[00:08] Monotoko2: if you /set paste_verify_line_count to something non-zero, irssi will get you to confirm long pastes. saves my bacon more times than I'd care admit [00:15] that's handy [00:52] it really is. it'll ask you to, iirc, press ctrl+K to send it or ctrl+C to abort it. doesn't catch all whoopsies, but stops the ones that are accidental floods [01:15] 02:13 < vanishing> is saucy discussion allowed? [01:15] absolute gold. [01:45] daftykins: We've got many months of innuendo and double-meanings ahead of us === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [07:33] well that was unexpected, a squirrel waltzed into my second floor apartment and was hungrily gazing at my kitchen table when I shooed it out with clapping my hands. Had my balcony glazing windows and balcony door open and he just walked in. [07:34] the cheek [07:34] SQUIRREL! [07:35] my only sympathy for the bastards comes from sympathy on being eradicated from elsewhere in Europe by the prevalence of gray ones [07:35] at least it's not a pigeon [07:35] I had one of those fly into my house once [07:36] I suppose [07:36] had to remove pigeon poo from 6 places! [07:36] less feathers [07:36] (pigeons relieve themselves when they get scared) [07:36] Myrtti: but.. squirrels are cute! right? [07:37] they're not if they gnaw themselves into houses [07:37] Finnish houses are often made of wood. [07:37] they like the house I halfown and where my sister lives [07:37] How American :P [07:38] Morning [07:38] morning Alan [07:39] MartijnVdS: I'd probably react the same way if a creature over 10 times my height was chasing me around the house [07:39] https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_4_8gb [07:39] new low price [07:39] sophie wants a portable device for her birthday [07:39] popey: Sorry! Devices on Google Play is not available in your country yet. [07:39] she previous said she wanted an ipod touch [07:39] popey: what's the new price? [07:39] 159 for 8GB [07:39] 199 for 16GB [07:39] that's a good price [07:39] GBP [07:39] yeah [07:40] thinking this might be suitable for Sohie [07:40] +p [07:40] and then later when she wants a phone, just put a sim in it [07:40] That would probably work [07:40] she already uses a nexus 7 so is fine with android [07:41] popey: also, syncing of calendar, contacts, etc. (though I don't know how useful that might be at her age) [07:42] yeah, she uses gmail [07:42] so already has some contacts, friends from school [07:43] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/27/bubonic-plague-outbreak-feared-central-asia [07:43] thats not nice === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [07:49] popey: That price drop does suggest an impending "Nexus 5" to me [07:49] it does [07:49] but that's expected, they tend to come with the new phones at Q4 nowadays [07:50] I wonder who'll make it this time [07:55] Rumours say LG [07:55] (again) [07:56] meh === graingert is now known as Guest31024 [07:56] Woot, N7 Available for collection on my way home from work [07:56] DJones: v2? [07:56] would've much liked Samsung [07:56] Yep [07:56] but I suppose divide and conquer is better for Google [08:07] good morning everyone. === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:12] what's the new nexus4 price? [08:12] 09:39 < popey> 159 for 8GB [08:12] 09:39 < popey> 199 for 16GB [08:12] 159 [08:12] wow thats good [08:13] if my htc broke today i would get one [08:13] My youngest son is saving up for/thinking iPod Touch too. That sounds like a nice alternative. [08:13] i became an uncle this morning, my brother and his partner, :) [08:13] brobostigon: congrats :D [08:13] Congrats brobostigon [08:13] \o/ [08:13] are you gonna be the cool uncle? [08:13] thank you moodoo and TheOpenSourcerer :) [08:13] Niece or Nephew? [08:14] TheOpenSourcerer: nephew. [08:14] Ahhh. [08:14] my 15yr old nephews think of me as cool uncle because i fix their computers [08:14] congratifications [08:14] one of them calls me hacker cos i "do scripting" [08:14] thank yu MartijnVdS :) [08:15] mungbean_: you can claim you're not one because you don't write l33t 4ll d4y l1k3 r34l h4x0rs [08:15] mungbean_: we will see. i think my gf's little boy think of me like that, as he is always asking me loads of difficult questions, and asks me loads of varied engineering questions. [08:16] maybe its stewie from family guy [08:16] and he's building a time machine [08:17] mungbean_: you do know, time travel is already possible, dont you. [08:18] * AlanBell is time travelling right now [08:18] you already told me that next week [08:18] at a rate of 60 seconds per minute [08:18] AlanBell: the TARDIS has internet now? [08:25] all you need to do, is travel at speed, or be in a strong enough gravitational field, but i am sure everyone knew that already. [08:27] in theory [08:28] hai [08:28] time dilation is proven, not theory anymore. [08:28] hai???? [08:28] morning hussain_ [08:29] morning [08:29] brobosting ha [08:29] brobostigon hai [08:30] using your tab button is good for nick completion help. [08:30] mornin folks [08:30] morning dwatkins [08:30] or afternoon/evening/delete-as-applicable [08:30] Good morning peeps :) [08:30] morning peeps [08:31] I think I need to get a wiggle on reading my networking documentation, I didn't even consider traceroute as a basic tool for determining the proxy configuration yesterday, and jumped straight to snooping the network [08:31] simple solutions first, etc. [08:36] I think I might have found my next keyboard: http://codekeyboards.com/ [08:43] bigcalm: I'm saving up for a HHKB2 ;) [08:45] i always thought, that i as the eldest, would give my parents grandchildren first, but thats a very old-fashioned way of looking at it. [08:45] I don't know why anyone would pay $150 for that keyboard. sure it has some nice looking features, but you can pick up a great cherry keyboard for a fifth of that price [08:46] I have keyboards coming out of my ears, the buggers are everywhere [08:51] bigcalm: Should you not be using this keyboard http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2010/08/16/upercoder-2000-keyboard_AZwup_22974.jpg === mungbean_ is now known as munbean === munbean is now known as mungbean [08:56] brobostigon: as the eldest, I assumed my job is to be smarter than that, and just worry about being a half-decent uncle :) === mungbean is now known as Guest67835 [08:57] shauno: i thinkmy experiences with my gf's 6 year old boy, will help alot, in practice. === Guest67835 is now known as mungbean_ [08:57] freenode stroppy about my login [08:58] bigcalm: shamew its us layout [08:58] Two developers were able to successfully reverse-engineer Dropbox to intercept SSL traffic, bypass two-factor authentication and create open-source clients. [08:58] popey: layout is remappable, isn't it? [08:58] popey: yes, that's putting me off. Though one can change the layout I think [08:59] it comes with a key remover [08:59] you can't remap ansi to iso :/ that's the one that'd hold me back [08:59] shauno: ansi to iso? [09:00] the ansi keyboard has no key between left-shift and where we have Z. also has a pink-sized Enter key vs a fist-sized [09:00] shauno: I have a mix then [09:00] MartijnVdS: uk keyboards have a big enter key [09:01] popey: and a \ key next to "z", right? (at least, my Chromebook does) [09:01] http://deskthority.net/wiki/ANSI_vs_ISO [09:01] yeah [09:01] mine's actually not much bigger than, eg, tab. but it's two rows high, which is the bit you can't remap around [09:01] shauno, since when has the colour pink been a value of size? [09:01] thats what i mean, the fact that it's double height [09:01] http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/wasd-v1-custom-keyboard.html [09:02] diddledan_: I meant pinkie. I've lost the ability to type in the last few years. it has me worried too [09:02] Ah: "ANSI layout keyboards are used in the United States and the Netherlands amongst other countries. " [09:03] no wonder you're confused then :) [09:05] Oh my [09:05] what I notice though, is I'm actually quite comfortable with a US keymap. it's changing the physical layout that breaks my head [09:06] That explains why the PS/2 to USB converter I'm using is not passing the \| key [09:06] I just had to type that on a separate keyboard [09:08] whoa.. that deskthority wiki is quite comprehensive.. http://deskthority.net/wiki/Main_Page [09:10] bigcalm: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2013/08/the-code-keyboard.html [09:19] HELLO! :D [09:19] Oh my [09:20] Why do none of the PS/2 USB converters I'm looking at specify if they are ANSI or ISO standard? I miss my \| key [09:21] bigcalm: just buy an USB kb with the required layout? [09:22] MartijnVdS: considering how much I paid for this Unicomp kb from the US, no [09:23] I'm not sure if my work PC's recent dramatic speedup is due to some really top notch updates, or my switching from bash to zsh [09:23] bash completion is a bit eager? [09:24] mungbean_: was that directed at me? [09:24] yep [09:24] I don't know [09:24] maybe the search path is too wide [09:24] I'm talking about almost everything being faster [09:24] sounds a bit like the sun coming out because you had a cheese sandwich [09:24] like it took no time for windows to open when in the past they were a little slower [09:25] terminal windows? [09:25] or all [09:25] the sun *always* comes out when I have a cheese sandwich [09:25] it's a cheese sandwich, dammit [09:25] all windows [09:26] just everything is slicker [09:26] if I could be bothered with science, I would reinstate bash and try everything again [09:26] bash_completion isn't the quickest thing [09:26] I use zsh, but I like it for other reasons [09:27] Obligatory blog link: mgdm.net/weblog/zsh-antigen [09:27] great, nexus4 price cut, wasnt in my price range before, now is. and that a month after i got a new phone. ohwell. [09:28] think i may hand down my nexus 4 to daughter [09:29] does ubuntu phone run ok on it? [09:29] I used zsh for a while, but since it's not installed on 99% of the computers I use I stopped bothering with it on my laptop [09:29] ya [09:29] does/will [09:29] its one of our target platforms for development [09:29] thought so [09:30] BigRedS: I only seriously use about 3 computers these days - all the rest are deployed to automatically and I don't log in very often, so I have zsh + my vimrc most places [09:31] I've now got my .zsh and .vimrc in git [09:31] which makes life easy [09:32] I mostly only use two computers: a desktop and a laptop. I have others but they're only used a small percentage of the time [09:33] I'm back to using one computer [09:33] unless you count ipad, nexus 4, nexus 7, iphone as computers ☻ [09:36] well, I assume that you work from home? [09:36] SuperMatt: same here [09:38] Heh, my vimrc fell out of git and is now routinely scped somewhere and down from there :) [09:38] I say 'routinely'; I don't think it's changed this yer [09:38] *year [09:39] https://github.com/SuperMatt/DotFiles/blob/master/.vimrc I can't say mine's particularly amazing [09:40] I need to change that actually [09:40] Mine's at http://github.com/mgdm/vimrc :-) [09:40] hey peops ;) [09:40] I don't have a blog post about that... [09:42] I've just added expandtab to my vimrc [09:42] does find.... -delete work? [09:42] i always use exec rm {} \; [09:42] that's what I do [09:42] find -delete works fine, yes [09:43] somebody put it in a crontab but its not working [09:43] find is my upmost favourite command line tool [09:43] find 20 days ... delete [09:43] find 30 days exec rm [09:43] only 30 days is woorking [09:43] does find's -delete option work on directories or just files? How does it handle empty directories? [09:43] he -delete action also implies -depth. [09:43] I imagine using rm within -exec in find would lead to failures, since you'd delete the directory containing files then it would try and delete the files [09:44] Don’t forget that the find command line is evaluated as an expression, so putting -delete first will make find try to delete everything below the starting points you specified [09:44] i dunno, sounds scary [09:45] SuperMatt: ya [09:45] dwatkins: it depends what you want the rm to do [09:46] find . -mtime +31 -exec rm -rf {} \; will delete anything older than 31 days (probably) without complaining [09:46] find . -mtime +31 -type f -exec rm -rf {} \; will just do the files and leave your dirs intact [09:46] BigRedS: exactly what I was vaguely heading in the direction of, thanks [09:46] Aloha [09:46] wotcher [09:47] Good morning! [09:47] dwatkins: no worries! :) Find's one of those tools you one day just 'get' and it's suddenly a tool for every problem :) [09:48] yeah, I use it a little, so have used the -type a few times, I need to check the manpage every time I need to use mtime, ctime etc. though [09:53] the ubuntu women project survey seems to expect you to have heard of it [09:53] otherwise after "Are you familiar with the Ubuntu Women Project? [09:53] you have if you're taking the survey ☻ [09:53] if you say no, then bascailly it needs to end. [09:53] unless you close your eyes before clicking the survey [09:53] nope, popey +1'd a post [09:53] right [09:53] Are you a woman interested in Ubuntu? Your feedback will help us shape our future goals! [09:53] ergo you now know about it [09:53] thats all [09:54] didn't read who posted it [09:54] you may have found out about it 10 seconds ago [09:54] my eyes didn't read that bit [09:54] thought i'd read to send to my wife [09:54] who def hasn't heard of it [09:54] #ubuntu-women is probably the place for this useful feedback [09:55] maybe the survey is broken because i'm a man [09:55] :D [10:00] wow, new humble bundle [10:01] has some games i've heard of [10:01] no new bundle yet [10:01] still humble origin bundle [10:01] yeah [10:01] windows game i suppose [10:01] all windows only [10:01] except the sims 3, which is also mac === Monotoko2 is now known as Monotoko [10:04] can't find spec for sims3 [10:05] sims3 ran on a 2010 mac [10:05] mac mini, sorry [10:05] https://www.origin.com/en-gb/store/buy/sims-3/mac-pc-download/base-game/standard-edition#details [10:05] click "system requirements" [10:06] thanks [10:06] my pc is bordering on that spec [10:06] think i'll pass [10:06] hmm, I get no such link on there, I wonder if it doesn't like my Mac or Chrome [10:06] i always buy these things cos they are a bargain and never touch them [10:07] anyway, it's Origin, which I avoid like it was an evil ascended being bent on taking over the galaxy with a fake religion. [10:07] oh is that the EA DRM system? [10:07] I do that a lot with Steam games, mungbean_ - I think I need to take a month off to catch up on them. [10:07] I assumed that since I hadn't heard of them they're either not *that* evil or incompetent enough to mean the evil's not much of a danger [10:08] Origin is EA's installer, I think, but I've heard all sorts of horror stories about people being banned for other people's comments about them, and crazy stuff. [10:08] my wife just likes the sims housebuilding part of the game [10:08] origin is EA's attempt to build their own Steam [10:08] My boss had a nightmare buying just one game from EA when in Germany, so she'll never buy anything from them again, they were pretty rude to her. [10:08] of the 10 HIB games, 6 are steam and origin, 4 are origin only [10:09] yeah, I avoid any HumbleBundle stuff which requires Origin, I'm probably unfairly biased, but have just read too much about how bad EA are in various ways. [10:09] It stopped me buying Battlefield 3 before I had even considered the merits of the game itself, for example. [10:12] Oh right. All/most of the origin bundle is steam game IIRC [10:14] a couple games appear to be Origin-only [10:14] I guess it makes sense, considering it's called the Humble Origin Bundle ;) [10:15] wifey plays games on tablet rather than laptop mostly now [10:16] haven't found (m)any good tablet games though [10:16] Battleheart is great fun (Android or iOS) [10:17] my nephew quite enjoyed Wind Up Knight, too, also Android & iOS [10:17] I've mostly stopped being interested in new games now that World of Tanks is basically absorbing all of my time... [10:17] I get to be a history nerd *and* blow stuff up [10:17] mrs mungbean_ tends to prefer girly games [10:18] I'm curious about the new Rome game coming out soon, I really like RTSs, especially Homeworld. [10:18] fliss has been alternating between a cross-stitch project, and playing skyrim [10:19] trying to convince her to play Defiance MMO with me [10:25] many of my colleagues are starting to play Dominion [10:25] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_(card_game) that is [10:26] what's the per-user bashcompletion file? [10:26] Another Arduino http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoYUN [10:27] dwatkins: several of mine have been playing that for a while now [10:32] lost £3.94 in exchange rate fluctuations on the edge :( [10:33] its in some bankers pocket now [10:33] relatedly: do credit cards usually refund the credit balance or will they just keep it there until I spend it? [10:34] I don't think they normally refund unless requested [10:35] ho hum [10:35] can anyone share tips on producing awesome .inputrc files? [10:36] e.g "\e[A": history-search-backward [10:36] "\e[B": history-search-forward [10:36] "\e[C": forward-char [10:36] "\e[D": backward-char [10:38] That's pretty neat, is there a ctrl character for moving back a word, too? [10:39] iirc you can move in one direction but not the other by an entire word [10:41] # Use Ctrl or Alt Arrow keys to move along words [10:41] "\C-[OD" backward-word [10:41] "\C-[OC" forward-word [10:41] "\e\e[C": forward-word [10:41] "\e\e[D": backward-word [10:41] mungbean_ has won the internet for today [10:42] try it.. [10:42] not working for me :( [10:43] I assume I should put those into the relevant file and start a new bash shell. [10:43] yes [10:44] using alt to move between words works, nice one! [10:44] oh, it worked before *embarassed grin* [10:45] still not working for me :( [10:45] what shell, Ubuntu version are you on, mungbean_? [10:46] GNU bash, version 4.2.25(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) [10:46] 12.04 [10:46] alt L R produces ;3C;3D [10:46] I'm on the same bash version but i386 [10:47] I am using iTerm on OS X, however, perhaps it's that your terminal application isn't sending the correct strings to the shell. [10:47] (I'm also using ssh, tmux and screen, but hopefully they aren't making any such changes) [10:47] ok fixed [10:48] "\e[1;3C": forward-word [10:48] "\e[1;3D": backward-word [10:49] finally, G+ translate button [10:50] i was using pantheon terminal [10:51] now to get my head round histignore [10:53] interesting, I didn't know that existed; I have the opposite problem sometimes, that putting a space at the beginning of a line stops bash recording it in the history even when I want it to. [10:53] lines which begin with a space character are not saved in the history list. [10:53] histcontrol [10:54] yours must be either ignorespace or ignoreboth [10:56] also cheeky if you have su into another user's accoutn and don't want your commands going into their history [10:57] http://shirt.woot.com/offers/things-waiting-in-the-darkness [10:59] I have this one: http://shirt.woot.com/offers/it-came-out-of-nowhere [10:59] ah, old fave [11:00] i have this one [11:00] http://shirt.woot.com/offers/by-your-powers-combined [11:01] I recently placed an order with http://www.lastexittonowhere.com/ for a bunch of t-shirts related to Alien[s], Blade Runner and Soylent Green, I probably shouldn't be looking at any more t-shirts for a while ;) [11:01] since turning 35 i bought more geek/joke tshirts [11:02] before 35 i never bought any, except maybe music/band tshirts which i would never buy now [11:02] ah origami unicorn [11:02] haha http://shirt.woot.com/offers/thundercares [11:02] I like mashups like this. [11:05] ok, I should stop looking at this site, "whos-door" is looking very tempting. [11:05] after modifying your .inputrc, did you brak bash? [11:05] entering vi . [11:05] word=1 [11:05] words=( "${COMP_WORDS[@]}" ) [11:05] words=("${@:3:2}") [11:05] cword="$3" [11:05] cur="$3" [11:05] cur="$3" [11:06] loads of junk [11:06] just a thought, but considering how many email clients now block images by default, why the hell do people still insist on sending html email? [11:06] I think it's probably more a case of people insist on not knowing the difference [11:07] ok was just one bad session [11:07] others are ok [11:07] I thought most e-mail clients capable of sending HTML e-mail also sent a plain text version as well. [11:07] anyway, I'm off for a plain text lunch, ttfn [11:15] I've a whole load of senders whitelisted for images in gmail [11:15] for that sort of near-spam mail, having html and images does actually make the emails more useful === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:14] sigh [12:14] why does my openvpn dns never work === mungbean_ is now known as mungbean [12:16] when you're connected on openvpn is it using your vpn's dns servers? [12:16] or at least is it trying to? [12:17] reddir is broke :( [12:17] s/ir/it [12:20] aha got it [12:20] needed to set a search domain [12:20] so that's what that option is for [12:23] hehe === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:57] * mungbean remembers to put history command in his HISTIGNORE [12:58] i wonder how many people who say they know bash, really know bash [12:58] alan@deep-thought:~$ history | grep -ic history [12:58] 7 [12:59] not bad [12:59] out of 1000 lines [13:05] 2 in 500 lines [13:09] I rarely use history, I tend to just grep ~/.bash_history... [13:10] I tend to use C-r [13:16] yeah, if I want to run something out of history I'd go with that [13:17] but if I can't remember what parameters I ran something with I'll grep it 'cause I'm always fearful of an accidental pressing of enter [13:18] which reminds me, if you hit ctrl-C on a normal keyboard that's being a dvorak one you actually send a ctrl-j (I think) which will run the command [13:18] which ended my habit of using ctrl-c to abort a half-written wrong command [13:21] history command on my desktop...low. history command on a shared server ...v high [13:23] history's a bit broken as soon as you have concurrent shells [13:23] 'cause the last one to exit wins [13:24] so loads of commands that were run don't end up in history [13:24] yeah i hate that [13:25] needs fixing really [13:25] it should really have a NoSQL backend [13:25] shopt -s histappend [13:25] fixed! :) [13:25] and a restful api [13:25] then each exiting shell *appends* its history to the history file [13:25] instead of overwriting [13:26] if you also set HISTFILESIZE=10000 you should be able to keep a lot of history [13:26] MartijnVdS: I've never understood why that defaults to off [13:26] i think my file size is zero [13:26] I've not looked either [13:26] it's been part of our build stuff for not quite long enough to be everywhere [13:26] my problem is other people deploy servers [13:27] http://briancarper.net/blog/248/ [13:27] .bashrc:shopt -s histappend [13:27] was already in mine [13:27] mungbean: also, export PROMPT_COMMAND="history -a; history -n" [13:27] what's that? [13:27] it executes that command every time it's about to show a prompt [13:27] my main issue is root account [13:27] history -a == save history to file [13:27] history -n == reload history [13:28] Ooh, not come across PROMPT_COMMAND before [13:28] but I've definitely wanted that feature in the past [13:28]