[13:58] <dholbach> anyone here to discuss UAK v1.0?
[14:00] <dholbach> hey rrnwexec
[14:00] <rrnwexec> good morning everyone. we'll get started shortly :)
[14:01] <dholbach> anyone else? it'd be great to have you in the hangout
[14:01] <linuxtech> Good Morning!
[14:02] <dholbach> session notes here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-community-s-uak-first-release
[14:02] <dholbach> linuxtech, interested in joining the hangout?
[14:03] <linuxtech> No thanks, I'm not setup to run video without spending time...
[14:04] <rrnwexec> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-s-uak-first-release
[14:13] <rrnwexec> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu%20Advocacy%20Kit%20%28UAK%29/Installing
[14:32] <dholbach> any more input from IRC?
[14:32] <dholbach> anyone who wants to join the hangout?
[14:40] <linuxtech> dholbach: I know you have done some classroom sessions on irc on building packages, have you done it with Google Hangouts?
[14:40] <dholbach> linuxtech, some youtube videos and in other formats, although they might be a bit outdated
[14:41] <linuxtech> I attended some of the IRC sessions, and it helped me recently when I built mailman and got the newest release into saucy.
[14:42] <linuxtech> With the help of the server team and Debian developer also!
[14:44] <dholbach> awesome!
[14:46] <dholbach> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/+bug/1169472
[14:46] <udsbotu> Launchpad bug 1169472 in LoCo Team Portal "Integrate UAK into LTP" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Adnane Belmadiaf (daker)
[14:57] <ev> would someone kindly send me the link to the hangout once we have one?
[15:07] <balloons_uds> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21857/foundations-1308-click-error-reporting/
[15:12] <hggdh> the problem that spearheaded this meeting was the difficulty of casual users to report an issue (note I did not say bug)
[15:12] <SergioMeneses> I lost the connection
[15:13] <SergioMeneses> hggdh, too many clients?
[15:13] <balloons_uds> hggdh:feel free to share opinion on that
[15:14] <hggdh> my opinion on this has been clear for quite a long time -- bugs are TECHNICAL reports. Issues are user problems that may be even a bug (but most of the times are not)
[15:16] <bdmurray> the +filebug change was trying to reduce reports like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1214712
[15:16] <udsbotu> Launchpad bug 1214712 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,New]
[15:16] <penguin42> bdmurray: What is +filebug?
[15:16] <bdmurray> that's part of the url for filing a bug in Launchpad
[15:17] <penguin42> bdmurray: Ah the one that discourages manual filing?
[15:17] <hggdh> yes
[15:17] <penguin42> (On mobile what type of bandwidth is a crash going to use up - might be costly on mobile tarrifs?)
[15:22] <sergiusens> pitti: today we use ubuntu-bug or we just use the launchpad project
[15:22] <pitti> sergiusens: yes, if you know about it that's fine (for ubuntu pkgs, not for click)
[15:22] <sergiusens> pitti: oh and we do it from a host
[15:23] <sergiusens> pitti: yup, I was hoping for an ubuntu-bug equivalent, but we can always do what cjwatson or xnox mentioned about just having a link in the manifest and use a host tool
[15:23] <beuno> ev, connecting it to Launchpad or re-writing a bug tracker?  :)
[15:24]  * sergiusens is just thinking about stuff that lands in the image by default
[15:24] <pitti> sergiusens: maybe just hop into the hangout? balloons_uds ?
[15:24] <balloons_uds> yes, hop in :-)
[15:25] <ev> beuno: I'm afraid I've lost the context to your question
[15:25] <beuno> ev, the lag is a bit of a killer for IRC. The context was with allowing to report from the appstore, splitting into it reviews and technical reports. Where would the technical reports go?
[15:25] <penguin42> do you want a host-based bug-filer - plug the phone in and run something?
[15:25] <penguin42> (adb like)
[15:26] <ev> beuno: it would be a hyperlink to a place of the developer's choosing, rather than a form that gets filled out
[15:26] <beuno> ev, ah, perfect
[15:29] <beuno> pitti, we have it and it's already exposed
[15:29] <beuno> sort of
[15:29] <beuno> you specify it in MyApps directly
[15:29] <pitti> beuno: nice :) → DONE
[15:29] <beuno> not in the click package
[15:29] <beuno> but, details
[15:30] <bdmurray> how would a user get from the application to myapps?
[15:30] <beuno> bdmurray, they wouldn't, this would be shown when navigating the apps in the store
[15:30] <beuno> same as for a review
[15:35] <hggdh> er. Are we also going to deal with the casual users? How do they report an issue? Where to?
[15:35] <beuno> hggdh, a review
[15:35] <hggdh> beuno: review?
[15:35] <beuno> hggdh, yeah, ratings & reviews
[15:36] <beuno> they provide feedback through there
[15:36] <hggdh> and how do we route them there (wherever that is/will be)?
[15:36] <beuno> hggdh, from the dash
[15:37] <hggdh> beuno: so we better start advertising this... make it abundantly clear
[15:38] <pitti> beuno: so I guess the $VERSION substitution in the URL would be a WI?
[15:38] <beuno> pitti, yes
[15:43] <hggdh> (1 )an example of abuse of the bug system: http://goo.gl/5Lzk8r
[15:49] <beuno> bdmurray, for touch, it's done in the dash
[15:49] <beuno> bdmurray, from the same place where you install apps
[15:50] <beuno> bdmurray, people should, in theory, be able to open up the dash with their app selected
[15:50] <beuno> to review
[15:50] <beuno> but that needs some checking with the unity team that the URL handlers to do that have been implemented
[15:50] <beuno> also, software center is being deprecated
[15:50] <beuno> 14.04 is the last release of it
[15:51] <beuno> it's all being moved in the dash
[15:52] <hggdh> we should also try to *integrate* the user experience.
[15:53] <bdmurray> beuno: thanks
[15:56] <hggdh> balloons_uds: another task(?): review usage of ask.u.c, answers.lp.com, review process, etc
[15:57] <hggdh> thanks, folks
[15:57] <balloons_uds> hggdh:interesting, and a good point
[15:57] <hggdh> balloons_uds: one of our issues is we are spread thin, and uncontrolled
[15:57] <balloons_uds> perhaps some of these people official routes for people who have an issue
[15:57] <hggdh> yes
[15:58] <hggdh> so -- for example -- questions that start with "how to" could be routed to ask, etc, etc
[16:01] <rrnwexec> hi, can someone PM me the link for the hangout?
[16:05] <skellat> I am going to be text-only today as Time Warner Cable is giving me fits
[16:06] <jono_> hangout link: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f13129e20518fc6d9d5693d1a28a5d8f29c11ed8?authuser=0&hl=en
[16:06] <jono_> rrnwexec, ^
[16:07] <jono_> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f13129e20518fc6d9d5693d1a28a5d8f29c11ed8?authuser=0&hl=en
[16:10] <skellat> What?  I thought we finished the Approved/Unapproved issue in May!
[16:12] <airurando> Has the "LoCo/Community Best Practise to share" blueprint/session been set up for Thursday?
[16:13] <skellat> I had commented out a couple people who had publicly renounced membership pretty thoroughly
[16:15] <skellat> Xubuntu had that discussion prior and we found Google Hangouts were the least worst option available at this time.
[16:15] <skellat> Yeah, this age limit also locks out James Gifford from Ubuntu Ohio.
[16:16] <airurando> skellat: have you seen http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2013/08/25/new-local-communities-healthcheck/ ?
[16:16] <skellat> airurando: I'm looking forward to it!
[16:17] <skellat> Ubuntu Ohio definitely meets the criteria for verified even under my current conservatorship
[16:17] <skellat> airurando: I addressed it here: http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/node/164
[16:19] <airurando> skellat: Cool, I'll have a listen later!
[16:19] <skellat> airurando: Transcript is there too
[16:19] <skellat> jono: OR MY CRAPPY ISP!
[16:21] <skellat> Let's move on
[16:22] <aquarius> jono_, big thing you didn't mention: hangouts record the sessions and autopublish them to youtube, so UDS sessions can be watched after the fact too.
[16:25] <linuxtech> Yes, IRC logs are boring but I can read faster...
[16:25] <skellat> IRC Logs in Xubuntu country get interesting at meeting times
[16:26] <skellat> What proposal?  The LoCo Council said to me that the Verified Teams process entered into force as of announcement.
[16:30] <skellat> rrnwexec: My statement on the verified process can be found here: http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/node/164
[16:36] <asomething> is there a pad for this?
[16:37] <aquarius> A proposal I saw, years and years ago (this was political, not about Ubuntu) was this: if you can get 50 people to support you, you're a chief. So if 50 people want to join your loco team, it's a loco team. This means that there can be one for geography -- Ubuntu California, Ubuntu University of California, Ubuntu Walnut Creek -- but they can be communities of interest too, so Ubuntu Birdwatchers could
[16:37] <aquarius> be a loco team, or Ubuntu Game Makers, or Ubuntu English People In America, or Ubuntu Motorcyclists
[16:37] <aquarius> not sure if that's a good idea or not, mind.
[16:37] <asomething> sounds like people are coming up with work items, but no one is taking notes afaict
[16:38] <skellat> asomething: This is a rehash of discussion from May
[16:38] <linuxtech> Good luck with that in Virginia.  It seems a few people have tried to get it going without success.
[16:39] <asomething> skellat, yep and the notes weren't great for that discussion either. I've heard lots of confusion on the approved/verified thing  and the regional team thing.
[16:41] <skellat> asomething: When we did the distribution of people here in Ohio, regional groupings just weren't coherent enough.
[16:42] <Cracknel> '
[16:42] <skellat> asomething: Partly in my LoCo's case, there are economic reasons that drive this geographic dispersion.  I'll be speaking about this wearing my hat as Point of Contact/Leader at UbuCon during Ohio Linux Fest 2013 during my opening remarks.
[16:43] <asomething> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21835/community-1305-enabling-local-subteams/
[16:43] <skellat> asomething: We have had a few steady months of IT job losses in Ohio so I've had "Ubuntu Member" folk pass on to Ubuntu Colorado and Ubuntu Washington State.
[16:45] <skellat> PLEASE AVOID September 13th-15th for scheduling as that is Ohio Linux Fest.
[16:45] <linuxtech> I want to move to Colorado, where I live now is too rural for any kind of tech group.
[16:46] <skellat> PLEASE AVOID September 13th as Ubuntu Ohio will be hosting UbuCon at Ohio Linux Fest with Jorge Castro speaking as well as myself, Stephen Michael Kellat
[16:47] <skellat> http://ohiolinux.org/friday
[16:50] <skellat> rrnwexec: Look at the map Randall: http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/map/user
[16:50] <airurando> Has the "LoCo/Community Best Practise to share" blueprint/session been set up for Thursday?  If memory serves this was proposed at the Canonical Community Team Feedback Session yesterday.
[16:51] <airurando> rrnwexec: I believe the LoCo ecosphere is becoming stagnant
[16:51] <linuxtech> It isn't happening here in VA.  I would like to see some hang outs weekly and other things.
[16:52] <airurando> jono_: philipballew: Has the "LoCo/Community Best Practise to share" blueprint/UDS session been set up for Thursday?  If memory serves this was proposed at the Canonical Community Team Feedback Session yesterday.
[16:56] <asomething> i wonder if these roundtables need to be structured better. lots of free ranging discussion not many work items
[16:57] <linuxtech> It's hard to commit to a lot when time and sometimes money are issues.
[17:04] <cjwatson> asomething: I find this is a problem with roundtables in general
[17:06] <asomething> cjwatson, part of the problem is that if you don't know what will be discussed before hand, it's hard to get the right people in the room
[17:09] <airurando> jono_ i was just referring to the discussion in the very last minute of the Canonical Community Team Feedback Session between yourself and philipballew yesterday.  Thought something along the lines I inquired about above was to be arranged.
[17:59] <pmatulis> hi everybody, server guide stuff coming up next
[17:59] <pmatulis> is doug smythies in the house?  :)
[18:00] <dsmythies> Doug Smythie is here
[18:00] <pmatulis> dsmythies: hi, coming?  :)
[18:01] <dsmythies> trying to join hangout now
[18:01] <pmatulis> dsmythies: alrighty
[18:03] <OpenTangent> I can see you
[18:03] <OpenTangent> (and hear ou)
[18:03] <darlof_> can see and hear you
[18:03] <JDS81> Yep, I see and hear you perfectly.
[18:04] <jdrab_> yes..
[18:04] <xMarkusx> Yes, I can see you :)
[18:04] <FreeDumb> I can Sees you
[18:05] <arges> Is the video live yet?
[18:05] <number22> yep
[18:05] <gQuigs1> yes
[18:06] <gQuigs1> arges: you want in?
[18:06] <arges> got it now
[18:06] <arges> I'll listen : )
[18:06] <number22> QUESTION: Can we center the video/irc client
[18:07] <arges> Did audio drop? or is peter thinking?
[18:07] <FreeDumb> QUESTION:  How much more Privacy does Ubuntu give in comparison to Windows
[18:08] <ppetraki> pmatulis, It won't let me join, fun
[18:08]  * Sweetshark is tempted to ask again about the jono bacon belly dancing performance.
[18:09] <gQuigs1> I think we might have an irc channel mix up...
[18:09] <Tommuj> nice app :)
[18:10] <arges> pmatulis: How does one sign up to help with the server guide?
[18:10] <Leonardo_Oliveir> QUESTION: When will ubuntu touch be released as a non preview version?
[18:10] <ppetraki> pmatulis, +1
[18:11] <sebsebseb> hi
[18:11] <rbasak> number22, FreeDumb, Leonardo_Oliveir: I believe you're all in the wrong channel. See the channel topic.
[18:11] <rbasak> The session in this channel is for "Ubuntu Server Guide - LTS only".
[18:12] <cjwatson> I think they may be in the wrong hour
[18:12] <cjwatson> Perhaps
[18:12] <cjwatson> There's a jono Q&A in this channel next hour ...
[18:13] <ppetraki> pmatulis, yes
[18:13] <dsmythies> Peter P: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/9ec81cd4c80d2b07bf136ced9a463ba207cd63c4?authuser=0&hl=en-GB
[18:13] <arges> yes
[18:13] <Tommuj> Will Ubuntu Touch work on any android device?
[18:14] <Sweetshark> cjwatson: jono_ is reading this channel on his session right now though.
[18:14] <sebsebseb> QUESTION:  Ubuntu Edge didn't reach it's goal, but do you think something similar may get tried again in the future?
[18:14] <pmatulis> for those interested in the server guide:
[18:14] <pmatulis> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/UbuntuServerGuide
[18:14] <arges> pmatulis: thanks
[18:14] <Tommuj> QUESTION: Will Ubuntu touch be available for any android device?
[18:15] <cjwatson> jono_: Perhaps you could encourage people to move
[18:15] <cjwatson> To wherever is appropriate
[18:15] <jono_> cjwatson, I need this room as IRC is part of my Q+A session
[18:15] <jono_> this has been scheduled at this time all week
[18:15] <jono_> can you use another channel?
[18:15] <cjwatson> jono_: The schedule says your session is 19:05 UTC, which is an hour from now
[18:16] <jono_> cjwatson, oh sorry about that
[18:16] <jono_> can you do your session then?
[18:16] <jono_> I thought the session was in this slot
[18:16] <cjwatson> jono_: This isn't my session, I just happened to be on this channel
[18:16] <jono_> ahhhh I see
[18:16] <sebsebseb> 19:16 UK time ,but it's BST  :d  not UTC here at the mometn
[18:16] <cjwatson> jono_: The server people are already running their session
[18:16] <jono_> cjwatson, ok we will move channels
[18:17] <sebsebseb> no you normally run it when it's 7pm in UK if its' UTC or BST I think :d
[18:17] <Guest56985> :D
[18:17] <jono_> cjwatson, actually we can't do that
[18:17] <ppetraki> there's  a nasty feedback loop, playing the same audio twice
[18:17] <jono_> as people are already on the video page
[18:17] <ppetraki> oh, I had the other video windows open :)
[18:18] <jono_> cjwatson, ok, stopped the session
[18:18] <jono_> ok everyone, apologies for the delay, can everyone join the session again in 40mins
[18:19] <rbasak> pmatulis: instead of every now and then, how about dailies?
[18:20] <linuxtech> Not that I can tell from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/UbuntuServerGuide, but I would like to see DNSSEC, DANE and other related issues included in the DNS docs.
[18:21] <rbasak> linuxtech: please contribute!
[18:22] <linuxtech> I will if I am not restricted to only publishing it on ubuntu.
[18:22] <rbasak> https://help.ubuntu.com/legal.html
[18:22] <linuxtech> The video keeps dropping here...
[18:22] <rbasak> "Unless stated otherwise on the front page of the document, the documents are made available under the Creative Commons ShareAlike 3.0 License (CC-BY-SA)."
[18:23] <rbasak> Sounds like you can.
[18:24] <rbasak> Must the source be XML?
[18:25] <rbasak> If XML is causing a problem, how about transitioning to something that more people can use more easily?
[18:25] <rbasak> (I believe my "live" stream is lagged by about a minute, btw)
[18:25] <ppetraki> rbasak, I like that
[18:26] <rbasak> It's all consumed on the web anyway.
[18:26] <rbasak> Stick some markdown on github or something if that's what it takes. Or a wiki or something.
[18:27] <ppetraki> rbasak, the only real targets we have are web and pdf, and the later may be debatable
[18:27] <rbasak> ppetraki: I understand that changes are infrequent; but if you publish within a day when changes are made, then I think that makes the processes easier.
[18:28] <rbasak> If it's impractical, then we should make it practical!
[18:28] <rbasak> The server guide is just a bunch of text. Tiny as far as a computer is concerned.
[18:29] <rbasak> IMHO, it's a vicious circle. XML = difficult = low contribution rate = low capacity to fix it.
[18:30] <rbasak> The key is the content, not the formatting.
[18:30] <rbasak> It's the content that's lacking due to the few contributors, right?
[18:31] <ppetraki> yeah, and docbook doesn't exactly have a low barrier to entry
[18:34] <marrusl> there must be some docbook -> markdown or ReST tools out there
[18:35] <marrusl> not that they'd be _good_
[18:36] <marrusl> We changed one of our projects from docbook to ReST and it made things so much easier to work with imho.
[18:39] <marrusl> I like robie's idea a lot.  but if there's interest in markdown or ReST, this could be interesting for conversion:  http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/
[18:40] <linuxtech> I wish I could have heard the idea, thvideo keeps dropping, grr...
[18:41] <ppetraki> if format XXX becomes dominant, and pdf is really that important, we could make a a pdf target
[18:42] <mikeziri> tata?
[18:44] <ppetraki> kinda hard to google for that, link?
[18:44] <marrusl> The diffs are also much more readable in markdown/rest.
[18:44] <linuxtech> I can write to etherpad, but the video keeps dropping so i am missing quite a bit of the conversation...
[18:45] <marrusl> well, not everywhere.
[18:45] <marrusl> I hear you folks fine.
[18:48] <marrusl> which point?
[18:49] <pmatulis> ① pmatulis to test xmlmind
[18:50] <pmatulis> ② ? to pursue research into going away from XML
[18:50] <marrusl> ppetraki, when I do get results in google from the server guide I find it completely random which release will be highest
[18:51] <marrusl> right?
[18:51] <marrusl> I end up manually changing the numbers
[18:51] <marrusl> works like a champ
[18:51] <rbasak> Yes - I think that happens to me too.
[18:53] <marrusl> i just tried "ubuntu lvm".  got the wiki first and the 10.04 server guide 2nd
[18:54] <pmatulis> ③ ? research how to improve publicity for server guide contribution
[18:56] <b3rn475> Hello everyone, Greetings from Italy
[18:56] <bladernr> askubuntu is where everyone is always told (IME, the first thing I see in response to questions is "see askubuntu or the forums"
[18:56] <bladernr> I've never seen docs mentioned in response to a question or issue, IME, of course, so grain of salt and all that
[18:58] <bladernr> A good home for a server guide (from a corporate perspective) would be certification.canonical.com
[18:59] <jono_> the session is kicking off in around 4mins
[18:59] <Raed667> hola
[18:59] <bladernr> ^^ I say that as the person who writes all the how-to stuff for certification testing
[19:00] <Raed667> one question and only one ....  AYFKM ?
[19:01] <Unixstuff> QUESTION: Will Ubuntu touch work on any android device?
[19:04]  * sebsebseb doesnt see a jono_ on the video yet
[19:05] <micah2> Jono!
[19:05] <micah2> You are now seen
[19:05] <magic_hat> welcome back
[19:05] <Richie442> Hi there
[19:05] <PaulW2U> hello!
[19:05] <magic_hat> you are seen
[19:06] <medri> works
[19:06] <svennp> nope, cant see you at all
[19:06] <pulu90> works well
[19:06] <Zetman8383> I can see you
[19:06] <dexinox> i can see you
[19:06] <jdrab_> yes
[19:06] <magic_hat> i can see u, can u see us?
[19:06] <majster> works :)
[19:06] <Bob_Z> I can see you
[19:06] <sebsebseb> I see a beard
[19:06] <TuxSax> I can see you Jono
[19:06] <schwejk2> yes
[19:06] <Leonardo_O> o/ I See u
[19:06] <SamRJPK> I can see and hear you
[19:06] <OpenNingia> crystal clear :(
[19:06] <TuxSax> I can also hearing you
[19:06] <OpenNingia> :)
[19:06] <OpenNingia> bad emoticon
[19:06] <b3rn475> I can see and hear you
[19:06] <Yoshi> hello, say i see you clear !
[19:07] <dexinox> woof
[19:07] <magic_hat> sweet :D
[19:07] <TuxSax> In the mean time, tell the audience what did you have for dinner
[19:08] <Raed667> QUESTION: Ubuntu / Linux Mint .. friends or foes ??
[19:08] <medri> QUESTION: Will the future Nexus Devices be "reference" devices for Ubuntu Touch as it is now? (thinking of buying a new Nexus 7)
[19:08] <UnixStuffDotNet> QUESTION: Will Ubuntu touch work on any android device?
[19:08] <Raed667> QUESTION: is Ubuntu edge project dead ?
[19:09] <RobbyF> I see you jono
[19:09] <RobbyF> if there is no lag lol
[19:09] <Richie442> QUESTION: Have you tried Mir/Xmir on your own? Your Thoughts?
[19:09] <Bob_Z> I thought I was beeping
[19:09] <magic_hat> QUESTION: was anything gained from the Ubuntu Edge attempt? Like a desire to head in a direction previously avoided prior to the attempt?
[19:10] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: You were an hour early today, so whilst answring my question, you didn't quite finnish I think.  So here it is again: Ubuntu Edge didn't reach it's goal, but do you think something similar may get tried again in the future?
[19:10] <Raed667> QUESTION:
[19:10] <sebsebseb> I already saw that demo :d
[19:10] <UnixStufDotNet> smae
[19:10] <sebsebseb> since I was able to go back  earlier, when he was an hour early :d
[19:10] <UnixStufDotNet> *same
[19:11] <Zatara214> QUESTION: Many newer mobile platforms are criticized for their lack of apps. What's being done with Ubuntu Touch to ensure that it's not ignored? Basically I'm just curious how it stands out.
[19:11] <dexinox> QUESTION: Will the next LTS be focused more on mobile and adding features or just stabilizing new features from 13.10?
[19:11] <OpenNingia> QUESTION: click package on desktop system? Are they planned?
[19:11] <svennp> too much noise!
[19:12] <b3rn475> QUESTION: What do you think about WebKit vs Blink?
[19:12] <dholbach> OpenNingia, in the converged world, when Ubuntu Touch runs on Desktops too, but not right now
[19:12] <micah2> QUESTION: I'm working on uTouch apps and would like to get a device to test touch / small screen / convergence performance. Can I do this all with a Nexus 10? Would I be better off getting a Nexus 4? Or need both?
[19:12] <SamRJPK> QUESTION: Do you think the changes in Software Centre will help it be adopted as a de-facto standard with other distros or just for Ubuntu?
[19:12] <Raed667> QUESTION: Edge project dead or not ?  + what's your position on Linux Mint ?
[19:12] <beuno> you are live
[19:12] <wellsb> A slider to change the volume property so you can adjust levels when playing multiple items might be nice
[19:13] <sebsebseb> Raed667: yes Edge is dead
[19:13] <zyga> jono_: QUESTION: will the nexus 7 2013 model be officially supported by ubuntu touch?
[19:13] <Darius> where to grab one of those ?
[19:13] <OpenNingia> it's a nexus 4
[19:13] <Darius> nexus4 with ubuntu ?
[19:13] <Leonardo_O> QUESTION: So, how close are you working with valve games to linux? And how is the work with nVidia and AMD to bring better drivers to Ubuntu/linux?
[19:13] <OpenNingia> yep
[19:14] <Darius> is it stable ?
[19:14] <firecracker> very pleased with ubuntu at the moment... thank you for your work :)
[19:14] <Guest62262> QUESTION: what is your thought on the elementary OS project
[19:14] <OpenNingia> Darius: nope, not near alpha quality, but you better ask Jono
[19:14] <Darius> :*(
[19:15] <pulu90> QUESTION: Is there plan to support new version of nexus 4 incase it happens to be released soon?
[19:15] <rikshaw> ion (such as these weekly sessions) are really great.  But, I think I only found them from a random link somewhere.  What am I missing?  Is there a obvious way to get to this good communication stuff from ubuntu.com?
 I mean "discover" them easier for a complete outsider / beginner?
[19:16] <KarielG0> hello, can you remember me? I was on a live like 1,5 month ago, I was just on vacation... I'm sure I will make some questions for you
[19:16] <rikshaw> let me try that again...
[19:16] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: Do you ever think that you aren't technical enough, I mean in general, so for eaxmple it could be at being at an event, with certain tech talks going on about things you don't know much about.
[19:17] <rikshaw> QUESTION: your communication is great, once it is found.  I recently 'stumbled' into the launchpad documentation on creating and uploading packages to a ppa.  And your communication (such as these weekly sessions) are really great.  But, I think I only found them from a random link somewhere.  What am I missing?  Is there a obvious way to get to th
[19:17] <rikshaw> is good communication stuff from ubuntu.com?
[19:17] <number22> QUESTION: in a couple weeks a lot of major brands will do events, i know its probably secret info but should we except some surprises?
[19:18] <KarielG0> QUESTION: What's your statement about community making Ubuntu? I feel that Canonical is getting really closed about it, I don't feel that I can change anything in it like with other distros.
[19:18] <DS_McGuire> Sorry I'm late :/
[19:18] <OpenNingia> QUESTION: about Mir and GTK, did you guys manage to agree with the GTK guys about Mir support or are you going to ship GTK apps running on XMir ( or something else entirely ) ?
[19:18] <b3rn475> QUESTION: Raspberry Pi, what do you think about? Will ubuntu support ARM6 board like Raspberry Pi in the future?
[19:19] <KarielG0> QUESTION: I heard like few month ago that Ubuntu has 20mln users, how is it with it now and do remixes count? ( f.ex. xubuntu as well as such like Mint)
[19:19] <magic_pants> lost my connection so i'm now magic pants :P
[19:19] <SimonK1> QUESTION: does/will ubuntu-touch-phones support iphone headphones (media-control-keys and volume-keys)?
[19:20] <b3rn475> QUESTION: What chip vendors think about MIR?
[19:20] <rstreeter> QUESTION: Will Nautilus be replaced with a different file manager in future releases?
[19:20] <KarielG0> QUESTION: Metro Last Light is going to be released for Linux, is Canonical as a company cooperating with companies for making things on Linux?
[19:21] <SimonK1> b3rn475: nvidia and amd are confirmed. I don't think Jono will reveal any more information on this toppic (contracts between canonical and the gpu vendors...)
[19:21] <KarielG0> QUESTION: What's the Canonical's statement about Pacman?
[19:21] <UnixStuffDotNet> QUESTION: Will Ubuntu Touch be able to use it's Desktop Mode if the phone does not support using a mhl buy can be sent onto a screen by a wireless display.
[19:21] <magic_pants> QUESTION: do you think ubuntu or linux in general will, in the future, begin to define or redefine what it means to use a computer? the look and feel as well as how a computer is meant to work?
[19:21] <sebsebseb> QESTION: How come you haven't done any Q&A sessions for a few weeks or more?
[19:21] <b3rn475> SimonK1: Thank you I was not very updated about that.
[19:22] <cheerockie> QUESTION: Hi Jono. I'm Polish and I have websoftware company. In my company we use only Ubuntu. We glad to see "game revolution" but we need to a professional software like Photoshop, After Effects etc. GiMP is not enough. Soe We think we can build proffesional software for Ubuntu or been a Canonical partner (We have 10 000.pounds for that for a ye
[19:22] <cheerockie> ar Why Canonical
[19:22] <SimonK1> b3rn475, the open source drivers are supporting mir too (just to mention them^^)
[19:22] <cheerockie> QUESTION:don't build some proffesional apps?
[19:22] <TuxSax> QUESTION: As for getting involved in the community, what would you recommend to a total coding illiterate to start from?
[19:23] <cheerockie> QUESTION: Hi Jono. I'm Polish and I have websoftware company. In my company we use only Ubuntu. We glad to see "game revolution" but we need to a professional software like Photoshop, After Effects etc. GiMP is not enough. Soe We think we can build proffesional software for Ubuntu or been a Canonical partner (We have 10 000.pounds for that for a ye
[19:23] <cheerockie> ar Why Canonical don't build some professional apps? Sorry for my bad english ;)
[19:24] <OpenNingia> Jono: OpenNingia is pronounced like OpenNinja :P
[19:24] <KarielG0> QUESTION: Is Canonical going to make alternatives of other services against companies like Microsoft or Google? Like on this picture (a bit old one) data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAkGBxQSEhUUExQVFRUXGBwXGRgYGRgcGhwcFxwYGBcYHRccHCggGB0lHBUXITEiJSkrLjAuGB8zODMsNygtLisBCgoKDg0OGxAQGiwlICQsNCw0LCwsLC00LDQsLCwvLCwvLC0sLCwsLCwsLC
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[19:24] <KarielG0> 16k86zkjUF2sMFGlYbBoy0JE1LJS2EXm3UBB2IqvEcStqxQMbjj6lsZmHnGi/tEUHi77iC4tWAdg57S4fAW0MT5FqooSYdljILV2GTc7dJpGxaCWLqo+tdbsx4RbtwY8HYGmOAwkLmjKPtEZZ/Cohv3j6Gs4VxDsnhWJJztm97MZ85M/Oq66f2/4KbGINxQeyvEsp6MdWU9DrmHgw6GuXmuhOyDVM7r/AOlTJ2t8EgPkUrJjQE5vmUr0g4q0IzXEHmy14x7HcOu38VbFosuUh2dTlKqN+9Ign3R1nzr2244X3me3+KI/eYFf4qjNLaKw3A44hYO161++v9avS4jbMp8mBrV2yx
[19:25] <KarielG0> sorry for it, I didn't know that this link is so long ;c
[19:25] <Darius> Question: will ubuntu be capable of running android native applications?
[19:26] <Darius> QUESTION: will ubuntu be capable of running android native applications?
[19:26] <sebsebseb> SamRJPK: I think you'll be interested in the AppStream project, it's meant to be a cross distro alternative to the software centre,  Fedora, Debian, Mageia, OpenSuse, etc
[19:26] <SimonK1> Darius: no
[19:27] <sebsebseb> SimonK1: not sur about its current developmetn state, but that was the idea
[19:27] <KarielG0> QUESTION: Is rolling release idea dead?
[19:27] <kniwaw> Hi Jono!
[19:27] <SimonK1> Darius: or to be more differential: it'll not be supported by cannonical. Third party could write an emulator/...
[19:27] <Cracknel> Darius: no by default. I guess you could install the Java VM used by Android.
[19:27] <Darius> thx
[19:28] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: What do you think of Tizen, and Enlightment which Tizen is interested in using etc?
[19:29] <SimonK1> KarielG0: rolling release will not land in the near future. But it is still in discussion. Indeed there are already changes towards "rolling release".
[19:30] <sebsebseb> jono_: thanks for your answer to my technical question :)
[19:30] <SimonK1> KarielG0: like shorter support for "non-LTS"-versions, it was a plan to have more versions between LTSs... I don't know however the last details about this.
[19:31] <SimonK1> QUESTION: will the next Jono Bacon Q&A, announced by @Ubuntu on twitter, link to the canonical site instead of facebook (which isn't accessible without javascript)?
[19:32] <KarielG0> QUESTION: With my question about community - for example I wrote an email to the webmaster about my concerns about one part of the site and I didn't get any response, so how is it?
[19:33] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: If a opensource/freesoftware event, has mainly talks that aren't really aimed at you, but also some that would be, would you go maybe anyway?  In fact to add to this would you only go to some events maybe, if speakin there yourself?
[19:33] <bkerensa> QUESTION: Do you think 13.10 having ads in its installer for a non-free service and non-free software is in line with the Ubuntu Ethos?
[19:33] <magic_pants> QUESTION: What types of areas does Cannonical want preference? Look and feel? security? What are they the most passionate about?
[19:35] <linuxtech> updates to security and some stats should yield some reasonably accurate numbers for users...
[19:35] <sebsebseb> QUESTION:  With my LUG we are planning on having a install fest next year, with more than one distro as well, have you got any  general tips for us?
[19:36] <bkerensa> linuxtech: In reality Ubuntu by default does ping Canonicals servers from the U1 daemon so that alone would be better measurement then downloads
[19:36] <KarielG0> QUESTION: My question about pacman - pacman is like apt-get, for example Arch uses it
[19:36] <TuxSax> pacman is the Arck Linux package manager
[19:37] <Deep4k> Hey Jono,How about the sip packages in the server
[19:37] <Leonardo_O> QUESTION: The Brazilian military uses ubuntu with pride. How is the NSA leaks made by snowden affecting work at Canonical?
[19:38] <KarielG0> QUESTION: If I want to build a PC now what companies components would you reccomend?
[19:39] <magic_pants> QUESTION: is there any thought to PUSH technology towards wireless power, wireless video (for a monitor and sound), and other cordless applications? Or is that something that will only be dealt with as it comes on it's own?
[19:39] <TuxSax> I was asking about coding
[19:39] <TuxSax> what language would you recommend me to get started on
[19:40] <zyga> QUESTION: what is your guess on the name of the T release? ;-)
[19:40] <magic_pants> TuxSax, i'd say language doesn't matter.. the principles behind coding are language independent.. languages simply have strengths towards certain aspects of those concepts
[19:40] <DS_McGuire> QUESTION: How likely is Unity 8 for 14.04. Will we see Unity 7 for the next LTS again?
[19:40] <sebsebseb> zyga: he tends to find out the names early, but not to early
[19:41] <KarielG0> QUESTION: Will there be any kind of Canonical/Ubuntu melody? :D
[19:41] <Zatara214> QUESTION: One thing I love about Ubuntu is that I get updates and patches whenever they're needed. How are updates like that going to work on Ubuntu Touch?
[19:41] <SimonK1> DS_McGuire: It is still the official statement: 14.04LTS will ship with Unity-8 as default.
[19:42] <bkerensa> jono_: there are now ads in the installer as highvoltage has pointed out on G+
[19:42] <Darius> QUESTION: what are the plans of canonical about JVM ? I find sometime difficult running Java enterprise class applications like citrix or cisco's software with openjdk
[19:43] <willc0de4food> QUESTION: have there been any talks with Blizzard about bringing their games to Ubuntu?
[19:43] <sebsebseb> QUESTION:  Is that a old or new Ubuntu t-shirt and what is really on it under the logo?
[19:43] <cheerockie> QUESTION Jono can You print Your email address please? What about building professional apps by Canonical and what is future of ubuntu's webbapp. Sorry for my english I still learning ;)
[19:44] <IdleOne> cheerockie: jono@ubuntu.com
[19:44] <bkerensa> QUESTION: More info about those ads in the installer https://plus.google.com/u/0/118060934321492774758/posts/9KWT21ehG6i
[19:44] <Chlover> QUESTION Could you tell us what phone manufacturers canonical have been talking to, for Ubuntu Touch's release in 2014?
[19:44] <jcastro> yea so ... that's not an ad
[19:44] <cheerockie> @IdleOne: Thank You!
[19:45] <TomJ> What is better in your opinion, Windows or osx?
[19:45] <Al_Clavichi> [QUESTION] Default web browser in future ubuntu and the one use?
[19:45] <TomJ> QUESTION: What is better in your opinion, Windows or osx?
[19:45] <bkerensa> jcastro: he seems to think it is and it is non-free service/non-free software
[19:46] <linuxtech> Ubuntu One could be an issue for the NSA.
[19:46] <Deep4k> How strong kernel does the Ubuntu have?
[19:46] <jcastro> bkerensa: so?
[19:46] <KarielG0> QUESTION: I meant that I know about components but about companies - drivers etc.
[19:46] <bkerensa> linuxtech: since it is on AWS it absolutely is already an issue
[19:46] <Al_Clavichi> same as linux
[19:46] <jcastro> We don't remove the browser because it can connect to non-free servers
[19:47] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: Guitar today?
[19:47] <bkerensa> jcastro: this is direct promotion of a non-free software/service though on a free OS quite different from browsers accessing non-free sites
[19:47] <mehdi> Why is my fan blowing really loud when I load Ubuntu. I have an AMD graphic card.
[19:47] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Right now Ubuntu uses a lot of Google technology like in the RSS reader and Canonical uses Google for like Hangouts, are you guys planning to move away from Google products in the future?
[19:47] <Al_Clavichi> check for power management features for radeon open source driver
[19:48] <KarielG0> Mehdi is it you VGA's fan? try to install another drivers, I had the same problems with my 9600GT
[19:48] <jcastro> bkerensa: so what?
[19:48] <kellim> does exist already a new time line for the smartphone edge?
[19:48] <jcastro> telling people that they shouldn't use non-free services with ubuntu is a good way to get people to not use Ubuntu
[19:48] <pteklof> what do you think about the Oppo find 5 and ubuntu touch
[19:48] <magic_pants> QUESTION: are non-LTS distros a kind of testing ground for options that may end up in a future LTS? I guess I want to know, why have LTS and non-LTS distros? what do the non-LTS distros contribute to the growth or progress of Ubuntu?
[19:48] <Al_Clavichi> echo mid|sudo tee /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_profile this will lower your gpu temp
[19:49] <Darius> QUESTION: what are the plans of canonical about JVM ? I find sometime difficult running Java enterprise class applications like citrix or cisco's software with openjdk
[19:49] <jono_> jono@ubuntu.com
[19:50] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Why is Ubuntu so awesome?
[19:50] <mehdi> If you're still reading this guys, I have tried a lot of AMD drivers, but most of them give really sketchy results.
[19:51] <cheerockie> QUESTION: Jono what phone I have buy to run Ubuntu for phone?
[19:51] <mehdi> The open-source drivers are the most stable, and they consume a lot of power as I previously said :(.
[19:51] <Al_Clavichi> you can lower your temps with default driver
[19:52] <Al_Clavichi> search for power management https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI#With_KMS_enabled
[19:53] <kellim> I try to tell the peopke to switch to ubuntu but they are still afreaid to switch because of non windows program how can i explain them that everything exist and make them the ubuntu also interesting as other!
[19:53] <IdleOne> cheerockie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch
[19:53] <Al_Clavichi> teach them to dual install
[19:53] <Deep4k> Does the ubuntu have a documentation of the asterisk SIP
[19:53] <kellim> :)
[19:53] <KarielG0> QUESTION: What does Ubuntu logo exactly show? a ring with 3 circles?
[19:53] <pteklof> thanks!!
[19:53] <Darius> Bye and thanks
[19:53] <linuxtech> Have a good vacation!
[19:53] <Al_Clavichi> Cheer Jono
[19:53] <piew> thank you!
[19:53] <krwlng> see u jono
[19:53] <dexinox> enjoy your vacation
[19:53] <krwlng> thank you
[19:54] <Richie442> Enjoy
[19:54] <Richie442> bye
[19:54] <rikshaw> thanks a lot
[19:54] <Chlover> Bye bye, have a good vacation
[19:54] <CheeseBurg> Bye
[19:54] <RobbyF> awesome. love these sessions.
[19:54] <sebsebseb> RobbyF: yeah same here :)
[19:55] <Ev90878> i see u
[19:55] <piew> nice drum on the back, want to listen Severed Fifth
[19:55] <Ev90878> im lovin it
[19:57] <Al_Clavichi> ubuntu logo means circle of friends
[20:05] <Spee_Der> See you fine in RI
[21:39] <Bachar> What do we do with the Edge Project ?
[21:46] <Bachar> What is the next major step for Desktop Ubuntu ? features... else..
[21:49] <Bachar> You guys had 12M ( indiegogo ) to finance the production of the EDGE why not try to raise that money elsewhere ? Website dedicated or else...
[21:55] <Bachar> Any Touch SDK available ?
[21:58] <xnox> Bachar: the uds session has finished for the day in this channel. maybe try #ubuntu or #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-touch?
[22:01] <Bachar> What can we do to help the Ubuntu dev. as a day to day user ?
[22:02] <Bachar> Best IDE to dev. on Ubuntu touch project ?
[22:07] <bubba1> why is the data transfer to usb drive so slow