[00:02] <bluesabre> pidgin uses a system tray icon, enable it from preferences
[00:03] <bluesabre> ochosi: yay for gtk3 panel stuffs!
[00:20] <bluesabre> knome: xubuntu-icon-theme now builds correctly in the daily ppa
[00:21] <knome> i'm officially away, but thanks
[00:22] <knome> why does twitter have to lag so much
[04:50] <veridiam> greets
[09:45] <bluesabre> micahg: trying to get mugshot into debian, but the ITP is taking forever, do you thik you could get it into ubuntu if I create a bug with the source.changes file?  Only asking since FF is tomorrow
[09:45] <bluesabre> *think
[09:46] <smartboyhw> bluesabre, FF is the day after tomorrow, to be exact
[09:46] <bluesabre> ah
[09:46] <bluesabre> still, getting a bit close for comfort :)
[09:47] <bluesabre> since debian sponsorship is unlikely to happen within 24 hours
[09:52] <smartboyhw> bluesabre, well, then you should get it into Ubuntu first
[09:53] <bluesabre> yup, hence why I am pinging micahg :D
[10:56] <bluesabre> knome, micahg: https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/xubuntu-default-settings/keyboard-shortcuts/+merge/182352
[10:56] <bluesabre> the above merge adds additional keyboard shortcuts for hardware keys
[10:56] <knome> approved
[10:56] <bluesabre> micahg: updated https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/xubuntu-default-settings/lightdm-gtk-greeter-updates/+merge/177959
[10:57] <knome> micahg, i'm just reminding you that FF is on the day after tomorrow
[10:57] <knome> micahg, want to make sure you either upload stuff that's pending or tell you can't, so we can look for other people to upload for us
[13:07] <micahg> knome: I plan on spending a few hours tonight sorting things out and uploading
[13:07] <knome> micahg, great to hear that :)
[13:08] <ochosi> micahg: awesome!
[17:32] <ali1234> i heard there's a way to make gtk3 indicators work in xfce? I'd like to help testing this as it's the main reason i'm using gnome fallback instead of xubuntu right now
[17:47] <ochosi> ali1234: you need to build a few things from source
[17:48] <ochosi> if you PM me your email address i can send you the instructions i wrote up
[17:48] <ali1234> no problem, sent
[17:48] <ochosi> ok, might take a few mins...
[18:07] <ali1234> ochosi: this is building xfce-panel against gtk3 method, right?
[18:08] <ochosi> the panel itself will remain gtk2, but it will accept both gtk2 and gtk3 plugins
[18:10] <ali1234> is it necessary to uninstall the distro packages for each thing i build, or does /usr/local auto-override?
[18:12] <ochosi> the latter
[18:12] <ochosi> /usr/local has the advantage of letting you uninstall things in a clean way again
[18:13] <ochosi> but not all plugins might show up, only internal ones and ones you install (or symlink) there
[18:20] <ali1234> is that why indicator-plugin is rebuilt, or is there some patch which is required in it?
[18:21] <ochosi> indicator-plugin doesn't support gtk3 by default
[18:21] <ochosi> and it didn't at all before the 1.0 release iirc
[18:21] <ali1234> ah yes, i see where the gtk3 branch was merged
[18:34] <GridCube> knome, :) remember to update the website to add the desktop of the week and inform pleia2 when you do so she can socialmedialize it P:
[18:34] <ali1234> ochosi: does indicator-plugin need autogen.sh --enable-gtk3?
[18:35] <Unit193> knome: I don't think mich or puit (don't remember which) was thinking if we didn't land .12 in Saucy, they didn't think there was enough testing for T, or am I mistaken?
[18:35] <ochosi> ali1234: nope, otherwise i'd have added that ;)
[18:35] <ali1234> ok, just checking :)
[18:35] <knome> GridCube, ta.
[18:35] <ochosi> ali1234: sure, i almost expected that because it's the only component that doesn't need that
[18:35] <knome> Unit193, i disagree with them though.
[18:35] <ali1234> i'm wondering what it would take to get this in a ppa
[18:42] <ochosi> ali1234: someone who has time to do the packaging...
[19:57] <ali1234> hello
[19:57] <knome> ali1234, right
[19:57] <knome> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[19:59] <ali1234> ok, so given that the sound indicator works correctly on ubuntu, what do i report the bug against?
[19:59] <knome> ali1234, also, http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/#testing
[20:01] <ali1234> lol, the @finding the right package@ looks like a link, bt isn't
[20:01] <knome> how so?
[20:01] <knome> it is.
[20:02] <knome> links to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage
[20:02] <ali1234> not here. here it's just orange underlined text
[20:02] <knome> right, on the tracker
[20:04] <knome> ali1234, the tracker bug is fixed. recheck.
[20:04] <ali1234> nice
[20:04] <ali1234> however, this bug is xubuntu specific
[20:04] <knome> sure
[20:04] <knome> then tell it's xubuntu-specific
[20:05] <ali1234> sure. which package do i report it against though?
[20:05] <knome> i'd say sound-indicator, and you can also mark xfce4-panel as affected by the bug
[20:05] <ali1234> it's going to be indicator-sound-gtk2 right? since i haven't installed the gtk3 stuff yet
[20:06] <knome> i assume that's correct
[20:06] <knome> also check if there isn't a bug already
[20:06] <knome> that bug is known, but i don't know if it is reported
[20:06] <ali1234> i've reported similar bugs on previous releases
[20:07] <ali1234> just looking for them
[20:07] <knome> it's possible it'll be broken for 13.10, but we are looking for a solution or other at least for 14.04
[20:08] <ali1234> is it specifically caused by the gtk2 indicator being old and broken?
[20:08] <ali1234> if not, i can't really understand why it doesn't work
[20:10] <knome> other people are more qualified to answer that question than me
[20:12] <Unit193> Can't we say "API compatibility problems" and pretend to know and sound smart?  (No, I don't  know either, but as releases go, it tends to get less and less usable/breaking more and more.)
[20:12] <knome> it is something like that.
[20:13] <ali1234> well at least that muting bug is fixed
[20:13] <ali1234> (the last one i reported)
[20:15] <ali1234> wow gimp is in the livecd. this makes me happy for some reason
[20:17] <ali1234> done, bug 1217566
[20:17] <knome> ali1234, and did you link that to a ISO testing report?
[20:17] <ali1234> no, because i have no idea how to make one of those
[20:19] <ali1234> i can;t actually do extensive testing with the iso because nouveau hangs my computer after about 10 minutes of use
[20:19] <ali1234> yes, it's a known bug
[20:20] <knome> ali1234, i can go through it with you if you have time
[20:21] <ali1234> i'm not going to be testing the iso regularly. i'm just going to install it and use it normally
[20:22] <knome> ali1234, would be very helpful if you could install even once per milestone and report results
[20:22] <knome> and worth your and our time
[20:22] <knome> just filing bugs is good, but it would be much more useful if they were reported along with an ISO test
[20:23] <ali1234> ok then, what do i have to do?
[20:23] <ali1234> i've done checkbox testing before
[20:23] <knome> let me grab my mouse and the power adapter, then finish a mail (few mins), and i'll be with you. ok?
[20:23] <ali1234> they complained i took the instructions too literally :P
[20:25] <ali1234> no problem. if i disappear my computer froze and i'll be back
[20:35] <knome> okay
[20:35] <knome> ali1234, i assume you have a launchpad account
[20:35] <ali1234> ok, i'm logged in and at the section for xubuntu live image
[20:35] <knome> great
[20:35] <ali1234> yeah :)
[20:36] <knome> so yes, select a milestone, then select a xubuntu product (amd64 or i386), then any test you wish to run
[20:36] <ali1234> so i see "add a test result"
[20:36] <knome> after you've selected that, you'll be directed a page such as this: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds/52205/testcases/1301/results
[20:36] <ali1234> yeah i'm on that exact page :)
[20:37] <knome> if you click on the "testcase" text, you should see complete instructions on running the test
[20:37] <knome> the instructions are long, but basically running through the installation
[20:37] <knome> and telling you what you should expect to happen
[20:37] <ali1234> they're short for the live image, actually, they just say "test everything"
[20:37] <ali1234> "All applications should function without error"
[20:37] <knome> mhm, right
[20:37] <knome> that's correct
[20:38] <knome> also note that there's the download information links
[20:38] <knome> so you should always be running the latest ISO
[20:38] <ali1234> well i downloaded this iso about 2 hours ago
[20:38] <knome> apart from milestones, those are rebuilt daily, so it's good to double-check
[20:38] <ali1234> but not from that link. how can i check i'm on the right one?
[20:38] <knome> try zsyncing
[20:38] <ali1234> ...i'm on a live image
[20:39] <knome> if you run the zsync command in the directory you have the ISO, it'll make sure you have the latest version
[20:39] <knome> if not, it'll download the missing parts for you
[20:39] <Unit193> ali1234: What's head /etc/apt/sources.list say?
[20:40] <ali1234> Xubuntu 13.10 _Saucy Salamander_ - Alpha amd64 (20130827)
[20:40] <knome> ali1234, on the testcase page itself, you can also see the "bugs to look for" list, which is basically bugs that others have reported against the same test - doesn't hurt to quickly go through them to know what you might be seeing
[20:41] <knome> ali1234, and on the bottom of the page, the "add a test result" form to send the results
[20:41] <ali1234> knome: are those bugs from this version, or from previous versions? should i try to reproduce and report if they're still present?
[20:41] <knome> ali1234, if you don't have a hw profile url, you can just type your specs in the comment field
[20:42] <knome> they are for this milestone, afaik
[20:42] <ali1234> how do i get a hw profile?
[20:42] <knome> ali1234, so yes, if you have the time, you should try to reproduce
[20:42] <knome> ali1234, that's basically just any URL that has your hardware information. i think there has been some unified way to do that, let me find the link...
[20:43] <knome> ali1234, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/HardwareProfile
[20:43] <ali1234> i think i might have one... i from the checkbox tests?
[20:43] <knome> ali1234, sounds correct
[20:44] <ali1234> hmm ... i do, but i'm no sure if it is up to date
[20:45] <ali1234> however, i see submissions under my fingerprint from that bug i just reported, so presumably it's the same
[20:45] <ali1234> hmm wait that can't be right
[20:45] <knome> ali1234, as i said, basically any link with your hardware specs will do, but we don't mind if you do it the way specified in the wikipage
[20:47] <skellat> LP Bug 1217566 updated
[20:47] <knome> skellat, thanks
[20:48] <ali1234> this bug is already attached to the iso tracker
[20:48] <skellat> Yep, and now it shows up as a duplicate which means dragging in the original which has about 5 duplicates
[20:48] <knome> ali1234, no problem. descriptions can be upgraded and bugs marked duplicates. the ISO tracker can handle that.
[20:49] <ali1234> yeah, just saying. do you still want me to do a report?
[20:49] <skellat> Yes
[20:49] <knome> ali1234, any ISO report helps, and even if the bug is filed, yes, you definitely should still list it
[20:49] <ali1234> ok. i reported a dupe of this nm-applet bug too
[20:50] <knome> ali1234, we don't want "unique" reports, we want reports of what you got.
[21:06] <ali1234> knome: can i edit the report after submitting it to add more bugs?
[21:09] <Noskcaj> I've fakesynced the latest version of cellmodem plugin, can someone tell me what i did wrong? https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/saucy/xfce4-cellmodem-plugin/fakesync/+merge/182503
[21:13] <knome> ali1234, yep.
[21:16] <knome> ali1234, but make sure they are something that actually happened during that test, with that exact image.
[21:26] <ali1234> ok, report sent
[21:26] <ali1234> i'm rebooting into the installed image now, brb
[22:51] <ochosi> wii ali1234 
[22:51] <ali1234> wii?
[22:52] <ochosi> sry, missed a / :)
[22:52] <ochosi> you reported that orion bug right?
[22:52] <ali1234> two, actually :P
[22:52] <ali1234> but yes, that's me
[22:52] <ochosi> ah
[22:53] <ochosi> i only received a notification of the window-borders bug :)
[22:53] <ochosi> ali1234: could you do a quick test for me?
[22:53] <ali1234> sure
[22:54] <ochosi> just to see whether the issue will be fixed in the next upload
[22:55] <ochosi> could you download and extract https://github.com/shimmerproject/Orion/archive/master.zip to ~/.themes ?
[22:55] <ochosi> (if the dir doesn't exist, just create it)
[22:56] <ochosi> then switch gtk theme and window-manager theme to something else, and then back to Orion
[22:56] <ochosi> (close any gtk3 apps you might have open)
[22:56] <ochosi> then re-check both bugs
[22:57] <ali1234> that doesn't seem to have made any difference at all
[22:57] <ochosi> could you additionaly "sudo rm -r /usr/share/themes/Orion" just in case?
[22:57] <ochosi> or move it to a different dir
[22:57] <ali1234> i'll move it somewhere safe, but yeah
[22:58] <ochosi> actually if you haven't renamed Orion-master to Orion...
[22:58] <ali1234> wait, i messed this up
[22:58] <ochosi> then you'll obviously have to change your theme to Orion-master :}
[22:58] <ali1234> yes, it does indeed show as a different theme
[22:59] <ochosi> ok
[22:59] <ochosi> that's fine to
[22:59] <ali1234> window borders are fixed
[22:59] <ochosi> no need to touch the other part then
[22:59] <ochosi> good
[22:59] <ali1234> and the gtk3 menus are fixed too :)
[22:59] <ochosi> good
[22:59] <ochosi> that's what i hoped/expected ;)
[23:00] <ali1234> thanks :)
[23:01] <ochosi> well thank you for both the bugreports and the immediate testing!
[23:01] <ali1234> no, thank you - that's the fastest bug fix i've ever seen
[23:02] <ali1234> (maybe it was already fixed, it's still the fastest response)
[23:02] <ochosi> good to hear :)
[23:08] <ali1234> i've got another one for you, shimmer-wallpapers this time
[23:09] <ali1234> when it's installed, desktop settings takes *ages* to open, i think it's because of the svgs
[23:10] <ochosi> hmyeah, there's a new xfdesktop release that should fix that, but i'm afraid we won't get it into this release as there are many things pending and not enough uploaders
[23:12] <ali1234> is there a reason why xfce ignored /usr/share/background except for the xfce directory?
[23:13] <bluesabre> micahg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/catfish/+bug/1217615
[23:14] <bluesabre> Just fixed the latest bug, that should take care of things for a while there
[23:17] <ochosi> ali1234: yeah, the whole wallpaper handling is changed in the update to xfdesktop, the current version sucks in many aspects (sorry)
[23:42] <micahg> bluesabre: ok, will do tonight
[23:42] <micahg> bluesabre: I'll take care of xubuntu-default-settings as well
[23:42] <bluesabre> awesome
[23:43] <ochosi> micahg: gmusicbrowser, gtk-theme-config?
[23:43] <ochosi> oh, and thoughts on my lengthy email? :)
[23:44] <bluesabre> micahg: I'm working on getting mugshot on mentors, when I fix the lintian bugs, would you be interested in directly uploading it to ubuntu?
[23:44] <micahg> bluesabre: yeah, maybe, I need to talk to -release about that
[23:44] <bluesabre> ok
[23:44] <micahg> ochosi: gmusicbrowser, yes, gtk-theme-config I'll work out something with -release
[23:47] <bluesabre> thanks micahg
[23:49] <ochosi> micahg: thanks, gotta go sleep now
[23:50] <ochosi> micahg: and just as a teaser, here's the gtk3 messaging menu in my gtk2 panel: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-08282013-015009am.php