[00:08] <shauno> Monotoko2: if you /set paste_verify_line_count to something non-zero, irssi will get you to confirm long pastes.  saves my bacon more times than I'd care admit
[00:15] <ali1234> that's handy
[00:52] <shauno> it really is.  it'll ask you to, iirc, press ctrl+K to send it or ctrl+C to abort it.  doesn't catch all whoopsies, but stops the ones that are accidental floods
[01:15] <daftykins> 02:13 < vanishing> is saucy discussion allowed?
[01:15] <daftykins> absolute gold.
[01:45] <penguin42> daftykins: We've got many months of innuendo and double-meanings ahead of us
[07:33] <Myrtti> well that was unexpected, a squirrel waltzed into my second floor apartment and was hungrily gazing at my kitchen table when I shooed it out with clapping my hands. Had my balcony glazing windows and balcony door open and he just walked in.
[07:34] <moodoo> the cheek
[07:34] <MartijnVdS> SQUIRREL!
[07:35] <Myrtti> my only sympathy for the bastards comes from sympathy on being eradicated from elsewhere in Europe by the prevalence of gray ones
[07:35] <MartijnVdS> at least it's not a pigeon
[07:35] <MartijnVdS> I had one of those fly into my house once
[07:36] <Myrtti> I suppose
[07:36] <MartijnVdS> had to remove pigeon poo from 6 places!
[07:36] <Myrtti> less feathers
[07:36] <MartijnVdS> (pigeons relieve themselves when they get scared)
[07:36] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: but.. squirrels are cute! right?
[07:37] <Myrtti> they're not if they gnaw themselves into houses
[07:37] <Myrtti> Finnish houses are often made of wood.
[07:37] <Myrtti> they like the house I halfown and where my sister lives
[07:37] <MartijnVdS> How American :P
[07:38] <popey> Morning
[07:38] <moodoo> morning Alan
[07:39] <shauno> MartijnVdS: I'd probably react the same way if a creature over 10 times my height was chasing me around the house
[07:39] <popey> https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_4_8gb
[07:39] <popey> new low price
[07:39] <popey> sophie wants a portable device for her birthday
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> popey: Sorry! Devices on Google Play is not available in your country yet.
[07:39] <popey> she previous said she wanted an ipod touch
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> popey: what's the new price?
[07:39] <popey> 159 for 8GB
[07:39] <popey> 199 for 16GB
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> that's a good price
[07:39] <popey> GBP
[07:39] <popey> yeah
[07:40] <popey> thinking this might be suitable for Sohie
[07:40] <popey> +p
[07:40] <popey> and then later when she wants a phone, just put a sim in it
[07:40] <MartijnVdS> That would probably work
[07:40] <popey> she already uses a nexus 7 so is fine with android
[07:41] <MartijnVdS> popey: also, syncing of calendar, contacts, etc. (though I don't know how useful that might be at her age)
[07:42] <popey> yeah, she uses gmail
[07:42] <popey> so already has some contacts, friends from school
[07:43] <popey> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/27/bubonic-plague-outbreak-feared-central-asia
[07:43] <popey> thats not nice
[07:49] <MartijnVdS> popey: That price drop does suggest an impending "Nexus 5" to me
[07:49] <Myrtti> it does
[07:49] <Myrtti> but that's expected, they tend to come with the new phones at Q4 nowadays
[07:50] <Myrtti> I wonder who'll make it this time
[07:55] <MartijnVdS> Rumours say LG
[07:55] <MartijnVdS> (again)
[07:56] <Myrtti> meh
[07:56] <DJones> Woot, N7 Available for collection on my way home from work
[07:56] <MartijnVdS> DJones: v2?
[07:56] <Myrtti> would've much liked Samsung
[07:56] <DJones> Yep
[07:56] <Myrtti> but I suppose divide and conquer is better for Google
[08:07] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:12] <mungbean_> what's the new nexus4 price?
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> 09:39 < popey> 159 for 8GB
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> 09:39 < popey> 199 for 16GB
[08:12] <brobostigon> 159
[08:12] <mungbean_> wow thats good
[08:13] <mungbean_> if my htc broke today i would get one
[08:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> My youngest son is saving up for/thinking iPod Touch too. That sounds like a nice alternative.
[08:13] <brobostigon> i became an uncle this morning, my brother and his partner, :)
[08:13] <moodoo> brobostigon: congrats :D
[08:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Congrats brobostigon
[08:13] <mungbean_> \o/
[08:13] <mungbean_> are you gonna be the cool uncle?
[08:13] <brobostigon> thank you moodoo and TheOpenSourcerer :)
[08:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Niece or Nephew?
[08:14] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: nephew.
[08:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahhh.
[08:14] <mungbean_> my 15yr old nephews think of me as cool uncle because i fix their computers
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> congratifications
[08:14] <mungbean_> one of them calls me hacker cos i "do scripting"
[08:14] <brobostigon> thank yu MartijnVdS :)
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> mungbean_: you can claim you're not one because you don't write l33t 4ll d4y l1k3 r34l h4x0rs
[08:15] <brobostigon> mungbean_: we will see. i think my gf's little boy think of me like that, as he is always asking me loads of difficult questions, and asks me loads of varied engineering questions.
[08:16] <mungbean_> maybe its stewie from family guy
[08:16] <mungbean_> and he's building a time machine
[08:17] <brobostigon> mungbean_: you do know, time travel is already possible, dont you.
[08:18]  * AlanBell is time travelling right now
[08:18] <mungbean_> you already told me that next week
[08:18] <AlanBell> at a rate of 60 seconds per minute
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: the TARDIS has internet now?
[08:25] <brobostigon> all you need to do, is travel at speed, or be in a strong enough gravitational field, but i am sure everyone knew that already.
[08:27] <popey> in theory
[08:28] <hussain_> hai
[08:28] <brobostigon> time dilation is proven, not theory anymore.
[08:28] <hussain_> hai????
[08:28] <brobostigon> morning hussain_
[08:29] <hussain_> morning
[08:29] <hussain_> brobosting ha
[08:29] <hussain_> brobostigon hai
[08:30] <brobostigon> using your tab button is good for nick completion help.
[08:30] <dwatkins> mornin folks
[08:30] <brobostigon> morning dwatkins
[08:30] <dwatkins> or afternoon/evening/delete-as-applicable
[08:30] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:30] <SuperMatt> morning peeps
[08:31] <dwatkins> I think I need to get a wiggle on reading my networking documentation, I didn't even consider traceroute as a basic tool for determining the proxy configuration yesterday, and jumped straight to snooping the network
[08:31] <dwatkins> simple solutions first, etc.
[08:36] <bigcalm> I think I might have found my next keyboard: http://codekeyboards.com/
[08:43] <dwatkins> bigcalm: I'm saving up for a HHKB2 ;)
[08:45] <brobostigon> i always thought, that i as the eldest, would give my parents grandchildren first, but thats a very old-fashioned way of looking at it.
[08:45] <SuperMatt> I don't know why anyone would pay $150 for that keyboard. sure it has some nice looking features, but you can pick up a great cherry keyboard for a fifth of that price
[08:46] <bigcalm> I have keyboards coming out of my ears, the buggers are everywhere
[08:51] <DJones> bigcalm: Should you not be using this keyboard http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2010/08/16/upercoder-2000-keyboard_AZwup_22974.jpg
[08:56] <shauno> brobostigon: as the eldest, I assumed my job is to be smarter than that, and just worry about being a half-decent uncle :)
[08:57] <brobostigon> shauno: i thinkmy experiences with my gf's 6 year old boy, will help alot, in practice.
[08:57] <mungbean_> freenode stroppy about my login
[08:58] <popey> bigcalm: shamew its us layout
[08:58] <mungbean_> Two developers were able to successfully reverse-engineer Dropbox to intercept SSL traffic, bypass two-factor authentication and create open-source clients.
[08:58] <MartijnVdS> popey: layout is remappable, isn't it?
[08:58] <bigcalm> popey: yes, that's putting me off. Though one can change the layout I think
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> it comes with a key remover
[08:59] <shauno> you can't remap ansi to iso :/  that's the one that'd hold me back
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> shauno: ansi to iso?
[09:00] <shauno> the ansi keyboard has no key between left-shift and where we have Z.  also has a pink-sized Enter key vs a fist-sized
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> shauno: I have a mix then
[09:00] <popey> MartijnVdS: uk keyboards have a big enter key
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> popey: and a \ key next to "z", right? (at least, my Chromebook does)
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> http://deskthority.net/wiki/ANSI_vs_ISO
[09:01] <popey> yeah
[09:01] <shauno> mine's actually not much bigger than, eg, tab.  but it's two rows high, which is the bit you can't remap around
[09:01] <diddledan_> shauno, since when has the colour pink been a value of size?
[09:01] <popey> thats what i mean, the fact that it's double height
[09:01] <bigcalm> http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/wasd-v1-custom-keyboard.html
[09:02] <shauno> diddledan_: I meant pinkie.  I've lost the ability to type in the last few years.  it has me worried too
[09:02] <MartijnVdS> Ah: "ANSI layout keyboards are used in the United States and the Netherlands amongst other countries. "
[09:03] <shauno> no wonder you're confused then :)
[09:05] <bigcalm> Oh my
[09:05] <shauno> what I notice though, is I'm actually quite comfortable with a US keymap.  it's changing the physical layout that breaks my head
[09:06] <bigcalm> That explains why the PS/2 to USB converter I'm using is not passing the \| key
[09:06] <bigcalm> I just had to type that on a separate keyboard
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> whoa.. that deskthority wiki is quite comprehensive.. http://deskthority.net/wiki/Main_Page
[09:10] <dwatkins> bigcalm: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2013/08/the-code-keyboard.html
[09:19] <directhex> HELLO! :D
[09:19] <bigcalm> Oh my
[09:20] <bigcalm> Why do none of the PS/2 USB converters I'm looking at specify if they are ANSI or ISO standard? I miss my \| key
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: just buy an USB kb with the required layout?
[09:22] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: considering how much I paid for this Unicomp kb from the US, no
[09:23] <SuperMatt> I'm not sure if my work PC's recent dramatic speedup is due to some really top notch updates, or my switching from bash to zsh
[09:23] <mungbean_> bash completion is a bit eager?
[09:24] <SuperMatt> mungbean_: was that directed at me?
[09:24] <mungbean_> yep
[09:24] <SuperMatt> I don't know
[09:24] <mungbean_> maybe the search path is too wide
[09:24] <SuperMatt> I'm talking about almost everything being faster
[09:24] <mungbean_> sounds a bit like the sun coming out because you had a cheese sandwich
[09:24] <SuperMatt> like it took no time for windows to open when in the past they were a little slower
[09:25] <mungbean_> terminal windows?
[09:25] <mungbean_> or all
[09:25] <SuperMatt> the sun *always* comes out when I have a cheese sandwich
[09:25] <SuperMatt> it's a cheese sandwich, dammit
[09:25] <SuperMatt> all windows
[09:26] <SuperMatt> just everything is slicker
[09:26] <SuperMatt> if I could be bothered with science, I would reinstate bash and try everything again
[09:26] <mgdm> bash_completion isn't the quickest thing
[09:26] <mgdm> I use zsh, but I like it for other reasons
[09:27] <mgdm> Obligatory blog link: mgdm.net/weblog/zsh-antigen
[09:27] <brobostigon> great, nexus4 price cut, wasnt in my price range before, now is. and that a month after i got a new phone. ohwell.
[09:28] <popey> think i may hand down my nexus 4 to daughter
[09:29] <mungbean_> does ubuntu phone run ok on it?
[09:29] <BigRedS> I used zsh for a while, but since it's not installed on 99% of the computers I use I stopped bothering with it on my laptop
[09:29] <popey> ya
[09:29] <mungbean_> does/will
[09:29] <popey> its one of our target platforms for development
[09:29] <mungbean_> thought so
[09:30] <mgdm> BigRedS: I only seriously use about 3 computers these days - all the rest are deployed to automatically and I don't log in very often, so I have zsh + my vimrc most places
[09:31] <SuperMatt> I've now got my .zsh and .vimrc in git
[09:31] <SuperMatt> which makes life easy
[09:32] <bashrc> I mostly only use two computers: a desktop and a laptop.  I have others but they're only used a small percentage of the time
[09:33] <popey> I'm back to using one computer
[09:33] <popey> unless you count ipad, nexus 4, nexus 7, iphone as computers ☻
[09:36] <SuperMatt> well, I assume that you work from home?
[09:36] <mgdm> SuperMatt: same here
[09:38] <BigRedS> Heh, my vimrc fell out of git and is now routinely scped somewhere and down from there :)
[09:38] <BigRedS> I say 'routinely'; I don't think it's changed this yer
[09:38] <BigRedS> *year
[09:39] <SuperMatt> https://github.com/SuperMatt/DotFiles/blob/master/.vimrc I can't say mine's particularly amazing
[09:40] <SuperMatt> I need to change that actually
[09:40] <mgdm> Mine's at http://github.com/mgdm/vimrc :-)
[09:40] <mehi> hey peops ;)
[09:40] <mgdm> I don't have a blog post about that...
[09:42] <SuperMatt> I've just added expandtab to my vimrc
[09:42] <mungbean_> does find.... -delete work?
[09:42] <mungbean_> i always use exec rm {} \;
[09:42] <SuperMatt> that's what I do
[09:42] <mgdm> find -delete works fine, yes
[09:43] <mungbean_> somebody put it in a crontab but its not working
[09:43] <SuperMatt> find is my upmost favourite command line tool
[09:43] <mungbean_> find 20 days ... delete
[09:43] <mungbean_> find 30 days exec rm
[09:43] <mungbean_> only 30 days is woorking
[09:43] <dwatkins> does find's -delete option work on directories or just files? How does it handle empty directories?
[09:43] <mungbean_> he -delete action also implies -depth.
[09:43] <dwatkins> I imagine using rm within -exec in find would lead to failures, since you'd delete the directory containing files then it would try and delete the files
[09:44] <mungbean_> Don’t forget that the find command line is evaluated as an expression, so  putting  -delete  first  will  make  find try to delete everything below the starting points you specified
[09:44] <mungbean_> i dunno, sounds scary
[09:45] <popey> SuperMatt: ya
[09:45] <BigRedS> dwatkins: it depends what you want the rm to do
[09:46] <BigRedS> find . -mtime +31 -exec rm -rf {} \;  will delete anything older than 31 days (probably) without complaining
[09:46] <BigRedS> find . -mtime +31 -type f -exec rm -rf {} \;  will just do the files and leave your dirs intact
[09:46] <dwatkins> BigRedS: exactly what I was vaguely heading in the direction of, thanks
[09:46] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:46] <dwatkins> wotcher
[09:47] <BigRedS> Good morning!
[09:47] <BigRedS> dwatkins: no worries! :) Find's one of those tools you one day just 'get' and it's suddenly a tool for every problem :)
[09:48] <dwatkins> yeah, I use it a little, so have used the -type a few times, I need to check the manpage every time I need to use mtime, ctime etc. though
[09:53] <mungbean_> the ubuntu women project survey seems to expect you to have heard of it
[09:53] <mungbean_> otherwise after "Are you familiar with the Ubuntu Women Project?
[09:53] <popey> you have if you're taking the survey ☻
[09:53] <mungbean_> if you say no, then bascailly it needs to end.
[09:53] <popey> unless you close your eyes before clicking the survey
[09:53] <mungbean_> nope, popey +1'd a post
[09:53] <popey> right
[09:53] <mungbean_> Are you a woman interested in Ubuntu? Your feedback will help us shape our future goals!
[09:53] <popey> ergo you now know about it
[09:53] <mungbean_> thats all
[09:54] <mungbean_> didn't read who posted it
[09:54] <popey> you may have found out about it 10 seconds ago
[09:54] <mungbean_> my eyes didn't read that bit
[09:54] <mungbean_> thought i'd read to send to my wife
[09:54] <mungbean_> who def hasn't heard of it
[09:54] <popey> #ubuntu-women is probably the place for this useful feedback
[09:55] <mungbean_> maybe the survey is broken because i'm a man
[09:55] <mungbean_> :D
[10:00] <mungbean_> wow, new humble bundle
[10:01] <mungbean_> has some games i've heard of
[10:01] <directhex> no new bundle yet
[10:01] <directhex> still humble origin bundle
[10:01] <mungbean_> yeah
[10:01] <mungbean_> windows game i suppose
[10:01] <directhex> all windows only
[10:01] <directhex> except the sims 3, which is also mac
[10:04] <mungbean_> can't find spec for sims3
[10:05] <Myrtti> sims3 ran on a 2010 mac
[10:05] <Myrtti> mac mini, sorry
[10:05] <directhex> https://www.origin.com/en-gb/store/buy/sims-3/mac-pc-download/base-game/standard-edition#details
[10:05] <directhex> click "system requirements"
[10:06] <mungbean_> thanks
[10:06] <mungbean_> my pc is bordering on that spec
[10:06] <mungbean_> think i'll pass
[10:06] <dwatkins> hmm, I get no such link on there, I wonder if it doesn't like my Mac or Chrome
[10:06] <mungbean_> i always buy these things cos they are a bargain and never touch them
[10:07] <dwatkins> anyway, it's Origin, which I avoid like it was an evil ascended being bent on taking over the galaxy with a fake religion.
[10:07] <mungbean_> oh is that the EA DRM system?
[10:07] <dwatkins> I do that a lot with Steam games, mungbean_ - I think I need to take a month off to catch up on them.
[10:07] <BigRedS> I assumed that since I hadn't heard of them they're either not *that* evil or incompetent enough to mean the evil's not much of a danger
[10:08] <dwatkins> Origin is EA's installer, I think, but I've heard all sorts of horror stories about people being banned for other people's comments about them, and crazy stuff.
[10:08] <mungbean_> my wife just likes the sims housebuilding part of the game
[10:08] <directhex> origin is EA's attempt to build their own Steam
[10:08] <dwatkins> My boss had a nightmare buying just one game from EA when in Germany, so she'll never buy anything from them again, they were pretty rude to her.
[10:08] <directhex> of the 10 HIB games, 6 are steam and origin, 4 are origin only
[10:09] <dwatkins> yeah, I avoid any HumbleBundle stuff which requires Origin, I'm probably unfairly biased, but have just read too much about how bad EA are in various ways.
[10:09] <dwatkins> It stopped me buying Battlefield 3 before I had even considered the merits of the game itself, for example.
[10:12] <BigRedS> Oh right. All/most of the origin bundle is steam game IIRC
[10:14] <dwatkins> a couple games appear to be Origin-only
[10:14] <dwatkins> I guess it makes sense, considering it's called the Humble Origin Bundle ;)
[10:15] <mungbean_> wifey plays games on tablet rather than laptop mostly now
[10:16] <mungbean_> haven't found (m)any good tablet games though
[10:16] <dwatkins> Battleheart is great fun (Android or iOS)
[10:17] <dwatkins> my nephew quite enjoyed Wind Up Knight, too, also Android & iOS
[10:17] <BigRedS> I've mostly stopped being interested in new games now that World of Tanks is basically absorbing all of my time...
[10:17] <BigRedS> I get to be a history nerd *and* blow stuff up
[10:17] <mungbean_> mrs mungbean_ tends to prefer girly games
[10:18] <dwatkins> I'm curious about the new Rome game coming out soon, I really like RTSs, especially Homeworld.
[10:18] <directhex> fliss has been alternating between a cross-stitch project, and playing skyrim
[10:19] <directhex> trying to convince her to play Defiance MMO with me
[10:25] <dwatkins> many of my colleagues are starting to play Dominion
[10:25] <dwatkins> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_(card_game) that is
[10:26] <mungbean_> what's the per-user bashcompletion file?
[10:26] <bashrc> Another Arduino http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoYUN
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: several of mine have been playing that for a while now
[10:32] <Laney> lost £3.94 in exchange rate fluctuations on the edge :(
[10:33] <mungbean_> its in some bankers pocket now
[10:33] <Laney> relatedly: do credit cards usually refund the credit balance or will they just keep it there until I spend it?
[10:34] <DJones> I don't think they normally refund unless requested
[10:35] <Laney> ho hum
[10:35] <mungbean_> can anyone share tips on producing awesome .inputrc files?
[10:36] <mungbean_> e.g "\e[A": history-search-backward
[10:36] <mungbean_> "\e[B": history-search-forward
[10:36] <mungbean_> "\e[C": forward-char
[10:36] <mungbean_> "\e[D": backward-char
[10:38] <dwatkins> That's pretty neat, is there a ctrl character for moving back a word, too?
[10:39] <dwatkins> iirc you can move in one direction but not the other by an entire word
[10:41] <mungbean_> # Use Ctrl or Alt Arrow keys to move along words
[10:41] <mungbean_> "\C-[OD" backward-word
[10:41] <mungbean_> "\C-[OC" forward-word
[10:41] <mungbean_> "\e\e[C": forward-word
[10:41] <mungbean_> "\e\e[D": backward-word
[10:41] <dwatkins> mungbean_ has won the internet for today
[10:42] <mungbean_> try it..
[10:42] <mungbean_> not working for me :(
[10:43] <dwatkins> I assume I should put those into the relevant file and start a new bash shell.
[10:43] <mungbean_> yes
[10:44] <dwatkins> using alt to move between words works, nice one!
[10:44] <dwatkins> oh, it worked before *embarassed grin*
[10:45] <mungbean_> still not working for me :(
[10:45] <dwatkins> what shell, Ubuntu version are you on, mungbean_?
[10:46] <mungbean_> GNU bash, version 4.2.25(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
[10:46] <mungbean_> 12.04
[10:46] <mungbean_> alt L R produces ;3C;3D
[10:46] <dwatkins> I'm on the same bash version but i386
[10:47] <dwatkins> I am using iTerm on OS X, however, perhaps it's that your terminal application isn't sending the correct strings to the shell.
[10:47] <dwatkins> (I'm also using ssh, tmux and screen, but hopefully they aren't making any such changes)
[10:47] <mungbean_> ok fixed
[10:48] <mungbean_> "\e[1;3C": forward-word
[10:48] <mungbean_> "\e[1;3D": backward-word
[10:49] <penguin42> finally, G+ translate button
[10:50] <mungbean_> i was using pantheon terminal
[10:51] <mungbean_> now to get my head round histignore
[10:53] <dwatkins> interesting, I didn't know that existed; I have the opposite problem sometimes, that putting a space at the beginning of a line stops bash recording it in the history even when I want it to.
[10:53] <mungbean_> lines  which begin with a space character are not saved in the history list.
[10:53] <mungbean_> histcontrol
[10:54] <mungbean_> yours must be either ignorespace or ignoreboth
[10:56] <mungbean_> also cheeky if you have su into another user's accoutn and don't want your commands going into their history
[10:57] <mungbean_> http://shirt.woot.com/offers/things-waiting-in-the-darkness
[10:59] <dwatkins> I have this one: http://shirt.woot.com/offers/it-came-out-of-nowhere
[10:59] <mungbean_> ah, old fave
[11:00] <mungbean_> i have this one
[11:00] <mungbean_> http://shirt.woot.com/offers/by-your-powers-combined
[11:01] <dwatkins> I recently placed an order with http://www.lastexittonowhere.com/ for a bunch of t-shirts related to Alien[s], Blade Runner and Soylent Green, I probably shouldn't be looking at any more t-shirts for a while ;)
[11:01] <mungbean_> since turning 35 i bought more geek/joke tshirts
[11:02] <mungbean_> before 35 i never bought any, except maybe music/band tshirts which i would never buy now
[11:02] <mungbean_> ah origami unicorn
[11:02] <dwatkins> haha http://shirt.woot.com/offers/thundercares
[11:02] <dwatkins> I like mashups like this.
[11:05] <dwatkins> ok, I should stop looking at this site, "whos-door" is looking very tempting.
[11:05] <mungbean_> after modifying your .inputrc, did you brak bash?
[11:05] <mungbean_> entering vi .<tab>
[11:05] <mungbean_> word=1
[11:05] <mungbean_> words=( "${COMP_WORDS[@]}" )
[11:05] <mungbean_> words=("${@:3:2}")
[11:05] <mungbean_> cword="$3"
[11:05] <mungbean_> cur="$3"
[11:05] <mungbean_> cur="$3"
[11:06] <mungbean_> loads of junk
[11:06] <SuperMatt> just a thought, but considering how many email clients now block images by default, why the hell do people still insist on sending html email?
[11:06] <funkyHat> I think it's probably more a case of people insist on not knowing the difference
[11:07] <mungbean_> ok was just one bad session
[11:07] <mungbean_> others are ok
[11:07] <dwatkins> I thought most e-mail clients capable of sending HTML e-mail also sent a plain text version as well.
[11:07] <dwatkins> anyway, I'm off for a plain text lunch, ttfn
[11:15] <BigRedS> I've a whole load of senders whitelisted for images in gmail
[11:15] <BigRedS> for that sort of near-spam mail, having html and images does actually make the emails more useful
[12:14] <dutchie> sigh
[12:14] <dutchie> why does my openvpn dns never work
[12:16] <penguin42> when you're connected on openvpn is it using your vpn's dns servers?
[12:16] <penguin42> or at least is it trying to?
[12:17] <mungbean> reddir is broke :(
[12:17] <mungbean> s/ir/it
[12:20] <dutchie> aha got it
[12:20] <dutchie> needed to set a search domain
[12:20] <dutchie> so that's what that option is for
[12:23] <penguin42> hehe
[12:57]  * mungbean remembers to put history command in his HISTIGNORE
[12:58] <mungbean> i wonder how many people who say they know bash, really know bash
[12:58] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ history | grep -ic history
[12:58] <popey> 7
[12:59] <popey> not bad
[12:59] <popey> out of 1000 lines
[13:05] <SuperMatt> 2 in 500 lines
[13:09] <BigRedS> I rarely use history, I tend to just grep ~/.bash_history...
[13:10] <MartijnVdS> I tend to use C-r
[13:16] <BigRedS> yeah, if I want to run something out of history I'd go with that
[13:17] <BigRedS> but if I can't remember what parameters I ran something with I'll grep it 'cause I'm always fearful of an accidental pressing of enter
[13:18] <BigRedS> which reminds me, if you hit ctrl-C on a normal keyboard that's being a dvorak one you actually send a ctrl-j (I think) which will run the command
[13:18] <BigRedS> which ended my habit of using ctrl-c to abort a half-written wrong command
[13:21] <mungbean> history command on my desktop...low. history command on a shared server ...v high
[13:23] <BigRedS> history's a bit broken as soon as you have concurrent shells
[13:23] <BigRedS> 'cause the last one to exit wins
[13:24] <BigRedS> so loads of commands that were run don't end up in history
[13:24] <mungbean> yeah i hate that
[13:25] <mungbean> needs fixing really
[13:25] <BigRedS> it should really have a NoSQL backend
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> shopt -s histappend
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> fixed! :)
[13:25] <BigRedS> and a restful api
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> then each exiting shell *appends* its history to the history file
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> instead of overwriting
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> if you also set HISTFILESIZE=10000 you should be able to keep a lot of history
[13:26] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: I've never understood why that defaults to off
[13:26] <mungbean> i think my file size is zero
[13:26] <BigRedS> I've not looked either
[13:26] <BigRedS> it's been part of our build stuff for not quite long enough to be everywhere
[13:26] <mungbean> my problem is other people deploy servers
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> http://briancarper.net/blog/248/
[13:27] <mungbean> .bashrc:shopt -s histappend
[13:27] <mungbean> was already in mine
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: also, export PROMPT_COMMAND="history -a; history -n"
[13:27] <mungbean> what's that?
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> it executes that command every time it's about to show a prompt
[13:27] <mungbean> my main issue is root account
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> history -a == save history to file
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> history -n == reload history
[13:28] <BigRedS> Ooh, not come across PROMPT_COMMAND before
[13:28] <BigRedS> but I've definitely wanted that feature in the past
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> so if you have that in all your terminals, history is completely shared between them
[13:28] <mungbean>     shopt -s cmdhist
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> see the briancarper link I posted
[13:28] <mungbean> Another optional feature of Bash history filtering that isn't always enabled by default in distributions is cmdhist. This determines whether multi-line commands are stored in the history as a single command (on) or not (off; default). This makes it much easier to go back and edit multi-line commands.
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: another weird default
[13:30] <mungbean>     If set, Bash attempts spelling correction on directory names during word completion if the directory name initially supplied does not exist.
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> yeah, that's a useful one
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> This one as well:
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> $ cat .inputrc
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> set completion-ignore-case on
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> That makes tab-completion in *all* readline-using apps (including bash) case insensitive
[13:34] <mungbean> had a ride on a model railway on monday
[13:35] <mungbean> the sort that old guys make working models of
[13:35] <mungbean> i think there were more adults than children in the queue
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> everyone needs a hobby
[13:36] <mungbean> my friend oimon took a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgKeO3oZDbc
[13:38] <popey> your "friend"
[13:38] <mungbean> :)
[13:39] <mungbean> he is also friends with mungojerry
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> so if you're ever researching something "for a friend", we'll know who it's for :P
[13:40] <mungbean> nahm they can come and ask themselves
[13:42] <mungbean> the steam trains weren't out that day though
[13:43]  * Monotoko throws Windows out of the window
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> Monotoko: defenestrate! DEFENESTRATE!
[13:48] <Monotoko> MartijnVdS: Seriously hate IIS
[13:48] <Monotoko> I have a blank, white screen
[13:48] <Monotoko> and no errors to tell me why
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> Monotoko: a blank canvas!
[13:48] <mungbean> notepad, full screen .:P
[13:49]  * Monotoko bangs head on keyboard
[13:49] <mungbean> kindle offer today looks good http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002RI90B8
[13:50] <Monotoko> I give up... the logs are complaining about friggin' Windows Desktop Search, like the least needed thing in the entire world on a server
[13:56] <mungbean> what governs the shortcut ctrl-W ?
[13:56] <mungbean> xbindkeys? or something else
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: ctrl+w? remove last word?
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: or close window?
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: in the second case: the app itself.
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> in the first case: libreadline
[13:58] <mungbean> ah, i just realised the DE was hogging it for something else
[13:58] <mungbean> removed the shortcutt from settings and now works
[13:58] <mungbean> i was referring to close window
[14:42] <mungbean> major fail last night, somehow managed to screw up setting the alarm to wake up for baby's 11.30pm feed
[14:42] <mungbean> woke at 4.30am with a shock
[14:44] <penguin42> hungry baby or one that hadn't noticed?
[14:44] <mungbean> i heard a cry in the night around 1am but she stopped and i rolled over and fell asleep again
[14:45] <diddledan_> mungbean, good parenting advice that?
[14:45] <mungbean> baby woke around 5.30 as usual
[14:45] <diddledan_> "when your baby cries, roll over and go back to sleep"
[14:45] <diddledan_> :-p
[14:46] <mungbean> just a small cry
[14:46] <mungbean> daddy you forgot me
[14:46] <mungbean> snore
[14:46] <mungbean> baby: *snore*
[14:46] <diddledan_> :-)
[14:46] <mungbean> wifey had earplugs in
[14:46] <diddledan_> I'm only trollin :-p
[14:46] <mungbean> only time i've missed a feed in nearly 6 months
[14:47] <diddledan_> wifey+earplugs=daddy's responsibility
[14:47] <diddledan_> :-D
[14:47] <directhex> very simple
[14:47] <directhex> go to pets@home
[14:47] <directhex> get one of their "giant bunny" bottles. the ones for the largest model of rabbit
[14:47] <directhex> fill bottle with moo juice
[14:47] <directhex> attach bottle to side of cot
[14:48] <mungbean> lolz
[14:48] <mungbean> moo juice only allowed after 1yr
[14:48] <mungbean> gotta be boob juice or formula before then
[14:48] <NET||abuse> hi guys. i'm trying to setup a new laptop, i want to use ~/.local/share/applications/ as a destination for my custom .desktop files, so starting with sublimetext, i create sublime.desktop there, save it,, now how do i get unity to see it?
[14:49] <NET||abuse> when i search for it in the launcher it doesn't come up, it's not on my desktop or sidebar yet
[14:49] <diddledan_> NET||abuse, that's a good question, I've not worked that one out, myself
[14:49] <NET||abuse> hmm
[14:50] <NET||abuse> askubuntu says unity isn't monitoring .localshare/applications so just logout/in
[14:50] <NET||abuse> that's lame
[14:50] <ali1234> only gnome panel monitors it
[14:52] <diddledan_> somehow crossover linux manages to add entries without requiring logout-in
[14:52] <diddledan_> I need to work out how it does it
[14:52] <NET||abuse> jeeez,, i don't want to cycle my desktop session just to get an icon to show up in launcher, that's so useless.. so there must be a trigger to refresh unity that way
[14:53] <NET||abuse> I don't know either, steam has done it, it adds game icons through that directory and somehow they show up.
[14:53] <directhex> NET||abuse, inotify is hard, let's go shopping
[14:55] <popey> NET||abuse: restart unity
[14:55] <popey> doesn't require a logout
[14:55] <popey> ALT+F2, unity. press enter
[14:56] <diddledan_> I'm sure that steam and xover-linux aren't doing that though
[14:57] <NET||abuse> popey: reloads desktop/decorators, but doesn't seem to add that app
[14:57] <popey> odd
[14:57] <popey> malformed .desktop file?
[14:57] <NET||abuse> that said, steam's apps aren't showing up in the launcher either, just as icons on the desktop
[14:57] <NET||abuse> ahah,, so steam didn't manage it eiiterh.
[14:57] <popey> i have truckloads in mine
[14:58] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~/.local/share/applications$ ls -l *.desktop | wc -l
[14:58] <popey> 52
[14:58] <NET||abuse> ah yes, i'm sure you do as you've rebooted/logged out of session since installing, what i'm wondering is how to make it better so apps just show up once they appear in the directory
[14:58] <popey> they did, I'm sure
[14:58] <mungbean> i still have a problem where i start picasa and get a second wine icon on the unity bar
[14:58] <popey> most were steam apps installed
[14:58] <NET||abuse> oh, on desktop sure.. but i want the finder to find the desktop apps
[14:58] <NET||abuse> and they're not going to all be on my desktop, just in the sidebar/launcher
[14:59] <NET||abuse> i'll try logging in / out and see what happens.
[14:59] <directhex> NET||abuse, not just you. steam shortcuts don't show for me in unity
[14:59] <NET||abuse> yup. i'll see what happens after a desktop session restart
[15:00] <NET||abuse> was gonna try out dota2 tonight, 73% .... ahh, i'll just logout anyway, it'lls restart
[15:00] <NET||abuse> I'm really liking this laptop hardware... X1 carbon
[15:01] <NET||abuse> boots in so few seconds it's crazy
[15:02] <NET||abuse> nope,, logged out altogether
[15:02] <NET||abuse> still doesn't show up in lens
[15:02] <NET||abuse> but steams dungeon defenders does :)
[15:04] <popey> oh nice!
[15:04] <NET||abuse> hmm, stil, i want my sublimetext2 to work
[15:04] <popey> they are very nice machines
[15:04] <popey> had a play with czajkowski's X1 at the pub recently
[15:04] <popey> nearly stole it
[15:04] <NET||abuse> yeh, i'm so glad of the resolution in such a small system.
[15:04] <popey> shame it doesn't have a docking connector
[15:04] <NET||abuse> 1600x900
[15:04] <popey> I want a fusion of X230 and X1
[15:04] <popey> and a moon on a stick
[15:04] <NET||abuse> they have an external dock/port replicator block you can get
[15:05] <popey> for the x1?
[15:05] <NET||abuse> yeup
[15:05] <NET||abuse> Other dev here has itw
[15:05] <popey> [citation needed]
[15:05] <mungbean> does the X1 have a removable battery?
[15:05] <czajkowski> popey: MINE MINE MINE!
[15:06]  * penguin42 has this Belkin energy monitor - works well, simple thing; however it's a 2 box thing, one with the plug on and another with the display/switches - and that has a box that's just weirdly designed, I guess it *might* sit on a flat surface, maybe
[15:06] <NET||abuse> http://www.extak.com/catalog/35196/Lenovo-ThinkPad-USB-3.0-Dock?ppc=google_shopping
[15:06] <DJones> Ooh, dinky...N7(2) is nice & cute
[15:06] <DJones> Compared to my previous tablet anyway
[15:07] <NET||abuse> czajkowski: did you get an i7 or i5?
[15:07] <NET||abuse> I ended up with the i5, wondering if that's a good thing due to battery, or bad thing cause i'm a whore for specs
[15:07] <popey> WHAT IS THIS!
[15:08] <popey> NET||abuse: lenovo don't make good i7 machines
[15:08] <NET||abuse> uhh, well,ok
[15:09] <popey> the x220 can't dissipate heat from the i7
[15:09] <popey> so overheats badly
[15:09] <popey> the i5 and i3 don't suffer the same
[15:09] <mungbean> fail
[15:09] <penguin42> popey: The w5xx are OK
[15:10] <penguin42> popey: They're big/heavy though
[15:12] <directhex> NET||abuse, the usb 3 dock does not work in linux
[15:12]  * directhex waves, mentions he buys dozens of thinkpads a year
[15:13] <mungbean> its time of year for the annual tomatina photos
[15:13] <popey> haha
[15:13] <mungbean> has anyone ever been?
[15:15] <NET||abuse> directhex: oh really.. so which one is the choice de jure
[15:15] <NET||abuse> of those 3 or something else?
[15:16] <directhex> NET||abuse, well, the x1 is great for selected use cases
[15:16] <directhex> NET||abuse, we have some in the office. cto and head of HR have them
[15:17] <NET||abuse> aha, i like that it has a display port
[15:17] <NET||abuse> most of the devs here are standardised on mac, but myself and 2 others are putting our foots down
[15:17] <NET||abuse> but unfortunately most of the devs have thunderbolt screens which sucks
[15:17] <popey> I think x230 is still my "next laptop" unless of course someone gives me a mba
[15:18] <NET||abuse> there are a pool of mere 1920x1080 res samsung lcd panels around
[15:18] <NET||abuse> mac book air? really
[15:18] <NET||abuse> is this influence from torvalds' comments?
[15:18] <directhex> the t440 excites me
[15:18] <directhex> as in really excites me
[15:18] <NET||abuse> i'm on an mba right now,, ugh
[15:18] <directhex> i may drop the x230 from the supported HW list
[15:19] <popey> NET||abuse: i like nice hardware
[15:19] <popey> i can replace the OS ☻
[15:19] <directhex> i don't authorize purchase of apple laptops with company money
[15:19] <NET||abuse> hmmm, but you can't run thunderbolt off it even with mac hardware
[15:19] <directhex> not worth the metal they're hewn from.
[15:20] <NET||abuse> linux just doesn't have the capability to drive thunderbolt hardware
[15:20] <directhex> NET||abuse, well.actually.cat
[15:20] <NET||abuse> that integrated periferals advanced display port just doesn't have any support in drivers / kernel
[15:20] <directhex> NET||abuse, apple's implementation of thunderbolt is nonstandard, and the apple implementation is not available anywhere for someone to write a driver
[15:20] <directhex> blame intel
[15:21] <NET||abuse> blame canada!
[15:21] <directhex> http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/t440s/
[15:22] <NET||abuse> x230  12.5" HD (1366x768)   game over
[15:22] <directhex> i'm on an x230, it's our current "top seller" as a company laptop
[15:22] <bigcalm> Coming soon at what sort of price?
[15:22] <popey> hence why i want a docking station
[15:22] <popey> so i can use an external display
[15:22] <NET||abuse> x1 carbon  14.0" Premium HD+ (1600x900)
[15:22] <NET||abuse> winner
[15:23] <popey> although I do like the xps13
[15:23] <popey> 1080p
[15:23] <directhex> t440s has a 1080p display, and a dock connector
[15:23] <directhex> at 14"
[15:23] <NET||abuse> 13.3in Full HD (1080p) ,hmmm, xps winner of the chicken dinner
[15:24] <popey> heh
[15:24] <bigcalm> I love how a VGA port has stuck around for so long
[15:24] <NET||abuse> i'm well happy with the x1 today, but looking at that resolution screen,, plus a dock,,, oohh, ouch
[15:24] <popey> also, Barton George is a nice guy and responds to people on G+
[15:24] <mungbean> does the xps have removable battery then?
[15:25] <popey> gosh, i googled xps13 and got the right, working page for once
[15:25] <popey> http://www.dell.com/uk/business/p/xps-13-linux/pd
[15:25] <popey> ☹ windows 8 spam
[15:26] <popey> "5Battery is built-in to the laptop and is not replaceable by the customer.
[15:26] <directhex> i love how ubuntu is the only option in the "microsoft operating system" category
[15:26] <mungbean> xps and x1 both? sucks
[15:26] <directhex> t440s has a built-in battery *and* a removable battery
[15:26] <mungbean> i'm on my third d630 battery
[15:26] <directhex> idea is you can swap batteries without being plugged in, e.g. in a plane
[15:26] <popey> xps has "Killer Wireless-N, 1202 for Video & Voice w/ BT 4.0"
[15:26] <popey> not sure I want murderous wifi
[15:26] <mungbean> tablets get swapped instead of the battery :(
[15:27] <penguin42> mungbean: Feel free to send me your tablets with dead batteries
[15:27] <directhex> "The standard configuration of T440s includes (2) 3-cell batteries, one internal and one swappable. Power Bridge allows you to swap the rear battery without powering down your system. This is much needed for long flights or travelers who are away from power sources for an extended period of time."
[15:27] <mungbean> i've replaced a touchpad battery
[15:27] <mungbean> nearly destroyed the whole thing
[15:28] <NET||abuse> hmm, xps 13 with 1080p,, i'm really supprised by that,
[15:28] <NET||abuse> this isn't the sputnick thing is it?
[15:28] <NET||abuse> and an i7 processor..
[15:28] <NET||abuse> dang, x1 being some what more expensive,, i guess it's all builld quality
[15:28] <mungbean> or dell have lower proit margins
[15:29] <NET||abuse> hmm, maybe.
[15:29] <mungbean> source good cheaper
[15:29] <NET||abuse> ops here just didn't want to buy any dell
[15:29] <popey> it is sputnik, yes NET||abuse
[15:29] <NET||abuse> yeh, i seethat now.
[15:29] <NET||abuse> i'm kind of amazed.
[15:29] <popey> the xps is pretty nice
[15:29] <popey> i know a few people with them
[15:29] <NET||abuse> if i buy a personal machine, i'd be tempted
[15:30] <mungbean> i like dell, random people i don't know seem to give them bad rep
[15:30] <popey> dunno what battery life is like on linux
[15:30] <popey> real world
[15:30] <NET||abuse> that said, i kinda want a the opportunity to play a game or two on my personal machine :) I actually quite like tf2/l4d2 and some other not better games
[15:30] <penguin42> popey: That dock thing is really neat
[15:30] <popey> yeah, shame it doesn't work on linux
[15:30] <popey> would be awesome
[15:30] <penguin42> popey: Doesn't work?
[15:31] <popey> yeah, had a few replies saying that
[15:31] <NET||abuse>  1GB AMD Radeon HD Discrete Graphics  in the t440s,, interesting
[15:31] <penguin42> all of it or just the displays?
[15:32] <penguin42> NET||abuse: Oh that's nice, they've been using Nvidias for the W5[23]0's and they're a pain
[15:32] <popey> http://www.polygon.com/2013/8/28/4667746/nintendo-2ds-coming-this-oct-for-129-99  # waaaaaat
[15:33] <penguin42> popey: I mean it just looks like a chain of USB3 hubs with gige, and I assume some USB display adapters
[15:34] <BronyOkami128> Hello guys and gals!
[15:34] <popey> Hello.
[15:34] <BronyOkami128> So... I'm guessing you all use Ubuntu?
[15:35] <BronyOkami128> Or some variation.
[15:35] <bigcalm> ...
[15:35] <BronyOkami128> Stupid question?
[15:35] <bigcalm> A little
[15:35] <BronyOkami128> I'm new here, sorry.
[15:36] <popey> Some do. Some do not.
[15:36] <mungbean> with the exception of one or two weirdos who just like our company :P
[15:36] <Laney> I. LOVE. THIS. COMPANY.
[15:36] <BronyOkami128> Canonical?
[15:36] <popey> DEVELOPERS ^C ^V
[15:37] <mungbean> DANCE MONKEY BOY DANCE
[15:37]  * Laney tries to imagine sabdfl screaming that
[15:37] <popey> Not middle click paste of course, because that's BAD.
[15:37]  * Laney fails
[15:37]  * AlanBell grumbles at the middle click paste haters
[15:37]  * Laney is one of them
[15:37] <mungbean> did i miss something?
[15:37] <Laney> down with middle click
[15:37] <popey> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/plugins/xsettings/gsd-xsettings-manager.c?id=696e04d41a485f84870a98c85b819979928b69e9
[15:37] <popey> (which I pasted with middle click)
[15:37] <AlanBell> gnome are planning to turn it off, because it is a feature Apple and Microsoft don't have
[15:38] <mungbean> LOLzor
[15:38] <Laney> I only ever do it when accidently tapping with three fingers
[15:38] <Laney> so annoying
[15:38] <bigcalm> Gah, what a horrible change to make
[15:38] <NET||abuse> hmm, i love middle click
[15:38] <Laney> haha, I knew it'd be hadess
[15:38] <Laney> he loves the controversy
[15:39] <NET||abuse> got a lenovo with the added benefit of the middle click mouse button on the trackpad
[15:39] <popey> I have a middle mouse button \o/
[15:39] <NET||abuse> gives my middle finger a second purpose
[15:39] <popey> GNOME: Rendering mouse buttons obsolete since 2013.
[15:39] <bashrc> What happens if you don't have a middle mouse button?
[15:39] <czajkowski> NET||abuse: I go the i7 :)
[15:39] <bigcalm> bashrc: press L and R at the same time
[15:39] <mungbean> so everyones talking bout gnome again due to a troll change
[15:39] <czajkowski> *got
[15:39] <NET||abuse> czajkowski: arghh, damn you!!!
[15:39] <AlanBell> http://xkcd.com/1172/
[15:40] <czajkowski> NET||abuse: it's very pretty :)
[15:40]  * czajkowski hugs Bones 
[15:40] <czajkowski> bones being the name of the X1 :)
[15:40] <bashrc> Another UAV running Ubuntu and ROS http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/914887915/spiri?ref=live
[15:40] <bigcalm> AlanBell: haha
[15:40] <mungbean> one day gnome will just be one big red button, and it won't even do anything
[15:40] <NET||abuse> hehe, i like that xkcd entry
[15:41] <popey> HOW MUCH
[15:41] <bashrc> One bug red button called "shutdown"
[15:41] <directhex> i think it's fair to say BronyOkami128 probably had a question, and we derailed them with a massive stream of tangents
[15:41] <Laney> It's not really a troll change because they actually want to use the middle button for other things
[15:41] <popey> directhex: you've changed
[15:41] <bashrc> Middle button = self destruct?
[15:42] <NET||abuse> Laney: yeh, but it's more fun to moan about how it annoys me even though i've not used gnome in 3 years
[15:42] <mungbean> Laney: unless a doughnut pops out when you click middle click then i don't want the new thing
[15:42] <directhex> popey, for the better?
[15:42] <Laney> haha
[15:42] <czajkowski> popey: no idea MongoDB bought it for me
[15:42] <mungbean> directhex: the first new user to this chan in 8 weeks and they were scared off by loonies!
[15:42] <mungbean> (i am included in that description)
[15:43] <popey> czajkowski: not you, bigcalm
[15:43] <NET||abuse> czajkowski: you working for 10gen now?
[15:43] <bigcalm> popey: what?
[15:43] <popey> s/10gen/mongodb llc/
[15:43] <popey> 16:40:23 < bashrc> Another UAV running Ubuntu and ROS http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/914887915/spiri?ref=live
[15:43] <popey> oh, sorry, missaw
[15:43] <daftykins> poor new channel guy :(
[15:43] <bigcalm> :P
[15:43] <daftykins> directhex: and yeah - what've you done with the real directhex !?
[15:44] <directhex> daftykins, he's naked & tied to the bed, naturally
[15:44] <daftykins> D:
[15:45] <NET||abuse> czajkowski: ok, mongodb inc :)
[15:45] <daftykins> saucy is the word of the day.
[15:45] <czajkowski> NET||abuse: I workfor MongoDB as their EMEA Community Manager :) http://www.mongodb.com/blog/post/whats-name
[15:45] <mungbean> saucy saucisson
[15:45] <NET||abuse> Say hi to Derek for me.
[15:45] <czajkowski> NET||abuse: http://www.lczajkowski.com/2013/06/13/a-bite-of-something-new/
[15:45] <czajkowski> NET||abuse: will do he's not in the office today :(
[15:46] <NET||abuse> :) kay, he's probably coming to php london anyway
[15:48] <mungbean> wow. so nintendo coulda made 3ds games work on the dsi XL but they release a 2ds? is that a joke?
[15:48] <mungbean> it doesn't look foldable either
[15:49] <directhex> mungbean, it's not foldable
[15:49] <directhex> mungbean, what makes you think the games would work on dsi xl though?
[15:49] <Laney> xnox: banshee is playing me britney spears
[15:49] <Laney> xnox: somehow it made me think of you
[15:50] <xnox> Laney: so you have britney?!..... that doesn't impress me much?!
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> xnox: no that's not a Britney song
[15:50] <directhex> that's shaniah twain, no?
[15:50] <Laney> haha
[15:50] <mungbean> directhex: you never know. but they made mrs mungbean sad when the new prof layoton only came out on 3ds when the dsi xl was still q new
[15:50] <xnox> Laney: http://youtu.be/mqFLXayD6e8
[15:50] <Laney> Toxic
[15:50] <xnox> MartijnVdS: that's my prerogative!
[15:50] <Laney> it's a quality song
[15:51]  * daftykins will never consider Laney in the same light again
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> Laney: because it's a cover
[15:51] <directhex> mungbean, the 3ds has a dualcore 268MHz cpu, the dsi xl has a 133mhz single core, and a 33mhz single core
[15:52] <Laney> is it?
[15:52] <directhex> also 128 mb ram versus 16 mb
[15:52] <mungbean> https://github.com/chrisallenlane/cheat sweet
[15:52] <mungbean> making cli friendly
[15:54] <directhex> basically the 3ds hardware is much better generationally than the dsi
[15:54] <directhex> although both are jokes compared to a modern bottom-of-the-range smartphone
[15:57] <mungbean> i think prof layton would have worked on the dsi
[15:57] <mungbean> its a simple game
[15:57] <mungbean> they just wanted to make anything older than 3ds obsolete , and lose customers
[15:58] <daftykins> no way, we're talking about this 'revolutionary' new 2D handheld from Nintendo in another channel
[15:58] <daftykins> :D
[15:58] <daftykins> Nintendo 2DS, ahh good old Nintendo
[15:58] <mungbean> the 3d hurts the eyes of older people
[15:58] <directhex> mungbean, well, do you mean the DSi, or the DS? the DSi has a higher clock speed
[15:58] <mungbean> dsi. ds is pretty long in teh tooth now
[15:58] <daftykins> i bought a DSi for GTA Chinatown Wars, it's on my shelf
[15:59] <mungbean> whats that game?
[15:59] <daftykins> grand theft auto
[15:59] <daftykins> it's top-down kinda like the original GTA1
[15:59] <mungbean> any good?
[15:59] <directhex> mungbean, there are more 3DSes sold than DSi's
[15:59] <daftykins> yeah it has some great uses of the touchscreen and stylus :)
[16:00] <daftykins> a mini in-game system of um... certain substance trading
[16:00] <mungbean> i never knew more adult games existed
[16:01] <daftykins> also, i had a couple of the Prof. Layton games
[16:01] <daftykins> well, still do
[16:01] <mungbean> gta chinatown is £10 on amazon
[16:02] <mungbean> any other games i should know about?
[16:02] <mungbean> for the dsi
[16:03] <daftykins> i never bought anything more
[16:03] <mungbean> mario 64
[16:03] <mungbean> is really good
[16:05] <mungbean> directhex: total sales?
[16:05] <directhex> mungbean, lifetime sales to date, yes. they didn't sell many DSi's
[16:05] <directhex> DS and DS Lite sold well
[16:06] <mungbean> are they all compatible? ds /dsi/ds lite
[16:06] <daftykins> pretty sure all the DSi lost was a second cart slot - which was maybe a GBA one?
[16:06] <directhex> DS and DS Lite can play DS and GBA games
[16:07] <directhex> DSi and DSi XL can play DS and DSi games
[16:07] <directhex> although DSi-only games are download-only
[16:22] <SuperMatt> is there an app I can run like "theapp python script.py" and get the amount of memory it has consumed (or something?)
[18:24] <ali1234> SuperMatt: yes, valgrind
[18:25] <ali1234> although python probably has something much more efficient built in
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> is there a "bash -x" like switch for python?
[18:27] <ali1234> what does bash -x do?
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> same as "set -x"
[18:29] <MartijnVdS>               -x      After expanding each simple command, for  command,  case
[18:29] <MartijnVdS>                       command, select command, or arithmetic for command, dis‐
[18:29] <MartijnVdS>                       play the expanded value of PS4, followed by the  command
[18:29] <MartijnVdS>                       and its expanded arguments or associated word list.
[18:29] <ali1234> what does that mean?
[18:29] <ali1234> print each line of code before executing it?
[18:30] <ali1234> maybe this: http://docs.python.org/2/library/trace.html
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: yeah, that's what it means
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> fun: $ ls -lh /proc/kcore
[20:04] <mungbean> humble "comedy" bundle
[20:04] <mungbean> i assume they are all american.
[20:08] <diddledan> yeah, I'm not buying that one
[20:36] <breezer_> the uupc page doesnt say the irc channel for the live one after the first half-hour..
[20:36]  * penguin42 wonders if there are any stats things hsowing which irc channels are moderately active these days
[20:37] <ali1234> penguin42: irc.netsplit.de
[20:37] <mungbean> i just invoked the HUD...forgot it existed
[20:37] <mungbean> was by mistake
[20:38] <AlanBell> heh
[20:39] <penguin42> ali1234: Hmm, I see stats on number of users for the channels but not actual lines typed
[20:39] <AlanBell> my hud still works too, never use it though
[20:39] <AlanBell> I do like the idea of menus being a single api and multiple ways of accessing menus, I just don't much like the global menu or the hud
[20:40] <AlanBell> a circle menu on mouse click would be nice
[20:40] <ali1234> i usually just go to a channel and start talking to myself
[20:40] <mungbean> lol
[20:40] <ali1234> someone eventually joins in
[20:40] <mungbean> i've done that and idled for a week before
[20:40] <penguin42> haha
[20:40] <mungbean> only ever saw detached voices
[20:41] <mungbean> nobody ever responded to anyone else
[20:43] <penguin42> interestingly the graphs for freenode on netsplit seem to show approx constant user numbers
[20:44] <ali1234> why is that interesting?
[20:44] <penguin42> for the last couple of years
[20:44] <SuperEngineer> sorry, what was that... I wasn't listening  ;)
[20:44] <mungbean> irc seems to fulfil the 20-80 rule
[20:45] <mungbean> 20% of people produce 80% of traffic, the other 80% are mostly idle
[20:45] <ali1234> i've often wondered who all the people are who idle
[20:45] <mungbean> yeah
[20:45] <mungbean> like chof...
[20:45] <mungbean> not gonna wake him/her with a hilight
[20:45] <ali1234> i think a lot of them have too many irc windows open
[20:46] <mungbean> there's an old notion of "catch me idling on irc"
[20:46] <mungbean> the devs like to do instead of email
[20:47] <ali1234> freenode should implement zenmoo style anti-idling measures
[20:47] <mungbean> why?
[20:47] <ali1234> because it would be amusing
[20:48] <mungbean> this is realtively high traffic channel and lots of offtopic convo
[20:48] <ali1234> it would be off-channel
[20:48] <mungbean> but for the 15 users of debian-itanium its useful to idle in there
[20:49]  * penguin42 tries to remember, has he ever booted debian on itanium - hmm don't think Debian
[21:01] <ali1234> rhythmbox has a dependency on zeitgeist now?
[21:01] <ali1234> not just libzeitgeist either, it needs the whole thing
[21:29] <funkyHat> ali1234: according to http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/rhythmbox it has a recommends on rhythmbox-plugin-zeitgeist
[21:30] <ali1234> hmm recommends is different to suggests right?
[21:31] <funkyHat> ali1234: yes, with default settings recommends get pulled in when you install, but you can override them
[21:32] <ali1234> i'll just remove them again after install then i guess, since i don't know how to override :)
[21:32] <ali1234> already uninstalled it once today after i installed gedit
[21:33] <funkyHat> ali1234: --no-install-recommends
[21:35] <funkyHat> ali1234: or if you use aptitude interactively you can select rhythmbox then deselect the plugin (it might complain but you will be able to tell it to ignore that specific recommends)
[21:35] <ali1234> i never use aptitude since it offered me 300 different solutions when i only wanted to install one package
[21:36] <ali1234> it's done now
[21:36] <funkyHat> ali1234: the first solution is nearly always the one you want ⢁)