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moodoomorning all06:58
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popeyGood morning07:16
AlanBellmorning07:27
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)08:06
bashrchello08:08
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mungbeanwhat's the convention for dealing with emails from google recruiters?08:25
popeymungbean: depends if you're interested or not really08:31
diddledan_it's google, of course he's interested :-p08:31
directhexwell... google send out a LOT of speculative recruiter mail08:31
directhexonly a tiny fraction of people who pass the phone interview then pass the meatspace interview08:32
mungbeanyes directhex , so is it OK to ignore08:32
Laneyi usually get repeatedly hassled if i try that one08:32
Laneyto ever increasing numbers of email addresses, including work ones08:33
directhexmungbean, if you want to jump through hoops for the slim possibility of a 60 hour a week job in london, then reply08:33
directhexotherwise, ignore08:33
mungbeani used to do that in my 20s..got burnt out..only just recovering08:33
directhexsee also http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-12-19/08:33
mungbeani think the crazy working life will calm down soon now they are a mature company08:36
mungbeanlots of the startup trendies will leave08:36
bigcalmTalking of crazy hours, is davmor2 on holiday or been shipped off to the USA?08:37
mungbeanmaybe its a good idea to send them my cv and say pop that on your file for later08:38
Laneyjust say "No thanks, but I'll contact you if my circumstances change"08:39
directhexthey don't need your cv08:39
directhexthey know how to find it on bing.08:39
mungbeannobody has it08:40
bigcalmFnar08:40
diddledan_googlers bing for CVs? is that because the google index is too vast? and can bing be used as a verb in that way similarly to google?08:41
mungbeani would love to see the meeting where they decided bing was a good name08:41
mungbeani just wrote "rack unitys" in an email08:42
diddledan_I don't believe they did decide it was a good name. they just decided it was a name08:42
mungbeanfingers want to type unity08:42
Laneybing demonstrates the power of the focus group to come up with inspiring brand ideas08:43
mungbeani'm launching a new search engine called bishbashbosh08:43
mungbeanjust bishbashbosh it08:43
diddledan_lol08:44
diddledan_what about "wibble"?08:44
shaunoyou can't wibble it.  not even just a little bit.  it sounds too much like a 90s flashback08:46
dwatkinsHow about flibble?08:46
dwatkinsYou could have plush characters called Mister Flibble and Mrs Flibble...08:47
diddledan_ooh aah just wibble it, ooh aah wibble it more!08:47
mungbeananyone tried the forthcoming gnome calendar app?08:48
* dwatkins has to put some music on to drown out the sounds of 80s pop running around in his head now08:49
mungbeani'll drown it out08:49
diddledan_:-)08:49
mungbeantongue-tied...leaving me tongue -tied tongue-tied08:49
dwatkinsningy nongy!08:49
mungbeannow get that sucker out of your head08:49
dwatkinsdarble derble08:50
mungbeanfrom my head down to my liver...08:50
dwatkinseasy, I have an e-mail from a German customer to translate and some nice loud psy trance drowning out any part of my brain that's not in use ;)08:50
shaunogerman customers are awesome.  there's no bug report like a german bug report.08:51
dwatkinsshauno: indeed, they point out the flaws in the documentation by taking it apart word-by-word08:51
mungbeani spent 10 hours on the phone to a german support company once08:51
mungbeancould have been fixed in 30 mins i reckon08:52
jpdsmungbean: Luxury, I spent months in Germany this year.08:52
dwatkinsmy German customers ask about lines in logfiles which most people would simply ignore08:52
mungbeani had to take toilet breaks while on the call08:52
jpdsdwatkins: It's all about prefection.08:52
dwatkinsjpds: prefection, you say08:53
bashrcI never liked being a prefect09:04
brobostigongood morning everyone,09:06
mungbeanmorning uncle brobostigon09:10
brobostigonmorning mungbean09:10
mungbeani was on the tube this morning and the driver braked hard then accelerated for another 50yds. woman fell over. two men leapt up to help her, she was ignoring them presumably as she was embarrassed at falling over :S09:11
mungbeanawkward09:11
brobostigonyes, definatly awkward, but they did the right thing, in trying to help her.09:12
DJonesGoogle/Android is getting clever, sharing wifi key's between devices, input a wifi key on one device, came to set up a 2nd device and it was already connected09:15
brobostigonyes, and can be useful, but you do wonder if that information is transferred encrypted or in cleartext.09:17
popeythats been around for quite some time I think09:17
DJonesI hadn't come across it, one of those 'Oh' moments09:18
NET||abusehi guys, i'm trying to pair an apple magic mouse to ubuntu, so system settings->bluetooth search for devices, Pin Options use 0000, find the mouse add it, it says device added, but then in the main blue tooth window the mouse is there but paired:no, connection: Off09:21
NET||abuseI try to flip the connection switch to on, it tries for a minute but fails.09:22
popeyNET||abuse: do you have hid-magicmouse loaded?09:22
popeylsmod | grep magic09:22
NET||abusenope, doesn't look like it :)09:23
popeyfilename:       /lib/modules/3.11.0-4-generic/kernel/drivers/hid/hid-magicmouse.ko09:23
popeylooks like it exists09:23
ikoniaI'd be interested in seeing how you find using a magic mouse09:23
ikonia(in linux)09:24
popey(on my saucy box)09:24
ikoniapopey: do you use one ?09:24
NET||abuseyup, i'll let you know, i just don't have another mouse right now.09:24
popeynope, i have a magic trackpad09:24
ikonianot quite the same,09:24
popeydont use that either now I have my keyboard to kill all keyboards09:24
popeyindeed09:24
NET||abusewell i hav a usb one, but my only 2 usb ports are taken up with ethernet adapter and keyboard09:24
ikoniapopey: keyboard to kill all keyboard, you can't drop that without details09:25
popeytrying to find a link09:25
popeyP/N 55Y909109:26
popeyhttp://www.amazon.com/ThinkPad-USB-Keyboard-with-TrackPoint/dp/B002ONCC6G09:26
popeythat09:26
popey(but UK layout)09:26
ikoniaahh, I know the one,09:26
ikoniaso you actually use that as your day to day keyboard. Interesting09:27
popeyyes09:27
popeytwo, one on laptop (in docking station) and one on desktop09:27
popeymeans I have the same layout whether on desk or lap09:27
popeyand never have to move hands from keyboard to use mouse09:27
mungbeanpopey: you might like this09:33
mungbeanhttps://github.com/chrisallenlane/cheat09:33
popeyi am aware of that ☻09:34
popeynice idea09:34
popeyin fact I'll add it to the notes for the podcast, ta09:34
AlanBellthat is a nice idea, just the interesting bits of man pages :)09:53
mungbeantrying to buy GTA chinatown for DS now :S09:53
mungbeanwe have problems with new users who are scared of CLI but have to use the cluster. this is ideal09:53
AlanBellCLI based GTA??09:54
mungbeantwo different threads..:P09:54
Laneyyou get points for rm-ing arbitrary files as root09:54
dwatkinshaha, that would be awesome (CLI GTA)09:55
mungbeanisnt that called dope wars?09:55
* dwatkins fondly remembers Twin Kingdom Valley and other such text-based adventure games09:55
mungbean\o/09:55
mungbeanopen grate09:55
mungbeanit is locked09:55
diddledan_unlock grate09:55
diddledan_>.<09:55
mungbeana grate is open09:55
mungbeanrendered the pics as u went along09:56
mungbeannevr actually finished it. i think i have some unfinished business in my life09:56
dwatkinsyeah, I just remember getting killed a lot in TKV by gorillas, but its simple pictures inspired me at the time09:59
popeyThere's still a bunch of people who make interactive fiction09:59
popeythere's a competition every year called ifcomp09:59
mungbeani looked at making some myself09:59
mungbeanthe app was quite involved and looks like hard work09:59
popeyhttp://ifcomp.org/09:59
popeygot a month left to enter http://ifcomp.org/comp13/schedule.html10:00
bashrcMaybe you could write an IF about attending a LUG or installing Gentoo.  "You see a command line prompt..."10:02
dwatkinsbashrc: I'm reminded of "L - a mathemagical adventure" in which you control a computer which is playing an adventure game...10:02
dwatkinsClearly the writers of the film Inception played this as children ;)10:03
mungbeanwow, freemind has made v1.010:44
shaunoso did calibre, after 7 years10:45
bashrcMaybe there coule be an IF about a UDS.  "You try to connect to a hangout..."  "You can see a man on the screen.  He appears to be playing a guitar"10:46
popeyczajkowski: http://imgur.com/gallery/DwdJdIc10:46
bigcalmOh my!10:47
czajkowskiawww10:47
czajkowski:D10:47
bigcalmEye brows are almost out of control. Do I enjoy the weird look as I age or allow them to be trimmed?10:50
directhexbigcalm, pluck them, leaving only the monobrow join in the middle10:53
directhexlike a little moustache on your forehead10:53
mungbeanmy terminal crashed :(10:53
mungbeanbut unusual10:53
mungbeannot sure i wanna go with freemind anymore..chrome apps seem to fill that gap now10:54
bigcalmdirecthex: hummmmm10:58
bigcalmNo10:59
directhexi'm tellin' ya, it'll be all the rage next year10:59
mungbeani have a file in /var/crash, why isn't ubuntu-bug adding it to the bug report?11:01
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NET||abusehmm, x1 only has  usb ports. bit of a challenge, need a port replicator11:12
NET||abusedisplay port works for now for external monitor, maybe i only need a usb hub11:12
shaunostrange question.  what would cause "." to have an unexpected size?11:36
directhexhowso?11:37
penguin42unexpected?11:37
shaunohttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6040001/   (that's the entire contents of the dir)11:37
shaunoI can't figure out why "." is 700K for an empty folder.  it's usually 4K11:38
penguin42shauno: It's just had zillions of files in at one point11:38
penguin42shauno: Or files with silly long names11:38
shaunohm, I guess I wasn't expecting it to stay inflated  (it's a maildir, so a zillion files is about right)11:39
slvrext3 doesn't11:40
slvrgarbage collect empty blocks in a directory11:40
penguin42what does ls -lsd of . say11:40
shauno704 drwxr-xr-x 2 soneil soneil 716800 2013-08-29 12:22 .11:41
penguin42hmm so it's actually using a lot of blocks as well11:42
shaunowas just curious because I'm trying to figure out where the mails are actually going, so having du lie to me keeps sending me up the wrong tree11:43
shaunoI've misplaced ~90,000 emails.  it's slightly embarrassing.11:47
NET||abuseuhg,, having a bit of a 'mare with virtualbox repo server11:50
NET||abusekeeps grinding to a halt11:50
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NET||abuseLUNCH!!12:04
bigcalmBash - how does one check if $1 has been passed in?12:15
diddledan_[ -z "$1" ]12:16
bigcalmif [$1] will that do?12:16
diddledan_-z checks whether the string is empty and returns true if it is12:16
bigcalmThanks12:16
bigcalmYay, just found I can Alt Gr + - to get my \ back12:18
bigcalmNow, where might the pipe be hiding I wonder12:18
bigcalm0.123456789*-+12:19
bigcalmOops12:19
Dave2not there.12:19
MartijnVdSreverse polish?12:19
Dave2that's your num pad12:19
bigcalm|12:19
bigcalmThere is is :)12:20
bigcalmAlt Gr + `12:20
bigcalmOr is it a different pipe symbol I wonder12:20
MartijnVdSthat's a different one I think12:20
mungbeanshauno: i wonder if there were files in there that got deleted or /dev/nulled but the process wasn't restarted so the file system has a handle on them still12:20
bigcalmThis keyboard: |          Other keyboard with working key: |12:20
mungbeantry lsof for that dir12:21
mungbeanmy local sainsburys had loads of sandwiches "use by 28 aug" still for sale at 12:30pm today12:22
brobostigonST2 TWOK, film4, :)12:23
MartijnVdSmungbean: if you tell them about that, they should fix that. If they don't, call in officials :)12:23
mungbeanhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10272953/Kim-Jong-uns-ex-lover-executed-by-firing-squad.html12:23
mungbeanwow. don't date kim jong un12:24
mungbeanMartijnVdS: i think i'll advise head office instead12:24
MartijnVdSmungbean: oh that should work :)12:24
mungbeanlocal staff will fix it while you are looking and then...12:24
willwill100yo12:40
shaunomungbean: nothing that complicated, they just get mv'd out once they've been parsed12:42
shauno(and I don't have 90,000 copies of the parser hanging around - I checked ;)12:42
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MartijnVdS... @ http://www.reddit.com/r/britishproblems/comments/1lbkgy/kentish_town_doesnt_look_like_kent_at_all/13:08
MartijnVdSalso.. http://i.imgur.com/fF37MoB.png13:17
bigcalmHehe13:18
mgdm'armless fun13:18
MartijnVdSI didn't know she was a runner13:18
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mungbeantalktalk prices going up14:08
mungbeanhttp://www.kickstarter.com/projects/556341540/pressy-the-almighty-android-button?ref=category14:20
mungbeanextra button for your phone14:21
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mgdmHow on earth do you remove that?14:22
popeywhat a brilliant idea14:22
popeyfinger nails?14:22
mgdmNice idea, but I use my phone as a music player too often so I'd lose it :)14:23
mungbeanyes, it sits a little proud14:23
mungbeanmgdm: there's a key ring holder too14:23
popeyhttp://www.kicktraq.com/projects/556341540/pressy-the-almighty-android-button/14:23
mgdmmungbean: oh yes, didn't clock that's what it was14:23
ali1234.... that's the stupidest thing i've ever seen14:23
mungbeanali1234: so you want one?14:24
popeyhaha14:24
mungbeanit requires an app though14:24
popeyI'm sure someone will reverse engineer it14:24
ali1234reverse engineer it??14:24
ali1234it's a switch and a connector14:24
mungbeandouble click for airplane mode14:25
mungbeanone click for set alarm for the babby's feed14:26
ali1234also they're in for patent trouble14:26
ali1234it works exactly like how inline headphone remote controls work14:26
ali1234and that stuff is all patented by sony14:26
mungbeanbetter buy one now then14:26
mgdmYou could use it with a headphone extension cable and have a remote shutter for your camera, like real SLRs have! <stupid_idea>14:27
mungbeanthey also have the monster cable version14:27
ali1234mgdm: that is probably the least stupid use for it there is14:27
mungbeanthere's plenty of accessibility uses14:28
shaunoI actually do the reverse, and use my phone as a remote shutter for my camera14:28
mungbeanblind people can use it to answer calls14:28
dwatkinsI'd like to build one of those attachments for the Nintendo DS that can be used to control a DSLR.14:29
mgdmI have an el-cheapo intervalometer off eBay (clone of a far more expensive Canon one)14:29
dwatkinsI'm waiting for my Thermodo to be delivered, I couldn't have anything else in my headphone socket.14:30
mungbeanhttp://www.kickstarter.com/projects/520589318/switchy-carbon-fiber-key-holder14:31
shaunoI have an ebay intervalometer too.  still prefer the phone.  has some neat tricks14:31
mungbeanswiss key ring14:31
ali1234that's actually a fairly good idea14:32
shauno(like tweening the interval over time)14:32
dwatkinsnone of my keys are the same shape #firstworldproblems14:32
ali1234i just don't have that many keys14:32
dwatkinsthat too, I have three that I use - two for my front door, one for the bike.14:32
dwatkinsoh and one for the room I keep my bike in, and two of those are 5-lever, the other two are yale14:33
mungbeanhttp://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2065501355/smartkey-free-your-pocket14:33
mungbeanstormfly :-|14:34
mungbeanthe $99 usb stick14:34
mungbeanugh http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/22595538/the-killing-of-tony-blair?ref=discover_pop14:37
mungbeancannot stand that man14:38
bigcalmIs there any one decent Android-on-a-stick TV dongle around? My main use will be streaming videos from mediatomb (on server) via MediaHouse-Pro (android)14:38
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slvrThe prblem with all those compact key solutions is that I have non-flat keys. Bike keys, cylindrical keys, security fobs.14:40
slvrI haven't actually tested any of those dongles, but I was surprised to find the GameStick in a local GAME store14:43
bigcalmContemplating this as it has the least bad reviews: http://www.amazon.co.uk/SainSmart-MK802IIIS-Bluetooth-OpenVG1-1-Certificate/dp/B00B18K4T214:49
popeyhttp://www.polygon.com/2013/8/29/4671408/minecraft-update-set-to-overhaul-world-generator14:49
ali1234bigcalm: any particular reason you want android?14:50
bigcalmali1234: so that I can also use my existing paid for apps14:51
bigcalmali1234: and I like Android14:51
mungbeani tried grabbing a apk on my paid for app and couldn't find it the other day14:51
ali1234that might be a problem if you buy a cheapo android device... they usually don't support the market14:51
bigcalmBoo14:52
ali1234i like android too though14:52
ali1234the description of that one you linked claims it has google play14:52
ali1234i would get that independently verified before buying though14:53
bigcalmI would expect such an omission to make it into the reviews of the device. Haven't seen as such14:55
bigcalmSod it14:57
* bigcalm clicks a button14:57
bigcalmHow might I find out if the USB socket on my TV is powered or not?14:59
ali1234it should have a special symbol if it's a charging socket15:00
ali1234according to wikipedia it might also be yellow15:01
bigcalmLE37B551A6WQXU15:06
neurosamsung 5 series?15:06
bigcalmSamsung yes15:07
bigcalmNo idea about the series :)15:07
neuroscary that i recognise that15:07
bigcalmThat's the model code15:07
bigcalmHaha15:07
* neuro had an LE40N87BDX15:08
neurowell, has, it's up in my spare room with a busted PSU15:08
bigcalm:(15:09
popeyYellow ones power when on standby15:11
bigcalmI can't find my tv's code on the Samsung website :(15:11
* popey wants a new telly15:11
bigcalmMe too, but an android dongle is the cheaper alternative :)15:12
neurome too15:12
neuroi've picked mine out already15:12
neuronow i just need to win the lottery before they start charging more15:12
neuro"If a device requires high power (more than 500mA or 5V), the USB device may not be supported."15:14
neurosuggests powered to me15:14
bigcalmhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/JUSTOP-2000mA-Charger-Adapter-Supply/dp/B00AQGDDUC/ref=pd_sim_ce_515:15
bigcalmneuro: where are you reading that?15:19
neurofrom the manual15:19
bigcalmFor what device?15:20
neurohttp://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/200907/20090721125927046/BN68-02315G-00Eng-0608.pdf15:20
neuroyour tv15:20
bigcalmYay15:20
bigcalmHow did you find it?15:20
gordonjcpneuro: what happened to the PSU, and is it repairable?15:21
neurono idea, no idea15:21
gordonjcphmm, I need to do the PSU on my panasonic soon15:21
neuroallegedly blown pots are common, i cba opening it to look since i'm not sparky knowledgable15:21
gordonjcpweird ripply interference when I'm using certain inputs15:21
neurothat could just be shonky cables15:21
gordonjcpno, it's different cables15:22
gordonjcp^there15:22
neurofair dues15:22
gordonjcpbah, cannot english today15:22
neuroYOU ENGLISH, ENGLISJ HARD15:22
mungbeanhad 15 mins left on the acution, got distracted with work, suddenly auction finished 30 mins ago :(15:33
Myrttiwent to get my new broadband gateway from the mail15:38
Myrttihttp://www.speedtest.net/my-result/2931896241 wwwhhheheeeeee15:38
SuperMattgood stuff15:39
bigcalmFunky15:40
* funkyHat 15:42
imanc identify16:11
diddledan_aww, no password, imanc ?16:12
diddledan_:-p16:12
bigcalmMy name is my passport, verify me16:12
bigcalmDamn it16:12
diddledan_sneakers, interesting movie16:12
diddledan_and it's my voice is my passport :-p16:13
bigcalmThat might be your password, it's not mine :P16:13
diddledan_lol16:14
diddledan_good point16:14
diddledan_lastpass ftwt16:14
diddledan_s/wt/w/16:14
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ali1234AlanBell: was it you talking about the animal wallpapers?18:05
ali1234i just found out they're all by vladstudio.com18:06
ali1234well, both of them18:11
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AlanBelllots of other nice ones there too18:39
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MartijnVdSany movie freaks in here? :)19:04
MartijnVdSas in, very interested in movies and the people who make them19:04
daftykinswhat are you driving at ^_^19:05
MartijnVdSdaftykins: people like that would probably like to watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7RoL1FUR1g19:06
daftykinsi don't recognise the names :D19:15
MartijnVdSdaftykins: "Some of his best known works were National Lampoon's Animal House, the music video Thriller, The Blues Brothers, and Beverly Hills Cop III."19:15
MartijnVdSdaftykins: the other one is a Mythbuster19:15
daftykinsah-har19:16
mickyconnect uk.irc.flightgear.org19:33
bigcalmGood evening peeps :)21:31
daftykinsBuy a Samsung Chromebook, get a free smartphone 0o22:51
daftykinshttp://www.google.com/intl/en_uk/chrome/devices/samsung-chromebook-offer.html22:51
Azelphurthat's cool, but doesn't list a price22:52
daftykins'cause it's linking to other stores22:52
daftykinsi'm browsing around22:52
daftykins£193.89 samsung one on amazon UK 0o22:53
Azelphurwhat phone does it come with?22:53
daftykinsa samsung galaxy mini apparently22:54
Azelphurnothing worth phoning home about then22:54
daftykinssee what y'did there XD22:54
daftykinshah ah yes, a gingerbread relic22:54
daftykinshttp://www.johnlewis.com/samsung-xe303c12-h01-chromebook-exynos-5250-1-7ghz-wi-fi-3g-11-6-silver/p23174013122:55
daftykinsthat one gets £50 off, so is £249 and the phone22:55
daftykinseven worse, it's froyo if it means the mini v122:55
penguin42cyanogenable?22:56
daftykinsspec is so bad it wouldn't even be worth it22:56
daftykins320x240 display with <200MB o' RAM22:56
daftykinsnevermind :)22:57
penguin42I thought the Nexus4 had dropped to a pretty good price22:57
daftykinsi can't even view the store without proxying via the UK22:58
daftykinswhat's the 16GB gone down to?22:59
penguin4219923:00
daftykins!23:01
daftykinsi got mine for 299 earlier in the year23:02
penguin428GB for 15923:02
daftykinsi think it was around that anyway23:02
penguin42larger sizes are always rip offs23:02
daftykinsyeah :(23:03
daftykinswhen i shop Dell for clients i do my own upgrades XD23:03
dutchietwice the size for less than twice the money!23:03
dutchiewait23:03
dutchienvm23:03
dutchie;)23:04
penguin42daftykins: Yeh crucial for RAM23:05
daftykins:D23:06
penguin42daftykins: although if you get a regular Dell sales contact they used to be very flexible23:07
daftykinsi tried to keep getting the same outsourced gentleman, but sometimes they'd be out of the office and their colleagues would climb over their own mother to get you to buy23:09
penguin42daftykins: Oh yeh it's great; it's like 'ok how much cna you *reallly* squeeze that down to'23:10
daftykins:)23:11
daftykinsmaybe i should threaten to switch back to their pals23:11
daftykinsdoubt i'll be talking to them again anytime soon though23:11
penguin42daftykins: I used to enjoy dealing with them - you could really squeeze them and get what you want; my only problem was after I'd trained one of their sales guys in how to handle me they'd get promoted23:12
daftykinsd'aww :(23:13

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