[01:41] <cwayne> mhall119, ping
[01:53] <mhall119> om26er_: because the click packages don't have the full path to the icon in the Icon field of the .desktop file
[01:53] <mhall119> cwayne: pong
[01:54] <om26er_> mhall119, can we remove those hollow entries from dash ?
[01:55] <cwayne> mhall119, is the best way to open a link in the browser window doing something like Qt.openUrlExternally(url) ?
[01:56] <mhall119> om26er_: we can fix the .click packages, I'm not sure who is maintaining them though, they aren't in the app store
[01:56] <mhall119> cwayne: yes but it doesn't work
[01:57] <mhall119> cwayne: longer answer is that it will work, probably soon, and it's the correct way of doing it, but requires platform work to make it work
[01:57] <mhall119> specifically it doesn't work on Touch, it works on the desktop though
[01:59] <cwayne> mhall119, yeah, i just saw it work on the desktop,was just wondering about how to do it on touch.. thanks for the info!
[02:01] <mhall119> np
[02:03] <mhall119> cwayne: alternately, you can use Ubuntu.Components.Extras.Browser to embed the webbrowser-app in your app
[02:09] <cwayne> mhall119, ah, perfect, thanks
[09:46] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[09:54] <WebbyIT> Hi dpm :)
[09:55] <dpm> ciao PaoloRotolo and WebbyIT :)
[09:55] <PaoloRotolo> Ciao dpm :)
[09:56] <WebbyIT> dpm, I have some problems with calculator: it doesn't save calc or save double  or.. a lots of trouble with db, and also with old branch
[09:56] <WebbyIT> dpm, can you verify if is a my problem?
[09:56] <WebbyIT> dpm, do a calc, tear off, do another calc, tear off, close and reopen
[09:57] <dpm> WebbyIT, with trunk?
[09:57] <WebbyIT> dpm, and also with old revisions
[10:02] <dpm> WebbyIT, yeah, I can see an issue, the first calculation is saved twice in my case, after following the steps you mentioned
[10:02] <dpm> Scrolling from the top, I see:
[10:02] <dpm> - Calculation 1
[10:02] <dpm> - Calculation 2
[10:02] <dpm> - Calculation 1
[10:03] <WebbyIT> dpm, there were some changes to SDK? Because we didn't touch code that is memory related
[10:04] <dpm> WebbyIT, I don't know. it'd be good to find out if there is a revision where the problem cannot be reproduced, or if the autopilot tests started failing at some point
[10:05] <WebbyIT> dpm, ok, I'm going to investigate
[10:05] <dpm> WebbyIT, ok, cool, I'd suggest having a chat with Gustavo when he's up later on, unfortunately today with UDS I don't have much time :(
[10:06] <WebbyIT> dpm, yeah sure
[10:06] <dpm> thanks WebbyIT :)
[10:23] <WebbyIT> dpm, revision 140 -> I'm going to investigate it
[10:24] <WebbyIT> dpm, if you join #ubuntu-calc-app I'll write everything to have a log, without ping you ;)
[10:49] <manornk> Hi guys, i want to create blogging client like blogilo, just web version, any suggestions on how?
[10:53] <manornk> any one?
[10:53] <smartboyhw> popey, so, any bugs you think will be easy to fix?
[10:53] <smartboyhw> (For the apps ofc)
[10:55] <popey> smartboyhw: I'd certainly take a look at some of the clock bugs. also, dropping letters has a few straightforward ones.
[10:55] <smartboyhw> popey, sure
[10:59] <dpm> argh, too late, but we've also got https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rssreader-app/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize
[11:01] <dpm> smartboyhw, you can also have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rssreader-app/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize
[11:01] <dpm> you can even start there without having to wait for the hack days to start :)
[11:18] <GuidoPallemans> mhall119: or dpm who was it that had the meeting about the ubuntu extras yesterday? maybe a settings database should also be added to that https://developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/How-to_create_a_persistent_settings_database_in_Qt_Quick_(QML) but perhaps that is going to be integrated later?
[11:19] <smartboyhw> dpm, hmm, weird Bug 1215542 the second part worked, first part didn't
[11:19] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1215542 in Ubuntu RSS Feed Reader App "[RSS Reader] Text on Add feeds screen" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1215542
[11:20] <smartboyhw> Where are the page headers stored?
[11:20] <dpm> hi GuidoPallemans, it was me. There's been some talk of a settings API, and it's on the radar, but I don't know where it is on the schedule other than "after 13.10". The link could be interesting, would you mind adding it to the session's notes?
[11:21] <smartboyhw> Wait, I might have found it
[11:21] <dpm> smartboyhw, let me have a look
[11:22] <dpm> ok, cool :)
[11:24] <GuidoPallemans> dpm ill add it, as a temporary solution
[11:24] <smartboyhw> dpm, no
[11:24] <smartboyhw> Still can't find it
[11:24] <GuidoPallemans> I used it in that reddit client i made back in january
[11:25] <smartboyhw> dpm, fonud it
[11:25] <dpm> nice
[11:26] <smartboyhw> dpm, now I basically changed every "Append feed" to "Add feeds" lol
[11:29] <smartboyhw> dpm, https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/ubuntu-rssreader-app/fix-lp-1215542/+merge/182875
[11:31] <smartboyhw> ^ got sometime to review?;P
[11:34] <dpm> smartboyhw, cool, done and added a comment :)
[11:36] <smartboyhw> dpm, ah I get it
[11:37] <smartboyhw> No wait, still don't:P
[11:37] <dpm> basically, I noticed that you changed the text on a button as well, not only the header, and I wasn't sure if that change is needed
[11:38] <dpm> you can run the app on your desktop to test
[11:38] <dpm> and see where this button is used
[11:38] <dpm> and if the text needs updating
[11:38] <smartboyhw> dpm, the question is where, yay
[11:38] <smartboyhw> Can't get to see it
[11:38] <dpm> perhaps it's dead code and it's not used?
[11:40] <smartboyhw> dpm, no it seems
[11:40] <smartboyhw> Just can't find it
[11:41] <smartboyhw> Sorry:(
[11:42] <smartboyhw> Is that a big problem though?
[11:45] <dpm> woho, just closed two bitesize bugs fixed by PaoloRotolo! \o/
[11:46] <PaoloRotolo> dpm, thanks you :D
[11:46] <dpm> smartboyhw, if we don't know where it's used, the safest thing might be not to change it. But it'd be good if we could find out.
[11:48] <PaoloRotolo> Must go now. See you later :)
[11:48] <dpm> hi om26er, do you know why this MP is failing the tests? -> https://code.launchpad.net/~martin-borho/ubuntu-weather-app/FixedTestsNewScrolling/+merge/182852
[11:49] <om26er> dpm, something wrong with that environment it seems
[11:49] <om26er> ERROR:pbuilderjenkins:Specified chroot environment /var/cache/pbuilder/raring-amd64.tgz does not exist
[11:50] <om26er> lets retry
[11:54] <dinkometalac> who deleted raring environment
[11:54] <dinkometalac> hahahaha
[12:05] <smartboyhw> dpm, pushed the version without the change
[12:20] <smartboyhw> dpm, as I said, the version without the change is there
[12:27] <dpm> smartboyhw, sorry, I'm doing several other things at the same time, I'll see if I can go back to it later, or perhaps others on the channel can review your new MP in the meantime
[12:27] <smartboyhw> dpm, sure
[13:14] <clepto1995> nik90, ping
[13:17] <WebbyIT> dpm, I know that you are busy, but boiko is offline!
[13:17] <WebbyIT> dpm, I fixed (hope to have) the save of calcs, if you have five minutes, shall you please check?
[13:17] <WebbyIT> https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calculator-app/fix-database/+merge/182896
[13:25] <dpm> WebbyIT, thanks! Tested it to work, but added a request with acomment
[13:27] <WebbyIT> dpm, sure
[13:28] <clepto1995> randomcpp, ping
[13:28] <randomcpp> clepto1995, pong
[13:28] <om26er> tmoenicke, btw there is no bug tracking enabled for ubuntu-keyboard
[13:28] <om26er> Mirv, hey could you ? ^
[13:28] <om26er> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard
[13:28] <clepto1995> randomcpp, what should I add to importPaths in qmlproject so that qtcreator load my plugin?
[13:29] <tmoenicke> om26er: that has changed iirc, letme check
[13:29] <clepto1995> randomcpp, https://github.com/Clepto/cnotes-ubuntu-touch take look the dir structure
[13:29] <om26er> tmoenicke, seem not https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard
[13:30] <randomcpp> clepto1995, ./dirParserPlugin
[13:30] <randomcpp> but it won't open the c++ sources
[13:30] <clepto1995> file:///media/Files/UbuntuTouchDevelopment/CNotes/CNotes.qml:9 module "DirParser" plugin "dirparserplugin" not found
[13:30] <randomcpp> just read the plugin
[13:30] <clepto1995> randomcpp, what do you mean?
[13:30] <om26er> tmoenicke, anyways I actually wanted to add this bug 1201988 to ubuntu-keyboard
[13:30] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1201988 in Ubuntu UX "[OSK]holding the back button should remove the text quickly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1201988
[13:30] <om26er> tmoenicke, is that planned ?
[13:30] <mhall119> GuidoPallemans: re: settings, I think the plan is to make it easy for apps to use GSettings
[13:31] <randomcpp> .qmlproject doesn't manage c++ source, just qml and js
[13:31] <GuidoPallemans> oh ok
[13:31] <clepto1995> randomcpp, how you do it?
[13:31] <clepto1995> mhall119, when GSettings will be ready?
[13:31] <randomcpp> clepto1995, you use qmake projects or cmake projects
[13:32] <clepto1995> randomcpp, I use qmake... What I should change?
[13:32] <om26er> nik90_, you might know, where are we with the alarm api, is that happening soon ?
[13:32] <randomcpp> clepto1995, what's the name of the compiled plugin binary?
[13:32] <tmoenicke> om26er: yes, it is probably broken
[13:33] <clepto1995> randomcpp, wait a minute
[13:33] <mhall119> clepto1995: I'll have to check, I thought it already was
[13:34] <clepto1995> randomcpp, nevermind
[13:34] <mhall119> seb128: does system-settings use GSettings via C++ or QML?
[13:34] <clepto1995> randomcpp, I cleaned before and needed to recompile... silly me
[13:34] <seb128> mhall119, qml
[13:34] <randomcpp> lol
[13:34] <seb128> mhall119, but I used it through qt/c++ in dialer-app/messaging-app
[13:34] <seb128> mhall119, why?
[13:36] <WebbyIT> dpm done, hope to be clear
[13:38] <Mirv> om26er: ok
[13:38] <Mirv> om26er: done
[13:39] <om26er> Mirv, cool, thanks
[13:40] <mhall119> seb128: GuidoPallemans was asking about how to store app settings
[13:44] <seb128> mhall119, we don't have a story for app settings atm I think :/
[13:44] <seb128> mhall119, better for them to store locally in sqlite
[13:44] <seb128> I'm not sure gsettings in its current form is going to work for confined apps
[14:34] <boiko> om26er: hi, could you please check what is going on with this job: http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests/83/console
[14:37] <om26er> boiko, i pinged fginther about that, he's looking
[14:37] <om26er> something broken with that VM
[14:37] <boiko> om26er: thanks!
[14:37] <boiko> WebbyIT: ^
[14:40] <oSoMoN> om26er: ping
[14:40] <om26er> oSoMoN, pong
[14:40] <oSoMoN> om26er: hey Omer, bfiller just mentioned that there might be potential problems in using the standard UITK emulators, can you confirm?
[14:41] <om26er> oSoMoN, I have not seen that, any pointeres or logs would help
[14:42] <oSoMoN> om26er: I’m not aware of any problems either, but Bill said that he recalled a conversation with you about potential problems, so I thought I’d ask
[14:42] <oSoMoN> om26er: so using the UITK emulators is still the recommended way of writing autopilot tests, right?
[14:42] <wellsb> dholbach: What's the process for creating a .click package for compiled apps?
[14:43] <om26er> oSoMoN, hmm I don't recall and nothing in mind says I saw any problem
[14:43] <oSoMoN> om26er: cool, thanks!
[14:46] <dholbach> wellsb, that's what we're going to discuss at UDS today - there's no process yet
[15:14] <om26er> boiko, the VM have been fixed. francis triggered a rebuild for the failed jobs
[15:19] <cwayne> hey guys, got a random QML question if anyone's around
[15:20] <om26er> boiko, do you guys need any help with autopilot testing for the dialer, messaging apps ?
[15:21] <clepto1995> cwayne, shoot
[15:21] <cwayne> clepto1995, so i've got all this stuff that's blank until an XHR is done, and then set once i get the data
[15:22] <cwayne> the problem is, it seems to be anchoring to when it's blank (like when there's no image), so then when the image source is set, the other stuff that's anchored below it doesn't move, and looks all jumbled
[15:23] <clepto1995> cwayne, can i try it?
[15:24] <cwayne> clepto1995, sure, let me push up a branch
[15:25] <cwayne> clepto1995,  lp:~cwayne18/+junk/uwoot
[15:26] <cwayne> clepto1995, this is my first foray into QML, so I may be doing something wicked stupid here :)
[15:26] <clepto1995> cwayne, just give me a minute
[15:27] <cwayne> sure thing, no rush :)
[15:30] <clepto1995> cwayne, ok, I got all of errors about layout
[15:31] <clepto1995> cwayne, but first of all i get WootTab.qml:29: ReferenceError: woot is not defined
[15:31] <clepto1995> and again the same in another line like 5-6 times
[15:31] <clepto1995> you may want to solve that firsrt
[15:34] <clepto1995> cwayne, you don't use anchors correctly, thats why its messed up
[15:34] <clepto1995> I got the same problem all the time...
[15:34] <cwayne> oh, i was afraid i was doing something fundamentally wrong :/
[15:35] <clepto1995> cwayne, can you fix the 'woot not defined' thing so the errors will narrow down to layouts related?
[15:35] <cwayne> clepto1995, yep, about to push now
[15:35] <clepto1995> ok
[15:36] <cwayne> clepto1995, pushed
[15:36] <clepto1995> a lot better
[15:37] <cwayne> so it complains that i cant set horizontalCenter in a row, but it seems to work if i do set it..
[15:37] <clepto1995> cwayne, first of all
[15:38] <clepto1995> when you want to set width and height of an element to its parent's width and height
[15:38] <clepto1995> use anchors.fill: parent
[15:38] <clepto1995> its cleaner in the eye and code..
[15:38] <cwayne> done
[15:39] <cwayne> ok, so i cleaned some stuff up and un-commented some stuff (not sure why it had been commented) and now it seems to work
[15:39] <clepto1995> cwayne, oh, good :)
[15:39] <cwayne> but if there's something i'm doing fundamentally wrong, i'd like to learn how to do it right :)
[15:40] <cwayne> clepto1995, just pushed if you'd like to take a look
[15:40] <clepto1995> cwayne, ok wait
[15:41] <clepto1995> isn't running
[15:41] <clepto1995> cwayne, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6040728/
[15:41] <clepto1995> oh wait
[15:41] <clepto1995> I'm not sure its your fault :)
[15:42] <clepto1995> ok my fault
[15:43] <clepto1995> cwayne, i still get one error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6040739/
[15:43] <clepto1995> but its better
[15:43] <cwayne> yeah, but if i take that out, it's not centered
[15:44] <clepto1995> cwayne, when you need to use a lot of anchors in one element like line 41-44 make it like this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6040745/
[15:45] <clepto1995> cwayne, take what out?
[15:45] <cwayne> clepto1995, yeah, there's a lot of cleanup i need to do -- it's currently the way it is just cus i was adding them one at a time
[15:45] <cwayne> clepto1995, if i take out the anchors.horizontalCenter to get rid of those errors
[15:48] <clepto1995> cwayne, an anchor property in the code gives the error, if you want to fix it you need to test things... comment/uncomment and stuff
[15:48] <clepto1995> I can't pin point it
[15:48] <cwayne> right
[15:48] <cwayne> well, regardless of the error, it does center it anyway :)
[15:49] <cwayne> i might not need the row anyway actually
[15:50] <cwayne> yep, sure don't
[15:50] <cwayne> pushed, now with 100% fewer errors
[15:58] <cwayne> clepto1995, thank you for taking a look, btw :)
[15:58] <clepto1995> cwayne, no problem :)
[15:59] <cwayne> clepto1995, just added a bunch more tabs if you felt like taking a look :P
[16:01] <clepto1995> cwayne, I can't right now, I need to go somewhere
[16:02] <dpm> nik90_, nik90, if you're around and want to join the UDS Clock design session -> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/15a4b754fe5395e85719a3399343791ea2fb6741
[16:14] <om26er> gusch, ping
[16:16] <om26er> gusch, in the gallery app I am not able to open a photo, do you know what's wrong with that? i.e. I can open gallery, I can change tabs but tapping on a photo does not open it. even I can tap and hold over a photo and select mode comes in..
[16:19] <gusch> om26er: https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1218237
[16:19] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1218237 in share-app (Ubuntu) "Share-app test failures in mako and maguro smoke: module "Friends" is not installed" [Undecided,New]
[16:20] <om26er> gusch, how does that related to gallery ?
[16:21] <gusch> om26er: opening the photo viewer loads the share component, and loading that one is broken
[16:21] <om26er> gusch, aha ok
[16:35] <rbnswartz> I installed the ubuntu sdk but I don't have ubuntu as one of the sections under new project any thoughts anyone?
[16:37] <timp> who works on notes-app?
[16:39] <boiko> om26er: so, we wrote basic tests for the apps, but the truth is that there is not much we can test without mocking at least some layers of the apps :/
[16:40] <om26er> boiko, ok, well some of the network stuff will get tested on real devices as well. like the connected tests previously for phone-app are being ported over to the new apps
[16:54] <om26er> oSoMoN, before I start looking, any guesses on why 80% of the tests failed for the webbrowser ? http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3825/
[16:55] <oSoMoN> om26er: I’m on it
[16:55] <oSoMoN> om26er: I have a MR ready already, waiting for CI to run to confirm that it actually fixes the failures
[16:55] <om26er> oSoMoN, did something change in the SDK ?
[16:56] <oSoMoN> om26er: that’s my guess, although I haven’t been able to identify what exactly
[16:57] <om26er> there was a huge changelog of ubuntu-ui-toolkit that may have broken something, It did break unity8 so the change was reverted
[16:58] <oSoMoN> om26er: probably not this one, since it was reverted…
[16:59] <om26er> oSoMoN, only a specific commit was reverted, I meant
[17:00] <timp> when were those tests run?
[17:01] <oSoMoN> timp: this morning
[17:01] <timp> oSoMoN: so before your fix of the typos in Panel
[17:02] <timp> oSoMoN: when were the previous tests executed successfully?
[17:02] <timp> to have an interval of when something went wrong
[17:02] <timp> there was a change in triggering of toolbar buttons recently http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/revision/707
[17:02] <oSoMoN> timp: I think yesterday’s run were successful
[17:03] <timp> hmm there were no recent changes in panel-related code. But I'm not sure when new uitk packages are created
[17:05] <WebbyIT> popey, with USD no meeting, right?
[17:05] <popey> WebbyIT: sorry, was busy.. yes, we are meeting
[17:05] <WebbyIT> popey, ok :)
[17:06] <popey> in -meeting
[17:13] <cwayne> is wrapMode in Label not working for anyone else?
[17:24] <timp> cwayne: I haven't checked, but Label is simply this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6041093/
[17:25] <timp> cwayne: so you can check by using Text first to see if wrapmode works there.
[17:25] <cwayne> makes sense
[17:25] <cwayne> thanks timp
[17:27] <cwayne> seems text wrapmode isn't working, or im doing something dumb
[17:27] <timp> cwayne: show me your code
[17:29] <cwayne> timp, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6041105/
[17:32] <timp> cwayne: you need to anchor the Text left and right, or set its width
[17:32] <timp> Text needs to have a fixed width for wrapping to work
[17:32] <cwayne> timp, i tried to set width: parent.width and it didnt change anything
[17:34] <timp> cwayne: does it work if you set width: 200 ?
[17:36] <timp> cwayne: I don't see Text.WrapAtWordBoundaryOrAnywhere listed as a valid wrap mode on http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qml-qtquick2-text.html#wrapMode-prop
[17:36] <iBelieve> cwayne, are you using Label.Wrap* or Text.Wrap*?
[17:36] <timp> maybe it was renamed to Text.Wrap
[17:36] <cwayne> timp, hm, yes it does work if i do set the width
[17:36] <cwayne> perhaps i had forgotten to close when i tried to set tot he parent's width last time
[17:37] <cwayne> now can i have it centered when it wraps?
[17:37] <timp> or the parent.width is not valid when its value is evaluated. if it doesn't work you can try to set the left and right anchors (and remove horizontalcenter)
[17:38] <timp> cwayne: Text.horizontalAlignment
[17:38] <timp> cwayne: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qml-qtquick2-text.html#horizontalAlignment-prop
[17:39] <timp> cwayne: don't forget to change the Text back to Label to get the proper styling :)
[17:40] <cwayne> timp, yep, thanks for the help!
[17:42] <cwayne> hm, still not centering
[17:42] <boiko> om26er: speaking of tests, I think we can enable autopilot tests for dialer-app and messaging-app now
[17:43] <timp> cwayne: horizontalAlignment: Text.AlignHCenter
[17:43] <cwayne> timp, that's exactly what I did
[17:44] <cwayne> ok now it works
[17:44] <cwayne> wtf
[17:44] <cwayne> i didnt change anything
[17:52] <harisha> Hello All, I have query regarding native apps
[17:53] <harisha> where can i find API's for sending SMS, Call in Ubuntu Touch?
[17:54] <joern_> hi
[17:55] <joern_> someone of the calendar app team here?
[17:55] <iBelieve> joern_, you could try oSoMoN_
[17:56] <oSoMoN_> darn, just when I was going to go offline… ;)
[17:56] <oSoMoN_> joern_: hey
[17:57] <joern_> hi
[17:57] <joern_> no in a hurry
[17:58] <joern_> i would like to get some calendar syncing
[17:58] <joern_> so i thought of implementing it
[17:58] <joern_> just wanted to check where i could start, or if there are some concepts
[17:59] <oSoMoN_> joern_: excellent idea, I don’t know what’s the current status but I’m pretty sure that’s on the roadmap, and I don’t think anyone is actively working on it
[17:59] <oSoMoN_> joern_: popey should be able to give you pointers to get started
[18:00] <joern_> i took a look at the milestones
[18:00] <joern_> I still need time to get a better overview
[18:01] <joern_> but i realy want caldav for private syncing
[18:03] <om26er> boiko, I'll do that
[18:03] <oSoMoN_> joern_: do you mind if we discuss this tomorrow? I’ll be online the whole day and available, but need to leave now
[18:03] <joern_> ok
[18:04] <oSoMoN_> cool, tty tomorrow then
[18:04] <iBelieve> kenvandine, ping
[18:04] <joern_> iBelieve are you writing the tasks app?
[18:05] <iBelieve> joern_, yes, I'm writing Ubuntu Tasks
[18:05] <joern_> recognized the name ;)
[18:05] <joern_> nice work so fare
[18:06] <iBelieve> joern_, thanks :)
[18:07] <joern_> iBelieve, can you tell me if there is something like a tasks and event storage I should be aware of`
[18:08] <joern_> or are the apps implementing this on there own
[18:08] <iBelieve> joern_, there is QtOrganizer, which is a high-level API to access different calendar backends.
[18:08] <joern_> a, o
[18:08] <joern_> k
[18:08] <iBelieve> joern_, I think the Calendar app will be switching to it soon
[18:08] <joern_> nice
[18:09] <iBelieve> joern_, Currently I'm just using my own custom U1db JSON backend
[18:09] <joern_> k
[18:09] <iBelieve> joern_, here is the docs for QtOrganizer: http://doc.qt.digia.com/qtmobility-1.2/qml-organizer.html
[18:10] <joern_> k
[18:10] <joern_> I hope I will get through it
[18:13] <joern_> iBelieve, are you planing to add a "move task to other project" feature?
[18:13] <iBelieve> joern_, do you mean moving a task to another project with in the app, or to another app?
[18:13] <joern_> currently I ment the app
[18:14] <iBelieve> joern_, yes, I'm in the middle of my third re-write of the backend. I plan on adding that feature. I actually thought it existed but maybe not
[18:14] <joern_> k, maybe I overlooked
[18:20] <joern_> ls
[18:22] <kenvandine> iBelieve, pong
[18:22] <iBelieve> kenvandine, are you the person I should talk to regarding Online Accounts?
[18:25] <kenvandine> iBelieve, one of them
[18:25] <kenvandine> what do you need?
[18:26] <iBelieve> kenvandine, ah, good. I was wondering about getting Trello added as an Online Account since I'm writing an app with Trello integration
[18:26] <kenvandine> iBelieve, is it oauth?
[18:26] <iBelieve> kenvandine, is that something that an app could ship in a click package, or does that get included in Ubuntu by default?
[18:27] <iBelieve> kenvandine, yes
[18:27] <kenvandine> shouldn't be too hard
[18:27] <kenvandine> no, not in a click package
[18:27] <kenvandine> at least not yet
[18:28] <kenvandine> iBelieve, https://code.launchpad.net/account-plugin-fitbit/
[18:28] <kenvandine> that's probably a good reference package
[18:28] <iBelieve> kenvandine, I tried creating an account plugin for Trello by following http://askubuntu.com/a/337346/109543, but trello said the browser wasn't supported
[18:28] <kenvandine> using pretty basic oauth stuff
[18:28] <iBelieve> kenvandine, okay, I'll take a look at that
[18:28] <cwayne> kenvandine, iBelieve i can help out in a bit if you'd like :)
[18:29] <iBelieve> cwayne, sure :)
[18:29] <iBelieve> kenvandine, so what would be the process for getting a Trello account plugin included in Ubuntu? Is that something that could get done by the App Showdown deadline?
[18:30] <kenvandine> it doesn't need to be included by default
[18:30] <kenvandine> just need it packaged and available
[18:30] <kenvandine> iBelieve, so that askubuntu reference is great, even includes the qml bits needed for ubuntu touch :)
[18:31] <kenvandine> and mardy is the expert there
[18:31] <kenvandine> cwayne, you should add the qml-plugin bits to the fitbit plugin :)
[18:32] <cwayne> kenvandine, that's next on my utouch task list :D
[18:32] <kenvandine> iBelieve, you can override the useragent
[18:32] <cwayne> kenvandine, btw i tried to get pandora, but they won't give me any keys/tokens
[18:32] <kenvandine> look at /etc/signon-ui/webkit-options.d/secure.flickr.com.conf
[18:33] <kenvandine> part of the account-plugin-flickr
[18:33] <iBelieve> kenvandine, if it's not included by default, how would work with my app's click package?
[18:33] <kenvandine> good question... i guess it can't
[18:33] <kenvandine> but click packages with app confinement won't be able to provide account plugins
[18:34] <kenvandine> at least not yet
[18:35] <kenvandine> and account plugins need to be installed in system directories... which click packages can't do
[18:35] <iBelieve> So is it possible to create a Trello account plugin for use with my showdown app, or should I authenticate manually inside my app?
[18:36] <kenvandine> i'd hate to suggest you manually do it in your app
[18:36] <kenvandine> dpm, what would you suggest?
[18:36] <jrei> jey, xchat
[18:36] <kenvandine> or mhall119 ^^
[18:37] <dpm> kenvandine, iBelieve, create an Online Accounts plugin for Trello?
[18:37] <iBelieve> Currently I'm using the other method for authentication which pops up a browser and has the user copy a token back into my app. Very ugly
[18:37] <dpm> mardy, ^
[18:37] <kenvandine> dpm, yes... but it would need to be installed by default
[18:37] <kenvandine> or his click package won't work
[18:37] <iBelieve> dpm, yes, that's what I'd like to do, if possible. But it would need to work with a click package for my showdown app
[18:37] <mhall119> iBelieve: manually in your app for now, until we know how to package account plugins in Click
[18:39] <iBelieve> mhall119, okay, thanks
[18:39] <iBelieve> kenvandine, dpm thanks for the help!
[18:39] <kenvandine> np
[18:49] <jrei> iBelieve, are you planning to use the qml organizer backend?
[18:50] <mefrio> some news about my app for the showdown contest: http://mefrio.wordpress.com/2013/08/29/memories-third-week/ give it a try and help me making it better with feedbacks and suggestions
[18:51] <iBelieve> jrei, I looked into it a while back, and they didn't have the EDS backend done yet, so I didn't use it right away. Now though, by app is way more complex than what QtOrganizer offers
[18:51] <iBelieve> ** my app
[18:51] <jrei> k
[18:52] <cwayne> mhall119, is there a theme yo use the default aubergine background? or is it just UbuntuColors.midAubergine?
[18:53] <snwh> kenvandine, I thought I'd update Friends' icon to make it similar to the Contacts, messages and phone icons. Thoughts? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7027392/friends-app-icon.png
[19:06] <iBelieve> Does anyone know if I can use a regular Qt Quick Application template for an Ubuntu Touch app, one that has C++ code that which load a QML view>
[19:06] <iBelieve> ?
[19:06] <iBelieve> mhall119, dpm, do either of you know? ^^^
[19:06] <iBelieve> Versus a Ubuntu Touch template with a C++ plugin
[19:07] <dpm> iBelieve, I haven't tried it, but I think you should be able to, with some caveats:
[19:07] <dpm> - You'll have to import Ubuntu.Components in your QML files
[19:08] <iBelieve> dpm, but I already need to do that, right?
[19:08] <dpm> - You might have to manually recreate some of the things that the Ubuntu template does for you (e.g. setting up the .desktop file, the MainView, etc.)
[19:09] <dpm> yeah, the first one is easy, the second one not so much, as I don't know off the top of my head all of the things the Ubuntu template sets up
[19:09] <iBelieve> dpm, than that's no problem, since I already have a Ubuntu Touch app that I want to add C++ code to
[19:09] <iBelieve> dpm, I'd just prefer to have some C++ code that loads the QML view instead of using a C++ extension library
[19:09] <dpm> yeah, that should work
[19:10] <iBelieve> dpm, thanks!
[19:10] <dpm> I did it for a test project of mine a while ago, using the Qt upstream mixed app template
[19:10] <dpm> but just to get it running, I didn't package it or any thing
[19:11] <iBelieve> dpm, that's the project type I'm using for uBible, but I just wanted to double check that there weren't any problems with that method before using it in my Showdown app
[19:13] <dpm> iBelieve, you might have to do some extra work to get the packaging working, but essentially it should work. You'd have to do some extra work anyway with the Ubuntu template, as we don't yet have a story for cross-compilation and packaging with C++ extensions (but we might have it now, after UDS :)
[19:14] <iBelieve> dpm, oh, yeah... how will that work with packaging it in a Click package? Will that work?
[19:15] <dpm> iBelieve, it doesn't work out of the box, but I think you can just hammer the binary into the click package. Unfortunately, I couldn't attend the UDS session about it, but I can probably find out more tomorrow
[19:16] <iBelieve> dpm, should I just ping you tomorrow to see if you know anything more about that?
[19:17] <dpm> iBelieve, yeah, although at this time tomorrow you might have more luck with mhall119, as I'm in Europe and I won't be around
[19:18] <iBelieve> dpm, I'll try one of you. Thanks for the help!
[19:18] <dpm> great
[19:19] <kenvandine> snwh, that looks nice... but might look too much like the common "share" icon
[19:20] <kenvandine> snwh, which is fitting for friends, but might get confused
[19:20] <kenvandine> snwh, but it does look really nice... and the blue is a good idea
[19:20] <kenvandine> snwh, have you seen the latest friends-app?  that landed in saucy today?
[19:20] <kenvandine> it's blue :)
[19:22] <jrei> is saucy stable enough for daily use?
[19:26] <iBelieve> jrei, for me it is. I use it every day because the showdown requires me to develop for it. It's working fine. A few issues with the global menus, but it's working great
[19:26] <jrei> k thanks
[19:28] <dpm> iBelieve, you might have seen the core apps hack days announcement. We're setting up a wiki page for the goals for the hackfest. Anything you'd like to add to the goals for File Manager? -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/SaucySprint#File_Manager
[19:29] <jrei> iBelieve, do you think your tasks would fit into webdav?
[19:30] <jrei> we will see
[19:31] <jrei> cya
[19:31] <snwh> kenvandine, I haven't updated I'll have to look :)
[19:34] <iBelieve> dpm, other than fixing the critical/high bugs and triaging bugs, I think the biggest things would be adding Undo support, using real icons, and maybe adding multiple tabs. Not sure if those would be good hack day goals, though
[19:34] <iBelieve> jrei, I don't know anything about webdav. Isn't that calendar stuff, though? or is that something different?
[19:35] <dpm> iBelieve, do you see them as goals for the 1.0 release? I think undo support would be awesome, but are we targeting it for 1.0?
[19:37] <iBelieve> dpm, we don't have any other major features left, so I guess they would be nice to have if we could get them done in time. About Undo support, I don't know, I was going to bring it up in today's meeting. I just saw that as a feature request in a G+ comment
[19:37] <iBelieve> dpm, using real filetype-based icons would be the biggest thing, in my opinion
[19:38] <dpm> iBelieve, does that require new icons/design only, or is there non-trivial development involved as well?
[19:40] <iBelieve> dpm, I don't know since I haven't done any backend work.
[19:41] <iBelieve> dpm, there seems to be some code for icons in the source of the dirmodel, but I don't know what it's for
[19:43] <iBelieve> dpm, of the three, multiple tabs support should be very simple to implement
[19:43] <balachmar> Hi guys, just wanted to drop in and say I am going to try and flash Ubuntu Touch on a Galaxy S so I might help out with the hack days
[19:45] <balachmar> And of course any tips or hints are welcome, because it doesn't seem to have gotten a lot of attention :)
[19:46] <dpm> iBelieve, what would multiple tabs do actually? Browse different locations on different tabs?
[19:46] <iBelieve> dpm, right, like opening a new tab in Nautilus
[19:47] <dpm> gotcha, thanks
[19:53] <snwh> kenvandine, i used a similar looking  icon for Friends because the friends is for sharing and the share button would be for sharing; I figured the two resembling each other would make sense.
[19:58] <snwh> kenvandine, if there was confusion I could always change it ;)
[20:00] <dpm> snwh, thanks a lot for your work with the core apps icons!
[20:00] <snwh> dpm, no problem :)
[20:01] <dpm> snwh, for Music and RSS Reader I'll need to check with the Design team, though, as it seems they might have started working on icons independently as well. Let me comment on your merge proposal once I learn more tomorrow and update you, and I'll get them to get in touch with you
[20:02] <dpm> but for the other ones I suggested on the list there is no one else working on them, afaik
[20:02] <snwh> dpm, I made an rss reader one and it has been merged :)
[20:03] <snwh> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7027392/rss-icon-screenshot.png
[20:03] <dpm> yeah, I saw that, I hadn't seen it got merged
[20:03] <snwh> dpm, and it would be helpful knowing what the design team is up too :)
[20:05] <dpm> snwh, they're working pretty closely with the core apps developers, the rule is to just ask. If you're interested in joining any of the design hangouts, let me know and I'll send you an invite so you can keep track of the times
[20:05] <snwh> dpm, where is dropping letters installing in the filesystem?
[20:05] <dpm> hm, don't know off the top of my head, let me check, probably in /opt nowadays
[20:06] <dpm> /opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.dropping-letters/current
[20:07] <snwh> thanks!
[20:07] <snwh> I usually test an icon by overwriting the current one on the phone but I couldn't find it
[20:09] <dpm> snwh, yeah, it seems dropping letters, stock ticker and sudoku have been migrated to click packages, which also causes unity not to actually find the icons :/
[20:09] <dpm> so an empty UbuntuShape is show
[20:09] <snwh> it seems to have found dropping letters though
[20:10] <dpm> ah, really? I probably need to update my image
[20:11] <snwh> although stock ticker and sudoku are not there
[20:19] <asomething> is there a list of bitesize bugs for the touch core apps? looking to play with qml some more...
[20:50] <popey> asomething: we're working on it
[20:50] <asomething> popey, cool. I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize
[20:50] <popey> thats it
[20:51] <asomething> not much yet, but it's a start
[20:51] <popey> we'll tag some more over the next few days
[21:59] <szymon> Hello! I have Ubuntu Touch app related question, is it possible to change colour of text in header ?
[22:02] <randomcpp> szymon, I don't think so, the color of the text is related to the background
[22:02] <randomcpp> dark background -> light text and viceversa
[22:03] <szymon> randomcpp, thanks.
[22:03] <randomcpp> np
[22:07] <hakermania> randomcpp, I don't program for Ubuntu Touch, but isn't this ridiculous ? I mean, we have less options as users and now we have less options as programmers from the SDKs?
[22:07] <randomcpp> hakermania, ?
[22:08] <randomcpp> hakermania, the sdk is pretty limited at the moment because it just hit beta at the end of july
[22:08] <hakermania> randomcpp, the thing that you cannot change the color of the text, for example. I agree that the default color should be something that would match each other (dark bg -> light text and vv)
[22:08] <randomcpp> hakermania, it's qml, you can define your own styles, but it's not recommended
[22:10] <hakermania> randomcpp, while I don't know QML, I see the point. And I understand they want all the applications to have a similar look and feel, but they must leave the coder have a freedom of choice. If it is just the beta state, then ok :)
[22:11] <randomcpp> hakermania, you can use the language and the toolkit you want
[22:11] <randomcpp> for the contest qml and ubuntu sdk is required this year
[22:12] <hakermania> Anyway, good night to everybody!
[22:38] <bigcalm> I'm about to attempt my 1st c++ plugin. Having watched the sessions this afternoon on multi-arch, should I be concerned about the use of qmake or cmake?
[22:40] <clepto1995> bigcalm, I also interested in this.. I missed the sessions... Can you tell me a summary?
[22:40] <clepto1995> I'm*
[22:41] <bigcalm> clepto1995: not really, but here is the session of interest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qs10lu10dU
[22:44]  * bigcalm heads to bed
[22:44] <clepto1995> thanks