[00:28] <victor__> Buenas noches
[00:29] <victor__> Sabeis de alguna dirección donde se explique como activar el bluetooth. Lo he intentado todo, lo que he llegado a encontrar, y no se activa.
[00:45] <studio-user635> hello
[00:45] <studio-user635> i installed ubuntu studio and when i try to boot it sais that the bootdriver is missing
[00:52] <Guest45878> test
[03:29] <inahd> hey all, i have a bit of a cross over question... using AVlinux
[03:30] <inahd> why can't i get this darn sound to come through my speakers!
[03:30] <holstein> inahd: you can try.. avlinux is not quite the same, though all the apps are similar
[03:31] <inahd> i am not sure what happened, last time i booted up everything worked fine (the story of my linux life)
[03:31] <holstein> inahd: what is going on?
[03:32] <inahd> im not really sure :(
[03:32] <holstein> inahd: you hit the power button.. go from there
[03:32] <inahd> mudita24 controller gives no readings
[03:32] <holstein> black screen? user one log? bad resolution? x crashes?
[03:32] <holstein> kernel panic?
[03:33] <holstein> inahd: first thing, if you are updating AVlinux, thats the problem
[03:33] <holstein> inahd: its not meant to be updated
[03:33] <inahd> no its not that
[03:33] <holstein> if you want newer stuff, you'll have to use something like ubuntustudio 13.04
[03:33] <inahd> just some weird audio thing
[03:33] <holstein> otherwise, you'll need to go to AVlinux support and be *very* detailed
[03:34] <inahd> yeah...
[03:34] <inahd> sigh
[03:34] <holstein> since its basically a dead project, if its not meeting your needs, you should try ubuntustudio
[03:34] <holstein> try it live
[03:34] <holstein> otherwise, test as another user.. try the AVlinux CD live to see that its not a hardware problem
[03:34] <inahd> this ALWAYS happens, i have been solving the same simple problems over and over for years now it seems
[03:34] <holstein> inahd: eh
[03:35] <inahd> :D
[03:35] <holstein> inahd: you'll figure it out..
[03:35] <holstein> inahd: you dont need to install AVlinux
[03:35] <holstein> if you feel you are breaking it, just run it live
[03:35] <inahd> i just never seem to learn from what i learn
[03:36] <holstein> ?
[03:36] <holstein> have you tried running it live?
[03:36] <holstein> you could earn from that...
[03:36] <holstein> learn*
[03:36] <inahd> i am gonna try from another account, to see if its a settings thing
[03:36] <inahd> that is a good idea
[03:37] <holstein> "good" is a matter of opinion and use case.. these things help you learn factually what is going on
[03:37] <inahd> yes that is where i often fall short
[03:37] <holstein> well, you dont *ever* fall short on facts..
[03:38] <inahd> end up trying so many things, that by the time i solve the problem i forget what did it
[03:38] <holstein> try "so many things" from a live CD
[03:38] <holstein> dual boot.. dont try things *at *all* on your production machine
[03:39] <inahd> hehe, will that slow it down... by running it live?
[03:39] <holstein> have a different partition where you install testing or playing around installs
[03:39] <holstein> inahd: try it, friend
[03:39] <inahd> very smart also
[03:39] <holstein> i wouldnt suggest anything that will not work
[03:39] <holstein> there is no reason to install AVLinux, as i said
[03:39] <holstein> it'll run just fine live, and do all the things you want to do
[03:39] <inahd> okay
[03:39] <holstein> but, if you want to "mess around", run 2 installs..
[03:40] <holstein> OR, mirror the one you have *before* breaking it
[03:40] <holstein> think of everything you put your admin password in for as potentially breaking your production machine
[03:41] <holstein> for me, that is $$ sometimes.. and, this has nothing to do with linux, specifically.. i have helped many windows and mac users with similar issues
[03:41] <inahd> it makes good sense
[03:41] <holstein> "i installed something and now i cant record". or whatever.. happens on *any* os
[03:41] <holstein> AVlinux is meant to be an appliance.. ubuntustudio is meant more as a typical desktop operating system
[03:42] <inahd> i just love the way avlinux is so full of stuff
[03:42] <holstein> neither is "better".. but if you want to mess with AV a lot, you might prefer something like ubuntu where you can upgrade and get more current libs
[03:42] <holstein> inahd: most of the "stuff" is in most distro repos
[03:42] <inahd> hmmm
[03:43] <inahd> i guess i should give it another try
[03:43] <inahd> right now i dual boot avlinux and mint
[03:43] <holstein> you should do what works for you..
[03:43] <holstein> !mint
[03:44] <holstein> *all* our packages and metapackages are available on mint
[03:44] <inahd> i see
[03:45] <inahd> so i will keep playing around with all this, hopefully get it to work again
[03:46] <holstein> inahd: we have a live CD as well
[03:46] <inahd> true, i will probably grab it
[03:48] <holstein> i mean, this is one of the more open ubuntu support channels, because i want to try and cultivate community, but you really should have our software if you want to seek support here
[03:48] <inahd> that is fair
[03:48] <holstein> :)
[03:49] <holstein> and, im not saying you should or must install it, but you can use it to troubleshoot...
[03:50] <inahd> i was saying before, the initial experience with ubuntustudio sort of turned me off... mostly cause i saw a bunch of prices in synaptic
[03:51] <inahd> talking to guys on here i got a bit more understanding about that, and i have meant to try installing it again
[03:51] <holstein> inahd: no
[03:51] <holstein> inahd: you saw prices for commercial software listed in the software center
[03:51] <inahd> yeah
[03:51] <holstein> which, you can ignore, or not use
[03:51] <inahd> i had never seen that before
[03:51] <holstein> OR, uninstall
[03:52] <holstein> inahd: you dont have to buy the
[03:52] <holstein> them*
[03:52] <inahd> right
[03:52] <holstein> inahd: think of it this way.. if you had software to sell, you could sell it there.. but not in AVlinux.. or most other linux distros
[03:52] <holstein> not that im saying its "good" or "better".. just again, stating facts
[03:53] <inahd> and i mean its an ubuntu thing in general i imagine
[03:53] <holstein> inahd: its a cannonical thin
[03:53] <holstein> thing*
[03:53] <holstein> they, at some point, would like some of the money back, i think
[03:53] <holstein> again, dont use it if you dont want to
[03:53] <inahd> our love and gratitude aren't enough?
[03:54] <holstein> we had just pulled the software center in, as well
[03:54] <holstein> inahd: for ubuntu, and the ubuntu community, that is plenty :)
[03:54] <inahd> hmmm
[03:54] <inahd> how does canonical differ from the ubuntu community?
[03:55] <holstein> inahd: cannonical is a company... they pay for some development and developer salaries.. and hosting.. etc.. other bills
[03:55] <holstein> ubuntu is a community of people, like me. and you.
[03:56] <inahd> thats pretty interesting really
[03:56] <holstein> and again, just facts :)
[03:56] <inahd> so, canonical funded the development of ubuntu then?
[03:57] <holstein> inahd: funds... pays salaries.. etc
[03:58] <inahd> makes one wonder, where they came from.
[03:58] <inahd> seems like a very long term business strategy
[04:03] <inahd> of course, maybe i am just paranoid
[04:03] <holstein> why? the code is still *all* open
[04:06] <inahd> its true, i guess it was all like 'ubuntu' and everyone holding hands and stuff... and then slowly canonical and all this stuff for sale...
[04:07] <inahd> i mean, was that how red hat did it?
[04:09] <inahd> will ubuntu itself eventually become an operating system that must be purchased?
[04:13] <wilee-nilee>  doubt it it in its installed state it is open source
[04:18] <holstein> inahd: ubuntu is a community.. the os can be bought, sold, or purchased many ways.. including by you
[04:19] <holstein> inahd: the thing you are referencing is a way for software to be sold to ubuntu customers.. i use ubuntu, and dont use the software center
[04:22] <inahd> hmmmm, but can the community (or its coding) be co-opted by some commercial venture such as canonical?
[04:24] <inahd> i am rather ignorant of these sorts of things, yet very interested.
[04:27] <wilee-nilee> inahd, canonical provides server support at a cost, not sure of all its programs but you can pay for regular support as well, check the site if your really interested.
[04:28] <inahd> ok... i guess if ubuntu becomes an OS that you have to pay for, its not really a big deal...
[04:29] <inahd> it did seem to be a somewhat cohesive force in making linux available to the public though
[04:32] <holstein> inahd: the licenses are the licenses..
[04:32] <holstein> code can be done with whatever the licenses allow
[04:32] <holstein> i feel like im defending a model that im not really supporting, or care much about, personally, either way
[04:33] <holstein> but.. this is a commercial company trying something.. mixing open and commercial
[04:33] <holstein> why? so they can make money, potentially
[04:33] <holstein> not usuing ubuntu because there is commercial software in the software center is a bit like not shopping at a grocery store becuase they sell cigarettes
[04:34] <holstein> you may smoke or not, but the fact is, if not one bought cigarettes there, they wouldnt sell them
[04:34] <inahd> licenses in this case being GPL?
[04:34] <holstein> inahd: the licenses, as i said, are what they are.. open, if they are to be released with ubuntu
[04:35] <holstein> inahd: that information is public knowlege.. and, to be devils advocate.. not *all* of the software in AVlinux is like that
[04:35] <holstein> you have proprietary code that is just included, to get you to buy it
[04:36] <inahd> hehe yeah i noted that about AVlinux
[04:36] <holstein> demo versions of plugins bundled that could be doing literally anything, since they are not open.. and they are limited, and designed to have you demo them, and purchase them
[04:36] <wilee-nilee> for me a OS is a OS, some I had to pay for some not I use what works for me, and follow the law.
[04:36] <holstein> inahd: is that bad? im not saying it is.. im just drawing a factual correlation
[04:37] <holstein> that is the way the AVlinux dev attempted to make money.. bundling closed source demo apps.. this is the way ubuntu did it.. a store
[04:37] <holstein> i personally dont use the ubuntu software center.. and if folks dont use it, or buy things from it, then the model will fail
[04:37] <inahd> i think personally i felt less affronted by the way AVlinux did it
[04:38] <holstein> inahd: neither are an affront to you, at all
[04:38] <holstein> inahd: they are commercial attempts to make money that have little to do with you at all
[04:38] <holstein> inahd: ubuntu *cant* include that code.. since its not open
[04:39] <holstein> its all open, and public.. if you want to research
[04:39] <inahd> right, no that makes sense
[04:39] <holstein> again, not trying to convince you of anything.. ubuntustudio sells its self
[04:40] <holstein> you either need/want it, or dont..
[04:40] <holstein> anyways.. enjoy! im out for the night..
[04:40] <inahd> cool
[04:40] <inahd> appreciate your time
[04:40] <holstein> inahd: anytime!
[15:50] <inahd> hey all :)
[15:50] <smartboyhw> inahd, hello!
[15:51] <inahd> just installed some of the ubuntustudio packages on mint.. now my computer has become puny and weak
[15:51] <inahd> :(
[15:53] <inahd> seems to freeze if i stop paying attention to it
[15:53] <inahd> i will not make the obvious parallel
[15:53] <smartboyhw> inahd, why?
[15:53] <smartboyhw> Well, first of all Ubuntu Studio is not optimized for Mint, but it should still work
[15:54] <inahd> why wil i not make the obvious parallel to my relationship?
[15:55] <smartboyhw> inahd, what parallel!?
[16:01] <inahd> i tried restoring the default settings, whatever that means...
[16:03] <smartboyhw> ?
[16:04] <inahd> in this case, that my girlfriend freezes if i stop paying her attention
[16:04] <inahd> i have become a bitter and loathing person... apparently
[16:05] <smartboyhw> inahd, OK, this channel is NOT for discussions about relationships
[16:05] <smartboyhw> !ot | inahd
[16:05] <smartboyhw> General chatter -> #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:10] <inahd> ubottu: yessir!
[16:13] <inahd> i have been botted...
[16:14] <inahd> but actually i am seeking assistance with ubuntustudio packages and my system crashing after installing them
[16:16] <smartboyhw> inahd, where does it crash?
[16:18] <inahd> seems to have crashed twice now, after i messed with some audio editing stuff and had the browser open.
[16:19] <inahd> wasn't at the computer using it when it happened... seems glitchy
[16:21] <inahd> i am afraid to stop using the computer again, in case it stops working :P
[23:53] <sirriffsalot> How would I go about writing a script that moves all my .ogg files from desktop to a specific device (an external hard-disk), and another to move it back to the desktop on another computer?