[10:32] <smartboyhw> zequence-work: Should we update the Plymouth theme if madeinkobaia will be doing a new wallpaper?
[10:35] <zequence-work> smartboyhw: We'll probably be updating all of our art
[10:35] <zequence-work> The CoF, and therefore anything that has it
[10:35] <smartboyhw> zequence-work: whoa, sure
[10:35] <smartboyhw> What? We are updaating the CoF?
[10:35] <zequence-work> For 14.04 that is
[10:36] <zequence-work> For now, we just roll with what we have - madeinkobaia might have time for a WP for this release, but if he hasn't, there's no sweat
[10:36] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, OK....
[11:10] <cub> I chatted with madeinkobaia, maybe a couple of weeks ago, and it sounded that he was hoping to finish a new WP för 13.10 that could be used for the G+, web and in my case the Youtube tutorials.
[11:14] <DarkEra> he's kinda busy he told me in a mail
[11:17] <cub> yup
[11:19] <cub> OvenWerk1, is the new installer up on the daily build for Saucy? I downloaded yesterday and installed and thought it would be much different, but it was mostly straightforward. With the exception of two screen of Ubuntu One (even though I had marked that I didn't have an internet connection :P )
[11:23] <cub> And in Grub it was called "Ubuntu" only.
[11:24] <cub> While my previous, main OS was changed (unrelated to saucy installation though) to "Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS (12.04)" That was a nice touch.
[11:25] <cub> ttoine, your gparted strategy worked out perfectly. :)
[11:32] <ttoine> cub, hehe
[11:32] <ttoine> I am a gparted master ;-)
[11:33] <cub> It took the whole day with a very buzzing cpu fan, but finally I got where it should be
[11:33] <ttoine> yes, it tool times. sometimes, it is frightening
[11:33] <cub> gparted, Tetris for the adventurous
[11:33] <ttoine> it is always good to back up data, before
[11:35] <cub> oh yeah. I have three. and Dropbox. And Bitcasa.
[11:35] <cub> And I'm still nervous each time. :D
[11:35] <cub> one concern I have now is that the power supply to one of my backup drives have failed. :/
[11:36] <cub> 500 GB of precious data unavailble.
[11:43] <ttoine> f..k
[11:43] <ttoine> buy a new box
[11:44] <cub> I hope to be able to buy a new power supply. If not, try to hook it up in another computer. I only have laptops myself.
[12:19] <OvenWerk1> cub: There are four new packages uploaded, but they are still in proposed and have yet to make it to the wild. They are waiting for -installer to make it out of NEW.
[12:20] <cub> I guessed that was the case.
[12:20] <cub> Will that clean up my grub? ;)
[12:20] <OvenWerk1> I will anounce when they are out. IN the mean time our ISO didn't build yesterdaqy
[12:20] <cub> mm I saw. Any idea why?
[12:20] <OvenWerk1> Yes the new settings has two grub fixes
[12:21] <OvenWerk1> I can never remember where the build logs are kept.
[12:28] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, we ARE participating in Saucy Beta 1 right?
[12:28] <smartboyhw> (Don't tell me we aren't...)
[12:28] <cub> So, what happens after FF tomorrow? Is it business as usual or do we have a certain plan for testing and bug fixing until 13.10 launch?
[12:29] <knome> smartboyhw, i thought you were the release manager deciding on that.
[12:31] <smartboyhw> knome, final discretion at zequence-work 
[12:31] <knome> smartboyhw, i didn't sense any discretion from your side... :P
[12:32] <smartboyhw> knome, well I want to participate
[12:32] <smartboyhw> Just confirming
[12:32] <smartboyhw> We did talk about that before and it's a yes, but just want to confirm;)
[12:33] <smartboyhw> cub, we will test Beta 1, fix all bugs before Beta 2. Beta 2 should be as close as RC status (even it technically isn't
[12:33] <smartboyhw> That's the schedule, at least
[12:33] <OvenWerk1> smartboyhw: +1
[12:34] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, up so early huh?
[12:38] <cub> smartboyhw, yeah, I was thinking of in more detail. Like a project plan with tasks, but I'm a bit damage from my daily work. ;)
[12:38] <smartboyhw> cub, well, zequence (and probably OvenWerk1) will start the planning process for 14.04 LTS when they see fit:)
[12:40] <cub> smartboyhw, 14.04 is another thing. I was wondering about from tomorrow until the launch of 13.10. So we don't run all tests in panic the night before release.
[12:41] <smartboyhw> cub, uh hum, test the daily now please
[12:41] <smartboyhw> (I do get reports that ubiquity is failing in other distros_)
[12:41] <cub> Just did. ;) Installed this morning.
[12:41] <smartboyhw> cub, how's it?
[12:41] <cub> working fine. Though, I downloaded yesterday. hmm. 
[12:42] <cub> but yeah, the build failed tonight.
[12:42] <smartboyhw> cub, yeah:(
[12:43] <OvenWerk1> However our beta 1 needs All our packages out into the wild.
[12:44] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, I will send the email with reminders to get packages out of NEW after zequence-work confirms Beta 1 participation
[12:44] <cub> OvenWerk1, are the packages waiting for review?
[12:45] <smartboyhw> cub, yes
[12:45] <OvenWerk1> They are in the que, but so are a lot of packages :)
[12:45] <smartboyhw> The review must be done by an archive admin
[12:45] <OvenWerk1> I was told maybe a week.
[12:45] <smartboyhw> Which, nobody in the Xubuntu or Ubuntu Studio-related teams is:P
[12:46] <cub> aha
[12:46] <OvenWerk1> smartboyhw: when is beta 1?
[12:46] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, next Thurs
[12:46] <cub> Did anyone tune in on the vUDS yesterday? (I know smartboyhw didn't ;) 
[12:47] <OvenWerk1> nope
[12:47] <smartboyhw> cub, yep, you know I didn't.
[12:47] <cub> hehe
[12:47] <smartboyhw> My blog post infuriated a lot of comments, lOL
[12:50] <cub> I listened to the keynote with Jono and Mark quite good but nothing revolutionary
[12:54] <zequence-work> smartboyhw: Yes. We're participating :)
[13:10] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, :)
[13:18] <smartboyhw> cub, OvenWerk1, zequence-work seemingly an archive admin (Riddell) wants to review the Ubuntu studio packages:)
[13:19] <cub> Is that good or bad?
[13:19] <smartboyhw> cub, of course it's good
[13:19] <smartboyhw> That means it probably will go in faster:)
[13:20] <cub> sweet
[13:24] <OvenWerk1> Installer is into proposed :)
[13:25] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, although actually, Riddell doesn't understand why on Earth we need that package:P
[13:25] <OvenWerk1> Most people don't... tunnel vision.
[13:26] <OvenWerk1> The idea of supporting more than one flavour without dragging in tones of libs is not in most people think
[13:26] <OvenWerk1> USC does the same job after all.
[13:27] <OvenWerk1> Can you imagine a user who has installed lubuntu not being upset at USC showing up?
[13:28] <OvenWerk1> (or KDE for that matter)
[13:28] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, Lubuntu has their own Software Center
[13:29] <cub> was a discussion similar to that topic just yesterday in the #ubuntustudio
[13:29] <OvenWerk1> LSC does not take CL arguments, I looked at it.
[13:30] <cub> well not on the installer but on "I don't want to run ubuntu studio because the USC showed things that costs money". :) holstein did a great job explaining everything
[13:30] <smartboyhw> cub, ;)
[13:31] <OvenWerk1> Also, to use a different installer for each DE means checking what is there and running it, much more work than just writng new software.
[13:31] <cub> My favorite quote: "holstein: not usuing ubuntu because there is commercial software in the software center is a bit like not shopping at a grocery store becuase they sell cigarettes"
[13:31] <zequence-work> I'd like everyones opinion now. Is this ok? http://ubuntustudio.org/merchandise/
[13:32] <zequence-work> OvenWerk1: smartboyhw: ttoine: cub: astraljava: holstein: (and anyone else interested)
[13:33] <OvenWerk1> zequence-work: Looks good to me. I like the bottom mug
[13:33]  * OvenWerk1 wants stickers :)
[13:33] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, ack
[13:33] <smartboyhw> zequence-work ^
[13:34] <smartboyhw> We need to announce it though
[13:34] <zequence-work> OvenWerk1: Right. What was that place again? Unix stickers something
[13:34] <cub> Nice zequence-work 
[13:34] <zequence-work> smartboyhw: Yes, once it is decided it's ready for release. That's why I'm asking for opinions BEFORE I announce it
[13:35] <cub> http://www.unixstickers.com/
[13:35] <OvenWerk1> I think "Conditions for this license is" is should are or the s should come off Conditions.
[13:35] <zequence-work> ttoine: If you have some time in the future, perhaps you could take a look at that? Other flavors are using that, and we should too, I think.
[13:36] <OvenWerk1> zequence-work: ^^
[13:36] <zequence-work> OvenWerk1: Right. There are more conditions, I guess. But that one is the only one relevant to our users - I was going to write down more otherwise
[13:36] <zequence-work> Good catch
[13:37] <zequence-work> Changing it to "A condition.."
[13:37] <cub> The dark grey shirt with all white print looks really nice too. No issue with the quality there.
[13:38]  * cub is actually wearing an Ubuntu Studio t-shirt right now..:*)
[13:38] <zequence-work> People are free to try more examples, but those are specifically designed by us
[13:38] <zequence-work> It's kind of cool to have the freedom to mix different colors
[13:38] <cub> Stallman would be happy. ;)
[13:39] <smartboyhw> cub, LOL
[13:46] <ttoine> zequence-work, nice work on wordpress
[13:47] <ttoine> zequence, for the stickers, I am already looking at way to do it
[13:48] <ttoine> OvenWerk1, thanks for the link
[13:53] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, knome it would be good if we can update the copyright line at the pageend
[13:53] <smartboyhw> It's still 2012
[13:54] <OvenWerk1> smartboyhw: I missed tha somehow :P
[13:55] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, LOL
[13:55] <OvenWerk1> I did actually read that line too.
[13:56] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, OK
[13:56] <smartboyhw> I actually read the line you talked abuot too
[13:56] <zequence-work> The website was created in 2012, so I think that's fine
[13:57] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, but the contents aren't
[13:57] <smartboyhw> (Not all at least)
[13:57] <knome> it's trivial to change, but you'll need to get IS upload a new version of the theme (iirc the year is hardcoded to the theme)
[13:57] <smartboyhw> knome, OK, that's unexpected
[13:58] <smartboyhw> Well, IS would probably ignore the request till 2014.....
[13:59] <knome> is it part of the asian culture to have such a negative view on things? i thought it was the western state of mind.
[14:00] <smartboyhw> knome, OK, I'm pessimistic:P
[14:01] <zequence-work> I'm getting thrown out from here. I'll make the announcements tonight, when I get home. 
[14:01] <knome> i agree that IS have not always delivered stuff on time (yes, we waited for a subdomain redirection for 2+ years), but that doesn't warrant mocking them up. they have been getting better and if you work with them and give them any information they need, they are ok
[14:01] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, thrown off?
[14:01] <smartboyhw> *thrown out
[14:02] <OvenWerk1> made sense to me.
[14:02] <smartboyhw> knome, so, can you do the change?
[14:03] <smartboyhw> I can do the ticket filing
[14:03] <knome> smartboyhw, okay.
[14:03] <cub> IS?
[14:03] <smartboyhw> cub, Canonical Internet Services
[14:04] <smartboyhw> They manage all of Ubuntu and their flavours' webserver
[14:04] <cub> ok
[14:04] <smartboyhw> So, such changes need to go through them to implement
[14:04] <smartboyhw> cub, you are learning one new thing per day:{
[14:04] <smartboyhw> :{P
[14:04] <cub> at least!
[14:04] <smartboyhw> OUCH
[14:04] <smartboyhw> :P
[14:04] <cub> it's my life mission. Learn something new each day.
[14:04] <smartboyhw> cub, want to learn packaging?:P
[14:05] <smartboyhw> I can give you a pretty haunting experience;P
[14:05] <cub> yes, but that have to wait until tomorrow. I've filled my learning quota for today. ;)
[14:05] <smartboyhw> cub, well, that at least takes 2-3 days
[14:06] <cub> knome, so even though it's based on wordpress zequence can't change the theme himself?
[14:06] <smartboyhw> cub, he can
[14:06] <knome> cub, the year is hardcoded in the theme.
[14:06] <smartboyhw> But, the implementation is done through IS
[14:06] <knome> cub, we can make it dynamic, but i don't see any reason to do so
[14:07] <smartboyhw> knome, less maintenance/
[14:07] <knome> smartboyhw, it's a one-off change to add the dash.
[14:07] <cub> I don't follow. Let's say we design a new theme. It needs to be sent to IS to arrive on the site?
[14:07] <smartboyhw> cub, yes.
[14:07] <smartboyhw> WE MUST
[14:08] <knome> smartboyhw, and you could argue it's more maintenance because you have to make sure the code pulling it dynamically from the database needs to be maintained
[14:08] <smartboyhw> knome, oh, OK then
[14:08] <smartboyhw> But anyways knome plz do the change and I can bug IS:P
[14:08] <knome> i'm on it
[14:09] <cub> but...it's wordpress. Wouldn't it be dead simple to allow each webmaster to set whatever theme they like?
[14:09] <knome> smartboyhw, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-website/ubuntustudio-resources/website-wordpress/revision/10
[14:09] <smartboyhw> knome, thanks
[14:09] <knome> cub, yes, but the themes need to be installed on the server.
[14:09] <smartboyhw> Which IS controls
[14:09] <knome> cub, and if you want to change them, the theme files need to be changed.
[14:09] <cub> which you can do in the admin interface in a standard WP installation.
[14:09] <knome> cub, only IS has file access to those production servers
[14:10] <cub> Ok
[14:10] <knome> cub, yes, if the user running the webserver has the access to file system, which is disabled on canonical servers
[14:10] <knome> cub, so no, there is no workaround, all code/themes need to go through IS so they can do their security review and what not.
[14:13] <OvenWerk1> smartboyhw: I am just going through the blu prints and notice meantion of the xfce logo in the installer.
[14:14] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, em?
[14:14] <OvenWerk1> Is that still a problem? I thought it was fixed in R
[14:14] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, no (Not in S)
[14:14] <smartboyhw> WEIRD
[14:15] <OvenWerk1> I am just wondering if the blueprint item was carried over but should have been "DONE"ed
[14:15]  * smartboyhw goes over why the build failed today
[14:15] <OvenWerk1> smartboyhw: thankyou
[14:16] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, jeez, it's catfish
[14:17] <OvenWerk1> OK new catfish coming.
[14:17] <OvenWerk1> xubuntu will have the same issue.
[14:18] <cub> aha. I removed catfish on my other saucy yesterday because of all trouble. :D
[14:18]  * smartboyhw restarts a build to check
[14:27]  * OvenWerk1 needs another monitor...
[14:28]  * knome monitors OvenWerk1 
[14:28] <OvenWerk1> :)
[14:29] <OvenWerk1> knome I am sharing one monitor with two computers right now
[14:29] <knome> that sounds like you need (at least) 3 new monitors
[14:30] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, good, help test Mir's new multi-monitor feature, we need you;)
[14:30] <OvenWerk1> The penny jar doesn't even cover one...
[14:30]  * knome pops in a penny
[14:30]  * OvenWerk1 will probably get a ubuntustudio mug first
[14:31]  * knome pops in another penny for that
[14:32] <smartboyhw> knome, give me $10million USD now:P
[14:32] <smartboyhw> (Since you seem to be so generous)
[14:32]  * knome slaps smartboyhw 
[14:32] <OvenWerk1> Harder :)
[14:32]  * smartboyhw lands right on knome 
[14:33] <OvenWerk1> excess money seems to be a ruiner of people...
[14:33] <knome> that's not a hard task, there's a lot of surface to land on
[14:33] <OvenWerk1> :)
[14:34] <knome> yeah, it's usually the poorest who give the most (at least by percentage)
[14:50] <smartboyhw> knome, zequence Canonical IS completed the work! (I pinged somebody in #canonical-sysadmin and that did the trick)
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Hey madeinkobaia :)
[15:45] <smartboyhw> We finally get to see you:P
[15:47] <madeinkobaia> Hey smartboyhw : )
[15:47] <madeinkobaia> Yep :P
[15:48] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia, so, are you gonna make a 13.10 wallpaper for us?
[15:48] <smartboyhw> (Just asking, no pressure)
[15:48] <smartboyhw> If you can't do it, we will just ship with what's in here now
[15:51] <madeinkobaia> Normally I will create 2 wallpaper. One minimal, with a simple design, and one more "arty". Then we will decide witch one could be usable as default for the 13.10.
[15:52] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia, just to remind you: UserInterfaceFreeze is on September 19th
[15:54] <madeinkobaia> Yes I know that ;)
[15:55]  * smartboyhw would suggest to hold a artwork contest next cycle
[15:55] <smartboyhw> The wallpapers in our G+ community is awesome
[15:58] <madeinkobaia> The wallpaper contest is a good idea. I think it is already planned for the 14.04. About witch wp in particular you're talking about ?
[15:59] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia, all, tbh
[15:59] <smartboyhw> ALL ARE GREAT WORK:P
[15:59] <smartboyhw> (because I certainly can't make one of these)
[15:59] <madeinkobaia> Ok ;p
[17:20] <cub> hehe smartboyhc's blog was discussed in the Community Roundtable
[17:45] <zequence> cub: Cool
[17:48] <cub> spent 15 minutes talking about G hangout and alternatives
[18:47] <madeinkobaia> See you all : )
[21:45] <OvenWerk1> Yahoo! ubuntustudio-installer, ubuntustudio-menu, ubuntustudio-default-settings and ubuntustudio-icon-theme are all updated to the wild.
[21:45] <knome> :)
[21:45] <knome> congrats
[21:46] <OvenWerk1> All we need is a respin.
[21:46] <OvenWerk1> (tomorrow is fine
[21:47]  * OvenWerk1 is also happy to have a console working on his new MB
[22:15] <zequence> Just finished the announcement for the merchandise http://ubuntustudio.org/2013/08/ubuntu-studio-merchandise/
[23:03] <OvenWerk1> Ok, that one is (c) 2011. I think we went the wrong way
[23:04] <OvenWerk1> The photo looks squashed on my screen though.
[23:05] <knome> OvenWerk1, no, i changed it to 2011 (that was in html <meta>)
[23:05] <knome> the photo looks fine to me
[23:20] <OvenWerk1> knome: must be rekonq then. The desktop has round icons...
[23:21] <knome> desktop? :)
[23:21] <knome> was referring to http://ubuntustudio.org/2013/08/ubuntu-studio-merchandise/...
[23:23] <OvenWerk1> Ya, its the browser, FF is fine... 
[23:24] <OvenWerk1> WHat I was saying is that the desktop itself has round not squashed cirecles.
[23:24] <OvenWerk1> *circles
[23:26] <knome> heh
[23:26] <OvenWerk1> In fact, now that I look at it, The rest of that page is correct, it is just the way the browsers reder the photo. weird
[23:26] <knome> was wondering if you thought kaj's shirt was a desktop...
[23:26] <OvenWerk1> Na, I would like a nicer backdrop :P