[05:01] Can't wait for this [05:18] :) === Sweetsha1k is now known as Sweetshark === asd is now known as Guest40240 [12:49] lol irc exist again.. same thing for chanserv lol [12:50] * calbo23 slaps asac around a bit with a large trout [12:50] ho yes the slap option run again ! [12:50] calbo23, it never ceased to exist [12:50] for me yes lol [12:51] ho je crois on parle francais :-) [12:51] speak french here ? [12:52] calbo23, no, this one is english [12:52] #ubuntu-fr maybe? [12:52] okok :-) [13:34] hi === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-1 to: Track: Community | Flavors Quality Assurance | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21839/community-1308-quality-flavors/ === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [13:57] if anyone wishes to join the hangout, let me know [14:02] balloons_uds: i'll join you, can't have you on your own again :-P [14:02] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/951e00ecb72f5f09253c59a84ea04cb19e925ebb?authuser=1&hl=en [14:02] feel free to join [14:04] balloons_uds: you can also add me :) [14:07] balloons: [14:07] how to join :/ [14:07] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/951e00ecb72f5f09253c59a84ea04cb19e925ebb?authuser=1&hl=en [14:07] that should allow you to join ^^ [14:08] yes, give me 2 mins [14:09] hmm, plugin down-loading... 10 mins [14:09] same here :( [14:12] balloons_uds: g= is freezing up on me at the min [14:12] give me 2 mins [14:20] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOMEOneStopPage [14:21] balloons: [14:21] send me a link to the meeting plz [14:21] I close it by mistake :( [14:22] amjjawad: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/951e00ecb72f5f09253c59a84ea04cb19e925ebb?authuser=1&hl=en [14:22] Darn google, i'll do it from irc. THe current ubiquity tests i have run on ubuntu, xubuntu and lubuntu and they all worked. I am going to be doing an overhaul on the ubiquity tests to update them to using the autopilotgtkemulator, currently it has been hard to fix alot of the timing issues which the emulator should help with and also make the tests language independent, currently they only support English installs which wil [14:22] l soon be changed in the overhaul. There are plans to extend the tests to supporting dual-boot against windows as this is a common place of problems aswell as tests for upgrading, re-installing and 'crazy partition' layouts :-) [14:22] You're not allowed to join this video call. [14:22] it says: You're not allowed to join this video call. [14:22] weird O_o [14:23] amjjawad: I am having the same problem [14:23] DanChapman: that is bad :( [14:25] Does the server CD/DVD qualify as a flavor? [14:25] can amjjawad and DanChapman send me an email, I'll invite [14:25] amjjawad [14:25] amjjawad@gmail.com [14:26] balloons_uds: danchapman1819@gmail.com [14:28] why everything is kicking me out :/ [14:28] grrrr [14:28] Not sure if this is the place to bring this up... I was thinking about creating a team that would work on DNS server and other software related to DNSSEC, some of which is officially part of the server team's packages, but others are not. Assuming we get people to create the tests for the packages, how then would we get access to run the tests? [14:29] balloons: technical issues? [14:29] balloons_uds: no luck for me mate. [14:32] Are any test automatically run whenever we build something on Launchpad? [14:32] sorry about that, laptop has over heated and shut down :( On my Sisters one (phillw) [14:32] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests [14:33] Some of the software isn't server software, for exampl dnssec-tools.org has patched things like ssh and lftp to use DNSSEC. [14:34] https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Saucy/view/AutoPkgTest/ [14:35] http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/auto-pkg-test.html [14:35] Cool, Thank you! [14:35] rossball:no worries [14:35] any comments to share on what's going on? [14:37] for lubuntu, the push will come post 13.10 for writing up missing test-cases as we head for our 1st LTS in 14.04. We had some test cases already done, and elfy from xubuntu has been kid enough to add some more (we also can use some the xubuntu ones where we both use the same application) [14:37] s/kid/kind [14:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/CommunicationsTeam/WOWLubuntu/StartUbuntu [14:53] 38.99% Desktops could be XP, see http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Windows-8-Windows-XP-Market-Share-Windows-98-Zombie,21341.html [14:54] If that is right, Ubuntu could get millions of new users next year. [14:57] ty everyone! [14:58] hi === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-1 to: Track: Community | Improving UDS | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21903/improving-uds/ [15:00] amjjawad1, hop over in #ubuntu-quality if you have a couple extra mins [15:07] jono, you are live here [15:07] hi [15:07] if anyone wants to join the session, join: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/ebe5bb4ef4d0a37714443a09f44138b54c744d3a?authuser=0&hl=en [15:07] Jono, I want your job. How do I get it? [15:08] CheeseBurg, trust me, you *don't* want his job. you just see the fun parts. [15:08] wow this is lagged [15:09] bjf, I assume it is all fun [15:09] I can see you [15:09] hey jono can I join? [15:09] rickspencer3, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/ebe5bb4ef4d0a37714443a09f44138b54c744d3a?authuser=0&hl=en [15:09] etherpad: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-improving-uds [15:10] wow! huge lag [15:10] almost 2 minutes [15:11] Insane lag [15:11] refresh your page [15:18] rickspencer3: yeah marketing was the wrong word. sorry. [15:18] airurando, no apologies! [15:18] :) [15:21] one of the impossible things to do in vUds is the "hallway" conversations that happened all the time at non-virt uds [15:22] jono: fyi, every time you type and talk, you get muted and we hear half what you say [15:22] would it be worth while to have various teams run "open" sessions where they just hung out for an hour and people could pop in/out and ask questions? [15:23] bjf: that's kinda the round table in the morning [15:23] popey, yes [15:23] the kernel team certainly has gotten away from round-table sessions [15:25] "hey look at this cool thing i hacked up" [15:25] popey, bjf do you guys wanted to just join? [15:26] rickspencer3, no [15:26] :-) [15:26] lol [15:26] rickspencer3: many loco teams are winding down, not just your local one [15:26] rickspencer3: thats my view as a bystander [15:27] rickspencer3, i'm loosing my kernel creds just being in this session :-) [15:33] i will say that though i'm negative about the lag but g+ hangouts really are quite fantastic [15:34] i don't think mumble would work at all [15:37] rickspencer3: perhaps because decisions aren't often made at UDS anymore? [15:37] rickspencer3: so there's less "ta-da" for the press to report on [15:37] both negative and positive 'news' like application decisions [15:38] rickspencer3: also people in our own community aren't in the sessions and they're the people who socialse our sessions, negating the need for press to sit through videos [15:39] (see next item on list for context for above) [15:39] i.e. fewer community people tweeting about stuff [15:40] e.g. I made a video showing the really awesome new first run wizard, and it's had ~20 views. in previous UDSs that would be newsworthy and would have hundreds of views [15:42] popey, want to join: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/ebe5bb4ef4d0a37714443a09f44138b54c744d3a?authuser=0&hl=en [15:42] sure [15:44] lower third is busted for me :/ [15:49] Should we increase the times of UDS and allow for scheduling of sessions to be done around the time zones for the major required participants? [15:49] so popey broke the schedules [15:52] \o/ [15:55] I'm wondering if a physical UDS should be after the LTS.. the cycle leading up to LTS shouldn't be about features and such as much as stability [15:55] but a UDS after LTS could be used to plan the path towards the next LTS [15:55] jono popey ^ [15:55] cjohnston, yeah, I agree [15:56] also, we need to keep a high level of focus on Touch [15:57] jono, hey, I need to drop [15:57] sorry [15:58] rickspencer3, np === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-1 to: Track: Community | Community Roundtable - Thu | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21902/community-roundtable-thu/ [16:01] thanks all [16:02] Oh dear, did I miss the session? [16:07] Are we still having the Thursday community roundtable? [16:07] Ah, there we go. I see the live stream kicking in now. [16:08] apologies for being late, we'll be starting shortly [16:09] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/4c363057f89bd043236cb46da32f5b785fde09fe?authuser=1&hl=en for anybody who wants to join the fishbowl [16:10] Hello mhall119! [16:10] Live [16:11] mhall119: I can see you :) [16:11] Listened to a session from yesterday, mentioned not spending as much time with "just a user". Since I am one (though tech oriented) I have to say that there are so many places I can go and get interaction if I care to, there can't be much of a complaint. I have converted 4 families (non tech) who are "just users" and frankly they don't care. Ubu [16:11] ntu works for them, they love it, I no longer have to reinstall windows every 6-8 months and everyone is happy. [16:12] * skellat is trying to get the hangout plugin re-installed [16:13] dshimer, jono was talking about how the canonical team allocates their work right now [16:14] mhall119, yep [16:15] * skellat is grabbing headphones really fast [16:15] asomething: Get that, I'm just saying between the weekly updates, other hangouts, blogs, etc, I practically feel "like I'm there", if I care to be that is. [16:15] mhall119, not sure I've got much to say [16:19] i think there was a session on LoCo stuff this morning: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21868/country-teams/ [16:22] staying with ubuntu is not the goal. Ubuntu is still the best user friendly distribution. If people wants to change their distribution, it's fine, help them, but let them know they can always promote also ubuntu to their friends [16:22] QUESTION: Sorry, I slipped away for a second, what exactly is skellat opposed to as it regards LoCos? I just missed a couple sentences. [16:23] I haven't become a member in part the process seems a bit too bureaucratic. [16:25] The Virginia Loco isn't really happening and recently I learned at least 4 people tried to revive it without success. If I could attend some events I would more likely be a member. [16:25] http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/map/user [16:30] linuxtech: I feel that no matter what I do or try to do I will never become an Ubuntu member :( [16:31] No events... [16:31] skellat: I originally didn't have a point just needed where you were coming from (thanks). However as I listen; isn't there something in between though? I'm in Columbus and though I may never contribute I have never even looked into a LoCo as a gathering place or connection point because I know there isn't anything here. Maybe LoCos aren't the pl [16:31] ace for just everyday users who don't really contribute. [16:31] I am in a rural area, an hour or two to Hampton Roads or Richmond. [16:33] hoping for the best, more likely saturday because of work. [16:33] dshimer: http://ohiolinux.org/friday [16:34] dshimer: http://ohiolinux.org/registration [16:34] dshimer: I should still be at our table [16:34] Come and visit [16:34] (the video/hangout is blocked on one camera ?) [16:35] I am a bit behind the stream... I haven't tried to do any events. === Leon is now known as Guest79173 [16:35] YoBoY: My camera is borked on this camera [16:35] I mean this machine [16:35] The machine with the working camera is inaccessible to me [16:35] steven [16:35] Rarley I have gone to twuug.org meetings, but they rarely announce the topics ahead of time and that doesm't lead to really good talks. [16:36] mhall119: it seems more to be about achievements rather than participation [16:36] better mhall119 [16:37] I will try to record my talk about becoming a member on September 13th and get it released on the Burning Circle feed [16:37] +1 don't wait for people to organise an event, do it yourself, just go out with the friend and anounce this "event" on ML, loco portal, twitter, … [16:38] I once ran a local non-profit ISP, and that was 6 months after after answering to answer phones. It didn't involve applications until I became Executive Director some years later. [16:38] volunteering to answer phones... [16:39] One of our loco member is behind the biggest ubuntu event in France and he's not an ubuntu member (never applied) [16:39] YoBoY: We need to fix that! :-) [16:39] skellat, why ? it's his choice ;) [16:39] olive [16:40] You asked about the application process for becoming a member, my point is usually it's easy to volunteer for unpaid jobs. [16:40] there is also the langage barrier to apply, he don't speak english [16:40] there are regional membership boards [16:41] but, I will fix that in the future, it's on my todo list to rule the world :D [16:44] I have been using Debian and Ubuntu since 1996. [16:45] And administrating, it as well as getting dozens, or more, of people running it. [16:46] in my loco we need more people to step up, lot of followers, but not enought leaders :] [16:48] I am working on something that advocates DNSSEC and DANE, but that isn't limited to Linux or Ubuntu. [16:49] !D [16:49] Get LUG's to also become part of the Loco scene, why shouldn't Fedora and Ubuntu people interact! [16:49] nobody can beat french locoteam, forget about it :D [16:50] :-P [16:50] mhall119: it seems locos are dying somewhat? [16:50] or is that just mine? [16:51] is it the membership leaving to other distros and new people not being recruited? [16:51] mhall119: ok, missed the start sorry [16:51] popey, not just yours, lot of "old" members quit (life, unity, amazon…) and no "new" members to step up and replace them for my team [16:52] also, android [16:52] I'm seeing a lot of people buying ios and android devices [16:52] less need for ubuntu for those people [16:52] so they move on [16:52] seems the people who remain are either hardcore, or more LUG types and many of them have computers ubuntu doesn't work well on [16:54] Sure, we;re in a lul between unity 7 / compiz, and unity 8 / mir [16:54] perhaps in 2014 we'll have ubuntu able to run on leaner kit [16:54] In Ohio, Unity causes disharmony too [16:54] I've almost got that dealt [16:54] with [16:55] makes me sad ☹ [16:56] Thanks [16:56] popey, we worked hard on that this year and it's starting to work and we have new members who wants to make things appen :) [16:56] popey: We can engage in that colloquy via e-mail [16:56] thanks everyone [16:57] thanks all [16:57] Thank you everybody! === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-1 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/community-1/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/08/29/%23ubuntu-uds-community-1.html === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-1 to: Track: Community | Rick Spencer | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21962/engineering-management-qa/ [17:56] Hello [18:00] o/ jibel [18:01] Hey rickspencer3 [18:01] or should I say "bonsoir jibel?" [18:01] oops [18:01] «bonsoir» [18:02] indeed, bonsoir Monsieur, and the session in French please ;) [18:03] en français? [18:03] hey guys [18:03] hi pandu [18:03] is any body there [18:04] :) [18:04] waddup \ [18:04] i have posted a query to ubuntu app development [18:06] jono, we can see ya [18:06] Hello world [18:06] hi bnjmn [18:06] We can see you [18:07] a/v working fine [18:07] Hello! in Thailand we can see you [18:07] Hello from Tunisia :) [18:07] we can see you [18:07] hi emijawdo :) [18:08] jono: hello [18:09] lots of lag [18:10] hello [18:10] QUESTION: how's ubuntu 13.10 going to deal with hybrid graphic cards drivers ? thank you :) [18:10] QUESTION: I have heard news about Canonical working to make Ubuntu phones happen, is there work with hardware partners to build a tablet built for Ubuntu Touch? [18:12] get your questions in, folks! [18:12] say the word QUESTION and then your question [18:12] e.g: [18:12] QUESTION: why do you foo? [18:13] QUESTION: What are the primary steps that Canonical / Ubuntu wants to do after the indiegogo campaign failed? [18:13] QUESTION: When will tabs be usable on the desktop? So painful with a mouse! =P [18:14] QUESTION: are you going to have a second run with EDGE ? maybe with someone more experienced in mobile [18:15] QUESTION :are there any discussions with Nokia to make an Ubuntu phone ? I read they avoided Android just because they didn't want to be the second or third best constructer for Android, sorry for my bad english [18:15] The hybrid graphics stuff could be better answered by 'tseliot' on freenode. [18:16] more questions? [18:16] be sure to get them in and Rick can answer them [18:16] QUESTION: Now that August is almost over, so what are the next goals for September ("Sands" or "pebbles" maybe!)? (In reference to the "Big Rocks" goals of August. [18:16] remember, feel free to ask about anything! [18:19] jono [18:19] rickspencer3, on tthe oml apps like in the app you demonstrated [18:19] s/oml/qml/ [18:19] QUESTION: Is negotiation of content distribution the primary thing that has held up Ubuntu TV? [18:20] QUESTION: How ubuntu's feature is going to be better than other linux distros, mostly from user side, ease of use, 3rd party support etc. [18:20] thank you infinity . [18:22] QUESTION: Will Ubuntu TV be running with mir? How good does Mir work by now? Do you think it is good enough to 'power' 13.10 without major glitches? [18:22] Will ubuntu 14.04 be more friendly with hybrid graphics, both AMD and NVIDIA? === eli is now known as Guest33544 [18:23] it was answered [18:24] pr16: I can just answer that with a "yes". [18:25] QML is a blast :) [18:25] hello! [18:26] QUESTION: ubuntu sdk now supports QML and HTML5, are there any plans to support any other languages like Java for example ? [18:27] QUESTION: What are Ubuntu's plans for supporting DNSSEC, DANE and other related security protocols? Please include plans for infrastructure, application and server support, and any planned time lines. [18:27] QUESTION [Off topic a bit) Does ubuntu offer scholarships or international internships ? [18:28] QUESTION: is there any plan to move to systemd ? [18:29] Question: Will there be any new services offered through ubuntu one in the future? [18:30] QUESTION: With Ubuntu Touch we now use a lot more Git; what's the future of Bzr in Ubuntu like? (I also noticed that the bugs for adding git support to launchpad didn't get closed Won't fix like they have in the past) [18:30] thx [18:31] QUESTION: would you consider producing a small device to put Ubuntu TV on existing HDMI TVs? Essentially, Google's Chromecast device, which you may have seen, but with Ubuntu TV. [18:35] get your questions in, folks! [18:36] all questions are welcome :-) [18:36] linuxtech: you want to find jdstrand on #ubuntu-security [18:36] feel free to ask about anything and Rick is happy to answer it [18:36] linuxtech: bind9 has supported DNSSEC for ages, and DANE support is happening upstream, and what's happening there is also in saucy. [18:37] rickspencer3: we also hire people from the community ☻ [18:37] :D [18:39] nice , i might check with the local community [18:39] The UE empire grows? :-) [18:40] Question: Where to learn QML? Documentation is not very useful if you are not familiar with Qt and c++. [18:40] QUESTION: What is the one thing you love and the one thing you hate about Ubuntu personally? (like "Hate: no cat wallpapers") [18:40] lol [18:40] lol [18:40] cjwatson: I assume we get duchies at some point. [18:40] raven, good question :-) [18:41] QUESTION: is canonical involved in development of new linux kernel versions or is it just adding stuff needed to existing builds [18:42] QUESTION what's your position on linux mint and do you think that you should may be follow their methods (a question i always tend to ask you guys) [18:43] QUESTION: KDE is working on "KDE Connect" which allows a kde desktop to do things like read and respond to text messages from a paired android phone. Could such functionality fit into Ubuntu's vision? [18:43] rickspencer3: yes, lag [18:43] rickspencer3: meow [18:44] QUESTION: what will you do after the achievement of the convergence? [18:44] can u help me ubuntu 13.4 problem [18:44] ubuntu logout but open not showing by desktop [18:45] Digia docs are great for learning QML [18:45] Lots of great examples in the open source Ubuntu Touch apps [18:46] help [18:46] Great, thx! [18:47] sharif: please visit #ubuntu for support [18:47] QUESTION: Do you think that people who don't like Unity should leave the core Ubuntu community and go to a flavour/alternative distro, or do you think that it's better for them to bring up their issues with Unity in the hope that those issues get fixed? [18:48] aquarius: How is that an either/or decision? Can't they do both? :) [18:48] aquarius: (Also, I think it's unfortunate to claim that flavours aren't part of the core Ubuntu community, it's all one community and we all work in the same archive) [18:49] infinity, you are right, and that was badly phrased. I don't know how to talk about "Ubuntu (the unity bit)" [18:49] QUESTION: Can you run normal apps (like Firefox) on Unity Next? [18:49] so apologies to anyone who thought that I was suggesting that flavours are not core. If there's a better word for that, I'd like to know it so I can use it! [18:51] aquarius: Given the lag, I dunno if Rick will get there before time's up anyway, but I honestly don't see it as a dichotomy. One can bring up their issues with Unity and go play with Ubuntu-GNOME or Xubuntu or Kubuntu for a while and have fun there, and always come back and try Unity again later (in fact, I did this a few cycles ago, and I'm about as core as core gets). [18:51] yeah gpu drivers are the main reason i keep using windows, dxva for 1080i video especially [18:51] methods : more user involved in dev + ideas [18:52] Clarification: I was talking Ubuntu to Ubuntu, not Ubuntu to Android. Sorry about the confusion. [18:56] o/ [18:56] is this the bit where rick plays some guitar? I understand that's what happens at the end of these Q&A sessions [18:56] indeed [18:56] OFFTOPIC QUESTION: Do you have cats? How many cats are there in total at Canonical? (You too, Jono) [18:57] Thanks! [18:57] thank you, rickspencer3 (and jono, despite how he was mean to me :)) [18:57] hah [18:57] thank you guys for your answers [18:57] aquarius, serious, what was that all about? [18:57] lol [18:58] will the "Final Wrap Up" use this same channel? [18:58] thank you rick! [18:58] leedev, looks like #ubuntu-uds-plenary [18:58] thank you === udsbotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-community-1 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/community-1/ - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/08/29/%23ubuntu-uds-community-1.html [20:44] Question: [20:48] I am a software developer but so far have been working on Windows platform only. Recently after working on Linux Ubuntu I was intrigued with the open source capabilities. I am Using ubuntu on vmware over Windows 8. I was trying to work with aircrack but whenever I try to use it, it simply says that wlan is already in use. Alternatively I thought ma [20:48] y be because the Windows 8 is connected to wifi using it so ubuntu could not put it in monitor mode. But even after disconnecting it from the network. Aircrack still shows the same message. However, when I'm connected to wifi network on Windows8, i am able to use internet on ubuntu [20:51] gauravWorking, ask on ubuntu-devel [20:52] Also drivers for nvidia gtx 680m graphics card for a stand alone ubuntu installation are messing things up. There are forums I followed but everyone is giving altogether a different perspective to that. [20:52] k === vlaad is now known as VLaaD [21:01] Hi, what is the IDE you are using in this stream? === marrusl is now known as marrusl_afk === marrusl_afk is now known as marrusl [22:58] Hello