=== bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [00:41] Good evening folks. [00:48] hey [03:27] hey [12:53] Hiyas all [14:35] Is anyone working on tiling within ubuntu next? If I could get the ubuntu dock + launcher, with a reasonable tiling setup for the wm, I'd be all over that. [15:43] well, since a few weeks logging into unity gives me a black screen only [15:43] xfce works [15:43] same happens with other gtk bases wm [15:44] any idea how to get rid of that issue ? i already tried another user account === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [16:58] saludos [16:58] buen dia [16:58] hello [16:58] help [17:13] ariel__, ask your question [17:14] no speack english [17:15] i am from colombia [17:15] hi ariel [17:16] I have a bug that will not let me open the software center [17:16] ubuntu 13.10 [17:17] I use google translator [17:19] paulo_gomes, is there an #ubuntu+1-es chat ? [17:19] fine thanks [17:19] nope :( [17:20] help [17:20] software-center no open [17:21] ariel__: you could try to do an update using apt-get and see if the problem still happens after the update [17:21] ariel__, open konsole , sudo apt-get ipdate [17:21] err update [17:22] BluesKaj: dont know :( [17:22] paulo_gomes, it doesn't exist [17:22] ok [17:22] sad [17:22] already checke [17:23] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041091/ [17:25] ariel i also have that error, but my software center works [17:26] ariel__: run the software center from command line and see if it shows any error [17:26] no works [17:27] wonder if he ran the update command first tho [17:27] ariel__ , 1) , sudo apt-get update , 2) , sudo apt-get upgrade [17:27] yes it will stick in the pastebin [17:29] 3) sudo dpkg --configure -a [17:43] Hi, I've upgrated my installation of ubuntu 13.10 yesterday and todat too but before yesterday I can use my android as mass device and with adb. Now dmesg says that the kernel receive the usb connection but lsusb and adb can't see my android phone [17:44] Kernel : 3.10.0-5-lowlatemcy but I can't see it with any version of linux now [17:45] are you sure that's 3.10.0-5 ? My 13.10 box is on 3.11.0-4 [17:46] penguin42: I've installed the latest too but I like to use it [17:46] Anyway I've tried it too [17:47] mibofra: Perhaps if you pastebin the output of dmesg when you're plugging your phone in? [17:48] penguin42: yes but it's occupated with apt my pc now and I'm on tty just a minute [19:21] hi sorry but I had to go [19:21] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041445/ dmesg [19:21] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041448/ lsusb [20:03] mibofra: What's unusual is that you normally see a 'New USB device found, idVendor=....' after the new high-speed USB device number message [20:06] penguin42: it's fine but first is the same device and normally I see one dev/number one usb device. After I normally see the usb device under lsusb... Did you see an android phone :P ? [20:07] hmm [20:07] mibofra: Hang on, let me just boot my phone [20:07] Ok [20:08] they can be a bit odd, typically android phones have 2 or 3 USB-id's based on what stage of boot tey're at [20:08] mibofra: Yeh, my ZTE blade is showing here (It's running Cyanogenmod 7) [20:08] penguin42: ok but non 5 or 6 [20:09] non 5 or 6? [20:09] *no [20:10] I upgrade every day and before the 28-07-2013 (timezone utc+1) I can see my phone [20:10] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041597/ [20:10] I've quantal since there are the repos online [20:11] mibofra: Sorry which kernel were you running when it worked and which when it failed? [20:12] penguin42, the same I'm running now the 3.10.0-5-lowlatency [20:13] mibofra: I'm confused because I don't see 3.10.0-5 in the current saucy; apt-cache search lowlat shows me 3.11.0-2 [20:13] but after the fail I've tried with other ones and the latest too (the 3.11.0-4) [20:14] penguin42, I know It isn't the latest but it used to work [20:15] mibofra: OK so if you go back to earlier kernels does it work? [20:15] maybe tomorrow with another upgrade everything works [20:15] penguin42, no without any version of linux I've installed on the machine (3.5-6-7-8-9-10-11) [20:16] *I've to remove some kernels, anyway all of them work [20:16] but everyone fails to see my phone now [20:17] does it work on another machine? [20:17] my brother has got a win one so I've tried there and after on a live of 13.04 [20:18] the phone is detected [20:18] P.S. I've to look on launchpad, maybe there is a reported bug [20:19] mibofra: Report it anyway, it sounds pretty hardware specific [20:19] mibofra: Are there any other USB devices your machine doesn't detect - is it possible that something in the machine got damaged? [20:20] penguin42, It the first thing I've thought, but any other usb device is detected [20:20] *it is [20:20] mibofra: What about booting off a live CD perhaps - maybe an old one - what happens? [20:21] penguin42, I've wrote about this, on the 13.04 live everything is ok and on saucy too before yesterday (I don't have to upgrade every day XD ) [20:22] mibofra: Definitely report it - put *all* this information in the bug report [20:22] unfortunately I don't have another android device to test [20:22] ok [20:23] penguin42, with project? hal, udev ... [20:23] mibofra: I'd also try a 13.10 boot cd [20:23] mibofra: Linux [20:23] ok [20:23] mibofra: If it's not showing up in lsusb something very odd is going on [20:24] penguin42, yeah xD but no a bit... [20:24] penguin42, maybe I reboot and I report the but with the latest kernel [20:24] yeh definitely do it with the latest kernel [20:27] penguin42: anyway if you would be sure I can give you the ssh access to debug it personally xD [20:27] mibofra: Hey if that's all that's in your dmesg then I don't really know where to go [20:28] Ok fine [20:29] mibofra: Boot the latest kernel and postbin your whole dmesg [20:30] only the interested part? [20:30] no [20:30] the whole dmesg [20:30] Ah ok [20:32] P.S. but if the problem interesting only me it wont be fixed, I think. Anyway I'm going to report it [20:32] mibofra: Yeh but it's useful when you suddenly find there are 30 people reporting similar things [20:33] XD I hope this xD [20:34] Because it's so strange... [20:35] mibofra: have you got another USB lead to check? [20:35] I'm just writing it :D [20:35] I've an android tablet... [20:35] Let's check [20:38] Toh it's detectd... so now I wonder me why gt-s5830i is not detected now [20:39] Let's check the phone again... [20:40] Yep the phone is seen by dmesg but no by lsusb [20:41] ok, so lets see the dmesg after you did that [20:41] So maybe I submit a bug in linux only for this device (not very usefull now but I'll try xD ) [20:43] A normal dmesg (just a second to start ff) [20:45] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041686/ [20:45] dmesg and after lsusb [20:46] but that shows it in the lsusb? [20:49] penguin42: yes it's the device named simply google [20:49] mibofra: Right - so what's the problem? [20:54] penguin42: did you received the last message? The problem is my phone is still not detected... strage it mounts cm 7.2 [20:54] no, I've not seen your dmesg fromw hen you plug in your phone [20:55] penguin42: the first paste I've pasted xD [20:55] mibofra: The *whole* dmesg [20:55] penguin42: ok [20:56] mibofra: Forget it; just reboot into the latest kernel, plug your phone in and then run ubuntu-bug linux and once it's reported it give us the bug number, that will have all the logs in [20:57] Yeah I know so I'll do this [20:59] penguin42: I'll do this in tty so you don't have to see al the xorg and co related things... ok? [20:59] ? [20:59] 7 more weeks till release. getting close. [20:59] mibofra: Just do it normally [21:00] penguin42: so I login with lightdm in lxde and after I'll report the bug with the phone plugged in [21:02] * penguin42 disappears for an hour or so [21:32] penguin42: bug #1218625 good luck xD [21:32] bug 1218625 in linux (Ubuntu) "samsung galaxy ace i (gt-s5830i) not plus detected after upgrade." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1218625 [21:37] hi, is there any way to deactivate opengl2.1 on intel 945 graphics? its slow as hell. [21:40] Anyone running Kubuntu+1 since there aren't any specific +1 channels to kubuntu unfortunately? (there should be imho, especially since it is no longer an official ubuntu project, and its getting farther and farther away from ubuntu eith each release). I would think the Alpha2 would be a bit more stable just due to the fact they aren't messing with Mir.Xmir. And I already riun all the testing repos [21:53] mibofra: You didn't describe the other kernels you tried or how it still works on old boot discs [21:53] GiGaHuRtZ: Yeh this is for all the +1's [21:53] penguin42, ok I'm adding it [21:54] penguin42: yeah.... but no one ever responds to kubuntu questions [21:54] GiGaHuRtZ: Hey there are lots of us running KDE on here [21:56] penguin42, ok added [21:58] penguin42: ok, so wanna answer my question [21:59] penguin42: for tests or something else I leave the bouncer here so you can leave me messages (at every time) [21:59] And no, not where someone install KDE as a second DE to unity on a ubuntu install. That throws in loits of other variables and packages not needed for a install [21:59] Anyeay do you have any idea? [22:08] GiGaHuRtZ: Sorry, what was the actual question? [22:10] Anyone running Kubuntu+1 since there aren't any specific +1 channels to kubuntu unfortunately? (there should be imho, especially since it is no longer an official ubuntu project, and its getting farther and farther away from ubuntu eith each release). I would think the Alpha2 would be a bit more stable just due to the fact they aren't messing with Mir.Xmir. And I already riun all the testing repos [22:11] GiGaHuRtZ: So which part of that is the question ? Yes, I'm running Kubuntu on +1 [22:11] I am looking for the general stability of kubuntu [22:11] of 13.109 (obviously) [22:11] seems fine for me here [22:11] Ok Kubuntu? ot Ubuntu+KDE? [22:12] I need to do an install on my new 1U server I am using for a desktop and android build box, and wanna stick with Kubuntu [22:12] GiGaHuRtZ: hmm, I'm not sure what I used as the install medium, but I don't have any of the unity stuff installed but I do have the kubuntu-desktop meta installed [22:12] I got it for dirt cheap on geeks.com before they closed [22:12] I will be using a usb stick [22:13] penguin42: you dont haver mir installed either? (not that it would matter with kde, but it might bring /some/ sort issues) [22:13] GiGaHuRtZ: The thing I don't know is what would happen if I installed now; this machine was installed quite a while ago and regularly updated, I'm not sure if things will be different for a fresh install [22:13] Well I will probably just use a daily image of kubuntu [22:14] And ofc upgrade constantly, as I use lots of PPA's [22:14] To make my life easier [22:14] * GiGaHuRtZ wonders how many ppa's have been upgraded for saucy [22:15] GiGaHuRtZ: One of the things I do is tend to just install the minimal server installs and then just throw on the kubuntu-desktop package [22:15] yup [22:16] I(d rather not though. As I want to make sure I have everything needed for a proper kubuntu desktop, bar none. But in the case of using a ubuntu cd (server) than installing kubuntu meta desktpop, not a bad idea [22:16] So you arent working on removing a bunch of uneeded bloat [22:16] yeh I mean that's the whole point of the kubuntu-desktop meta package [22:16] And tons of Gnome/GTK3 stuff [22:16] ofc it is [22:17] This isnt my first rodeo [22:17] yeh but you never know when you've got a wild release that might throw you because it's angry [22:17] I've been around since badger. I just find getting decent for ubuntu to be like pulling teeth. That's why I came here, hoping the bar for entry might weed some of that out [22:18] penguin42: right, hence why I am asking for real world experience [22:18] I mean ya I am installing on a 1U server, but its gonna be used a desktop and android build box. Nothing extremely critical and I fix most issues [22:18] GiGaHuRtZ: Yeh the KDE side is fine, if anything saucy feels a lot faster [22:19] Besides the recent one I had on Kubuntu. I followed one of those guides for trying to Deepin DE, BAD idea [22:19] the +1 are quite stable because the really bad updates get automatic testing in -proposed. but still some can slip through. but i would not recommend that for server [22:19] The repo they tell you to use should not be used. [22:19] and "the bloat" doesnt slow your system down if you just use kubuntu-desktop [22:19] Itr changes your lsb_release, and ebven once you fix that, it totally confuses the system in other places [22:19] mibofra: Your logs have lots of odd moans from systemd [22:20] and running a +1 just because one has problems with the irc support is not really the way to go :/ [22:20] k1l: im talking about bloat as if yoyu install ubuntu desktop then install lkubuntu desktop. Because you will have all the unity stuff still, and all the apps. [22:20] That are really just duplicates of Qt centric apps [22:20] GiGaHuRtZ: Yeh but the trick then is to remove one of the really low level libraries and watch the rest disappear [22:20] GiGaHuRtZ: and where comes the bloat in if you dont boot unity? [22:20] k1l: all the apps? [22:21] That show up in KDE even though they are meant for unitry/gtk3 [22:21] GiGaHuRtZ: all the apps dont get loaded if not needed. your kubuntu doesnt load nautilus (for example) just because ubuntu-dekstop is installed, too [22:21] penguin42: omg but I didn't touch anything or changed settings of systemd or changed the logs [22:21] GiGaHuRtZ: so think about that myth you rely on. [22:22] penguin42: so systemd is buggy too? [22:22] (I can try with monit xD) [22:22] mibofra: Not sure, but it's the only weird thing I can see in the logs other than the USB stuff itself [22:23] I thimk was only a bit udev thus the bug if hal and the socket [22:24] penguin42: but I don't think a sudo apt-get install --reinstall systemd-services fix it [22:24] mibofra: Hey I don't know why it's doing that but something odd is going on [22:24] So this morning I've to setup monit to have a human log... [22:25] penguin42: no I know but I've simply updated xD [22:25] penguin42: maybe a fresh install is fine? [22:26] mibofra: I'd say it's worth it [22:26] *I've thought about this since a bit [22:26] penguin42: uhm [22:32] penguin42: ok [22:33] Anyway after 3-4 days I always find the solution of my problems so I hope it's this the case too. [22:33] Good night to all the channel :) [22:34] And good work developers :) [22:42] anyone using intel 945? [22:43] jakubo The channel is state the issue for help format [22:47] wilee-nilee: TBF I think he did way up there - he was having problems with opengl2.1 being slow on it and wondered if it could be disabled [22:49] ah before I logged in