[13:54] <YoBoY> hi
[13:58] <dholbach> hey hey
[13:58] <philipballew> hello YoBoY
[13:58] <dholbach> who wants to join in on the hangout?
[13:59] <dholbach> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-country-teams for notes
[14:00] <YoBoY> dholbach, why not, but I don't know if I will talk ;)
[14:13] <rickspencer3> o/
[14:16] <airurando> can people not join two teams on the LTP?
[14:19] <dholbach> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/
[14:19] <dholbach> airurando, want to join in as well?
[14:19] <YoBoY> bonjour rickspencer3
[14:20] <rickspencer3> bonjour YoBoY
[14:20] <airurando> dholbach: no thanks I'm happy in here
[14:20] <YoBoY> airurando, yes you can be on two teams
[14:22] <airurando> YoBoY: would it not be easy to ask people in adjacent locos to join both so that events in both areas would be available to them?
[14:24] <YoBoY> don't know ^^ I think people in that case are already doing that (not joining the locoteams but register to the different informations sources like ML, facebook, loco portal, …)
[14:45] <airurando1> if the LoCo Team weekly Hangout kicks off (and I hope it does) where will this be announced and advertised?
[14:46] <YoBoY> I was not very helpfull ^^"
[14:46]  * dholbach hugs YoBoY
[14:46] <dholbach> airurando1, definitely on the loco-contacts list, probably on the fridge?
[14:46] <dholbach> I don't know
[14:46] <YoBoY> I think this can be anounced on the loco council blog and promoted on the fridge
[14:46]  * YoBoY hugs dholbach 
[14:46] <dholbach> maybe philipballew can take note to spread the news as far as possible :)
[14:47] <dholbach> YoBoY, do you have good ties to the french translators?
[14:47] <dholbach> I could need some help with some unreviewed strings in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-packaging-guide/ ;-)
[14:47] <dholbach> basically the whole guide is translated into French!
[14:47] <YoBoY> dholbach, yes, sure, why ? :)
[14:48] <YoBoY> ok, you want me to HL them to review this quickly ? :D
[14:48] <airurando> thanks dholbach, YoBoY and philipballew
[14:48] <philipballew> thank you as well airurando
[14:49] <dholbach> YoBoY, I mean it's not urgent - I just saw that the translations are all there and that it would be nice if we could get the level of completeness up to >= 70%
[14:49] <dholbach> because then we can publish it and put it into the archive :)
[14:50] <YoBoY> ok :) I'll send them an email to review that
[15:01] <lool> hangout URL?
[15:02] <dholbach> anyone else who wants to join in?
[15:02] <cjwatson> yes please
[15:02] <beuno> I can join if there are any myapps questions
[15:03] <beuno> not sure that there will though
[15:03] <cjwatson> well, your answer is "not for 13.10", right? :)
[15:03] <dholbach> beuno, I guess we can ping you
[15:03] <elopio> dholbach: I want to join.
[15:03] <dholbach> anyone else?
[15:03] <beuno> I'll listen in
[15:03] <beuno> cjwatson, you know me so well!
[15:04] <dholbach> notes are here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-community-1308-qml-extensions
[15:04] <cjwatson> I'll be slightly laggy at first, probably, doing a somewhat bandwidth-intensive bit of LP testing
[15:05] <alecu> has it started yet?
[15:05] <gatox_> alecu: it seems not
[15:06] <elopio> it's starting.
[15:06] <alecu> yay
[15:06] <dholbach> :-D
[15:06] <dholbach> please help taking notes
[15:08] <jdstrand> huh, I only have audio
[15:08] <dholbach> I can see Zoltan just fine
[15:10] <gatox_> QUESTION: how is going to be handled when i want to install an app that depends on some qml plugin to be installed but that plugin is not part of the system by default?
[15:11] <cjwatson> I think we'll get to that
[15:12] <dholbach> can somebody help taking notes? :)
[15:13] <sergiusens> jdstrand: I ran into that a bit, browser issue
[15:13] <jdstrand> dholbach: weird, it is black here. video worked in the previous session
[15:13] <sergiusens> gatox_: that's the topic of discussion :-)
[15:13] <dholbach> anyone else with the same problem as jdstrand^?
[15:13]  * jdstrand restarts the browser
[15:14] <jdstrand> that worked
[15:14] <jdstrand> weird
[15:14] <dholbach> yeah, weird
[15:16] <jdstrand> yes-- the reverse domains could allow for sharing between app developers in apparmor too
[15:17] <jdstrand> it would require work in click-apparmor and possibly an update to the security manifest (needs to be discussed, but we designed it so this should be possible in the future)
[15:17] <cjwatson> right
[15:37] <alecu> QUESTION: perhaps we can also list the contras to having extensions?
[15:38] <alecu> like dependency issues
[15:38] <alecu> (dll hell)
[15:38] <dobey> writing c++ and compiling it for multiple archs
[15:40] <doko> cjwatson, are qml extensions built using qmake, or cmake?
[15:41] <dobey> yes
[15:41] <dobey> doko: some use qmake, some use cmake; depends on who writes it and what system they prefer
[15:41] <bzoltan> dobey: doko:99.99% qmake
[15:41] <doko> hooray
[15:42] <alecu> yay
[15:42] <bzoltan> dobey: doko: as 99.98% comes from Qt
[15:42] <cjwatson> doko: aha, you're here
[15:42] <dobey> bzoltan: right. that's probable to change when people who aren't Qt write some
[15:43] <cjwatson> doko: how did you get on with the multiarch stack for qml extensions?
[15:43] <bzoltan> dobey:  maybe
[15:43] <cjwatson> I know you got partway up that stack but I couldn't report on how far
[15:43] <dobey> do we want to shove libraries in the click packages of things that depend on them?
[15:44] <cjwatson> that's going to be the reality for 13.10, for things not in the base sdk
[15:44] <doko> cjwatson, never touched it
[15:44] <dobey> it just sounds like it will be a horrible pain if any of those libraries have security updates that need pushed out
[15:45] <cjwatson> it will
[15:45] <alecu> dobey: our security model depends on the container. The apps are very restricted on what they can do\
[15:45] <cjwatson> but there's not much we can do for 13.10
[15:45] <cjwatson> doko: huh, I thought it was on your plate
[15:45] <cjwatson> doko: didn't you do some work on qt multiarch metadata?
[15:46] <doko> no, that was making unity & friends cross-buildable
[15:47] <wolfslord> what about using plain github repositories together with a package repository or list? Something like npm, or Composer
[15:47] <cjwatson> doko: maybe there was a communications problem.  I'll talk to Steve, I think we need to budget time for this somewhere
[15:48] <sergiusens> lool: GoogleTalkPlugin makes my fans go wild
[15:51] <netcurli> but right now you have to tweak things to get other libraries that get linked to it
[15:52] <lool> sergiusens: eh
[15:52] <dholbach> PPAs might be a problematic in terms of work-flow, as people will have to set up GPG keys, sign up to Launchpad, upload the keys and stuff
[15:54] <cjwatson> OTOH the overarching design is that this is for a minority of developers
[15:56] <dholbach> mh, it'd be interesting to hear from the app competition how many folks used c++ code
[15:57] <alecu> dholbach: gatox_ used c++ for his apps
[15:58] <alecu> (or at least, he wanted to use c++ for oauth, not sure if he moved forward with it)
[15:59] <dobey> alecu: one shouldn't need to, for plain oauth, if using online-accounts, i think
[16:00] <alecu> dobey: he wanted to login against his custom web site, and there's no UOA for it
[16:00] <alecu> dobey: and making a UOA plugin for it sounded like overkill
[16:01] <dobey> alecu: making a UOA plug-in for normal oauth is pretty easy. and UOA is the way to add accounts to use on the system
[16:01] <dobey> alecu: apps aren't supposed to be doing their own account management, afaik
[16:01] <dobey> anyway, session is over :)
[16:02]  * dobey goes to different room