[00:41] <Spee_Der> Good evening folks.
[00:48] <penguin42> hey
[03:27] <Spee_Der> hey
[12:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:35] <paddymahoney> Is anyone working on tiling within ubuntu next? If I could get the ubuntu dock + launcher, with a reasonable tiling setup for the wm, I'd be all over that.
[15:43] <christian_lappy> well, since a few  weeks logging into unity gives me a black screen only
[15:43] <christian_lappy> xfce works
[15:43] <christian_lappy> same happens with other gtk bases wm
[15:44] <christian_lappy> any idea how to get rid of that issue ? i already tried another user account
[16:58] <ariel__> saludos
[16:58] <ariel__> buen dia
[16:58] <ariel__> hello
[16:58] <ariel__> help
[17:13] <BluesKaj> ariel__, ask your question
[17:14] <ariel__> no speack english
[17:15] <ariel__> i am from colombia
[17:15] <paulo_gomes> hi ariel
[17:16] <ariel__> I have a bug that will not let me open the software center
[17:16] <ariel__> ubuntu 13.10
[17:17] <ariel__> I use google translator
[17:19] <BluesKaj> paulo_gomes, is there an #ubuntu+1-es chat ?
[17:19] <ariel__> fine thanks
[17:19] <BluesKaj> nope :(
[17:20] <ariel__> help
[17:20] <ariel__> software-center no open
[17:21] <penguin42> ariel__: you could try to do an update using apt-get  and see if the problem still happens after the update
[17:21] <BluesKaj> ariel__, open konsole , sudo apt-get ipdate
[17:21] <BluesKaj> err update
[17:22] <paulo_gomes> BluesKaj: dont know :(
[17:22] <BluesKaj> paulo_gomes, it doesn't exist
[17:22] <paulo_gomes> ok
[17:22] <paulo_gomes> sad
[17:22] <BluesKaj> already checke
[17:23] <ariel__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041091/
[17:25] <paulo_gomes> ariel i also have that error, but my software center works
[17:26] <paulo_gomes> ariel__: run the software center from command line and see if it shows any error
[17:26] <ariel__> no works
[17:27] <BluesKaj> wonder if he ran the update command first tho
[17:27] <BluesKaj> ariel__ ,   1) , sudo apt-get update  , 2) , sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:27] <ariel__> yes it will stick in the pastebin
[17:29] <BluesKaj> 3) sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:43] <mibofra> Hi, I've upgrated my installation of ubuntu 13.10 yesterday and todat too but before yesterday I can use my android as mass device and with adb. Now dmesg says that the kernel receive the usb connection but lsusb and adb can't see my android phone
[17:44] <mibofra> Kernel : 3.10.0-5-lowlatemcy but I can't see it with any version of linux now
[17:45] <penguin42> are you sure that's 3.10.0-5 ? My 13.10 box is on 3.11.0-4
[17:46] <mibofra> penguin42: I've installed the latest too but I like to use it
[17:46] <mibofra> Anyway I've tried it too
[17:47] <penguin42> mibofra: Perhaps if you pastebin the output of dmesg when you're plugging your phone in?
[17:48] <mibofra> penguin42: yes but it's occupated with apt my pc now and I'm on tty just a minute
[19:21] <mibofra> hi sorry but I had to go
[19:21] <mibofra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041445/ dmesg
[19:21] <mibofra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041448/ lsusb
[20:03] <penguin42> mibofra: What's unusual is that you normally see a 'New USB device found, idVendor=....' after the new high-speed USB device number message
[20:06] <mibofra> penguin42: it's fine but first is the same device and normally I see one dev/number one usb device. After I normally see the usb device under lsusb... Did you see an android phone :P ?
[20:07] <penguin42> hmm
[20:07] <penguin42> mibofra: Hang on, let me just boot my phone
[20:07] <mibofra> Ok
[20:08] <penguin42> they can be a bit odd, typically android phones have 2 or 3 USB-id's based on what stage of boot tey're at
[20:08] <penguin42> mibofra: Yeh, my ZTE blade is showing here (It's running Cyanogenmod 7)
[20:08] <mibofra> penguin42: ok but non 5 or 6
[20:09] <penguin42> non 5 or 6?
[20:09] <mibofra> *no
[20:10] <mibofra> I upgrade every day and before the 28-07-2013 (timezone utc+1) I can see my phone
[20:10] <penguin42> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041597/
[20:10] <mibofra> I've quantal since there are the repos online
[20:11] <penguin42> mibofra: Sorry which kernel were you running when it worked and which when it failed?
[20:12] <mibofra> penguin42, the same I'm running  now the 3.10.0-5-lowlatency
[20:13] <penguin42> mibofra: I'm confused because I don't see 3.10.0-5 in the current saucy; apt-cache search lowlat   shows me 3.11.0-2
[20:13] <mibofra> but after the fail I've tried with other ones and the latest too (the 3.11.0-4)
[20:14] <mibofra> penguin42, I know It isn't the latest but it used to work
[20:15] <penguin42> mibofra: OK so if you go back to earlier kernels does it work?
[20:15] <mibofra> maybe tomorrow with another upgrade everything works
[20:15] <mibofra> penguin42, no without any version of linux I've installed on the machine (3.5-6-7-8-9-10-11)
[20:16] <mibofra> *I've to remove some kernels, anyway all of them work
[20:16] <mibofra> but everyone fails to see my phone now
[20:17] <penguin42> does it work on another machine?
[20:17] <mibofra> my brother has got a win one so I've tried there and after on a live of 13.04
[20:18] <mibofra> the phone is detected
[20:18] <mibofra> P.S. I've to look on launchpad, maybe there is a reported bug
[20:19] <penguin42> mibofra: Report it anyway, it sounds pretty hardware specific
[20:19] <penguin42> mibofra: Are there any other USB devices your machine doesn't detect - is it possible that something in the machine got damaged?
[20:20] <mibofra> penguin42, It the first thing I've thought, but any other usb device is detected
[20:20] <mibofra> *it is
[20:20] <penguin42> mibofra: What about booting off a live CD perhaps - maybe an old one - what happens?
[20:21] <mibofra> penguin42, I've wrote about this, on the 13.04 live everything is ok and on saucy too before yesterday (I don't have to upgrade every day XD )
[20:22] <penguin42> mibofra: Definitely report it - put *all* this information in the bug report
[20:22] <mibofra> unfortunately  I don't have another android device to test
[20:22] <mibofra> ok
[20:23] <mibofra> penguin42, with project? hal, udev ...
[20:23] <penguin42> mibofra: I'd also try a 13.10 boot cd
[20:23] <penguin42> mibofra: Linux
[20:23] <mibofra> ok
[20:23] <penguin42> mibofra: If it's not showing up in lsusb something very odd is going on
[20:24] <mibofra> penguin42, yeah xD but no a bit...
[20:24] <mibofra> penguin42, maybe I reboot and I report the but with the latest kernel
[20:24] <penguin42> yeh definitely do it with the latest kernel
[20:27] <mibofra> penguin42: anyway if you would be sure I can give you the ssh access to debug it personally xD
[20:27] <penguin42> mibofra: Hey if that's all that's in your dmesg then I don't really know where to go
[20:28] <mibofra> Ok fine
[20:29] <penguin42> mibofra: Boot the latest kernel and postbin your whole dmesg
[20:30] <mibofra> only the interested part?
[20:30] <penguin42> no
[20:30] <penguin42> the whole dmesg
[20:30] <mibofra> Ah ok
[20:32] <mibofra> P.S. but if the problem interesting only me it wont be fixed, I think. Anyway I'm going to report it
[20:32] <penguin42> mibofra: Yeh but it's useful when you suddenly find there are 30 people reporting similar things
[20:33] <mibofra> XD I hope this xD
[20:34] <mibofra> Because it's so strange...
[20:35] <penguin42> mibofra: have you got another USB lead to check?
[20:35] <mibofra> I'm just writing it :D
[20:35] <mibofra> I've an android tablet...
[20:35] <mibofra> Let's check
[20:38] <mibofra> Toh it's detectd... so now I wonder me why gt-s5830i is not detected now
[20:39] <mibofra> Let's check the phone again...
[20:40] <mibofra> Yep the phone is seen by dmesg but no by lsusb
[20:41] <penguin42> ok, so lets see the dmesg after you did that
[20:41] <mibofra> So maybe I submit a bug in linux only for this device (not very usefull now but I'll try xD )
[20:43] <mibofra> A normal dmesg (just a second to start ff)
[20:45] <mibofra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041686/
[20:45] <mibofra> dmesg and after lsusb
[20:46] <penguin42> but that shows it in the lsusb?
[20:49] <mibofra> penguin42: yes it's the device named simply google
[20:49] <penguin42> mibofra: Right - so what's the problem?
[20:54] <mibofra> penguin42: did you received the last message? The problem is my phone is still not detected... strage it mounts cm 7.2
[20:54] <penguin42> no, I've not seen your dmesg fromw hen you plug in your phone
[20:55] <mibofra> penguin42: the first paste I've pasted xD
[20:55] <penguin42> mibofra: The *whole* dmesg
[20:55] <mibofra> penguin42: ok
[20:56] <penguin42> mibofra: Forget it; just reboot into the latest kernel, plug your phone in and then run ubuntu-bug linux    and once it's reported it  give us the bug number, that will have all the logs in
[20:57] <mibofra> Yeah I know so I'll do this
[20:59] <mibofra> penguin42: I'll do this in tty so you don't have to see al the xorg and co related things... ok?
[20:59] <penguin42> ?
[20:59] <johnjohn1011> 7 more weeks till release. getting close.
[20:59] <penguin42> mibofra: Just do it normally
[21:00] <mibofra> penguin42: so I login with lightdm in lxde and after I'll report the bug with the phone plugged in
[21:02]  * penguin42 disappears for an hour or so
[21:32] <mibofra> penguin42: bug #1218625 good luck xD
[21:37] <jakubo> hi, is there any way to deactivate opengl2.1 on intel 945 graphics? its slow as hell.
[21:40] <GiGaHuRtZ> Anyone running Kubuntu+1 since there aren't any specific +1 channels to kubuntu unfortunately? (there should be imho, especially since it is no longer an official ubuntu project, and its getting farther and farther away from ubuntu eith each release). I would think the Alpha2 would be a bit more stable just due to the fact they aren't messing with Mir.Xmir. And I already riun all the testing repos
[21:53] <penguin42> mibofra: You didn't describe the other kernels you tried or how it still works on old boot discs
[21:53] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: Yeh this is for all the +1's
[21:53] <mibofra> penguin42, ok I'm adding it
[21:54] <GiGaHuRtZ> penguin42: yeah.... but no one ever responds to kubuntu questions
[21:54] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: Hey there are lots of us running KDE on here
[21:56] <mibofra> penguin42, ok added
[21:58] <GiGaHuRtZ> penguin42: ok, so wanna answer my question
[21:59] <mibofra> penguin42: for tests or something else I leave the bouncer here so you can leave me messages (at every time)
[21:59] <GiGaHuRtZ> And no, not where someone install KDE as a second DE to unity on a ubuntu install. That throws in loits of other variables and packages not needed for a install
[21:59] <mibofra> Anyeay do you have any idea?
[22:08] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: Sorry, what was the actual question?
[22:10] <GiGaHuRtZ> Anyone running Kubuntu+1 since there aren't any specific +1 channels to kubuntu unfortunately? (there should be imho, especially since it is no longer an official ubuntu project, and its getting farther and farther away from ubuntu eith each release). I would think the Alpha2 would be a bit more stable just due to the fact they aren't messing with Mir.Xmir. And I already riun all the testing repos
[22:11] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: So which part of that is the question ? Yes, I'm running Kubuntu on +1
[22:11] <GiGaHuRtZ> I am looking for the general stability of kubuntu
[22:11] <GiGaHuRtZ> of 13.109 (obviously)
[22:11] <penguin42> seems fine for me here
[22:11] <GiGaHuRtZ> Ok Kubuntu? ot Ubuntu+KDE?
[22:12] <GiGaHuRtZ> I need to do an install on my new 1U server I am using for a desktop and android build box, and wanna stick with Kubuntu
[22:12] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: hmm, I'm not sure what I used as the install medium, but I don't have any of the unity stuff installed but I do have the kubuntu-desktop meta installed
[22:12] <GiGaHuRtZ> I got it for dirt cheap on geeks.com before they closed
[22:12] <GiGaHuRtZ> I will be using a usb stick
[22:13] <GiGaHuRtZ> penguin42: you dont haver mir installed either? (not that it would matter with kde, but it might bring /some/ sort issues)
[22:13] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: The thing I don't know is what would happen if I installed now; this machine was installed quite a while ago and regularly updated, I'm not sure if things will be different for a fresh install
[22:13] <GiGaHuRtZ> Well I will probably just use a daily image of kubuntu
[22:14] <GiGaHuRtZ> And ofc upgrade constantly, as I use lots of PPA's
[22:14] <GiGaHuRtZ> To make my life easier
[22:14]  * GiGaHuRtZ wonders how many ppa's have been upgraded for saucy
[22:15] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: One of the things I do is tend to just install the minimal server installs and then just throw on the kubuntu-desktop package
[22:15] <GiGaHuRtZ> yup
[22:16] <GiGaHuRtZ> I(d rather not though. As I want to make sure I have everything needed for a proper kubuntu desktop, bar none. But in the case of using a ubuntu cd (server) than installing kubuntu meta desktpop, not a bad idea
[22:16] <GiGaHuRtZ> So you arent working on removing a bunch of uneeded bloat
[22:16] <penguin42> yeh I mean that's the whole point of the  kubuntu-desktop meta package
[22:16] <GiGaHuRtZ> And tons of Gnome/GTK3 stuff
[22:16] <GiGaHuRtZ> ofc it is
[22:17] <GiGaHuRtZ> This isnt my first rodeo
[22:17] <penguin42> yeh but you never know when you've got a wild release that might throw you because it's angry
[22:17] <GiGaHuRtZ> I've been around since badger. I just find getting decent for ubuntu to be like pulling teeth. That's why I came here, hoping the bar for entry might weed some of that out
[22:18] <GiGaHuRtZ> penguin42: right, hence why I am asking for real world experience
[22:18] <GiGaHuRtZ> I mean ya I am installing on a 1U server, but its gonna be used a desktop and android build box. Nothing extremely critical and I fix most issues
[22:18] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: Yeh the KDE side is fine, if anything saucy feels a lot faster
[22:19] <GiGaHuRtZ> Besides the recent one I had on Kubuntu. I followed one of those guides for trying to Deepin DE, BAD idea
[22:19] <k1l> the +1 are quite stable because the really bad updates get automatic testing in -proposed. but still some can slip through. but i would not recommend that for server
[22:19] <GiGaHuRtZ> The repo they tell you to use should not be used.
[22:19] <k1l> and "the bloat" doesnt slow your system down if you just use kubuntu-desktop
[22:19] <GiGaHuRtZ> Itr changes your lsb_release, and ebven once you fix that, it totally confuses the system in other places
[22:19] <penguin42> mibofra: Your logs have lots of odd moans from systemd
[22:20] <k1l> and running a +1 just because one has problems with the irc support is not really the way to go :/
[22:20] <GiGaHuRtZ> k1l: im talking about bloat as if yoyu install ubuntu desktop then install lkubuntu desktop. Because you will have all the unity stuff still, and all the apps.
[22:20] <GiGaHuRtZ> That are really just duplicates of Qt centric apps
[22:20] <penguin42> GiGaHuRtZ: Yeh but the trick then is to remove one of the really low level libraries and watch the rest disappear
[22:20] <k1l> GiGaHuRtZ: and where comes the bloat in if you dont boot unity?
[22:20] <GiGaHuRtZ> k1l: all the apps?
[22:21] <GiGaHuRtZ> That show up in KDE even though they are meant for unitry/gtk3
[22:21] <k1l> GiGaHuRtZ: all the apps dont get loaded if not needed. your kubuntu doesnt load nautilus (for example) just because ubuntu-dekstop is installed, too
[22:21] <mibofra> penguin42: omg but I didn't touch anything or changed settings of systemd or changed the logs
[22:21] <k1l> GiGaHuRtZ: so think about that myth you rely on.
[22:22] <mibofra> penguin42: so systemd is buggy too?
[22:22] <mibofra> (I can try with monit xD)
[22:22] <penguin42> mibofra: Not sure, but it's the only weird thing I can see in the logs other than the USB stuff itself
[22:23] <mibofra> I thimk was only a bit udev thus the bug if hal and the socket
[22:24] <mibofra> penguin42: but I don't think a sudo apt-get install --reinstall systemd-services fix it
[22:24] <penguin42> mibofra: Hey I don't know why it's doing that but something odd is going on
[22:24] <mibofra> So this morning I've to setup monit to have a human log...
[22:25] <mibofra> penguin42: no I know but I've simply updated xD
[22:25] <mibofra> penguin42: maybe a fresh install is fine?
[22:26] <penguin42> mibofra: I'd say it's worth it
[22:26] <mibofra> *I've thought about this since a bit
[22:26] <mibofra> penguin42: uhm
[22:32] <mibofra> penguin42: ok
[22:33] <mibofra> Anyway after 3-4 days I always find the solution of my problems so I hope it's this the case too.
[22:33] <mibofra> Good night to all the channel :)
[22:34] <mibofra> And good work developers :)
[22:42] <jakubo> anyone using intel 945?
[22:43] <wilee-nilee> jakubo The channel is state the issue for help format
[22:47] <penguin42> wilee-nilee: TBF I think he did way up there - he was having problems with opengl2.1 being slow on it and wondered if it could be disabled
[22:49] <wilee-nilee> ah before I logged in