[00:57] <vanishing> gnome-fallback sessions seems broken
[00:57] <vanishing> black screen anyone?
[01:49] <elvis4526> Hi just saw the recent benchmark on openarena running under xmir. How can xmir perform better then X itself ?
[01:51] <penguin42> looks like bug 1204691
[01:51] <penguin42> classic bug
[01:51] <penguin42> elvis4526: I don't know, but I think they're saying that normal X has some frame rate limiting to the sync rate of your monitor
[02:41] <elvis4526> well is this a good thing ?
[02:50] <wilee-nilee> test
[05:15] <DJJeff> im running Xubuntu 13.10 Saucy and gnome based apps take 45+ seconds to start
[05:15] <DJJeff> I did an strace and got this http://paste.ubuntu.com/6035422/
[05:16] <DJJeff> "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply"
[10:31] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:35] <vanishing> knock knock
[13:38] <Pici> who's there?
[13:39] <vanishing> canoe
[13:58] <BluesKaj> vanishing, got a question ?
[13:58] <vanishing> BluesKaj: yep..I am wondering if you can do me a favor
[13:58] <vanishing> can you check if your flashback sessions are working on 13.10
[13:59] <BluesKaj> flashback sessions?
[13:59] <vanishing> BluesKaj: gnome-sessions-flashback in the repo
[13:59] <vanishing> BluesKaj: its the old gnome session..with gnome-panel
[14:00] <BluesKaj> vanishing, I'm a KDE user
[14:00] <vanishing> BluesKaj: I see....
[14:00] <BluesKaj> are you talking about /var/log
[14:01] <vanishing> BluesKaj: var log?
[14:01] <vanishing> no..i mean
[14:01] <vanishing> can you actually try to log into that session :D
[14:01] <vanishing> I've tested on 3 machines, all of them ends up in a "blackscreen with cursor" state
[14:02] <BluesKaj> vanishing, previous sessions ?
[14:03] <vanishing> BluesKaj: well..it worked before yesterday
[14:04] <BluesKaj> still don't know what you mean
[14:04] <BluesKaj> nm
[14:04] <BluesKaj> forget i even asked
[14:05] <vanishing> BluesKaj: lol...kk
[14:06] <BluesKaj> vanishing, if you explain what you mean then I can't try it
[14:07] <BluesKaj> but otherise ....
[14:07] <vanishing> BluesKaj: sure..Can you try to install gnome-sessions-fallback, log out to lightdm, and pick gnome-flashback as session to log in
[14:07] <vanishing> :D
[14:08] <BluesKaj> sorry I'm not going to fool with gnome stuff
[14:09] <vanishing> alright..:)
[14:32] <penguin42> vanishing: Hang on, let me fire up a vm
[14:32] <vanishing> penguin42: thank you!
[14:33]  * penguin42 has a can-someone-try-it - can someone start libreoffice and open a new spreadhseet - do you get a reasonable number of rows/columns?
[14:34]  * vanishing lols
[14:36] <penguin42> vanishing: I'm just running an update in my VM - should take about 10 mins
[14:36] <vanishing> penguin42: sure thing, I'm in no hurry :D
[14:37] <penguin42> neither is my DSL....
[14:37] <vanishing> penguin42: haha...I consider myself impatient
[14:38] <penguin42> vanishing: I'm hopefully getting Cable about 3.5 times faster on Friday
[14:38] <vanishing> downloading stuff at less than 500k makes wanna tear my hairs out..
[14:38] <vanishing> but I'm used to ubuntu breakage now :P
[14:38] <penguin42> it's managing about 7.5Mbps/750KBps
[14:39] <vanishing> penguin42: where are you?
[14:39] <penguin42> Manchester, UK
[14:39] <vanishing> penguin42: im in toronto, 25m/2m here :D
[14:40] <penguin42> vanishing: I should have 30/3 by Friday
[14:41] <vanishing> penguin42: ;P..no more DSL
[14:42] <vanishing> the ubuntu +1 forum is so quiet compared to 10.10 or before days..
[14:42] <vanishing> its like..so many people quit or something.
[14:44] <penguin42> I think IRC generally is a lot quieter as well over the last few years
[14:44] <vanishing> not sure what happened.. :|
[14:45] <penguin42> vanishing: So what does opening a new libreoffice spreadhseet do for you?
[14:46] <vanishing> penguin42: is it called libreoffice calc or something?
[14:46] <vanishing> it just...opens up
[14:47] <BluesKaj> wish Bell would run their fibre service into our town the trunk line runs by us less than a mile away , but we're stuck with DSL here ...the whole town is fibered by the cable co , but their TV service is crappy so their internet is expensive by itself.
[14:47] <penguin42> vanishing: OK, and how many rows/cols do you have - can you see the text of the row numbering or are there zillions?
[14:48] <vanishing> penguin42: its scrolling infinitely...I can see the numbers growing
[14:48] <penguin42> vanishing: OK for me it's displaying hundreds of rows on screen when I open it; too small to read the row numbers
[14:49] <vanishing> penguin42: config problem?
[14:49] <penguin42> maybe
[14:50] <penguin42> vanishing: Hmm yes, nuking ~/.config/libreoffice fixed it
[14:50] <penguin42> (my vm has nearly updated)
[14:50] <vanishing> BluesKaj: story of canadian  monopoly..
[14:50] <vanishing> penguin42: :D
[14:50] <BluesKaj> libreoffice calc looks good here, mice and stable
[14:50] <BluesKaj> nice3
[14:51] <vanishing> my old install(perfect setup for me) got trashed on Sunday
[14:51] <BluesKaj> vanishing, yeah , I could switch to cable , but it's not worth the trouble for us
[14:51] <vanishing> had to reimage :(
[14:51] <vanishing> BluesKaj: especially with their contracts and stuff
[14:52] <penguin42> vanishing: OK, so how do I test this gnome thing
[14:52] <BluesKaj> i have no contracts , made sure of that
[14:52] <vanishing> penguin42: hmm..just install gnome-sessions-fallback...log out. in lightdm choose gnome-flashback-compiz and log in :D
[14:52] <vanishing> BluesKaj: lucky dude
[14:53] <vanishing> BluesKaj: rogers makes sure you are on a leash
[14:53] <vanishing> or rather, us..the unfortunate ones
[14:53] <BluesKaj> vanishing, been with them for many yrs
[14:53] <BluesKaj> bell that is
[14:53] <penguin42> vanishing: I've a choice between Gnome Flashback and Gnome Flashback (No effects)
[14:53] <penguin42> vanishing: The 1st one seems to work OK in my VM
[14:53]  * genii makes more coffee
[14:54] <vanishing> BluesKaj: I had bell before, but that is when I lived in an apartment, it was old..not very good for DSL
[14:54] <BluesKaj> 'morning genii
[14:54] <vanishing> penguin42: it loged in okay?
[14:54] <vanishing> logged*
[14:54] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Yeh so the reason I'm switching is 1) My DSL speed dropped and it's undebuggable  2) The Cable company finally published their details of when they do rate limiting  3) It's 20% more cost for 3-4x faster
[14:54] <penguin42> vanishing: Yeh
[14:54] <genii> BluesKaj: Mornin'! Spent most of it earlier drying out our basement at home before going to work....
[14:55] <vanishing> penguin42: aww man...whats wrong with my install...
[14:55] <vanishing> its a fresh install as well
[14:55] <penguin42> vanishing: Does the 'No effects' version work?
[14:55] <vanishing> nope..
[14:55] <vanishing> only unity and gnome-shell
[14:55] <vanishing> works
[14:55] <BluesKaj> genii, yeah i see you guys got quite a storm there yesterday
[14:55] <penguin42> vanishing: Hmm ok, you say you get a black screen? What about if you do it in a new user?
[14:55] <vanishing> penguin42: samething :D
[14:56] <vanishing> tested with all the usually steps
[14:56] <vanishing> i do see some error with gnome-settings-daemon though
[14:56]  * genii shakes a fist at the gathering storm clouds then goes back to pumping out the basement at work
[14:56] <vanishing> genii: good luck man
[14:57] <vanishing> ** (gnome-settings-daemon:1041): WARNING **: Name taken or bus went away - shutting down
[14:57] <BluesKaj> penguin42, yeah i could go from 50bucks to 65 with 3-5 times speed increase , but they do throttle as well
[14:57] <vanishing> this is in the greeters log
[14:59] <penguin42> vanishing: I get that as well - but it logs in OK
[14:59] <penguin42> vanishing: so you say you've got a blackscreen?
[14:59] <vanishing> yep...
[15:00] <penguin42> vanishing: Can you log in remotely, or use ctrl-alt-f1 to get a text console and see what's running
[15:00] <vanishing> I could reinstall it again.....
[15:01] <penguin42> well not sure that would help
[15:01] <vanishing> penguin42: I could ctrl-alt-f1 to restart lightdm even
[15:01] <vanishing> also...I can't log out
[15:01] <vanishing> when I log out, it just hangs
[15:02] <penguin42> vanishing: ok, but if you've got it in that hang then the thing is to find out what's going on - is stuff running? Anything in the X log?
[15:03] <vanishing> penguin42: its pretty quiet in the x log..
[15:03] <vanishing> let me try to log in through gnome fallback again
[15:04] <vanishing> brb
[15:08] <vanishing> penguin42: hmmm..nothing is coming up..
[15:09] <penguin42> vanishing: OK, so if you do a ps -eaf can you see all the gnome stuff?
[15:10] <vanishing> another thing I see in the greeter log is: Error registering user list dbus object: an object is already exported for the interface com.canonical.UnityGreeter.List at /list
[15:10] <vanishing> penguin42: yea..they seem ok
[15:10] <vanishing> no gnome-panel and stuff like that though
[15:10] <vanishing> only gnome-session, gnome-settings-daemon
[15:11] <penguin42> vanishing: OK, so you could check .xsession-errors  but it's very chatty even on a working system
[15:12] <vanishing> penguin42: nope..only about 12 lines...
[15:12] <penguin42> ah, any of them interesting?
[15:12] <vanishing> and its about at-spi2-registryd respawning too fast
[15:13] <penguin42> I don't have that - so I say blame it
[15:14] <vanishing> not even sure what at-api2-registryd is..lol
[15:14] <vanishing> I wish jarvis is real...you can just say..fix it jarvis
[15:21] <vanishing> im gonna reinstall it, install gnome-sessions-flashback and log straight into that...
[15:21] <vanishing> see if that works..(i did install nvidia driver, pf kernel and some other apps)
[15:23] <vanishing> brb in a new life :D
[15:55] <vanishing> its alive
[15:56] <vanishing> penguin42: im back with a new install :D
[16:25] <vanishing> seems like its working..
[17:16] <vanishing> penguin42: I think I found the culprit....
[17:16] <vanishing> nvidia problem...
[17:18] <penguin42> ah, normal culprit
[17:25] <genii> Heh.
[17:30] <vanishing> penguin42: strange though, I made sure nvidia is installed correctly :(
[17:31] <vanishing> upgrading system..see if that breaks anything
[19:14] <Dark_light> I'm not sure this is strictly related to 13.10 but still, after closing a window the foucs is not returned to the desktop so basically if I open files and close it clicking on the X button the writing "Files" is still displayed in the bar on the top left
[19:40] <wilee-nilee> look up a reset on the desktop, be sure it is for that release or at least 13.04
[19:41] <Dark_light> wilee-nilee: I'm not quite sure what I should look up where
[19:42] <wilee-nilee> do younthink
[19:43] <wilee-nilee> do you think you should be running a development then?
[19:45] <Dark_light> it's just not clear what you said
[19:45] <wilee-nilee> a reset of unity is a common topic
[19:46] <Dark_light> I normally don't use it that explains it
[19:47] <wilee-nilee> just a suggestion I can not guarantee that is the fix
[19:47] <Dark_light> I'll give it a shot, it's worth mentioning that I'm on a live session
[19:50] <wilee-nilee> not really applicable to fix probably, could be a number of reasons why you have this happening, hard to say really
[19:53] <Dark_light> unrelated, always in the live session I can't start the software-center it just uses my whole cpu till I kill it
[19:58] <ChogyDan> hey Dark_light, fwiw, I wouldn't bother testing a livecd session like that till one is formally released.  I don't think there were any alphas
[19:59] <ChogyDan> annnnd, the beta is still a week a way it looks like
[20:01] <Ampelbein> Dark_light: Would bug 934189 describe your issue?
[20:01] <Ampelbein> ChogyDan: Alpha2 was on 07/25 as far as I know.
[20:02] <ChogyDan> Ampelbein: but there wasn't an iso
[20:02] <Dark_light> Ampelbein: sort of with the excpeption of conky
[20:03] <Ampelbein> ChogyDan: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/saucy/alpha-2/ has isos. But maybe I'm misunderstanding.
[20:04] <Ampelbein> Oh, I see now.
[20:05] <ChogyDan> Ampelbein: oh, no, I just couldn't find them.  I'm just used to the schedule having a link
[20:05] <Dark_light> also again unrelated now that there are more (and most importantly in my opinion more useful) lenses is there a way to keep those releated to wikipedia/weather and so forth and just disable the commercial ones?
[20:06] <ChogyDan> Dark_light: I suspect you have to uninstall each package
[20:10] <Dark_light> ChogyDan: imo an option should be there, most people (that I know of) disable them for now since it's mostly commercials but now there are some neat ones that most user could take advantage of, all or nothing is a bit drastic, and removing the packages is overkill (some are also pretty generic)
[20:18] <Dark_light> it's literally not possible to disable the more suggestion scope even under filter results, it reenables it after a few seconds
[20:20] <ChogyDan> Dark_light: fwiw, I think Canonical is still working on it.  So, I don't think it is the final product
[20:21] <Dark_light> hopefully so, some scopes are very useful, but now there are so many one should have an easy way to manage them