[00:37] <sak> knome, what post were you referring to?
[01:01] <TheDrums> As it's a package in the repos, you can install it to whatever you want (can try on a phone if you tried hard enough) but by default L/X/K won't ship it.
[01:01] <TheDrums> (Each with a different reason, too.)
[01:46] <sak> i just posted a blog made by our team leader knome. this should clear things up
[01:54] <sak> just so I know where I stand, what is the best way to fix this problem, and can I still blog about using Xubuntu?
[02:50] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, has arrived!
[02:54] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, hello
[02:54] <smartboyhw> :P
[02:54] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, good morning there!
[03:35] <knome> sak, umm, better, but i've written a newer blog post as well... you're lagging behind: http://open.knome.fi/2013/08/22/xubuntu-team-no-mir-for-13-10/
[03:35] <knome> sak, i've no problem with you blogging about xubuntu or whatsoever, as long as you check the facts
[04:29] <sak> knome, i read both of them. I wanted the readers to read both posts.
[04:29] <sak> knome, thanks
[06:49] <DanChapman> good morning all :-)
[06:50] <elfy> morning DanChapman
[06:54] <DanChapman> jibel, hey how are you? How easy would it be to have a disks pre-installed with ubuntu and windows to test re-installs, upgrades and dual-boot for the ubiquity test?
[06:54] <DanChapman> elfy hey o/. Rather dull weather today isn't it :-|
[06:54] <elfy> bit cloudy ...
[06:55] <elfy> suits me - I drive a van for a living ;)
[06:55] <elfy> at the moment
[07:03] <smartboyhw> Hey elfy DanChapman
[07:03] <elfy> hi smartboyhw
[07:05] <DanChapman> smartboyhw: good morning.
[08:24] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, heh, got my third package into Mentors:P
[08:24] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, nice.
[08:25] <knome> smartboyhw, just remember it's not a competition - even if it was, it's a quality, not quantity competition
[08:25] <smartboyhw> knome, my quality is better than Noskcaj (at least mine is lintian-clean)
[08:25] <knome> and MRRR, i don't want either of you to upload packages because you want to get more packages in
[08:25]  * knome gives the look to both
[08:25] <smartboyhw> knome, OK
[08:26] <knome> smartboyhw, but thanks for working on it, it's appreciated
[08:26] <smartboyhw> knome, actually, for light-locker, it's a favor for ochosi:)
[08:26] <smartboyhw> To push him harder into coding:P
[08:26] <knome> whatever it was - it's appreciated :P
[08:27] <smartboyhw> :P
[08:28] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, I'll drop the one that isn't lintian clean, plus most of my work is in debian-xfce
[08:28] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, you shouldn't
[08:28] <Noskcaj> knome, I'm not doing anything wrong here
[08:29] <knome> Noskcaj, you're not seeing my point
[08:29] <knome> Noskcaj, and i agree with smartboyhw... the point is not to remove but improve
[08:29] <knome> that's why it is called mentoring
[08:30] <Noskcaj> ok, i don't really have time currently, and i want to get indicator 2.0 in debian before i fix etm
[08:30] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, sure
[13:47] <balloons_uds> flavors qa session coming up, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21839/community-1308-quality-flavors/
[13:52] <phillw> balloonsjust back and registering now :)
[13:52] <phillw> balloons_uds: I'm just back and registering now :)
[13:55] <smartboyhw> phillw, heyas
[13:56] <phillw> hi !
[13:57] <balloons> excellent
[14:40] <senan> DanChapman, I need a help
[14:40] <DanChapman> senan, sure whats up?
[14:40] <senan> All the tests are failing in 13.10
[14:41] <DanChapman> senan ok, did you re-write them for the diff UI to raring?
[14:41] <senan> No.. all the tests.. not only Disk usage analyzer
[14:42] <senan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6038647/
[14:42] <senan> this is what I got at the end
[14:42] <DanChapman> can you paste the output of the fail?
[14:42] <DanChapman> cheers just lookin
[14:43] <DanChapman> senan, easy fix. for some reason you didn't get xlib with your autopilot package. Just apt-get install python-xlib
[14:50] <senan> DanChapman, it worked but even  a single test taking more than one minute to start
[14:51] <DanChapman> senan, sure it does tend to slow down at times but thats expected :-)
[14:52] <smartboyhw> Hmm, even Letozaf_ is early
[14:52] <senan> No, in raring it was very fast
[14:52] <Letozaf_> smartboyhw, wow I had to run :D
[14:52] <smartboyhw> balloons, phillw so what did you guys discuss?
[14:52] <smartboyhw> Letozaf_, heh
[14:52] <Letozaf_> smartboyhw, :P
[14:53] <smartboyhw> Letozaf_, nice to see you though, never saw you in this time:)
[14:53] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, ^ happy?:P
[14:53] <Letozaf_> smartboyhw, nice to see you too, yes usually I can connect only after dinner :)
[14:54] <DanChapman> senan, its nothing to worry about as long as the test passes :-)
[14:59] <balloons> whew, that was a bit rife with disconnects and etc
[14:59] <balloons> that said is was very nice to meet ali in person and in the end we had a great chat
[14:59] <smartboyhw> balloons, in person? :O
[14:59] <smartboyhw> Wow
[14:59] <phillw> balloons: he he... c'est la vie!
[14:59] <smartboyhw> Now that's a surprise;)
[15:00] <smartboyhw> What did you guys managed to talk about? (Don't want to load the video, it slows down bandwidth)
[15:00] <phillw> smartboyhw: look at the ether pad :)
[15:01] <smartboyhw> phillw, if you can kindly provide me the link so I don't have to go to summit to get it:P
[15:01] <amjjawad1> balloons:
[15:01] <smartboyhw> Hello amjjawad1 :)
[15:01] <amjjawad1> smartboyhw: hi :) I'm so sad you couldn't attend :(
[15:02] <smartboyhw> amjjawad1, me too
[15:02] <smartboyhw> But, that's what happens:P
[15:02] <smartboyhw> Blame Google for that
[15:02] <DanChapman> smartboyhw: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-community-1308-quality-flavors
[15:02] <senan> DanChapman, evince tests took 307 seconds to complete
[15:02] <phillw> smartboyhw: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-community-1308-quality-flavors
[15:02] <smartboyhw> (Can't blame jono)
[15:02] <amjjawad1> yeah, I am aware of what happened
[15:02] <phillw> he he, snap !!
[15:02] <smartboyhw> phillw, you are officially beaten
[15:02] <amjjawad1> phillw: what happened to your session? :(
[15:03] <DanChapman> thats not too bad. senan the gedit test takes 15min plus :-D
[15:03] <smartboyhw> balloons, you want me to help do the promotion for more testers?
[15:03] <senan> DanChapman, but in raring everything was very fast
[15:03] <senan> eveyting finished within 1-2 minutes
[15:04] <phillw> amjjawad1: piglet over heated, I was doing stuff in the background and even with the extra cooling pad it got too much :/
[15:04] <smartboyhw> philipballew, which was your face?
[15:04] <balloons> the big takeaways are to enable ubiquity testing for flavors, look at writing autopilot tests, encourage the manual test cases.. and the big one is recruitment of new people :-)
[15:04] <senan> balloons, Dan helped me to fix the issue
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Oops, phillw :P
[15:04] <balloons> amjjawad1, hello.. you can meet a few more folks in here if you haven't yet :-)
[15:04] <smartboyhw> balloons, I can help recruit new people:)
[15:04]  * DanChapman can pretend to be new again
[15:05] <smartboyhw> amjjawad1, we need to introduce you to DanChapman and Letozaf_, autopilot gurus
[15:05] <smartboyhw> :P
[15:05] <Letozaf_> amjjawad1, hello, welcome !
[15:05] <amjjawad1> balloons: my pleasure
[15:05] <balloons> smartboyhw, yes, we would welcome your help
[15:06] <amjjawad1> but wait, let me change the tabs ... I am not comfortable here :(
[15:06] <amjjawad1> brb
[15:06] <smartboyhw> balloons, so, what do you want me to do? Write blog posts?
[15:06] <balloons> senan, I'm curious about your results.. others were saying the same thing about it being super slow now
[15:06] <smartboyhw> (And damn, I forgotten the Canonical QA interview series)
[15:07] <balloons> smartboyhw, blog posts, social media stuff, all good, sure.. but I think we all might have a few grander ideas
[15:07] <balloons> think big
[15:07] <senan> balloons, in my case python xlib was not installed. I installed it and it worked
[15:07] <amjjawad> balloons: I'm here
[15:07] <smartboyhw> balloons, 24-hour marathon!?
[15:07] <smartboyhw> :P
[15:07] <balloons> amjjawad, :-)
[15:08] <amjjawad> Hi
[15:08] <balloons> senan, ahh, weird it didn't pull it in automatically
[15:08] <amjjawad> sorry, where were we?
[15:08] <balloons> but still, I wonder why the speed difference
[15:08] <balloons> can you confirm it, 100% senan ? Same version of autopilot even?
[15:09] <balloons> amjjawad, ok, so I was talking with smartboyhw a little about the idea of recruiting more folks
[15:09] <amjjawad> sure
[15:09] <smartboyhw> balloons, as I said, 24-hour marathon:P
[15:09] <smartboyhw> We can kill balloons using that!
[15:09] <senan> balloons,let me check once again..I'll run it in both and report the result..how do I check the autopilot version
[15:09] <smartboyhw> \o/
[15:09] <balloons> senan, autopilot --version
[15:10] <balloons> senan, send me a mail, or even better mail the ubuntu-quality list with the results.. if they are weird, let's file a bug and see what the autopilot folks have to say
[15:10] <balloons> and good eye senan !
[15:10] <amjjawad> balloons: as I said on the UDS meeting, I think as a start, let's send an email about this idea to the mailing list and let's then build a small team and this team will be in charge of this mission :D
[15:10] <senan> balloons, okay
[15:10] <amjjawad> does it sound like a good plan?
[15:11]  * smartboyhw doesn't think we need an explicit team to do this
[15:11] <smartboyhw> Well, EVERYONE of the QA Team should be promoting
[15:11] <balloons> amjjawad, yes I think that's a good plan
[15:11] <amjjawad> Not exactly
[15:11] <amjjawad> smartboyhw: we need a small team
[15:12] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, count me in, if you don't mind:)
[15:12] <amjjawad> in another word, a dedicated team for this mission
[15:12]  * smartboyhw likes promotion business
[15:12] <balloons> smartboyhw, the idea would be to coordinate something bigger than anything we could do alone
[15:12] <amjjawad> you are in before you ask :P
[15:12] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, oh:P
[15:12] <smartboyhw> balloons, um, what should we do?
[15:12] <smartboyhw> Organize QA hackfests everywhere?
[15:12] <amjjawad> balloons: +1 exactly
[15:12] <phillw> smartboyhw: you'll get used to it... I also will now doubt be volunteered :P
[15:13] <amjjawad> Our Motto: All of us are smarter than anyone of us
[15:13] <phillw> s/now/no/
[15:13] <smartboyhw> phillw, be volunteered:
[15:13] <smartboyhw> :P
[15:13] <amjjawad> phillw: as always, you are in :P
[15:13] <balloons> smartboyhw, we'll talk about it.. I have some ideas that are bigger than what we've done in the past
[15:13] <smartboyhw> I thought we are the Chinese government?
[15:13] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:13] <smartboyhw> balloons, e.g.?
[15:15] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, you want to setup a team in Launchpad or?
[15:15] <amjjawad> let's first see what the responses on the ML ;)
[15:15] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, sure
[15:15] <SergioMeneses> sm0x, =/ I'm working
[15:15] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, ↑↑↑
[15:15] <smartboyhw> SergioMeneses, =/
[15:16] <jibel> DanChapman, it shouldn't be difficult to prepare pre-installed disks. For windows I don't have any license, would a vfat formatted disk be enough?
[15:17] <amjjawad> smartboyhw: how many overall testers you guys have?
[15:17] <jibel> or maybe there is a way to prepare it so it is recognized as a windows disk
[15:18] <amjjawad> and I mean 'active' ones
[15:18] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, huh, 3-4?
[15:18] <amjjawad> :O
[15:18] <amjjawad> really?
[15:18] <amjjawad> :(
[15:18] <balloons> edubuntu is probably the other smallest group.. the 2 developers do pretty much all of the work, including testing
[15:19] <amjjawad> then we seriously need to carry on with this idea of brining more testers ... I think if one or two membrs from each flavours will join that small team, that would be prefect
[15:19] <amjjawad> OMG, this is really not good :(
[15:20] <amjjawad> Hmmm, those who are willing to join this project of brining more testers need to have Social Networks Accounts and I do know some do hate these areas :(
[15:20] <amjjawad> smartboyhw: phillw balloons .. I know all of you are there already but others people don't really like google+ nor facebook
[15:22] <phillw> balloons: we *may* have  a kernel regression with 3.11.0-4 are there many people running it as their day to day installation?
[15:24] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, I don't have FB, etc
[15:24] <smartboyhw> balloons, heh, I joined Edubuntu:P
[15:24] <amjjawad> smartboyhw: but you have a google+ ;)
[15:25] <amjjawad> no need to have both, one is enough
[15:25] <phillw> +.-43
[15:25] <balloons> right.. but having social network accounts everywhere on a personal level isn't a requirement.. so no worries..
[15:25] <DanChapman> jibel, awesome. well I have plenty of licences from my msdn subscription so thats not an issue.
[15:25] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, huh, give me Windows 8 ISOs to break:P
[15:26] <balloons> i will try to send a mail today, or tomorrow.. vUDS takes alot :-)
[15:26] <DanChapman> smartboyhw: :-D
[15:26] <amjjawad> balloons: take your time, we are not in hurry :D in fact we are :P
[15:26] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, LOL
[15:26] <smartboyhw> True
[15:27] <amjjawad> but really, take your time
[15:27] <phillw> amjjawad: yeah, don't forget quality already has fb and g+ areas :)
[15:27] <amjjawad> how can I? I'm admin on these areas :P
[15:27] <smartboyhw> Next thing we know, we need Twitter;P
[15:27] <phillw> indeed... just checking you're still awake :P
[15:28] <amjjawad> phillw: hahaha :D I am as always :D
[15:28] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, good to have a chat with you here;)
[15:28] <amjjawad> smartboyhw: same here :)
[15:28] <phillw> smartboyhw: the lubuntu twitterers may be willing to help out there. amjjawad knows them, so is best placed to ask them for assistance :)
[15:29] <smartboyhw> phillw, :)
[15:29] <amjjawad> let me just find the best way to start this so when balloons will send the email, I most likely will have the ideas ready :D
[15:29] <amjjawad> what I have in mind in this very moment is:
[15:29] <balloons> remember even if you don't have an account you can still be part of the content creation
[15:29] <smartboyhw> balloons, ofc
[15:30] <amjjawad> there will be a dedicated team to find more testers. I guess we agreed about that. Wht will happen is ... first of all, we will start finding more testers within our teams before asking for outside help.
[15:30] <amjjawad> then, we start looking for help from the outside world and those will be the users of the flavours.
[15:30] <amjjawad> As I said in the meeting/session, there are lots of replies when you post a call for testing post but very very few who actually jump in and help :(
[15:31] <amjjawad> so, we need to find a way to solve this :D
[15:31] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, time
[15:31] <amjjawad> that is all at the moment
[15:31] <smartboyhw> Unless you can beat that:P
[15:31] <amjjawad> oh yes I can
[15:31] <amjjawad> ask phillw ;0
[15:31] <amjjawad> ;)
[15:31] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, huh
[15:31] <smartboyhw> Nobody beats time
[15:31] <amjjawad> I can
[15:31] <balloons> indeed, the response is not consistent.. and ofc sometimes people respond, but don't engage with the rest of the community
[15:31] <amjjawad> balloons: indeed
[15:32] <balloons> it's similar to patching a bit of software for yourself and never upstreaming the patch
[15:32] <amjjawad> smartboyhw: I can not beat it physically but I do have a workaround ;)
[15:32] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, huh
[15:32]  * smartboyhw continues to huh 
[15:32] <amjjawad> smartboyhw: I will explain it later ;)
[15:32] <phillw> balloons: one thing I do want agreed before saucy is released is the time and dates for the classroom sessions, so that we push these out for people interested as soon as saucy lands.
[15:32] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, sure
[15:32] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, BTW are you an Ubuntu Member?
[15:33] <smartboyhw> phillw, I agree
[15:33] <amjjawad> not yet
[15:33] <smartboyhw> Especially summer Classroom sessions get turn down more:(
[15:33] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, you should
[15:33] <amjjawad> it is funny I'm on 3 different projects but not yet a member :P
[15:33] <smartboyhw> You gained enough experience on lubuntu alone
[15:33]  * smartboyhw can testify for amjjawad 
[15:33] <phillw> smartboyhw: then update his wiki :P
[15:33] <amjjawad> smartboyhw: I apprecite that a lot but I believe everything has its time
[15:34] <amjjawad> phillw: heheh
[15:34] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, ture
[15:34] <smartboyhw> *true
[15:34] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, look at my wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/smartboyhw
[15:34] <smartboyhw> I am expecting you to exceed this no.
[15:35] <amjjawad> sorry, no of what?
[15:35] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, no. of testimonials:)
[15:35] <amjjawad> smartboyhw: ahhh, I see :D
[15:35] <smartboyhw> You are much better than me:D
[15:36] <amjjawad> smartboyhw: NO
[15:36] <amjjawad> remember, ALL of us are smarter than ANY one of us :D
[15:36] <amjjawad> there is no one smarter than the other. ALL are smarter than any one ;)
[15:36] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, heh
[15:36] <amjjawad> together, we stand, alone, we fail.
[15:36] <smartboyhw> Yeah, maybe I am smarter than you when it comes to packaging;P
[15:36] <smartboyhw> Who knows?
[15:37] <amjjawad> smartboyhw: I am not a dev :D
[15:37] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, so, that's why ALL of us are smarter than ANY one of us:D
[15:38] <amjjawad> smartboyhw: indeed :D
[15:38] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, ah BTW you need to know some of the Ubuntu Release Team people
[15:39] <phillw> smartboyhw: he and kris love (and are excellent) at social media stuff. amjjawad will drive forward recruitment campaigns :D
[15:39] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, and I seriously suggest you to come on to IRC on Thursday (beta 1 release day)
[15:39] <senan> balloons, I ran the terminal test in both..In raring it took 175s and in saucy  it took 603 seconds
[15:39] <amjjawad> phillw: thank you :D
[15:39] <amjjawad> smartboyhw: I know, I know, problem is, my hands are full :(
[15:39] <senan> balloons,http://paste.ubuntu.com/6040716/
[15:39] <phillw> smartboyhw: I'm hoping he comes on tuesday to the lubuntu meeting :D
[15:39] <balloons> senan, wow, good work.. here I just thought it was slow :-)
[15:39] <amjjawad> and this mind has so many ideas that I really wish I could shut it down to sleep one night without problems
[15:40] <smartboyhw> phillw, I hope I can come too actually, but um, timezone problems
[15:40] <amjjawad> phillw: Ha? meeting? is there a meeting?
[15:40] <amjjawad> ops
[15:40] <amjjawad> hahaha
[15:40] <DanChapman> senan, wow thats extreme slwness, mine can be bit laggy at times. BUt hey somethings definately up with that
[15:40] <balloons> senan, can you post that as a thread to the ubuntu quality and the autopilot users list to? do you need the addresses for those?
[15:40] <phillw> usually are... but 20:00 UTC is about the only time Julien can keep clear in his diary for us.
[15:40] <balloons> it's discussion time :-)
[15:41] <phillw> 10 pm for him as local time.
[15:41] <smartboyhw> phillw, it's 11:41 pm here;P
[15:41] <senan> balloons, how do I do that . I haven't joined any mailing lists
[15:41] <amjjawad> OMG, speaking of time, I forgot to eat :D
[15:41] <smartboyhw> senan, oh no
[15:41] <phillw> smartboyhw: yeah, I know you struggle with the TZ issues, as does jackson !
[15:41] <amjjawad> oh well, it happens always hehe
[15:42] <smartboyhw> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
[15:42] <smartboyhw> senan, go to there and follow the subscribe instruction
[15:42] <amjjawad> where is Jackson by the way?
[15:42] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, sleeping
[15:42] <amjjawad> I see
[15:42] <smartboyhw> He is in Australia, don't forget
[15:42] <amjjawad> yeah yeah
[15:42] <amjjawad> I know
[15:42] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, you will see him around 20:00 UTC for sure
[15:42] <phillw> it's already Friday there!
[15:42] <smartboyhw> phillw, yep
[15:43] <amjjawad> so, the next Tue is Lubuntu Meeting, phillw ?
[15:43] <amjjawad> just to double check :D
[15:43] <phillw> yup
[15:43] <balloons> senan, https://launchpad.net/~autopilot-users and autopilot-users@lists.launchpad.net
[15:43] <amjjawad> balloons: by the way, I am a bit shy person too and the proof is, this is the first time I show up on public ... I hope I did not screw up
[15:44] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, ah, no worries:)
[15:44] <amjjawad> phillw: I will do my best to atten
[15:44] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, be confident
[15:44] <balloons> senan, the ubuntu quality list is https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality
[15:44] <amjjawad> attend*
[15:44] <balloons> amjjawad, you were a natural actually
[15:44] <amjjawad> smartboyhw: it was easy coz only balloons was there :P hehe
[15:44] <amjjawad> it would be harder if more were there
[15:44] <balloons> I would never have guess it was your first time
[15:44] <amjjawad> balloons: really? why? :D
[15:45] <balloons> that session got a bit weird, but it was fine. network issues are no fun
[15:45] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, LOL
[15:45] <smartboyhw> balloons, network issues...
[15:45] <balloons> amjjawad, you were very calm and relaxed
[15:45] <amjjawad> balloons: I do webcam chat of course with my family but never with a member of Linux Community and that was suppose to be a meeting with many members hahah
[15:45] <phillw> so was I  for the 1st 4 words!!! Then got stressed as piglet shutdown on me!
[15:46] <amjjawad> but I am glad this is your feedback :D it is motivating to carry on with these meetings hehe
[15:46] <amjjawad> phillw: :( too bad it happened to you
[15:46] <amjjawad> what kind of hardware is that? brand I mean?
[15:46] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, hahahahahah
[15:47] <smartboyhw> Um, piglet is phillw's special patent I think
[15:47] <smartboyhw> his server or some sort
[15:47] <amjjawad> piglet is phillw's test machine I guess? forgot that :P
[15:49]  * smartboyhw really has forgotten
[15:50] <amjjawad> same here :D
[15:50] <balloons> piglet is the laptop..
[15:50] <smartboyhw> balloons, ah
[15:50] <amjjawad> balloons: I will do my best to pop up here more often :D
[15:51] <smartboyhw> Your memory about phillw is better than me:)
[15:51] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, at least you should pop up next Thursday, to help testing:)
[15:51] <balloons> amjjawad, yes, that would be nice to see you pop on irc -)
[15:51] <amjjawad> it is a laptop, that is for sure :D but is it a testing laptop or main?
[15:51] <amjjawad> showing up or not, testing now in my blood so I am game whether I show up or not :D hehe
[15:52] <amjjawad> balloons: thanks :D I will do my best :)
[15:53] <amjjawad> phillw: I too have heating problems with HP DV6 Pavilion core i5 first generation and 4GM RAM and what is really ironic is .. it is so hot with Linux while it is not with Windows 7 O_o
[15:53] <phillw> amjjawad: it is both, it is running saucy as the main day to day for smoke testing, then has the VM's to also play with :)
[15:53] <amjjawad> phillw: I see ... maybe that is why it is over heating? :P
[15:54] <phillw> amjjawad: possibly an achpi (or what ever order it is spelt in).
[15:54] <balloons> random question.. do we have a bug filed to fix the manual iso tests to include the new u1 screen?
[15:54] <amjjawad> phillw: it is really funny that I help to solve others' problems and don't have time to fix mine :D
[15:54] <phillw> amjjawad: nope, it over heated because I was running chormium with live link to hangout, doing an upgrade, running ffox :D
[15:55] <phillw> amjjawad: I've still not strippedpiglet down to clean the cooling fan properly :P
[15:55] <amjjawad> phillw: I blame Chromium :P hehehe
[15:56] <senan> balloons, can I draft and send a mail to  autopilot-users@lists.launchpad.net from my gmail ?
[15:56] <phillw> I blame me for not noticing the temperature indicator going into the 90's :/
[15:56] <amjjawad> 90C degree???
[15:56] <phillw> yup!
[15:56] <amjjawad> O_o
[15:57] <smartboyhw> phillw, ew
[15:57] <amjjawad> mine is 60-70 but never 90
[15:57] <amjjawad> cleaning the fan did change nothing for me
[15:57] <amjjawad> next time, I will never buy HP
[15:58] <amjjawad> I am actually dying to get IBM Thinkpad which is the professional or business laptop and that makes it heavy duty. My laptops are not good quality :( except my testing laptop, it is better than the HP one.
[15:58] <amjjawad> my testing laptop is ASUS
[15:59] <smartboyhw> I think I can get up to 80
[16:01] <amjjawad> thankfully, I have never seen 80 yet
[16:01] <phillw> amjjawad: have a read of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2122808&p=12544969#post12544969 (and that entire thread for more back ground).
[16:01] <amjjawad> I have had a thread about my issue if I remember correctly
[16:01] <amjjawad> let me try to find it ...
[16:02] <amjjawad> phillw: found it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2062060
[16:04] <amjjawad> phillw: but I will have a look at your link after I eat because I can hear my stomach starts singing :D
[16:04] <amjjawad> So, smartboyhw phillw and balloons ... it was a great pleasure talking to you and everyone else ... hope to catch up with you soon :)
[16:04] <smartboyhw> amjjawad, sure, I need to sleep now:P
[16:06] <amjjawad> smartboyhw: sleep well, my friend .. good night :)
[16:06] <amjjawad> cya everyone
[16:06] <senan> How do I post something to quality mailing list ?  sent and email to ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com ?
[16:06] <smartboyhw> senan, yep
[16:07] <senan> balloons asked me to start a thread in both quality and autopilot users..
[16:07] <senan> So I need to draft two separate mails and send ?
[16:09] <balloons> senan, you can send to both at the same time
[16:09] <balloons> or senan you can just mail ubuntu-quality if you wih
[16:10] <balloons> *wish
[16:12] <senan> balloons, I've sent an email to ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com
[16:12] <senan> Is that enough ?
[16:16] <senan> balloons, Sent to both..I have no idea about this thats why.. sorry :(
[16:17] <balloons> senan, that should work.. thanks again! we'll see what thomi and the other autopilot devs have to say about it
[16:18] <knome> balloons, sorry, couldn't attend today.
[16:20] <balloons> knome, no worries
[16:21] <senan> balloons, I should say thanks..I learned many things.. thank you very much :)
[16:27] <DanChapman> senan It would appear I am having the same problem. running -vv shows a dbus error could not get PID and then it looks like it finally forces the execution of the test. balloons I will file a bug for this
[16:50] <senan> DanChapman : OK Dan
[16:53] <senan> Going to sleep..Good night everyone :-)
[16:55] <DanChapman> senan good night :-)
[16:59] <phillw> balloons: I can't remember if you voted last time, but the  lubuntu wallpaper competition is open. vote at http://picomp.it/contest/results/1178/lubuntu-13-10-community-wallpaper-contest/ (same goes for anyone who ever uses lubunu)
[17:00] <balloons> DanChapman, ohh, so a dbus error could be the cause of the slowness
[17:00] <elfy> balloons: not going to have to time to listen/watch the session for flavours qa - main question for me atm is 'was there much about autopilot for flavours in it?'
[17:01] <elfy> at least until the weekend
[17:02] <DanChapman> balloons: it looks that way  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041013/
[17:02] <DanChapman> elfy there was indeed.
[17:02] <elfy> k - I'll make the effort at the weekend to listen to it ...
[17:04] <DanChapman> elfy, :-)
[17:05] <elfy> DanChapman: if it was all manual testcases I'd probably not - I've had it up to 'here' with manual testcases :p
[17:06] <DanChapman> elfy i bet you have!! you got alot of them done though :-D. wanna try your hand at autopilot next? ;-p
[17:07] <elfy> DanChapman: fraid not - I don't code ;)
[17:07] <phillw> elfy: I did thank you on the IRC link for your work for lubuntu :)
[17:07] <DanChapman> elfy, :-)
[17:08] <elfy> DanChapman: I'd need to sort a rudimentary knowledge of python first - and that's been on my list for years ;)
[17:08] <elfy> phillw: thanks - but I'm sure you'd do the same for me - so wasn't really needed :)
[17:08] <elfy> I'll look at the irc logs today - because by the time sat comes I'll forget that bit :D
[17:11] <elfy> not much talking going on via irc for that session then - you can tell I wasn't there ...
[17:12] <elfy> uds is hard for people with no access to cams/mics
[17:13] <phillw> elfy: the ether-pad has more detail than the IRC has :) http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-community-1308-quality-flavors
[17:13] <elfy> read that phillw :)
[17:14] <elfy> I don't agree with at least one point ...
[17:15] <elfy> balloons: the pad for the QA session today that I missed - got a few niggles with things written on it - is that going ot be a blueprint in time - if it is can I add some notes to it?
[17:17] <balloons> elfy, yes it will go into the blueprint
[17:17] <balloons> and yes, add notes :-)
[17:17] <elfy> k - just making sure - was really not happy I couldn't be there today - but real life does that ...
[17:23] <phillw> elfy: re: documenting... There's an old saying... If you want it doing correctly, do it yourself :P
[17:23] <elfy> phillw: you watching me type ... :p
[17:25] <phillw> add it as a work item for yourself. Jobs get done as people have time. If it's wiki based I'm happy to help out :)
[17:25] <elfy> not if it's needed quickly - I have other things to work on as well
[17:30] <elfy> phillw: lubuntu uses a few of the same apps as us doesn't it?
[17:36] <phillw> elfy: it does, I have already linked those in :D
[17:37] <phillw> although I must make the time to ensure I've not missed any :)
[17:38] <elfy> phillw: I'm talking about sorting out the introspectable apps
[17:39] <phillw> balloons: you have an email arriving, it is not urgent, just a follow up on vUDS for < 18 year olds.
[17:39] <phillw> elfy: I've not got that far yet!
[17:39] <elfy> basically I'll work though the xubuntu ones over the weekend - so don't worry about your's if they are common to us bothe
[17:41] <knome> i'll expand the pad later today when wife has gone sleeping
[17:41] <knome> now, bbl
[17:41] <phillw> elfy: that's be great. As I said on IRC, it is a push for us in 14.04 for this; 13.10 was more about laying the foundations. lubuntu were not going to have 13.10 release until we found out that the life of 13.04 had been shortened to 9 months!
[17:41] <elfy> cya knome
[17:43] <Letozaf_> balloons, have you got a couple of minutes ?
[17:45] <elfy> phillw: pretty sure I did a bunch of what works what doesn't a couple of months ago actually
[17:46] <elfy> balloons: trying autopilot vis from the pad gets me an error message - usage: autopilot [-h] [-v] {run,list,launch} ... autopilot: error: argument mode: invalid choice: 'vis' (choose from 'run', 'list', 'launch')
[17:47] <elfy> DanChapman might know the answer to that ...
[17:48] <elfy> phillw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Saucy/AutopilotTesting
[18:03] <DanChapman> elfy sorry was eating dinner. Just reading back through
[18:05] <phillw> elfy: food time here... bbl
[18:06] <elfy> DanChapman: it's just the question directly above where you get pinged
[18:07] <balloons> Letozaf_, go ahead
[18:07] <balloons> elfy, autopilot vis is used with autopilot launch
[18:07] <balloons> what do you mean exactly elfy ?
[18:07] <DanChapman> elfy you need to install python-autopilot-vis it looks like its not installed
[18:08] <elfy> balloons: followed someone's instruction from the pad - it failed
[18:08] <elfy> DanChapman: probably that
[18:08] <DanChapman> balloons: thats twice today a package was missing :-S
[18:08] <Letozaf_> balloons, I have some problems (someone might have put a curse on me :) ) I am loked out from launchpad account
[18:08] <DanChapman> elfy it normally gets pulled in when installing python-autopilot
[18:08] <Letozaf_> balloons, sorry locked out
[18:09] <Letozaf_> balloons, I wrote a mail so to fix it but looks like it-s taking long
[18:09] <elfy> DanChapman: installing it
[18:09] <Letozaf_> balloons, so I am not able to do anything plus my notebook is broken
[18:10] <Letozaf_> balloons, for the notebook I am trying to find another one to work on
[18:10] <elfy> DanChapman: ok that launched - so now in the new window "check it says root in the dropdown at the top"
[18:10] <Letozaf_> balloons, the problem is the launchpad account
[18:10] <Letozaf_> balloons, hope I fix the problems and get back to work
[18:10] <elfy> so if the dropdown isn't there - that's not going to work with autopilot? which is odd because I thought there was an abiword test already
[18:10] <Letozaf_> balloons, so I cannot subscribe bugs for doing work on ubuntu rssreader ect.
[18:10] <elfy> DanChapman: ^^
[18:11] <DanChapman> elfy yes thats all thats needed to determine we can introspect it
[18:11] <elfy> got a whole bunch of errors in terminals
[18:12] <DanChapman> elfy just installing abiword to take a look :-)
[18:13] <elfy> I'll screenshot it all - easiest
[18:13] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh, your locked out of your launchpad account, hm
[18:14] <Letozaf_> balloons, my yubikey broke and I had just changed ROM on my phones
[18:14] <DanChapman> elfy http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041258/ should look like this
[18:14] <Letozaf_> balloons, so I have nothing left for 2 factor autenthication
[18:14] <Letozaf_> balloons, what a mess :(
[18:14] <elfy> DanChapman: http://imagebin.org/269141
[18:15] <Letozaf_> balloons, I sent a mail to isd-support@canonical.com for fixing but it is taking long
[18:16] <balloons> Letozaf_, when did you send the mail along?
[18:16] <DanChapman> elfy, thats a perfect screenshot, i am filing a bug for that today, there seems to be a dbus error at the moment causing slow loading tests. Can i include you shot in the bug report. paste of the terminal would be good aswell :-)
[18:17] <Letozaf_> balloons, on the 25th of August the first and one yesterday and one just a fiew minutes ago
[18:18] <DanChapman> elfy on a good note though abiword is introsepctable.
[18:18] <elfy> DanChapman: I thought it was
[18:18] <elfy> yep - feel free to include it
[18:19] <DanChapman> elfy cheers
[18:20] <elfy> DanChapman: I did start doing some work on what worked with autopilot a while back - needs me to recheck it but it at least got started - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Saucy/AutopilotTesting
[18:21] <elfy> DanChapman: when you do the bug can you subscribe me to it - elfy is lp name too
[18:23] <DanChapman> elfy thats awesome!! I didn't know you had done a list already :-) Yes no problem will subscribe you, if i remember right there's also a xubuntu tag which i'll add aswell :-)
[18:23] <elfy> k
[18:24] <elfy> DanChapman:  it might actually be better if someone more at one with autopilot to doublecheck what I did ... if they had time ;)
[18:25] <DanChapman> elfy, no problem I will give them a once over. The list of apps is a godsend  anyway so thanks :-)
[18:25] <elfy> that would be really appreciated :)
[18:31] <balloons> Letozaf_, do you have an assigned ticket number or anything?
[18:33] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes Canonical ISD Support #37614.
[18:35] <Letozaf_> balloons, actually I sent two emails so I also have this one: Canonical ISD Support #37573
[18:35] <Letozaf_> balloons, so not sure witch one they kept of the two
[18:57] <knome> commented on the pad
[19:02] <elfy> knome: +1 to that - I too am confident in the payoff
[19:12] <phillw> elfy: what do you think the easier way is? Can I add in a column for lubuntu so that we can cross-check which are common to both of our flavours?
[19:13] <phillw> DanChapman: also your thoughts on this, please.
[19:13] <elfy> phillw: alternatively maybe a new wiki that has space for any flavour who wants to use it
[19:15] <phillw> elfy: I can do that :D It was something myself and balloons did discuss in the past. A master table of applications and then a column for each flavour as to if they use them, or not.
[19:15] <phillw> once a test case works, it will be flavour agnostinc.
[19:15] <elfy> yep
[19:16] <elfy> maybe a master list would be useful - with a checkbox - maybe using a letter to signify a flavour with a link at the bottom to specific flavour info
[19:16] <phillw> I'll get a test page set up tonight. Then people can comment on it / edit it before it goes live.
[19:16] <elfy> ok
[19:27] <DanChapman> phillw, elfy a single page for any flavour sounds like a good idea. :-)
[19:28] <phillw> DanChapman: I'll get a page created tonight.
[20:32] <balloons> I guess we can talk here about it thomi as DanChapman has a paste showing the dbus error. DanChapman did you file a bug?
[20:34] <thomi> link me the paste?
[20:35] <balloons> thomi, ahh found it finally, heh http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041013/
[20:37] <DanChapman> balloons: screenshot from elfy aswell trying to launch abiword
[20:37] <phillw> balloons: DanChapman 1st draft is up. Elfy has sanity checked it for my idea of how it should look. I'll crack on with getting the Xu and Lu bits filled in shortly. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/AutopilotTesting can you both have a look and ensure it is what you envisioned and for DanChapman will this format be of use to you?
[20:39] <DanChapman> balloons: forgot the link lol http://imagebin.org/269141
[20:40] <balloons> ok well, thomi DanChapman let's file a bug and follow up with senan on the list I think'
[20:41] <phillw> DanChapman: for "works", if not a 'Y' then I suggest either something like [1], [2], [3] which will be explained at the bottom of the table? along the lines of *, **, *** that exists in the xubuntu page that I've based the idea off.
[20:42] <DanChapman> phillw: yeah looks good to me and applications can be easily added as required
[20:42] <phillw> okies, I'll crack on, then let all the teams know of its existence :)
[20:43] <DanChapman> balloons can i file it in the morning. My other half is biting my ear about dinner :-S
[20:43] <phillw> food wins everytime :)
[20:44] <balloons> no worries, I'll file the bug then
[20:44] <DanChapman> see you all tomorrow folks :-) balloons thanks
[20:44] <balloons> ty for rooting the issue out
[20:46] <thomi> balloons: so... that might actually be fine
[20:46] <thomi> there's a few messages in that that look like failures but actually aren't
[20:46] <thomi> balloons: I don't see a test failure in there, so...
[20:52] <balloons> thomi, filing the bug showing the time difference, and we'll start digging
[20:52] <thomi> balloons: ok, so the problem is just that it's slower? but everything still works?
[20:53] <balloons> thomi, yes.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041717
[20:54] <thomi> balloons: wow, that' smuch slower
[20:54] <thomi> it shouldn't be that bad
[21:18] <balloons> I'll file the bug but I can't confirm it today
[21:47] <phillw> knome: could you PM me elfy's email address please? Thanks.
[21:50] <phillw> or email it to phillw@ubuntu.com
[22:18] <phillw> forestpiskie: grab the Lubuntu.gnumeric spread sheet from http://phillw.net/temp/ I've used the file-names from /usr/share/applications in my 13.10 installation to get most of the ones I recognise as being candidates. Please add any others on, re-sort it and email it back to me on phillw@ubuntu.com
[23:47] <Noskcaj_> Where are the blueprints for UDS? I won't be able to attend due to age and timezonr