[00:10] <Spiritus> Hello, people.
[00:15] <David-A> hello
[00:15] <David-A> !hello
[00:15] <David-A> !hi
[01:28] <lokote_jones> Is there a way to know which cable for my SSD would make sure it is number one in the list? Does it even matter what cable my SSD is connected to inside my computer?
[03:18] <holstein> lokote_jones: i would ask in a hardware irc channel.. you can always just try isolating them out, and plugging just a few or one in. fstab is good for nailing down where things are
[03:18] <holstein> !fstab
[05:10] <DJJeff> when I try to launch gnome-terminal, gedit or any gnome based application I keep getting
[05:10] <DJJeff> org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply
[05:11] <DJJeff> im running Xubuntu 13.10 Saucy
[05:11] <DJJeff> the gnome application does actually start after about 45 seconds
[05:12] <DJJeff> where as Xfce apps start instantly (leafpad, xterm)
[05:12] <baizon> DJJeff: you can ask at #ubuntu+1
[05:13] <baizon> this is a channel for xubuntu < 13.10
[05:14] <DJJeff> I did try an strace and pasted it here http://paste.ubuntu.com/6035422/
[05:14] <DJJeff> ok I will try ubuntu+1
[06:03] <xubuntu332> sup anybody there
[06:03] <xubuntu332> have a few questions
[06:05] <xubuntu332> whats the best RDP client/server when remoating from win to linux
[06:06] <Wulfe> rdesktop
[06:07] <Wulfe> or there is also remmina
[06:07] <xubuntu332> how do they compared to NX and x2go
[06:07] <Wulfe> not much beats NX imo
[06:08] <Wulfe> but i was just offering something simple
[06:09] <xubuntu332> have you tried x2go?
[06:10] <xubuntu332> anyway, i have an old router that does not have the feature of being able to be end point vpn
[06:10] <Wulfe> not really but i am familiar with it
[06:10] <xubuntu332> so my friend suggested pppoe
[06:11] <xubuntu332> do you guys have a better sugestion
[07:54] <darshan> hi guys! small question regarding shortcut keys: i added a new shortcut for opening the applications menu with Super_L. But when I use combinations with Super_L e.g. Super_L-F for the file browser, the application menu triggers as well. Any way around this?
[07:56] <well_laid_lawn> try alt+super_l for the menu
[07:57] <darshan> thanks. yes that will do it. But I like to have just Super_L for the menu. And Super_L combinations for others. Is this not possible?
[08:00] <well_laid_lawn> you press super+L and the menu is gonna pop up - doesn't matter what othe keybindings you have set up
[08:01] <well_laid_lawn> oops I meant super_L
[08:01] <well_laid_lawn> but you knew that ;)
[08:04] <darshan> that's right. but if i bind Super_L+F for the file browser, both the file browser & menu opens!
[08:05] <well_laid_lawn> yes 'cause you pressed super_L
[08:05] <well_laid_lawn> it's pretty straight forward
[08:05] <well_laid_lawn> add a modifier for the menu
[08:06] <well_laid_lawn> like alt
[08:06] <darshan> ok thanks
[08:06] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[12:11] <bongbong> hello brothers, Im a newbie in this xubuntu, I tried to access my webmail but it alway direct me to IIS7 sites , please i need yout help to access my webmail , any  apps needs to install ? thank you so much !!God bless everyone
[12:15] <TheSheep> bongbong: no, you don't need to install anything, make sure you are using the right address for your webmail
[12:15] <ui_> !details | bongbong
[15:42] <xubuntu132> c'è qualcuno che puo aiutarmi con la versione live di xubuntu?
[15:43] <xubuntu132> ho masterizzato 2 iso di xubuntu ma la live non parte come posso installarlo
[15:43] <xubuntu132> la iso di ubuntu mi funziona benissimo
[15:44] <knome> !it | xubuntu132
[15:45] <xubuntu132> thx
[17:05] <xubuntu881> Hi there! In Xubuntu 12.04 LTS de-DE there is an pronounciation error: Dateiystem instead of Dateisystem. Please correct!
[17:28] <xubuntu218> I have downloaded the iso, twice, the resultant dvd isn't bootable?
[17:30] <elfy> I'd check the md5sum and make sure you're burning it properly - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[17:34] <xubuntu829> hello
[17:36] <xubuntu829> is it possible to connect a disk drive to a xubuntu box and install xubunto onto this disk from the running xubuntu?
[17:37] <xubuntu829> there is a startup disk creator for usb... so it should be not very different I guess
[17:37] <xubuntu829> I tried to google but found nothing useful
[17:53] <xubuntu218> iso download md5sum OK
[17:53] <xubuntu218> I am burning from win Vista, I can not get the burner to work in Mint or Fedora, so I'm using my laptop
[17:54] <xubuntu218> I don't find any setting to make it bootable
[17:59] <elfy> xubuntu218: try using http://infrarecorder.org/
[17:59] <elfy> make sure you burn as an image
[17:59] <elfy> then check that the machine is set to boot from cd first
[18:35] <xubuntu218> I need help makeing dvd bootable
[18:38] <TheSheep> !install
[18:50] <darkblue_b> hi all - first things first.. our Linux "distribution" has gone 7.0, we build on top of XUbuntu and once again we are just so pleased with the whole thing. Our bet compliment to you is to distribute widely, which we do.. Great!    http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Press_Release_43
[18:50] <darkblue_b> s/bet/best/
[18:51] <darkblue_b> the working code is here.. all the install and build scripts are in bin/   http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/livedvd/gisvm/trunk/
[19:34] <xubuntu218> I still need help makeing the dvd bootable
[19:36] <well_laid_lawn> you might need to check your bios and make sure the computer can boot from the dvd
[19:37] <xubuntu218> it boots to several cds Hiram's for one
[19:37] <elfy> then I'd assume you're burning it wrong
[19:37] <ui_> xubuntu218: check the md5 of the dvd: dd if=/dev/sr0 bs=40M | md5sum
[19:38] <elfy> or it's not burnt properly
[19:43] <xubuntu218> I checked the md%sum  ok
[19:44] <ui_> then the dvd was burnt correctly
[19:44] <xubuntu218> when I burd it I use the Vista laptop and there is no setting, just poke and hope
[19:45] <ui_> does the laptop have >= 512M of RAM?
[19:45] <xubuntu218> I got an iso burner (not the Vista and tried it, same.  the iso is good, I put it on a thumb drive and it works on the laptop
[19:45] <xubuntu218> laptop has 2 gig
[19:46] <xubuntu218> but it has to be with the burner
[19:48] <xubuntu218> you know one that works on vista?
[19:50] <Maple__> Just checking - Xubuntu 13.10 is sticking with X, right?
[19:50] <pleia2> yes
[19:51] <Unit193> http://open.knome.fi/2013/08/22/xubuntu-team-no-mir-for-13-10/
[19:51] <Maple__> Got it, thanks.
[19:57] <xubuntu772> hello
[19:57] <xubuntu829> is there a way to install xubunto to a second disk from an existing xubuntu system without booting the installer (anyhow) ?
[20:00] <xubuntu772> I've been having a minor issue in 13.04 recently where I'll be prompted about an avaiable update(s)  but viewing the updates shows no information about them, the update manager is blank. Rebooting makes no difference. Updates still install fine though.
[20:00] <TheSheep> xubuntu829: you could probably boot a virtual machine
[20:00] <ui_> !debootstrap | xubuntu829
[20:01] <xubuntu772> Not that I can think of xubuntu829, but I'm no expert
[20:01] <ui_> xubuntu829: ... or install ubiquity
[20:01] <xubuntu772> oops there ya go i guess :)
[20:01] <ui_> !ubiquity
[20:01] <xubuntu829> this is still about bootingh
[20:01] <xubuntu829> why does the installer need to booted?
[20:02] <xubuntu829> being root it could simply run on an existing installed xubuntu??
[20:02] <TheSheep> xubuntu829: it wasn't designed with that in mind
[20:02] <ui_> debootstrap and ubiquity can be run from a running system.
[20:02] <ui_> The second one is newbie-friendly, the first one gives more customization but has a more complex installation process
[20:03] <TheSheep> ah, so it was designed for that after all, sorry
[20:03] <ui_> xubuntu772: open a terminal, type sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:04] <ui_> paste the output on !pastebin and link us the pastebin
[20:04] <ui_> !pastebin
[20:04] <xubuntu772> thanks, like i said it still updates fine and all just no info shown in the update manager :)
[20:04] <xubuntu772> Anyway my post about my issue was really more of a bug report i guess, but wasn't sure where else to share it.
[20:05] <xubuntu772> I can view what they are in terminal, but casual/new users won't use terminal for updates.
[20:06] <xubuntu772> Sorry, the "Software Updater"
[20:10] <xubuntu772> Sorry, one last time with correct terminology: I've been experiencing a minor bug in 13.04 recently where I'll be prompted about an avaiable update(s)  but viewing the updates shows no information about them, the Software Updater is blank. Rebooting makes no difference. Updates still install fine though.  Anyone else?
[20:11] <xubuntu829> ui_: thanks... my google hits told me these can install the live cd itself...
[20:11] <xubuntu829> without having a CD written...
[20:13] <xubuntu772> kind of like a live usb 829?
[20:14] <ui_> xubuntu772: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1211511
[20:14] <ui_> is it this bug?
[20:15] <xubuntu772> Thanks ubottu, I think so, sounds the same.
[20:17] <ui_> xubuntu829: AFAIK they do not.
[20:18] <xubuntu772> Yep, I read it all and exact same issue, glad it's been properly reported, thanks again.
[20:18] <ui_> If you want a custom Live CD, you want to google for "remaster", and you'll find UCK (Ubuntu Customization Kit) or RemasterSys
[20:19] <xubuntu772> *Thanks ui, not ubottu :)
[20:20] <ui_> !remaster
[20:21] <xubuntu218>   on the problem with the dvd not booting.  It isn't the dvd, I tried it with the laptop and it works; but the old Dell will boot to an old Mandriva dvd, just doesn't have room for it
[20:22] <ui_> xubuntu829: If you want to copy the default live CD, just do dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/path/to/file.iso bs=40M and then add a menu entry to grub https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot#Manually_editing_the_GRUB_files
[20:22] <xubuntu218> I cannot see why it sees some dvds as bootable and others not
[20:41] <xubuntu499> hello all
[20:43] <xubuntu499> i am very new to linux and have an issue with my install of 12.04 LTS, it seems after the install my graphics/dispaly is really bad a if its running on a 16 bit of sorts.
[20:45] <xubuntu499> not sure what i should do.  it shows that the intel i915 drivers are installed
[20:46] <xubuntu499> have a 82845G/GL [Brookdale-G]/Ge Intgrated Chipset
[20:46] <xubuntu499> any help would be great
[20:50] <ali1234> xubuntu499: i've heard of this problem before
[20:51] <patti> hello, is this xubuntu499
[20:51] <patti> logged in on irc
[20:51] <patti> i can upload a screenshot to show u how bad my graphics look
[20:51] <patti> if it helps
[20:51] <ali1234> well, it might help
[20:51] <ali1234> there's a chance your screenshot will look normal to everyone else
[20:52] <ali1234> but that in itself would give some information
[20:52] <patti> ah
[20:52] <ali1234> i'm just looking for the bug report about this actually
[20:53] <ali1234> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59113
[20:53] <ali1234> note that the fix is labelled "drm/i915: set up PIPECONF explicitly on ilk-ivb"
[20:53] <ali1234> and was fixed very recently, so it won't be in 12.04 probably
[20:55] <patti> :(
[20:57] <patti> can u not share a screenshot or .png on paste.ubuntu.com?
[20:58] <ali1234> no, only text afaik
[20:58] <patti> ahh
[20:58] <ali1234> you can share screenshots in ubuntu one, or imagebin.org
[20:58] <Sysi> or dozen other sites
[20:58] <ali1234> yeah but i could not remember any others off hand
[20:58] <patti> yea ill use pastebin
[20:58] <ali1234> imgur i guess
[21:04] <patti> http://imagebin.org/269045
[21:04] <patti> should show u what i see
[21:06] <ali1234> that looks ok to me
[21:06] <patti> dam
[21:06] <ali1234> but i half expected that
[21:06] <ali1234> the same was true for all the other people who had this problem
[21:06] <patti> oh ok
[21:06] <ali1234> although - you know the wallpaper is supposed to look like that?
[21:07] <patti> that messed up like someone smered it around?
[21:07] <ali1234> the banding, it's supposed to be trees i think
[21:07] <ali1234> hang on let me check
[21:07] <patti> see its almost like its out of focus
[21:08] <ali1234> can you take a photo of the screen for comparison?
[21:08] <patti> like um... shadows ontop of shadows
[21:08] <ali1234> on the bird?
[21:08] <patti> all over
[21:08] <patti> i see almost 2 birds
[21:08] <ali1234> even on windows and stuff?
[21:08] <patti> windows are fine
[21:09] <ali1234> yeah i'm pretty sure it's meant to look like that
[21:09] <patti> wow what a mind screw that is
[21:10] <patti> hmm wait its still gotta be something wrong
[21:11] <patti> cause even at the login its the same way
[21:11] <ali1234> well there still could be stuff you can see that doesn't show in the screenshot
[21:11] <patti> like im running in 16 bit grapics not true
[21:12] <patti> wish it was easier to explain :(
[21:12] <ui_> I agree, the background image looks normal to me.
[21:13] <ali1234> http://www.photoanswers.co.uk/upload/4366/TEST%20PRINT.jpeg
[21:13] <ui_> Does Google Images also look 16-bit?
[21:13] <ali1234> what does that look like?
[21:14] <knome> patti, the wallpaper is designed to be like that. you can always change it if you don't like it.
[21:16] <patti> its ok, not clear i guess.  also when i move a window (drag) its choppy while moving.  The problems are like if I uninstalled my video drivers in windows, then tried to run without them
[21:19] <patti> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59113  <--- is what my display looks like
[21:19] <patti> yea
[21:19] <ali1234> are you using efi on a mac?
[21:20] <patti> no
[21:20] <patti> on a old dell dimension
[21:21] <lokote_jones> Is it possible in Xubuntu to quickly swap between my HDMI sound and my headphones without being forced to do it one at a time?
[21:21] <lokote_jones> Like, a button I can press that switches all sound from the HDMI port to headphone jack 2.
[21:28] <patti> http://askubuntu.com/questions/300889/xubuntu-13-04-intel-video-chip-bad-color-and-video
[21:29] <patti> this may do it
[21:29] <ali1234> it might do, but you might need a newer kernel as well
[21:29] <patti> oh
[21:30] <ali1234> also you might find that same update in a PPA, which is probably better than building it yourself
[21:31] <ali1234> is there a panel applet for "settings" - ie it shows all the stuff in settings manager as a menu?
[21:32] <knome> ali1234, no
[21:32] <patti> ok so what would be the correct steps to try in this without breaking my system
[21:33] <ali1234> patti: not sure really. pretty much anything you do with this kind of low level software has the potential to break your system
[21:33] <patti> bummer
[21:36] <ui_> ali1234: in 12.04, the stuff in settings manager is a sub-menu of Applications.
[21:36] <ali1234> i'm not using 12.04
[21:36] <ui_> You may add a second Applications button and customize the menu
[21:36] <ui_> and add them manually
[21:36] <ali1234> hmm yeah that would work
[21:37] <ali1234> "Use custom menu file" yeah?
[21:37] <PhoenixSTF> hey guys, i am having issue alt tabing full screen applications, it seems not to work, any way to fix this?
[21:38] <knome> PhoenixSTF, can you be a bit more elaborate than "does not work" ?
[21:38] <ui_> Yes, that, or right-click the button >> Properties >> choose the Customize Menu button
[21:38] <ali1234> alacarte is horribly broken in 13.10
[21:38] <ali1234> also wouldn't that affect the main menu too?
[21:38] <knome> ali1234, try menulibre
[21:38] <PhoenixSTF> knome, useing full screen Aplication like Dota2, alt+tab does not work
[21:39] <knome> ali1234, there's a PPA for that
[21:39] <ali1234> why is the demo video running menulibre on unity - which doesn't have a menu?
[21:42] <ali1234> you can't disable the icon on applications menus
[21:43] <ali1234> ah!
[21:44] <ali1234> it's actually much easier than any of these suggestions
[21:44] <ui_> ali1234: you can change the icon to process-idle
[21:44] <ui_> which is an empty icon
[21:44] <ali1234> all you have to do is say "custom menu file" and then select /etc/xdg/menus/xfce-settings-manager.menu
[21:45] <ali1234> i won't even need to keep my custom thing in sync if new config applets are added
[21:46] <knome> except they probably aren't added there
[21:46] <ali1234> why not?
[21:48] <ali1234> xfce4-settings-manager does read in this menu file when you run it
[21:49] <knome> ali1234, ok, then it's probably automatically updated
[21:50] <knome> ali1234, we're pulling stuff in the settings manager based on the category in .desktop files
[21:50] <ali1234> i don't see anything obviously missing at this point in time
[21:51] <ali1234> actually this settings menu has stuff that isn't in the manager too
[21:51] <ali1234> like synaptic
[21:52] <knome> that's why i think it's not completely in sync.
[21:52] <ali1234> weirdly there's two different versions, one is in xdg-xubuntu
[21:52] <ali1234> they're different sizes too
[21:52] <knome> and aiui, it shouldn't
[21:52] <ali1234> they seem to produce the same menus though
[21:52] <ali1234> maybe it just defines a menu category and then the actual items are pulled in based on that?
[21:53] <knome> aiui, that's how it's technically done
[21:53] <ali1234> yeah it's full of logic and category definitions
[21:54] <ali1234> so this might not be identical to settings manager, but it looks like it is exactly what i wanted in the first place
[22:09] <wanttolovedjango> Is there any difrence between xubuntu and ubuntu + xfce  ? I mean can the xubuntu users use #ubutnu ?
[22:09] <wanttolovedjango> difference
[22:09] <ochosi> ali1234: did you ever test the gtk3 indicators?
[22:10] <ali1234> i've been busy reporting bugs in the base stuff all day :)
[22:10] <ochosi> i see :)
[22:10] <ali1234> it's next on my list though
[22:10] <ochosi> as in: now? :)
[22:10] <ali1234> can do
[22:16] <ali1234> this is what i've got so far: http://imagebin.org/269050
[22:17] <David-A> wanttolovedjango: not much difference between xubuntu and ubuntu with the xubuntu-desktop package installed. there may be some overlap of applications and services unless you uninstall them manually.
[22:30] <ochosi> ali1234: hm, that's a screenshot of your desktop..? :) so you're at square 1?
[22:31] <ali1234> yeah
[22:31] <ochosi> well you have all the instructions
[22:42] <ali1234> ochosi: indicator-plugin isn't finding the libxfce4ui headers in /usr/local
[22:46] <ochosi> ali1234: did you run "sudo ldconfig"?
[22:46] <ali1234> yes
[22:47] <ochosi> that's odd
[22:47] <ochosi> and you built it with --enable-gtk3?
[22:47] <ochosi> i mean libxfce4ui
[22:47] <ali1234> yes
[22:49] <ali1234> hang on, it's asking for something different now
[22:49] <ali1234> ok, everything built and installed
[22:49] <ali1234> how do i backup the panel config?
[22:49] <ali1234> oh wait never mind
[22:53] <ochosi> ali1234: don#t forget to install a few gtk3 indicators ;)
[22:58] <ali1234> if i have the gtk2 and gtk3 versions both installed will that cause problems?
[22:59] <ochosi> i guess not
[22:59] <ochosi> gtk2 indicators should be ignored
[22:59] <ochosi> but you can remove them if you want
[22:59] <ochosi> it's not problematic to re-install them
[23:00] <ali1234> ok i installed every indicator i could find and added the indicator applet - it's just empty
[23:00] <ochosi> restarted the panel?
[23:00] <knome> ochosi, ali1234: if you can, take it to -devel so all developers (micah) can follow
[23:00] <ochosi> (from the commandline ideally)
[23:00] <ochosi> yeah, i gotta go any second anyway
[23:01] <knome> yup, and micah isn't here
[23:01] <ochosi> agreed
[23:01] <knome> thanks
[23:02] <ali1234> yeah i restarted it - made no difference
[23:02] <ali1234> even the indicator-sound-gtk2 doesn't show up, which is different