[06:58] <moodoo> morning all
[07:16] <popey> Good morning
[07:27] <AlanBell> morning
[08:06] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:08] <bashrc> hello
[08:25] <mungbean> what's the convention for dealing with emails from google recruiters?
[08:31] <popey> mungbean: depends if you're interested or not really
[08:31] <diddledan_> it's google, of course he's interested :-p
[08:31] <directhex> well... google send out a LOT of speculative recruiter mail
[08:32] <directhex> only a tiny fraction of people who pass the phone interview then pass the meatspace interview
[08:32] <mungbean> yes directhex , so is it OK to ignore
[08:32] <Laney> i usually get repeatedly hassled if i try that one
[08:33] <Laney> to ever increasing numbers of email addresses, including work ones
[08:33] <directhex> mungbean, if you want to jump through hoops for the slim possibility of a 60 hour a week job in london, then reply
[08:33] <directhex> otherwise, ignore
[08:33] <mungbean> i used to do that in my 20s..got burnt out..only just recovering
[08:33] <directhex> see also http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-12-19/
[08:36] <mungbean> i think the crazy working life will calm down soon now they are a mature company
[08:36] <mungbean> lots of the startup trendies will leave
[08:37] <bigcalm> Talking of crazy hours, is davmor2 on holiday or been shipped off to the USA?
[08:38] <mungbean> maybe its a good idea to send them my cv and say pop that on your file for later
[08:39] <Laney> just say "No thanks, but I'll contact you if my circumstances change"
[08:39] <directhex> they don't need your cv
[08:39] <directhex> they know how to find it on bing.
[08:40] <mungbean> nobody has it
[08:40] <bigcalm> Fnar
[08:41] <diddledan_> googlers bing for CVs? is that because the google index is too vast? and can bing be used as a verb in that way similarly to google?
[08:41] <mungbean> i would love to see the meeting where they decided bing was a good name
[08:42] <mungbean> i just wrote "rack unitys" in an email
[08:42] <diddledan_> I don't believe they did decide it was a good name. they just decided it was a name
[08:42] <mungbean> fingers want to type unity
[08:43] <Laney> bing demonstrates the power of the focus group to come up with inspiring brand ideas
[08:43] <mungbean> i'm launching a new search engine called bishbashbosh
[08:43] <mungbean> just bishbashbosh it
[08:44] <diddledan_> lol
[08:44] <diddledan_> what about "wibble"?
[08:46] <shauno> you can't wibble it.  not even just a little bit.  it sounds too much like a 90s flashback
[08:46] <dwatkins> How about flibble?
[08:47] <dwatkins> You could have plush characters called Mister Flibble and Mrs Flibble...
[08:47] <diddledan_> ooh aah just wibble it, ooh aah wibble it more!
[08:48] <mungbean> anyone tried the forthcoming gnome calendar app?
[08:49]  * dwatkins has to put some music on to drown out the sounds of 80s pop running around in his head now
[08:49] <mungbean> i'll drown it out
[08:49] <diddledan_> :-)
[08:49] <mungbean> tongue-tied...leaving me tongue -tied tongue-tied
[08:49] <dwatkins> ningy nongy!
[08:49] <mungbean> now get that sucker out of your head
[08:50] <dwatkins> darble derble
[08:50] <mungbean> from my head down to my liver...
[08:50] <dwatkins> easy, I have an e-mail from a German customer to translate and some nice loud psy trance drowning out any part of my brain that's not in use ;)
[08:51] <shauno> german customers are awesome.  there's no bug report like a german bug report.
[08:51] <dwatkins> shauno: indeed, they point out the flaws in the documentation by taking it apart word-by-word
[08:51] <mungbean> i spent 10 hours on the phone to a german support company once
[08:52] <mungbean> could have been fixed in 30 mins i reckon
[08:52] <jpds> mungbean: Luxury, I spent months in Germany this year.
[08:52] <dwatkins> my German customers ask about lines in logfiles which most people would simply ignore
[08:52] <mungbean> i had to take toilet breaks while on the call
[08:52] <jpds> dwatkins: It's all about prefection.
[08:53] <dwatkins> jpds: prefection, you say
[09:04] <bashrc> I never liked being a prefect
[09:06] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:10] <mungbean> morning uncle brobostigon
[09:10] <brobostigon> morning mungbean
[09:11] <mungbean> i was on the tube this morning and the driver braked hard then accelerated for another 50yds. woman fell over. two men leapt up to help her, she was ignoring them presumably as she was embarrassed at falling over :S
[09:11] <mungbean> awkward
[09:12] <brobostigon> yes, definatly awkward, but they did the right thing, in trying to help her.
[09:15] <DJones> Google/Android is getting clever, sharing wifi key's between devices, input a wifi key on one device, came to set up a 2nd device and it was already connected
[09:17] <brobostigon> yes, and can be useful, but you do wonder if that information is transferred encrypted or in cleartext.
[09:17] <popey> thats been around for quite some time I think
[09:18] <DJones> I hadn't come across it, one of those 'Oh' moments
[09:21] <NET||abuse> hi guys, i'm trying to pair an apple magic mouse to ubuntu, so system settings->bluetooth search for devices, Pin Options use 0000, find the mouse add it, it says device added, but then in the main blue tooth window the mouse is there but paired:no, connection: Off
[09:22] <NET||abuse> I try to flip the connection switch to on, it tries for a minute but fails.
[09:22] <popey> NET||abuse: do you have hid-magicmouse loaded?
[09:22] <popey> lsmod | grep magic
[09:23] <NET||abuse> nope, doesn't look like it :)
[09:23] <popey> filename:       /lib/modules/3.11.0-4-generic/kernel/drivers/hid/hid-magicmouse.ko
[09:23] <popey> looks like it exists
[09:23] <ikonia> I'd be interested in seeing how you find using a magic mouse
[09:24] <ikonia> (in linux)
[09:24] <popey> (on my saucy box)
[09:24] <ikonia> popey: do you use one ?
[09:24] <NET||abuse> yup, i'll let you know, i just don't have another mouse right now.
[09:24] <popey> nope, i have a magic trackpad
[09:24] <ikonia> not quite the same,
[09:24] <popey> dont use that either now I have my keyboard to kill all keyboards
[09:24] <popey> indeed
[09:24] <NET||abuse> well i hav a usb one, but my only 2 usb ports are taken up with ethernet adapter and keyboard
[09:25] <ikonia> popey: keyboard to kill all keyboard, you can't drop that without details
[09:25] <popey> trying to find a link
[09:26] <popey> P/N 55Y9091
[09:26] <popey> http://www.amazon.com/ThinkPad-USB-Keyboard-with-TrackPoint/dp/B002ONCC6G
[09:26] <popey> that
[09:26] <popey> (but UK layout)
[09:26] <ikonia> ahh, I know the one,
[09:27] <ikonia> so you actually use that as your day to day keyboard. Interesting
[09:27] <popey> yes
[09:27] <popey> two, one on laptop (in docking station) and one on desktop
[09:27] <popey> means I have the same layout whether on desk or lap
[09:27] <popey> and never have to move hands from keyboard to use mouse
[09:33] <mungbean> popey: you might like this
[09:33] <mungbean> https://github.com/chrisallenlane/cheat
[09:34] <popey> i am aware of that ☻
[09:34] <popey> nice idea
[09:34] <popey> in fact I'll add it to the notes for the podcast, ta
[09:53] <AlanBell> that is a nice idea, just the interesting bits of man pages :)
[09:53] <mungbean> trying to buy GTA chinatown for DS now :S
[09:53] <mungbean> we have problems with new users who are scared of CLI but have to use the cluster. this is ideal
[09:54] <AlanBell> CLI based GTA??
[09:54] <mungbean> two different threads..:P
[09:54] <Laney> you get points for rm-ing arbitrary files as root
[09:55] <dwatkins> haha, that would be awesome (CLI GTA)
[09:55] <mungbean> isnt that called dope wars?
[09:55]  * dwatkins fondly remembers Twin Kingdom Valley and other such text-based adventure games
[09:55] <mungbean> \o/
[09:55] <mungbean> open grate
[09:55] <mungbean> it is locked
[09:55] <diddledan_> unlock grate
[09:55] <diddledan_> >.<
[09:55] <mungbean> a grate is open
[09:56] <mungbean> rendered the pics as u went along
[09:56] <mungbean> nevr actually finished it. i think i have some unfinished business in my life
[09:59] <dwatkins> yeah, I just remember getting killed a lot in TKV by gorillas, but its simple pictures inspired me at the time
[09:59] <popey> There's still a bunch of people who make interactive fiction
[09:59] <popey> there's a competition every year called ifcomp
[09:59] <mungbean> i looked at making some myself
[09:59] <mungbean> the app was quite involved and looks like hard work
[09:59] <popey> http://ifcomp.org/
[10:00] <popey> got a month left to enter http://ifcomp.org/comp13/schedule.html
[10:02] <bashrc> Maybe you could write an IF about attending a LUG or installing Gentoo.  "You see a command line prompt..."
[10:02] <dwatkins> bashrc: I'm reminded of "L - a mathemagical adventure" in which you control a computer which is playing an adventure game...
[10:03] <dwatkins> Clearly the writers of the film Inception played this as children ;)
[10:44] <mungbean> wow, freemind has made v1.0
[10:45] <shauno> so did calibre, after 7 years
[10:46] <bashrc> Maybe there coule be an IF about a UDS.  "You try to connect to a hangout..."  "You can see a man on the screen.  He appears to be playing a guitar"
[10:46] <popey> czajkowski: http://imgur.com/gallery/DwdJdIc
[10:47] <bigcalm> Oh my!
[10:47] <czajkowski> awww
[10:47] <czajkowski> :D
[10:50] <bigcalm> Eye brows are almost out of control. Do I enjoy the weird look as I age or allow them to be trimmed?
[10:53] <directhex> bigcalm, pluck them, leaving only the monobrow join in the middle
[10:53] <directhex> like a little moustache on your forehead
[10:53] <mungbean> my terminal crashed :(
[10:53] <mungbean> but unusual
[10:54] <mungbean> not sure i wanna go with freemind anymore..chrome apps seem to fill that gap now
[10:58] <bigcalm> directhex: hummmmm
[10:59] <bigcalm> No
[10:59] <directhex> i'm tellin' ya, it'll be all the rage next year
[11:01] <mungbean> i have a file in /var/crash, why isn't ubuntu-bug adding it to the bug report?
[11:12] <NET||abuse> hmm, x1 only has  usb ports. bit of a challenge, need a port replicator
[11:12] <NET||abuse> display port works for now for external monitor, maybe i only need a usb hub
[11:36] <shauno> strange question.  what would cause "." to have an unexpected size?
[11:37] <directhex> howso?
[11:37] <penguin42> unexpected?
[11:37] <shauno> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6040001/   (that's the entire contents of the dir)
[11:38] <shauno> I can't figure out why "." is 700K for an empty folder.  it's usually 4K
[11:38] <penguin42> shauno: It's just had zillions of files in at one point
[11:38] <penguin42> shauno: Or files with silly long names
[11:39] <shauno> hm, I guess I wasn't expecting it to stay inflated  (it's a maildir, so a zillion files is about right)
[11:40] <slvr> ext3 doesn't
[11:40] <slvr> garbage collect empty blocks in a directory
[11:40] <penguin42> what does ls -lsd of . say
[11:41] <shauno> 704 drwxr-xr-x 2 soneil soneil 716800 2013-08-29 12:22 .
[11:42] <penguin42> hmm so it's actually using a lot of blocks as well
[11:43] <shauno> was just curious because I'm trying to figure out where the mails are actually going, so having du lie to me keeps sending me up the wrong tree
[11:47] <shauno> I've misplaced ~90,000 emails.  it's slightly embarrassing.
[11:50] <NET||abuse> uhg,, having a bit of a 'mare with virtualbox repo server
[11:50] <NET||abuse> keeps grinding to a halt
[12:04] <NET||abuse> LUNCH!!
[12:15] <bigcalm> Bash - how does one check if $1 has been passed in?
[12:16] <diddledan_> [ -z "$1" ]
[12:16] <bigcalm> if [$1] will that do?
[12:16] <diddledan_> -z checks whether the string is empty and returns true if it is
[12:16] <bigcalm> Thanks
[12:18] <bigcalm> Yay, just found I can Alt Gr + - to get my \ back
[12:18] <bigcalm> Now, where might the pipe be hiding I wonder
[12:19] <bigcalm> 0.123456789*-+
[12:19] <bigcalm> Oops
[12:19] <Dave2> not there.
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> reverse polish?
[12:19] <Dave2> that's your num pad
[12:19] <bigcalm> |
[12:20] <bigcalm> There is is :)
[12:20] <bigcalm> Alt Gr + `
[12:20] <bigcalm> Or is it a different pipe symbol I wonder
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> that's a different one I think
[12:20] <mungbean> shauno: i wonder if there were files in there that got deleted or /dev/nulled but the process wasn't restarted so the file system has a handle on them still
[12:20] <bigcalm> This keyboard: |          Other keyboard with working key: |
[12:21] <mungbean> try lsof for that dir
[12:22] <mungbean> my local sainsburys had loads of sandwiches "use by 28 aug" still for sale at 12:30pm today
[12:23] <brobostigon> ST2 TWOK, film4, :)
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: if you tell them about that, they should fix that. If they don't, call in officials :)
[12:23] <mungbean> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10272953/Kim-Jong-uns-ex-lover-executed-by-firing-squad.html
[12:24] <mungbean> wow. don't date kim jong un
[12:24] <mungbean> MartijnVdS: i think i'll advise head office instead
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: oh that should work :)
[12:24] <mungbean> local staff will fix it while you are looking and then...
[12:40] <willwill100> yo
[12:42] <shauno> mungbean: nothing that complicated, they just get mv'd out once they've been parsed
[12:42] <shauno> (and I don't have 90,000 copies of the parser hanging around - I checked ;)
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> ... @ http://www.reddit.com/r/britishproblems/comments/1lbkgy/kentish_town_doesnt_look_like_kent_at_all/
[13:17] <MartijnVdS> also.. http://i.imgur.com/fF37MoB.png
[13:18] <bigcalm> Hehe
[13:18] <mgdm> 'armless fun
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> I didn't know she was a runner
[14:08] <mungbean> talktalk prices going up
[14:20] <mungbean> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/556341540/pressy-the-almighty-android-button?ref=category
[14:21] <mungbean> extra button for your phone
[14:22] <mgdm> How on earth do you remove that?
[14:22] <popey> what a brilliant idea
[14:22] <popey> finger nails?
[14:23] <mgdm> Nice idea, but I use my phone as a music player too often so I'd lose it :)
[14:23] <mungbean> yes, it sits a little proud
[14:23] <mungbean> mgdm: there's a key ring holder too
[14:23] <popey> http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/556341540/pressy-the-almighty-android-button/
[14:23] <mgdm> mungbean: oh yes, didn't clock that's what it was
[14:23] <ali1234> .... that's the stupidest thing i've ever seen
[14:24] <mungbean> ali1234: so you want one?
[14:24] <popey> haha
[14:24] <mungbean> it requires an app though
[14:24] <popey> I'm sure someone will reverse engineer it
[14:24] <ali1234> reverse engineer it??
[14:24] <ali1234> it's a switch and a connector
[14:25] <mungbean> double click for airplane mode
[14:26] <mungbean> one click for set alarm for the babby's feed
[14:26] <ali1234> also they're in for patent trouble
[14:26] <ali1234> it works exactly like how inline headphone remote controls work
[14:26] <ali1234> and that stuff is all patented by sony
[14:26] <mungbean> better buy one now then
[14:27] <mgdm> You could use it with a headphone extension cable and have a remote shutter for your camera, like real SLRs have! <stupid_idea>
[14:27] <mungbean> they also have the monster cable version
[14:27] <ali1234> mgdm: that is probably the least stupid use for it there is
[14:28] <mungbean> there's plenty of accessibility uses
[14:28] <shauno> I actually do the reverse, and use my phone as a remote shutter for my camera
[14:28] <mungbean> blind people can use it to answer calls
[14:29] <dwatkins> I'd like to build one of those attachments for the Nintendo DS that can be used to control a DSLR.
[14:29] <mgdm> I have an el-cheapo intervalometer off eBay (clone of a far more expensive Canon one)
[14:30] <dwatkins> I'm waiting for my Thermodo to be delivered, I couldn't have anything else in my headphone socket.
[14:31] <mungbean> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/520589318/switchy-carbon-fiber-key-holder
[14:31] <shauno> I have an ebay intervalometer too.  still prefer the phone.  has some neat tricks
[14:31] <mungbean> swiss key ring
[14:32] <ali1234> that's actually a fairly good idea
[14:32] <shauno> (like tweening the interval over time)
[14:32] <dwatkins> none of my keys are the same shape #firstworldproblems
[14:32] <ali1234> i just don't have that many keys
[14:32] <dwatkins> that too, I have three that I use - two for my front door, one for the bike.
[14:33] <dwatkins> oh and one for the room I keep my bike in, and two of those are 5-lever, the other two are yale
[14:33] <mungbean> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2065501355/smartkey-free-your-pocket
[14:34] <mungbean> stormfly :-|
[14:34] <mungbean> the $99 usb stick
[14:37] <mungbean> ugh http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/22595538/the-killing-of-tony-blair?ref=discover_pop
[14:38] <mungbean> cannot stand that man
[14:38] <bigcalm> Is there any one decent Android-on-a-stick TV dongle around? My main use will be streaming videos from mediatomb (on server) via MediaHouse-Pro (android)
[14:40] <slvr> The prblem with all those compact key solutions is that I have non-flat keys. Bike keys, cylindrical keys, security fobs.
[14:43] <slvr> I haven't actually tested any of those dongles, but I was surprised to find the GameStick in a local GAME store
[14:49] <bigcalm> Contemplating this as it has the least bad reviews: http://www.amazon.co.uk/SainSmart-MK802IIIS-Bluetooth-OpenVG1-1-Certificate/dp/B00B18K4T2
[14:49] <popey> http://www.polygon.com/2013/8/29/4671408/minecraft-update-set-to-overhaul-world-generator
[14:50] <ali1234> bigcalm: any particular reason you want android?
[14:51] <bigcalm> ali1234: so that I can also use my existing paid for apps
[14:51] <bigcalm> ali1234: and I like Android
[14:51] <mungbean> i tried grabbing a apk on my paid for app and couldn't find it the other day
[14:51] <ali1234> that might be a problem if you buy a cheapo android device... they usually don't support the market
[14:52] <bigcalm> Boo
[14:52] <ali1234> i like android too though
[14:52] <ali1234> the description of that one you linked claims it has google play
[14:53] <ali1234> i would get that independently verified before buying though
[14:55] <bigcalm> I would expect such an omission to make it into the reviews of the device. Haven't seen as such
[14:57] <bigcalm> Sod it
[14:57]  * bigcalm clicks a button
[14:59] <bigcalm> How might I find out if the USB socket on my TV is powered or not?
[15:00] <ali1234> it should have a special symbol if it's a charging socket
[15:01] <ali1234> according to wikipedia it might also be yellow
[15:06] <bigcalm> LE37B551A6WQXU
[15:06] <neuro> samsung 5 series?
[15:07] <bigcalm> Samsung yes
[15:07] <bigcalm> No idea about the series :)
[15:07] <neuro> scary that i recognise that
[15:07] <bigcalm> That's the model code
[15:07] <bigcalm> Haha
[15:08]  * neuro had an LE40N87BDX
[15:08] <neuro> well, has, it's up in my spare room with a busted PSU
[15:09] <bigcalm> :(
[15:11] <popey> Yellow ones power when on standby
[15:11] <bigcalm> I can't find my tv's code on the Samsung website :(
[15:11]  * popey wants a new telly
[15:12] <bigcalm> Me too, but an android dongle is the cheaper alternative :)
[15:12] <neuro> me too
[15:12] <neuro> i've picked mine out already
[15:12] <neuro> now i just need to win the lottery before they start charging more
[15:14] <neuro> "If a device requires high power (more than 500mA or 5V), the USB device may not be supported."
[15:14] <neuro> suggests powered to me
[15:15] <bigcalm> http://www.amazon.co.uk/JUSTOP-2000mA-Charger-Adapter-Supply/dp/B00AQGDDUC/ref=pd_sim_ce_5
[15:19] <bigcalm> neuro: where are you reading that?
[15:19] <neuro> from the manual
[15:20] <bigcalm> For what device?
[15:20] <neuro> http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/200907/20090721125927046/BN68-02315G-00Eng-0608.pdf
[15:20] <neuro> your tv
[15:20] <bigcalm> Yay
[15:20] <bigcalm> How did you find it?
[15:21] <gordonjcp> neuro: what happened to the PSU, and is it repairable?
[15:21] <neuro> no idea, no idea
[15:21] <gordonjcp> hmm, I need to do the PSU on my panasonic soon
[15:21] <neuro> allegedly blown pots are common, i cba opening it to look since i'm not sparky knowledgable
[15:21] <gordonjcp> weird ripply interference when I'm using certain inputs
[15:21] <neuro> that could just be shonky cables
[15:22] <gordonjcp> no, it's different cables
[15:22] <gordonjcp> ^there
[15:22] <neuro> fair dues
[15:22] <gordonjcp> bah, cannot english today
[15:22] <neuro> YOU ENGLISH, ENGLISJ HARD
[15:33] <mungbean> had 15 mins left on the acution, got distracted with work, suddenly auction finished 30 mins ago :(
[15:38] <Myrtti> went to get my new broadband gateway from the mail
[15:38] <Myrtti> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/2931896241 wwwhhheheeeeee
[15:39] <SuperMatt> good stuff
[15:40] <bigcalm> Funky
[15:42]  * funkyHat 
[16:11] <imanc>  identify
[16:12] <diddledan_> aww, no password, imanc ?
[16:12] <diddledan_> :-p
[16:12] <bigcalm> My name is my passport, verify me
[16:12] <bigcalm> Damn it
[16:12] <diddledan_> sneakers, interesting movie
[16:13] <diddledan_> and it's my voice is my passport :-p
[16:13] <bigcalm> That might be your password, it's not mine :P
[16:14] <diddledan_> lol
[16:14] <diddledan_> good point
[16:14] <diddledan_> lastpass ftwt
[16:14] <diddledan_> s/wt/w/
[18:05] <ali1234> AlanBell: was it you talking about the animal wallpapers?
[18:06] <ali1234> i just found out they're all by vladstudio.com
[18:11] <ali1234> well, both of them
[18:39] <AlanBell> lots of other nice ones there too
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> any movie freaks in here? :)
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> as in, very interested in movies and the people who make them
[19:05] <daftykins> what are you driving at ^_^
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: people like that would probably like to watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7RoL1FUR1g
[19:15] <daftykins> i don't recognise the names :D
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: "Some of his best known works were National Lampoon's Animal House, the music video Thriller, The Blues Brothers, and Beverly Hills Cop III."
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: the other one is a Mythbuster
[19:16] <daftykins> ah-har
[19:33] <micky> connect uk.irc.flightgear.org
[21:31] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[22:51] <daftykins> Buy a Samsung Chromebook, get a free smartphone 0o
[22:51] <daftykins> http://www.google.com/intl/en_uk/chrome/devices/samsung-chromebook-offer.html
[22:52] <Azelphur> that's cool, but doesn't list a price
[22:52] <daftykins> 'cause it's linking to other stores
[22:52] <daftykins> i'm browsing around
[22:53] <daftykins> £193.89 samsung one on amazon UK 0o
[22:53] <Azelphur> what phone does it come with?
[22:54] <daftykins> a samsung galaxy mini apparently
[22:54] <Azelphur> nothing worth phoning home about then
[22:54] <daftykins> see what y'did there XD
[22:54] <daftykins> hah ah yes, a gingerbread relic
[22:55] <daftykins> http://www.johnlewis.com/samsung-xe303c12-h01-chromebook-exynos-5250-1-7ghz-wi-fi-3g-11-6-silver/p231740131
[22:55] <daftykins> that one gets £50 off, so is £249 and the phone
[22:55] <daftykins> even worse, it's froyo if it means the mini v1
[22:56] <penguin42> cyanogenable?
[22:56] <daftykins> spec is so bad it wouldn't even be worth it
[22:56] <daftykins> 320x240 display with <200MB o' RAM
[22:57] <daftykins> nevermind :)
[22:57] <penguin42> I thought the Nexus4 had dropped to a pretty good price
[22:58] <daftykins> i can't even view the store without proxying via the UK
[22:59] <daftykins> what's the 16GB gone down to?
[23:00] <penguin42> 199
[23:01] <daftykins> !
[23:02] <daftykins> i got mine for 299 earlier in the year
[23:02] <penguin42> 8GB for 159
[23:02] <daftykins> i think it was around that anyway
[23:02] <penguin42> larger sizes are always rip offs
[23:03] <daftykins> yeah :(
[23:03] <daftykins> when i shop Dell for clients i do my own upgrades XD
[23:03] <dutchie> twice the size for less than twice the money!
[23:03] <dutchie> wait
[23:03] <dutchie> nvm
[23:04] <dutchie> ;)
[23:05] <penguin42> daftykins: Yeh crucial for RAM
[23:06] <daftykins> :D
[23:07] <penguin42> daftykins: although if you get a regular Dell sales contact they used to be very flexible
[23:09] <daftykins> i tried to keep getting the same outsourced gentleman, but sometimes they'd be out of the office and their colleagues would climb over their own mother to get you to buy
[23:10] <penguin42> daftykins: Oh yeh it's great; it's like 'ok how much cna you *reallly* squeeze that down to'
[23:11] <daftykins> :)
[23:11] <daftykins> maybe i should threaten to switch back to their pals
[23:11] <daftykins> doubt i'll be talking to them again anytime soon though
[23:12] <penguin42> daftykins: I used to enjoy dealing with them - you could really squeeze them and get what you want; my only problem was after I'd trained one of their sales guys in how to handle me they'd get promoted
[23:13] <daftykins> d'aww :(