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| victor__ | Buenas noches | 00:28 |
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| victor__ | Sabeis de alguna dirección donde se explique como activar el bluetooth. Lo he intentado todo, lo que he llegado a encontrar, y no se activa. | 00:29 |
| studio-user635 | hello | 00:45 |
| studio-user635 | i installed ubuntu studio and when i try to boot it sais that the bootdriver is missing | 00:45 |
| === sporkeee is now known as wilee-nilee | ||
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| Guest45878 | test | 00:52 |
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| === 17SADBGVJ is now known as wilee-nilee | ||
| inahd | hey all, i have a bit of a cross over question... using AVlinux | 03:29 |
| inahd | why can't i get this darn sound to come through my speakers! | 03:30 |
| holstein | inahd: you can try.. avlinux is not quite the same, though all the apps are similar | 03:30 |
| inahd | i am not sure what happened, last time i booted up everything worked fine (the story of my linux life) | 03:31 |
| holstein | inahd: what is going on? | 03:31 |
| inahd | im not really sure :( | 03:32 |
| holstein | inahd: you hit the power button.. go from there | 03:32 |
| inahd | mudita24 controller gives no readings | 03:32 |
| holstein | black screen? user one log? bad resolution? x crashes? | 03:32 |
| holstein | kernel panic? | 03:32 |
| holstein | inahd: first thing, if you are updating AVlinux, thats the problem | 03:33 |
| holstein | inahd: its not meant to be updated | 03:33 |
| inahd | no its not that | 03:33 |
| holstein | if you want newer stuff, you'll have to use something like ubuntustudio 13.04 | 03:33 |
| inahd | just some weird audio thing | 03:33 |
| holstein | otherwise, you'll need to go to AVlinux support and be *very* detailed | 03:33 |
| inahd | yeah... | 03:34 |
| inahd | sigh | 03:34 |
| holstein | since its basically a dead project, if its not meeting your needs, you should try ubuntustudio | 03:34 |
| holstein | try it live | 03:34 |
| holstein | otherwise, test as another user.. try the AVlinux CD live to see that its not a hardware problem | 03:34 |
| inahd | this ALWAYS happens, i have been solving the same simple problems over and over for years now it seems | 03:34 |
| holstein | inahd: eh | 03:34 |
| inahd | :D | 03:35 |
| holstein | inahd: you'll figure it out.. | 03:35 |
| holstein | inahd: you dont need to install AVlinux | 03:35 |
| holstein | if you feel you are breaking it, just run it live | 03:35 |
| inahd | i just never seem to learn from what i learn | 03:35 |
| holstein | ? | 03:36 |
| holstein | have you tried running it live? | 03:36 |
| holstein | you could earn from that... | 03:36 |
| holstein | learn* | 03:36 |
| inahd | i am gonna try from another account, to see if its a settings thing | 03:36 |
| inahd | that is a good idea | 03:36 |
| holstein | "good" is a matter of opinion and use case.. these things help you learn factually what is going on | 03:37 |
| inahd | yes that is where i often fall short | 03:37 |
| holstein | well, you dont *ever* fall short on facts.. | 03:37 |
| inahd | end up trying so many things, that by the time i solve the problem i forget what did it | 03:38 |
| holstein | try "so many things" from a live CD | 03:38 |
| holstein | dual boot.. dont try things *at *all* on your production machine | 03:38 |
| inahd | hehe, will that slow it down... by running it live? | 03:39 |
| holstein | have a different partition where you install testing or playing around installs | 03:39 |
| holstein | inahd: try it, friend | 03:39 |
| inahd | very smart also | 03:39 |
| holstein | i wouldnt suggest anything that will not work | 03:39 |
| holstein | there is no reason to install AVLinux, as i said | 03:39 |
| holstein | it'll run just fine live, and do all the things you want to do | 03:39 |
| inahd | okay | 03:39 |
| holstein | but, if you want to "mess around", run 2 installs.. | 03:39 |
| holstein | OR, mirror the one you have *before* breaking it | 03:40 |
| holstein | think of everything you put your admin password in for as potentially breaking your production machine | 03:40 |
| holstein | for me, that is $$ sometimes.. and, this has nothing to do with linux, specifically.. i have helped many windows and mac users with similar issues | 03:41 |
| inahd | it makes good sense | 03:41 |
| holstein | "i installed something and now i cant record". or whatever.. happens on *any* os | 03:41 |
| holstein | AVlinux is meant to be an appliance.. ubuntustudio is meant more as a typical desktop operating system | 03:41 |
| inahd | i just love the way avlinux is so full of stuff | 03:42 |
| holstein | neither is "better".. but if you want to mess with AV a lot, you might prefer something like ubuntu where you can upgrade and get more current libs | 03:42 |
| holstein | inahd: most of the "stuff" is in most distro repos | 03:42 |
| inahd | hmmm | 03:42 |
| inahd | i guess i should give it another try | 03:43 |
| inahd | right now i dual boot avlinux and mint | 03:43 |
| holstein | you should do what works for you.. | 03:43 |
| holstein | !mint | 03:43 |
| ubottu | Linux Mint is not a supported derivative of Ubuntu. Please seek support in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org | 03:43 |
| holstein | *all* our packages and metapackages are available on mint | 03:44 |
| inahd | i see | 03:44 |
| inahd | so i will keep playing around with all this, hopefully get it to work again | 03:45 |
| holstein | inahd: we have a live CD as well | 03:46 |
| inahd | true, i will probably grab it | 03:46 |
| holstein | i mean, this is one of the more open ubuntu support channels, because i want to try and cultivate community, but you really should have our software if you want to seek support here | 03:48 |
| inahd | that is fair | 03:48 |
| holstein | :) | 03:48 |
| holstein | and, im not saying you should or must install it, but you can use it to troubleshoot... | 03:49 |
| inahd | i was saying before, the initial experience with ubuntustudio sort of turned me off... mostly cause i saw a bunch of prices in synaptic | 03:50 |
| inahd | talking to guys on here i got a bit more understanding about that, and i have meant to try installing it again | 03:51 |
| holstein | inahd: no | 03:51 |
| holstein | inahd: you saw prices for commercial software listed in the software center | 03:51 |
| inahd | yeah | 03:51 |
| holstein | which, you can ignore, or not use | 03:51 |
| inahd | i had never seen that before | 03:51 |
| holstein | OR, uninstall | 03:51 |
| holstein | inahd: you dont have to buy the | 03:52 |
| holstein | them* | 03:52 |
| inahd | right | 03:52 |
| holstein | inahd: think of it this way.. if you had software to sell, you could sell it there.. but not in AVlinux.. or most other linux distros | 03:52 |
| holstein | not that im saying its "good" or "better".. just again, stating facts | 03:52 |
| inahd | and i mean its an ubuntu thing in general i imagine | 03:53 |
| holstein | inahd: its a cannonical thin | 03:53 |
| holstein | thing* | 03:53 |
| holstein | they, at some point, would like some of the money back, i think | 03:53 |
| holstein | again, dont use it if you dont want to | 03:53 |
| inahd | our love and gratitude aren't enough? | 03:53 |
| holstein | we had just pulled the software center in, as well | 03:54 |
| holstein | inahd: for ubuntu, and the ubuntu community, that is plenty :) | 03:54 |
| inahd | hmmm | 03:54 |
| inahd | how does canonical differ from the ubuntu community? | 03:54 |
| holstein | inahd: cannonical is a company... they pay for some development and developer salaries.. and hosting.. etc.. other bills | 03:55 |
| holstein | ubuntu is a community of people, like me. and you. | 03:55 |
| inahd | thats pretty interesting really | 03:56 |
| holstein | and again, just facts :) | 03:56 |
| inahd | so, canonical funded the development of ubuntu then? | 03:56 |
| holstein | inahd: funds... pays salaries.. etc | 03:57 |
| inahd | makes one wonder, where they came from. | 03:58 |
| inahd | seems like a very long term business strategy | 03:58 |
| inahd | of course, maybe i am just paranoid | 04:03 |
| holstein | why? the code is still *all* open | 04:03 |
| inahd | its true, i guess it was all like 'ubuntu' and everyone holding hands and stuff... and then slowly canonical and all this stuff for sale... | 04:06 |
| inahd | i mean, was that how red hat did it? | 04:07 |
| inahd | will ubuntu itself eventually become an operating system that must be purchased? | 04:09 |
| wilee-nilee | doubt it it in its installed state it is open source | 04:13 |
| holstein | inahd: ubuntu is a community.. the os can be bought, sold, or purchased many ways.. including by you | 04:18 |
| holstein | inahd: the thing you are referencing is a way for software to be sold to ubuntu customers.. i use ubuntu, and dont use the software center | 04:19 |
| inahd | hmmmm, but can the community (or its coding) be co-opted by some commercial venture such as canonical? | 04:22 |
| inahd | i am rather ignorant of these sorts of things, yet very interested. | 04:24 |
| wilee-nilee | inahd, canonical provides server support at a cost, not sure of all its programs but you can pay for regular support as well, check the site if your really interested. | 04:27 |
| inahd | ok... i guess if ubuntu becomes an OS that you have to pay for, its not really a big deal... | 04:28 |
| inahd | it did seem to be a somewhat cohesive force in making linux available to the public though | 04:29 |
| holstein | inahd: the licenses are the licenses.. | 04:32 |
| holstein | code can be done with whatever the licenses allow | 04:32 |
| holstein | i feel like im defending a model that im not really supporting, or care much about, personally, either way | 04:32 |
| holstein | but.. this is a commercial company trying something.. mixing open and commercial | 04:33 |
| holstein | why? so they can make money, potentially | 04:33 |
| holstein | not usuing ubuntu because there is commercial software in the software center is a bit like not shopping at a grocery store becuase they sell cigarettes | 04:33 |
| holstein | you may smoke or not, but the fact is, if not one bought cigarettes there, they wouldnt sell them | 04:34 |
| inahd | licenses in this case being GPL? | 04:34 |
| holstein | inahd: the licenses, as i said, are what they are.. open, if they are to be released with ubuntu | 04:34 |
| holstein | inahd: that information is public knowlege.. and, to be devils advocate.. not *all* of the software in AVlinux is like that | 04:35 |
| holstein | you have proprietary code that is just included, to get you to buy it | 04:35 |
| inahd | hehe yeah i noted that about AVlinux | 04:36 |
| holstein | demo versions of plugins bundled that could be doing literally anything, since they are not open.. and they are limited, and designed to have you demo them, and purchase them | 04:36 |
| wilee-nilee | for me a OS is a OS, some I had to pay for some not I use what works for me, and follow the law. | 04:36 |
| holstein | inahd: is that bad? im not saying it is.. im just drawing a factual correlation | 04:36 |
| holstein | that is the way the AVlinux dev attempted to make money.. bundling closed source demo apps.. this is the way ubuntu did it.. a store | 04:37 |
| holstein | i personally dont use the ubuntu software center.. and if folks dont use it, or buy things from it, then the model will fail | 04:37 |
| inahd | i think personally i felt less affronted by the way AVlinux did it | 04:37 |
| holstein | inahd: neither are an affront to you, at all | 04:38 |
| holstein | inahd: they are commercial attempts to make money that have little to do with you at all | 04:38 |
| holstein | inahd: ubuntu *cant* include that code.. since its not open | 04:38 |
| holstein | its all open, and public.. if you want to research | 04:39 |
| inahd | right, no that makes sense | 04:39 |
| holstein | again, not trying to convince you of anything.. ubuntustudio sells its self | 04:39 |
| holstein | you either need/want it, or dont.. | 04:40 |
| holstein | anyways.. enjoy! im out for the night.. | 04:40 |
| inahd | cool | 04:40 |
| inahd | appreciate your time | 04:40 |
| holstein | inahd: anytime! | 04:40 |
| inahd | hey all :) | 15:50 |
| smartboyhw | inahd, hello! | 15:50 |
| inahd | just installed some of the ubuntustudio packages on mint.. now my computer has become puny and weak | 15:51 |
| inahd | :( | 15:51 |
| inahd | seems to freeze if i stop paying attention to it | 15:53 |
| inahd | i will not make the obvious parallel | 15:53 |
| smartboyhw | inahd, why? | 15:53 |
| smartboyhw | Well, first of all Ubuntu Studio is not optimized for Mint, but it should still work | 15:53 |
| inahd | why wil i not make the obvious parallel to my relationship? | 15:54 |
| smartboyhw | inahd, what parallel!? | 15:55 |
| inahd | i tried restoring the default settings, whatever that means... | 16:01 |
| smartboyhw | ? | 16:03 |
| inahd | in this case, that my girlfriend freezes if i stop paying her attention | 16:04 |
| inahd | i have become a bitter and loathing person... apparently | 16:04 |
| smartboyhw | inahd, OK, this channel is NOT for discussions about relationships | 16:05 |
| smartboyhw | !ot | inahd | 16:05 |
| ubottu | inahd: #ubuntustudio is the official Ubuntu Studio support channel and #ubuntu-offtopic is for general chatter. Welcome! | 16:05 |
| smartboyhw | General chatter -> #ubuntu-offtopic | 16:05 |
| inahd | ubottu: yessir! | 16:10 |
| inahd | i have been botted... | 16:13 |
| inahd | but actually i am seeking assistance with ubuntustudio packages and my system crashing after installing them | 16:14 |
| smartboyhw | inahd, where does it crash? | 16:16 |
| inahd | seems to have crashed twice now, after i messed with some audio editing stuff and had the browser open. | 16:18 |
| inahd | wasn't at the computer using it when it happened... seems glitchy | 16:19 |
| inahd | i am afraid to stop using the computer again, in case it stops working :P | 16:21 |
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| sirriffsalot | How would I go about writing a script that moves all my .ogg files from desktop to a specific device (an external hard-disk), and another to move it back to the desktop on another computer? | 23:53 |
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