[00:02] pidgin uses a system tray icon, enable it from preferences [00:03] ochosi: yay for gtk3 panel stuffs! [00:20] knome: xubuntu-icon-theme now builds correctly in the daily ppa [00:21] i'm officially away, but thanks [00:22] why does twitter have to lag so much [04:50] greets [09:45] micahg: trying to get mugshot into debian, but the ITP is taking forever, do you thik you could get it into ubuntu if I create a bug with the source.changes file? Only asking since FF is tomorrow [09:45] *think [09:46] bluesabre, FF is the day after tomorrow, to be exact [09:46] ah [09:46] still, getting a bit close for comfort :) [09:47] since debian sponsorship is unlikely to happen within 24 hours [09:52] bluesabre, well, then you should get it into Ubuntu first [09:53] yup, hence why I am pinging micahg :D [10:56] knome, micahg: https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/xubuntu-default-settings/keyboard-shortcuts/+merge/182352 [10:56] the above merge adds additional keyboard shortcuts for hardware keys [10:56] approved [10:56] micahg: updated https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/xubuntu-default-settings/lightdm-gtk-greeter-updates/+merge/177959 [10:57] micahg, i'm just reminding you that FF is on the day after tomorrow [10:57] micahg, want to make sure you either upload stuff that's pending or tell you can't, so we can look for other people to upload for us [13:07] knome: I plan on spending a few hours tonight sorting things out and uploading [13:07] micahg, great to hear that :) [13:08] micahg: awesome! [17:32] i heard there's a way to make gtk3 indicators work in xfce? I'd like to help testing this as it's the main reason i'm using gnome fallback instead of xubuntu right now [17:47] ali1234: you need to build a few things from source [17:48] if you PM me your email address i can send you the instructions i wrote up [17:48] no problem, sent [17:48] ok, might take a few mins... === olli_ is now known as olli [18:07] ochosi: this is building xfce-panel against gtk3 method, right? [18:08] the panel itself will remain gtk2, but it will accept both gtk2 and gtk3 plugins [18:10] is it necessary to uninstall the distro packages for each thing i build, or does /usr/local auto-override? [18:12] the latter [18:12] /usr/local has the advantage of letting you uninstall things in a clean way again [18:13] but not all plugins might show up, only internal ones and ones you install (or symlink) there [18:20] is that why indicator-plugin is rebuilt, or is there some patch which is required in it? [18:21] indicator-plugin doesn't support gtk3 by default [18:21] and it didn't at all before the 1.0 release iirc [18:21] ah yes, i see where the gtk3 branch was merged [18:34] knome, :) remember to update the website to add the desktop of the week and inform pleia2 when you do so she can socialmedialize it P: [18:34] ochosi: does indicator-plugin need autogen.sh --enable-gtk3? [18:35] knome: I don't think mich or puit (don't remember which) was thinking if we didn't land .12 in Saucy, they didn't think there was enough testing for T, or am I mistaken? [18:35] ali1234: nope, otherwise i'd have added that ;) [18:35] ok, just checking :) [18:35] GridCube, ta. [18:35] ali1234: sure, i almost expected that because it's the only component that doesn't need that [18:35] Unit193, i disagree with them though. [18:35] i'm wondering what it would take to get this in a ppa [18:42] ali1234: someone who has time to do the packaging... [19:57] hello [19:57] ali1234, right [19:57] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ [19:59] ok, so given that the sound indicator works correctly on ubuntu, what do i report the bug against? [19:59] ali1234, also, http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/#testing [20:01] lol, the @finding the right package@ looks like a link, bt isn't [20:01] how so? [20:01] it is. [20:02] links to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage [20:02] not here. here it's just orange underlined text [20:02] right, on the tracker [20:04] ali1234, the tracker bug is fixed. recheck. [20:04] nice [20:04] however, this bug is xubuntu specific [20:04] sure [20:04] then tell it's xubuntu-specific [20:05] sure. which package do i report it against though? [20:05] i'd say sound-indicator, and you can also mark xfce4-panel as affected by the bug [20:05] it's going to be indicator-sound-gtk2 right? since i haven't installed the gtk3 stuff yet [20:06] i assume that's correct [20:06] also check if there isn't a bug already [20:06] that bug is known, but i don't know if it is reported [20:06] i've reported similar bugs on previous releases [20:07] just looking for them [20:07] it's possible it'll be broken for 13.10, but we are looking for a solution or other at least for 14.04 [20:08] is it specifically caused by the gtk2 indicator being old and broken? [20:08] if not, i can't really understand why it doesn't work [20:10] other people are more qualified to answer that question than me [20:12] Can't we say "API compatibility problems" and pretend to know and sound smart? (No, I don't know either, but as releases go, it tends to get less and less usable/breaking more and more.) [20:12] it is something like that. [20:13] well at least that muting bug is fixed [20:13] (the last one i reported) [20:15] wow gimp is in the livecd. this makes me happy for some reason [20:17] done, bug 1217566 [20:17] bug 1217566 in xfce4-panel (Ubuntu) "Sound indicator menu is empty on Xubuntu daily live image" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1217566 [20:17] ali1234, and did you link that to a ISO testing report? [20:17] no, because i have no idea how to make one of those [20:19] i can;t actually do extensive testing with the iso because nouveau hangs my computer after about 10 minutes of use [20:19] yes, it's a known bug [20:20] ali1234, i can go through it with you if you have time [20:21] i'm not going to be testing the iso regularly. i'm just going to install it and use it normally [20:22] ali1234, would be very helpful if you could install even once per milestone and report results [20:22] and worth your and our time [20:22] just filing bugs is good, but it would be much more useful if they were reported along with an ISO test [20:23] ok then, what do i have to do? [20:23] i've done checkbox testing before [20:23] let me grab my mouse and the power adapter, then finish a mail (few mins), and i'll be with you. ok? [20:23] they complained i took the instructions too literally :P [20:25] no problem. if i disappear my computer froze and i'll be back [20:35] okay [20:35] ali1234, i assume you have a launchpad account [20:35] ok, i'm logged in and at the section for xubuntu live image [20:35] great [20:35] yeah :) [20:36] so yes, select a milestone, then select a xubuntu product (amd64 or i386), then any test you wish to run [20:36] so i see "add a test result" [20:36] after you've selected that, you'll be directed a page such as this: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds/52205/testcases/1301/results [20:36] yeah i'm on that exact page :) [20:37] if you click on the "testcase" text, you should see complete instructions on running the test [20:37] the instructions are long, but basically running through the installation [20:37] and telling you what you should expect to happen [20:37] they're short for the live image, actually, they just say "test everything" [20:37] "All applications should function without error" [20:37] mhm, right [20:37] that's correct [20:38] also note that there's the download information links [20:38] so you should always be running the latest ISO [20:38] well i downloaded this iso about 2 hours ago [20:38] apart from milestones, those are rebuilt daily, so it's good to double-check [20:38] but not from that link. how can i check i'm on the right one? [20:38] try zsyncing [20:38] ...i'm on a live image [20:39] if you run the zsync command in the directory you have the ISO, it'll make sure you have the latest version [20:39] if not, it'll download the missing parts for you [20:39] ali1234: What's head /etc/apt/sources.list say? [20:40] Xubuntu 13.10 _Saucy Salamander_ - Alpha amd64 (20130827) [20:40] ali1234, on the testcase page itself, you can also see the "bugs to look for" list, which is basically bugs that others have reported against the same test - doesn't hurt to quickly go through them to know what you might be seeing [20:41] ali1234, and on the bottom of the page, the "add a test result" form to send the results [20:41] knome: are those bugs from this version, or from previous versions? should i try to reproduce and report if they're still present? [20:41] ali1234, if you don't have a hw profile url, you can just type your specs in the comment field [20:42] they are for this milestone, afaik [20:42] how do i get a hw profile? [20:42] ali1234, so yes, if you have the time, you should try to reproduce [20:42] ali1234, that's basically just any URL that has your hardware information. i think there has been some unified way to do that, let me find the link... [20:43] ali1234, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/HardwareProfile [20:43] i think i might have one... i from the checkbox tests? [20:43] ali1234, sounds correct [20:44] hmm ... i do, but i'm no sure if it is up to date [20:45] however, i see submissions under my fingerprint from that bug i just reported, so presumably it's the same [20:45] hmm wait that can't be right [20:45] ali1234, as i said, basically any link with your hardware specs will do, but we don't mind if you do it the way specified in the wikipage [20:47] LP Bug 1217566 updated [20:47] Launchpad bug 1208204 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1217566 indicator-sound no longer functions with xfce4-indicator-plugin" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208204 [20:47] skellat, thanks [20:48] this bug is already attached to the iso tracker [20:48] Yep, and now it shows up as a duplicate which means dragging in the original which has about 5 duplicates [20:48] ali1234, no problem. descriptions can be upgraded and bugs marked duplicates. the ISO tracker can handle that. [20:49] yeah, just saying. do you still want me to do a report? [20:49] Yes [20:49] ali1234, any ISO report helps, and even if the bug is filed, yes, you definitely should still list it [20:49] ok. i reported a dupe of this nm-applet bug too [20:50] ali1234, we don't want "unique" reports, we want reports of what you got. [21:06] knome: can i edit the report after submitting it to add more bugs? [21:09] I've fakesynced the latest version of cellmodem plugin, can someone tell me what i did wrong? https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/saucy/xfce4-cellmodem-plugin/fakesync/+merge/182503 [21:13] ali1234, yep. [21:16] ali1234, but make sure they are something that actually happened during that test, with that exact image. [21:26] ok, report sent [21:26] i'm rebooting into the installed image now, brb [22:51] wii ali1234 [22:51] wii? [22:52] sry, missed a / :) [22:52] you reported that orion bug right? [22:52] two, actually :P [22:52] but yes, that's me [22:52] ah [22:53] i only received a notification of the window-borders bug :) [22:53] ali1234: could you do a quick test for me? [22:53] sure [22:54] just to see whether the issue will be fixed in the next upload [22:55] could you download and extract https://github.com/shimmerproject/Orion/archive/master.zip to ~/.themes ? [22:55] (if the dir doesn't exist, just create it) [22:56] then switch gtk theme and window-manager theme to something else, and then back to Orion [22:56] (close any gtk3 apps you might have open) [22:56] then re-check both bugs [22:57] that doesn't seem to have made any difference at all [22:57] could you additionaly "sudo rm -r /usr/share/themes/Orion" just in case? [22:57] or move it to a different dir [22:57] i'll move it somewhere safe, but yeah [22:58] actually if you haven't renamed Orion-master to Orion... [22:58] wait, i messed this up [22:58] then you'll obviously have to change your theme to Orion-master :} [22:58] yes, it does indeed show as a different theme [22:59] ok [22:59] that's fine to [22:59] window borders are fixed [22:59] no need to touch the other part then [22:59] good [22:59] and the gtk3 menus are fixed too :) [22:59] good [22:59] that's what i hoped/expected ;) [23:00] thanks :) [23:01] well thank you for both the bugreports and the immediate testing! [23:01] no, thank you - that's the fastest bug fix i've ever seen [23:02] (maybe it was already fixed, it's still the fastest response) [23:02] good to hear :) [23:08] i've got another one for you, shimmer-wallpapers this time [23:09] when it's installed, desktop settings takes *ages* to open, i think it's because of the svgs [23:10] hmyeah, there's a new xfdesktop release that should fix that, but i'm afraid we won't get it into this release as there are many things pending and not enough uploaders [23:12] is there a reason why xfce ignored /usr/share/background except for the xfce directory? [23:13] micahg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/catfish/+bug/1217615 [23:13] Launchpad bug 1217615 in catfish (Ubuntu) "Please update catfish on saucy to 0.8.1" [Undecided,Confirmed] [23:14] Just fixed the latest bug, that should take care of things for a while there [23:17] ali1234: yeah, the whole wallpaper handling is changed in the update to xfdesktop, the current version sucks in many aspects (sorry) [23:42] bluesabre: ok, will do tonight [23:42] bluesabre: I'll take care of xubuntu-default-settings as well [23:42] awesome [23:43] micahg: gmusicbrowser, gtk-theme-config? [23:43] oh, and thoughts on my lengthy email? :) [23:44] micahg: I'm working on getting mugshot on mentors, when I fix the lintian bugs, would you be interested in directly uploading it to ubuntu? [23:44] bluesabre: yeah, maybe, I need to talk to -release about that [23:44] ok [23:44] ochosi: gmusicbrowser, yes, gtk-theme-config I'll work out something with -release [23:47] thanks micahg [23:49] micahg: thanks, gotta go sleep now [23:50] micahg: and just as a teaser, here's the gtk3 messaging menu in my gtk2 panel: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-08282013-015009am.php