok, just checking :) | 18:35 |
| knome | GridCube, ta. | 18:35 |
| ochosi | ali1234: sure, i almost expected that because it's the only component that doesn't need that | 18:35 |
| knome | Unit193, i disagree with them though. | 18:35 |
| ali1234 | i'm wondering what it would take to get this in a ppa | 18:35 |
| ochosi | ali1234: someone who has time to do the packaging... | 18:42 |
| ali1234 | hello | 19:57 |
| knome | ali1234, right | 19:57 |
| knome | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ | 19:57 |
| ali1234 | ok, so given that the sound indicator works correctly on ubuntu, what do i report the bug against? | 19:59 |
| knome | ali1234, also, http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/#testing | 19:59 |
| ali1234 | lol, the @finding the right package@ looks like a link, bt isn't | 20:01 |
| knome | how so? | 20:01 |
| knome | it is. | 20:01 |
| knome | links to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage | 20:02 |
| ali1234 | not here. here it's just orange underlined text | 20:02 |
| knome | right, on the tracker | 20:02 |
| knome | ali1234, the tracker bug is fixed. recheck. | 20:04 |
| ali1234 | nice | 20:04 |
| ali1234 | however, this bug is xubuntu specific | 20:04 |
| knome | sure | 20:04 |
| knome | then tell it's xubuntu-specific | 20:04 |
| ali1234 | sure. which package do i report it against though? | 20:05 |
| knome | i'd say sound-indicator, and you can also mark xfce4-panel as affected by the bug | 20:05 |
| ali1234 | it's going to be indicator-sound-gtk2 right? since i haven't installed the gtk3 stuff yet | 20:05 |
| knome | i assume that's correct | 20:06 |
| knome | also check if there isn't a bug already | 20:06 |
| knome | that bug is known, but i don't know if it is reported | 20:06 |
| ali1234 | i've reported similar bugs on previous releases | 20:06 |
| ali1234 | just looking for them | 20:07 |
| knome | it's possible it'll be broken for 13.10, but we are looking for a solution or other at least for 14.04 | 20:07 |
| ali1234 | is it specifically caused by the gtk2 indicator being old and broken? | 20:08 |
| ali1234 | if not, i can't really understand why it doesn't work | 20:08 |
| knome | other people are more qualified to answer that question than me | 20:10 |
| Unit193 | Can't we say "API compatibility problems" and pretend to know and sound smart? (No, I don't know either, but as releases go, it tends to get less and less usable/breaking more and more.) | 20:12 |
| knome | it is something like that. | 20:12 |
| ali1234 | well at least that muting bug is fixed | 20:13 |
| ali1234 | (the last one i reported) | 20:13 |
| ali1234 | wow gimp is in the livecd. this makes me happy for some reason | 20:15 |
| ali1234 | done, bug 1217566 | 20:17 |
| ubottu | bug 1217566 in xfce4-panel (Ubuntu) "Sound indicator menu is empty on Xubuntu daily live image" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1217566 | 20:17 |
| knome | ali1234, and did you link that to a ISO testing report? | 20:17 |
| ali1234 | no, because i have no idea how to make one of those | 20:17 |
| ali1234 | i can;t actually do extensive testing with the iso because nouveau hangs my computer after about 10 minutes of use | 20:19 |
| ali1234 | yes, it's a known bug | 20:19 |
| knome | ali1234, i can go through it with you if you have time | 20:20 |
| ali1234 | i'm not going to be testing the iso regularly. i'm just going to install it and use it normally | 20:21 |
| knome | ali1234, would be very helpful if you could install even once per milestone and report results | 20:22 |
| knome | and worth your and our time | 20:22 |
| knome | just filing bugs is good, but it would be much more useful if they were reported along with an ISO test | 20:22 |
| ali1234 | ok then, what do i have to do? | 20:23 |
| ali1234 | i've done checkbox testing before | 20:23 |
| knome | let me grab my mouse and the power adapter, then finish a mail (few mins), and i'll be with you. ok? | 20:23 |
| ali1234 | they complained i took the instructions too literally :P | 20:23 |
| ali1234 | no problem. if i disappear my computer froze and i'll be back | 20:25 |
| knome | okay | 20:35 |
| knome | ali1234, i assume you have a launchpad account | 20:35 |
| ali1234 | ok, i'm logged in and at the section for xubuntu live image | 20:35 |
| knome | great | 20:35 |
| ali1234 | yeah :) | 20:35 |
| knome | so yes, select a milestone, then select a xubuntu product (amd64 or i386), then any test you wish to run | 20:36 |
| ali1234 | so i see "add a test result" | 20:36 |
| knome | after you've selected that, you'll be directed a page such as this: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds/52205/testcases/1301/results | 20:36 |
| ali1234 | yeah i'm on that exact page :) | 20:36 |
| knome | if you click on the "testcase" text, you should see complete instructions on running the test | 20:37 |
| knome | the instructions are long, but basically running through the installation | 20:37 |
| knome | and telling you what you should expect to happen | 20:37 |
| ali1234 | they're short for the live image, actually, they just say "test everything" | 20:37 |
| ali1234 | "All applications should function without error" | 20:37 |
| knome | mhm, right | 20:37 |
| knome | that's correct | 20:37 |
| knome | also note that there's the download information links | 20:38 |
| knome | so you should always be running the latest ISO | 20:38 |
| ali1234 | well i downloaded this iso about 2 hours ago | 20:38 |
| knome | apart from milestones, those are rebuilt daily, so it's good to double-check | 20:38 |
| ali1234 | but not from that link. how can i check i'm on the right one? | 20:38 |
| knome | try zsyncing | 20:38 |
| ali1234 | ...i'm on a live image | 20:38 |
| knome | if you run the zsync command in the directory you have the ISO, it'll make sure you have the latest version | 20:39 |
| knome | if not, it'll download the missing parts for you | 20:39 |
| Unit193 | ali1234: What's head /etc/apt/sources.list say? | 20:39 |
| ali1234 | Xubuntu 13.10 _Saucy Salamander_ - Alpha amd64 (20130827) | 20:40 |
| knome | ali1234, on the testcase page itself, you can also see the "bugs to look for" list, which is basically bugs that others have reported against the same test - doesn't hurt to quickly go through them to know what you might be seeing | 20:40 |
| knome | ali1234, and on the bottom of the page, the "add a test result" form to send the results | 20:41 |
| ali1234 | knome: are those bugs from this version, or from previous versions? should i try to reproduce and report if they're still present? | 20:41 |
| knome | ali1234, if you don't have a hw profile url, you can just type your specs in the comment field | 20:41 |
| knome | they are for this milestone, afaik | 20:42 |
| ali1234 | how do i get a hw profile? | 20:42 |
| knome | ali1234, so yes, if you have the time, you should try to reproduce | 20:42 |
| knome | ali1234, that's basically just any URL that has your hardware information. i think there has been some unified way to do that, let me find the link... | 20:42 |
| knome | ali1234, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/HardwareProfile | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | i think i might have one... i from the checkbox tests? | 20:43 |
| knome | ali1234, sounds correct | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | hmm ... i do, but i'm no sure if it is up to date | 20:44 |
| ali1234 | however, i see submissions under my fingerprint from that bug i just reported, so presumably it's the same | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | hmm wait that can't be right | 20:45 |
| knome | ali1234, as i said, basically any link with your hardware specs will do, but we don't mind if you do it the way specified in the wikipage | 20:45 |
| skellat | LP Bug 1217566 updated | 20:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1208204 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1217566 indicator-sound no longer functions with xfce4-indicator-plugin" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208204 | 20:47 |
| knome | skellat, thanks | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | this bug is already attached to the iso tracker | 20:48 |
| skellat | Yep, and now it shows up as a duplicate which means dragging in the original which has about 5 duplicates | 20:48 |
| knome | ali1234, no problem. descriptions can be upgraded and bugs marked duplicates. the ISO tracker can handle that. | 20:48 |
| ali1234 | yeah, just saying. do you still want me to do a report? | 20:49 |
| skellat | Yes | 20:49 |
| knome | ali1234, any ISO report helps, and even if the bug is filed, yes, you definitely should still list it | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | ok. i reported a dupe of this nm-applet bug too | 20:49 |
| knome | ali1234, we don't want "unique" reports, we want reports of what you got. | 20:50 |
| ali1234 | knome: can i edit the report after submitting it to add more bugs? | 21:06 |
| Noskcaj | I've fakesynced the latest version of cellmodem plugin, can someone tell me what i did wrong? https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/saucy/xfce4-cellmodem-plugin/fakesync/+merge/182503 | 21:09 |
| knome | ali1234, yep. | 21:13 |
| knome | ali1234, but make sure they are something that actually happened during that test, with that exact image. | 21:16 |
| ali1234 | ok, report sent | 21:26 |
| ali1234 | i'm rebooting into the installed image now, brb | 21:26 |
| ochosi | wii ali1234 | 22:51 |
| ali1234 | wii? | 22:51 |
| ochosi | sry, missed a / :) | 22:52 |
| ochosi | you reported that orion bug right? | 22:52 |
| ali1234 | two, actually :P | 22:52 |
| ali1234 | but yes, that's me | 22:52 |
| ochosi | ah | 22:52 |
| ochosi | i only received a notification of the window-borders bug :) | 22:53 |
| ochosi | ali1234: could you do a quick test for me? | 22:53 |
| ali1234 | sure | 22:53 |
| ochosi | just to see whether the issue will be fixed in the next upload | 22:54 |
| ochosi | could you download and extract https://github.com/shimmerproject/Orion/archive/master.zip to ~/.themes ? | 22:55 |
| ochosi | (if the dir doesn't exist, just create it) | 22:55 |
| ochosi | then switch gtk theme and window-manager theme to something else, and then back to Orion | 22:56 |
| ochosi | (close any gtk3 apps you might have open) | 22:56 |
| ochosi | then re-check both bugs | 22:56 |
| ali1234 | that doesn't seem to have made any difference at all | 22:57 |
| ochosi | could you additionaly "sudo rm -r /usr/share/themes/Orion" just in case? | 22:57 |
| ochosi | or move it to a different dir | 22:57 |
| ali1234 | i'll move it somewhere safe, but yeah | 22:57 |
| ochosi | actually if you haven't renamed Orion-master to Orion... | 22:58 |
| ali1234 | wait, i messed this up | 22:58 |
| ochosi | then you'll obviously have to change your theme to Orion-master :} | 22:58 |
| ali1234 | yes, it does indeed show as a different theme | 22:58 |
| ochosi | ok | 22:59 |
| ochosi | that's fine to | 22:59 |
| ali1234 | window borders are fixed | 22:59 |
| ochosi | no need to touch the other part then | 22:59 |
| ochosi | good | 22:59 |
| ali1234 | and the gtk3 menus are fixed too :) | 22:59 |
| ochosi | good | 22:59 |
| ochosi | that's what i hoped/expected ;) | 22:59 |
| ali1234 | thanks :) | 23:00 |
| ochosi | well thank you for both the bugreports and the immediate testing! | 23:01 |
| ali1234 | no, thank you - that's the fastest bug fix i've ever seen | 23:01 |
| ali1234 | (maybe it was already fixed, it's still the fastest response) | 23:02 |
| ochosi | good to hear :) | 23:02 |
| ali1234 | i've got another one for you, shimmer-wallpapers this time | 23:08 |
| ali1234 | when it's installed, desktop settings takes *ages* to open, i think it's because of the svgs | 23:09 |
| ochosi | hmyeah, there's a new xfdesktop release that should fix that, but i'm afraid we won't get it into this release as there are many things pending and not enough uploaders | 23:10 |
| ali1234 | is there a reason why xfce ignored /usr/share/background except for the xfce directory? | 23:12 |
| bluesabre | micahg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/catfish/+bug/1217615 | 23:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1217615 in catfish (Ubuntu) "Please update catfish on saucy to 0.8.1" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 23:13 |
| bluesabre | Just fixed the latest bug, that should take care of things for a while there | 23:14 |
| ochosi | ali1234: yeah, the whole wallpaper handling is changed in the update to xfdesktop, the current version sucks in many aspects (sorry) | 23:17 |
| micahg | bluesabre: ok, will do tonight | 23:42 |
| micahg | bluesabre: I'll take care of xubuntu-default-settings as well | 23:42 |
| bluesabre | awesome | 23:42 |
| ochosi | micahg: gmusicbrowser, gtk-theme-config? | 23:43 |
| ochosi | oh, and thoughts on my lengthy email? :) | 23:43 |
| bluesabre | micahg: I'm working on getting mugshot on mentors, when I fix the lintian bugs, would you be interested in directly uploading it to ubuntu? | 23:44 |
| micahg | bluesabre: yeah, maybe, I need to talk to -release about that | 23:44 |
| bluesabre | ok | 23:44 |
| micahg | ochosi: gmusicbrowser, yes, gtk-theme-config I'll work out something with -release | 23:44 |
| bluesabre | thanks micahg | 23:47 |
| ochosi | micahg: thanks, gotta go sleep now | 23:49 |
| ochosi | micahg: and just as a teaser, here's the gtk3 messaging menu in my gtk2 panel: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-08282013-015009am.php | 23:50 |
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