[05:52] <Kilos> morning psychicist and others
[05:52] <Kilos> lo Squirm 
[05:52] <Kilos> ohi sakhi 
[06:04] <Squirm> hello
[06:07] <superfly> guten morgen
[06:14] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[06:54] <Kilos> superfly, do you leave your router username password as admin? is that safe?
[06:58] <superfly> Kilos: not at all (on both accounts)
[06:59] <Kilos> ty 
[07:10] <magespawn> good morning
[07:15] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[07:15] <magespawn> how are things today?
[07:15] <Kilos> another back to back?
[07:15] <Kilos> all good here ty and there
[07:16] <charl> good morning
[07:16] <Kilos> weather liar says we gonna be 28°c today
[07:16] <charl> hi Kilos, magespawn 
[07:16] <Kilos> yay
[07:16] <charl> hi superfly 
[07:16] <Kilos> hi charl 
[07:16] <magespawn> `morning charl
[07:16] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:16]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:16] <magespawn> Maaz coffee please
[07:16] <Maaz> magespawn: Yessir
[07:17] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[07:17] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[07:19] <Kilos> networking gets involved hey?
[07:19] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[07:19] <Kilos> morning barrydk 
[07:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl, magespawn and Kilos!
[07:20] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[07:20] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[07:21] <superfly> ohi charl
[07:22] <barrydk> Ek gaan gou oor aanteken lyk my ek is op die duitse ubuntu vanmore
[07:22] <Kilos> haha
[07:25] <Kilos> Maaz, shup
[07:25] <Maaz> Shup yourself oh noisy one
[07:28] <magespawn> hey superfly barrydk
[07:28] <magespawn> Maaz botsnack
[07:28] <Maaz> Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp
[07:31] <superfly> hi magespawn
[07:32] <superfly> hi barrydk
[07:32] <barrydk> How are you guys this morning
[07:33] <Kilos> good ty and you. did you fix your ubuntu?
[07:45] <barrydk> Good No didn't have time yet used my tab to do g-earth will fight it again later
[07:46] <Kilos> hehe hiya Vince-0 
[07:47] <Vince-0> haai
[07:51] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:51] <Kilos> yo inetpro 
[07:51] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[07:53] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[07:59] <magespawn> bbl call out
[08:22] <theblazehen> hi all
[08:37] <Kilos> eish---power cut again
[08:38] <Kilos> and more eish cops said sis can have her car on monday but now after many fone calls they say she can come fetch it
[08:38] <Kilos> they too busy they say
[08:38] <Kilos> no wonder peeps dont wanna help them
[08:41] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[08:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> hooooooowzit? :)
[08:45] <superfly> ohi ThatGraemeGuy
[08:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh hiiii :)
[08:45] <Kilos> good here ty. you counting the days?
[08:45] <Kilos> hehe
[08:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> not just yet
[08:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't have enough fingers ;-)
[08:46] <Kilos> toes and ears
[08:46] <Kilos> must be close
[08:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> too complicated :-D
[08:48] <Kilos> haha
[08:56] <Kilos> hi adeebnqo 
[09:08] <Kilos> hi space 
[09:08] <space> Hi Kilos.
[09:09] <Kilos> you type the full nick out?
[09:12] <Kilos> no tab complete
[09:13] <theblazehen> hi Kilos, space and ThatGraemeGuy 
[09:13] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[09:16] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[09:16] <Cantide> hey Kilos :)
[09:16] <Cantide> how's Kilos today?
[09:17] <Kilos> he be good and you?
[09:18] <Cantide> i'm okay :)
[09:18] <Cantide> getting nervous for my new job :p
[09:18] <Kilos> these peeps that chat from an addy like this Thunderbi@
[09:18] <Kilos> is that from thunderbird mail?
[09:18] <Kilos> dont be nervous man
[09:18] <Cantide> not sure, but i've also seen that and wondered
[09:18] <Cantide> does Thunderbird even do IRC?
[09:18] <Cantide> i don't think it does
[09:19] <Kilos> i saw it has a chat googie in the mail
[09:19] <Kilos> goodie
[09:19] <Kilos> irc and jabber
[09:19] <Cantide> oh yeah
[09:19] <Kilos> maybe ill try from here
[09:19] <Cantide> cool
[09:20] <Cantide> it does Facebook, Google Talk, IRC, Twitter and XMPP protocols. Nice!
[09:20] <Cantide> i have enough options for IM clients though
[09:20] <Cantide> and i may prefer to keep Thunderbird for mail
[09:21] <Kilos> shows fb and twitter too
[09:22] <meters> ohi
[09:23] <Kilos> hehe it works
[09:24] <Kilos> wonder why maia stopped using weechat in favour of the thunderbird
[09:24] <Kilos> must have some advantage
[09:24] <magespawn> hi meters
[09:25] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[09:25] <Kilos> haha and it makes a little ploep sound
[09:25] <magespawn> only one piece of software open at a time
[09:26] <Kilos> no it opens a full page over the mails
[09:27] <meters> ok toods all
[09:29] <Kilos> similar looks to xchat
[09:29] <magespawn> not a tab in thunderbird?
[09:30] <Kilos> nope a full page
[09:30] <Kilos> didnt look if you can shrink it
[09:30] <Kilos> im happy with xchat and konversation
[09:42] <Kilos> before someone steals that nick
[09:45] <Cantide> it seemed to open as a tab for me
[09:45] <Cantide> but i didn't have any chat accounts set up
[09:45] <Cantide> so i can't really say :/
[09:45] <Kilos> set up and see
[09:45] <Cantide> ah, k :p
[09:45] <Cantide> i'll take your word for it :)
[09:45] <Kilos> hehe it open a small window till setup
[09:46] <Kilos> then opened page to chat.freenode.net
[09:49] <Cantide> >.<
[09:56] <Kilos> must have some advantage otherwise clever peeps wont use it
[09:58] <magespawn> you assume the peeps be clever
[09:58] <Kilos> maiabe very clever
[09:58] <Kilos> but not everyone has 10 workspaces like me
[09:59] <magespawn> let me go see what it is about
[10:01] <magespawn> just set up my twitter to run through it, opens in a tab for me, almost like you could use as an os
[10:02] <Kilos> do you have it installed or use online
[10:02] <Kilos> i get pop mails here not the imap thing
[10:05] <Kilos> oh ya i see now
[10:06] <Kilos> sorry guys
[10:08] <Cantide> ?
[10:09] <meters> its in a tab here too
[10:09] <meters> thats quite cool
[10:10] <Cantide> ah :)
[10:11] <Kilos> hehe it even shows the smileys
[10:11] <Kilos> <3
[10:15] <Kilos> haha hi thundermage 
[10:15] <magespawn> cool beans good to know how that works, wonder if i can get it to connect to the quasselcore
[10:16] <thundermage> so now we know why the clever peeps use it
[10:17] <Kilos> yeah good idea
[10:18] <superfly> magespawn: not unless they implement the Quassel protocol.
[10:18] <Kilos> maia not a kde user
[10:18] <magespawn> might be a suggestion to mozilla
[10:19] <Kilos> magespawn, if you wanna save that nick group it
[10:20] <Kilos> otherwise next week someone else has it
[10:20] <Kilos> quite a cool nick
[10:26] <Kilos> so fast?
[10:34] <Kilos> hehe
[10:34] <Kilos> didnt it tell you the nick is registered
[10:35] <magespawn> maybe i did something wrong
[10:35] <Kilos>  you gotta /msg niclserv group nick
[10:35] <Kilos> ai!
[10:36] <Kilos>      /msg nickserv group nick
[10:37] <magespawn> see it is registered to me
[10:38] <magespawn> i assumed nickserv would ask for the password
[10:39] <Kilos> once grouped it asks you to identify
[10:39] <magespawn> so then it should ask theblazehen for a password
[10:42] <magespawn> gotta go out later all
[10:43] <Kilos> go well magespawn 
[11:23] <jeandre_> hi space 
[11:52] <charl> very interesting project: http://www.trsst.com/
[11:57] <Cantide> yeah
[11:57] <Cantide> i like how suddenly everyone is on this encryption bandwagon :D
[11:57] <Cantide> also, it seems to bring Linux a little more attention
[12:40] <barrydk> Buy all have a great evening
[12:52] <charl> Cantide: at least, on the one side, this whole nsa "scandal" has a positive side
[12:54] <Cantide> yeah
[13:05]  * inetpro dreaming of a day where everyone uses standardised cross platform authentication mechanisms
[13:21] <charl> yeah for sure
[14:39] <Kilos> hey guys, what is a good email client to use on tablets
[14:39] <Kilos> ah 
[14:39] <Kilos> Maaz, what email client to use on tablets
[14:39] <Maaz> Kilos: *blink*
[14:39] <Kilos> ai!
[14:40] <Kilos> google what email client to use on tablets
[14:40] <Kilos> ai!
[14:40] <Kilos> Maaz, google what email client to use on tablets
[14:40] <Maaz> Kilos: "Aqua Mail - email app - Android Apps on Google Play" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.kman.AquaMail&hl=en :: "Set up email on an Android phone or tablet - support - Office.com" http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/support/set-up-email-on-an-android-phone-or-tablet-HA102823196.aspx :: "Improve the efficiency of your Android tablet's built-in
[14:40] <Maaz> email client ..." http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/tablets-in-the-enterprise/improve-the-ef…
[14:41] <Vince-0> K9 mail client
[14:41] <Vince-0> haven't tried it though
[14:41] <Kilos> Maaz, google k9 mail client for android tablets
[14:41] <Maaz> Kilos: "K-9 Mail - Android Apps on Google Play" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fsck.k9&hl=en :: "k9mail - K-9 Mail is an advanced email client for Android - Google ..." https://code.google.com/p/k9mail/ :: "Issue 2877 - k9mail - Optimized Tablet Display Mode - K-9 Mail is an ..." https://code.google.com/p/k9mail/issues/detail?id=2877 :: "4 Best
[14:41] <Maaz> Android Apps for Email. Android App Recommendations from ..." http://www.androidtapp.com/4…
[14:42] <Kilos> ty Vince-0 
[14:42] <Vince-0> kk
[14:45] <Vince-0> whoot works over! for today
[15:04]  * Kilos sad, gonna format maverick off drive i did for sis. she got tablet to play with now
[15:07] <Kilos> then i got 20g for centos
[15:46] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[15:46] <magespawn> i see my power went off while i was out
[15:46] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[15:47] <Kilos> it didnt show here
[15:47] <Kilos> i was also off some. must be an inactivity timeout in router
[15:47] <Kilos> grrr
[15:48] <magespawn> i went off after 15:21 and came back at 15:49
[15:49] <Kilos> i was also off then
[15:49] <magespawn> Maybe set a ping up so that there is always traffic, will use some data up though
[15:49] <Kilos> was polishing all the gunk the cops put on sisters car to find prints
[15:49] <Kilos> dont come off with soap
[15:50] <magespawn> some work to get that stuff off
[15:50] <Kilos> set a ping up in the router or on pc
[15:50] <Kilos> wow im lame
[15:51] <magespawn> On the pc ping google.co.za
[15:51] <Kilos> too old for that kinda effort
[15:51] <Kilos> or too unfit maybe
[15:51] <Kilos> typing on keyboard isnt exactly exercise
[15:51] <magespawn> That way the cell does not time out, used to do it with the telkom dial up
[15:52] <Kilos> must surely be a timeout goodie in router somewhere
[15:52] <Kilos> but thats for morrow or so
[15:53] <Kilos> there is a stack of info in the router book
[15:54] <Kilos> even got a warning goodie that can mail you when crackers trying to get in
[15:54] <Kilos> hehe
[15:54] <Kilos> i forget the word now
[15:55] <Kilos> cold weekend coming
[15:56] <Kilos> wow you 19 tonight and 24 tomorrow
[15:59] <magespawn> Yup warm northern wind
[16:15] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn 
[16:16] <nlsthzn> uncle Kilos ... alo
[16:24] <nlsthzn> how is ZA land... (I am about to have dinner so my day is looking up :p)
[16:44] <inetpro> good evening
[16:47] <inetpro> Kilos: are you telling me we have lost the race?
[16:47] <theblazehen> h5 a33
[16:48] <theblazehen> oops  numlock on netbook
[16:48] <Kilos> which race inetpro 
[16:48] <theblazehen> hi all*
[16:48] <inetpro> Kilos: your sis will rather use a tablet than a PC?
[16:48] <inetpro> theblazehen: h5
[16:48] <Kilos> lol she only plays ms games on her pc
[16:48] <inetpro> ai!
[16:49] <Kilos> and learning the tablet so no chance of learning buntu
[16:49] <inetpro> Kilos: does she have a gmail address?
[16:49] <Kilos> ya
[16:49] <inetpro> why not simply use the gmail app as an email client?
[16:49] <Cantide> load ubuntu on the tablet?
[16:49] <Kilos> because she has a vodamail account too
[16:50] <Kilos> i opened her gmail account
[16:50] <inetpro> that is dof
[16:50] <inetpro> set her voda mails to forward automagically to gmail
[16:50] <Kilos> thats what voda offered when she got fones that can do mail
[16:51] <Kilos> oh i can look at that maybe ya
[16:51] <inetpro> it is called lock-in
[16:51] <inetpro> don't ever do that
[16:51] <Kilos> but going there stinks
[16:51] <Kilos> dont ever do what?
[16:52] <inetpro> don't use your service providers email services
[16:52] <inetpro> they all suck
[16:52] <Cantide> yeah
[16:53] <Kilos> before i had managed to get the password changed it had used 10m data just going page to page
[16:54] <Kilos> and you wait 30 mins before it becomes active after 4 tries
[16:54] <inetpro> and it complicates your life immeasurably when you decide to jump ship to another service provider
[16:54] <Kilos> 30 mins each try that is
[16:54] <Kilos> vodamail is all she had before i made her gmail account
[16:55] <Kilos> but if k9 can fetch vodamail shell be happy
[16:55] <inetpro> k9?
[16:55] <Kilos> vinnie said try that client for tablets
[16:56] <Kilos> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fsck.k9&hl=en
[17:18] <inetpro> Kilos: to forward Vodacom emails go to Settings on the Vodamail interface, click on the rules tab and add a rule, set All e-mails
[17:18] <inetpro> from everyone and forwarded to 'YourGmailAddress @ gmail . com'
[17:19] <Kilos> ah ty inetpro 
[17:21] <magespawn> Kilos you can also have gmail fetch the vodamail
[17:21] <Kilos> aha
[17:21] <magespawn> Those settings are in gmail
[17:22] <Kilos> ya ill find that ty
[17:22] <inetpro> Kilos: I just tested it and it works
[17:22] <Kilos> but methinks let voda earn their living
[17:22] <Kilos> cool
[17:22] <inetpro> though it does leave a copy in the vodamail inbox as well
[17:22] <Kilos> you also got a vodamail account??
[17:23] <inetpro> I just set it up to test
[17:23]  * inetpro wbb
[17:23] <Kilos> ty
[17:24] <magespawn> I must make sure that gmail empties my other accounts
[17:27] <Kilos> they say fire hazard there by you tomorrow magespawn 
[17:27] <Kilos> then hopefully it will rain
[17:29] <magespawn> There has been big fires burning for last 2 days
[17:29] <Kilos> ai
[17:33] <Kilos> *have
[17:33] <Kilos> fly sleepin
[17:42] <magespawn> Long day, and the mind is always quicker than the fingers
[17:42] <Kilos> lol
[17:44] <Kilos> that correction is for peeps learning english
[17:45] <magespawn> Also good for me
[17:46] <Kilos> bad day today, no noobs
[17:52] <magespawn> Ah well
[17:58] <charl> good evening folks
[17:58] <theblazehen> hi charl 
[17:58] <charl> hi theblazehen 
[18:00] <magespawn> Hey charl theblazehen
[18:00] <theblazehen> hi magespawn 
[18:01] <magespawn> Kilos has just stepped out for bi
[18:02] <magespawn> Bit
[18:02] <charl> hi magespawn 
[18:12] <inetpro> so who is following the latest UDS?
[18:20] <inetpro> hmm... we don't have anyone interested in what's happening at UDS anymore?
[18:22] <Cantide> i don't follow it too closely
[18:22] <Cantide> instead i watch for news coming out of it
[18:24] <inetpro> ahh, same here
[18:24]  * inetpro was hoping that others on here had a bit more of an insight
[18:25] <inetpro> tumbleweed: you still alive and well?
[18:27] <kbmonkey> halo
[18:27] <inetpro> kbmonkey: wb
[18:27] <kbmonkey> thanks inetpro 
[18:28] <kbmonkey> I got my gsm-wifi device from afrihost today. yeehaa.
[18:29] <kbmonkey> just have not got it connecting via usb yet. wifi works fine via laptop :]
[18:30] <inetpro> kbmonkey: what did you get?
[18:32] <kbmonkey> inetpro, that offer that went last week at http://www.afrihost.com/landing/mobile_data_preorder/
[18:32] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:34] <inetpro> another useless buzzword
[18:34] <inetpro> mifi
[18:34] <kbmonkey> gsm-wifi is much more descriptive
[18:35] <inetpro> wifi = wifi
[18:35] <inetpro> what's the diffs?
[18:36] <kbmonkey> wb nocware 
[18:36] <nocware> sup
[18:36] <kbmonkey> inetpro, I remember when wifi was a buzzword :D
[18:37] <inetpro> nocware: wb
[18:38] <kbmonkey> pyweek starts on Sunday ;)
[18:38] <inetpro> kbmonkey: there's an accepted standard behind wifi
[18:39] <nocware> inetpro: thanks 
[18:40] <kbmonkey> baked some muffins earlier. yum.
[18:42] <inetpro> kbmonkey: anyway I hope you'll be happy with that device
[18:42] <inetpro> let us know how it goes
[18:42] <inetpro> kbmonkey: but please explain that 2+3GB option
[18:44] <kbmonkey> inetpro, I'll just be happy to get net access, however it comes ;)
[18:44] <inetpro> why do they say 2+3?
[18:44] <kbmonkey> it is a 2GB data plan, and for the next 6 months they are adding an extra 3G as promotion
[18:46] <inetpro> ahh
[18:46] <inetpro> so you signed a contract?
[18:46] <inetpro> for 24 months?
[18:46] <kbmonkey> no, it is month to month, no contract
[18:46] <inetpro> cool
[18:47] <Kilos> whats coolll ggrrrrrr
[18:47] <Kilos> both modems showed they could connect but no xchat or pidgin
[18:47] <Kilos> grrr
[18:47] <kbmonkey> grrrr?
[18:49] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[18:49] <Kilos> grrrroooowl
[18:49] <Kilos> like an angry dawg
[18:50] <inetpro> Kilos: kbmonkey got himself a new deal for connectivity to the interwebs
[18:50] <Kilos> aha
[18:50] <inetpro> at 2.9c per MB for the next 6 months it's not bad
[18:51] <Kilos> thats good
[18:51] <kbmonkey> that is less than a chappie bubblegum
[18:51] <Kilos> lol
[18:52] <Kilos> look what message ian is getting on kde
[18:52] <Kilos> (18:37:06) Iany:  You are banned from this server- Your host is an open proxy (HTTP CONNECT (8080)).  Email proxyscan@freenode.net
[18:52] <kbmonkey> Kilos, what is that blue screen of CentOS you spoke of?
[18:53] <Kilos> blue is blue like the sky
[18:53] <kbmonkey> oh, not as a blue error screen? ;)
[18:53] <Kilos> i fixed it it be tentacles now
[18:53] <kbmonkey> lol
[18:53] <kbmonkey> nice
[18:53] <Kilos> no not the blue screen of death like winsucks
[18:53] <kbmonkey> open proxy? huh? he is not running a tor node is he?
[18:53] <kbmonkey> freenode blocks those
[18:54] <Kilos> i dont think he knows about tor
[18:54] <Kilos> and says he never changed any network settings
[18:56] <inetpro> Kilos: on the cli let him run 'lsof -i:8080'
[18:56] <inetpro> that should tell you the service that is running on port 8080
[18:56] <Kilos> he just gave me a pile of it trying to connect
[18:56] <Kilos> he has things wrong for starters
[18:57] <nocware> Kilos: ohh..totally forgot.Boot repair didn't help. Did the recommended fix...now all i get is Read error it didn't make it worse than before...thinking of creating a boot partition.
[18:58] <Kilos> oh my nocware 
[18:59] <nocware> I'm out of  options..
[18:59] <kbmonkey> it is worrying *why* Ian's pc has that port open 
[19:00] <kbmonkey> having grub problems nocware ?
[19:00] <nocware> i think so..already re-installed grub
[19:01] <nocware> no use
[19:04] <Kilos> (21:03:33) Iany: You are banned from this server- Your host is an open proxy (HTTP CONNECT (8080)).  Email proxyscan@freenode.net when corrected. (2013/8/29 12.35)
[19:04] <Kilos> * Closing Link: 8ta-150-247-111.telkomadsl.co.za (*** Banned )
[19:04] <Kilos> its something else causing it
[19:04] <Kilos> xchat said its using port 8001
[19:04] <Kilos> somewhere proxy settings
[19:04] <kbmonkey> Kilos, get him to run the command inetpro suggested 
[19:04] <Kilos> in kde
[19:05] <Kilos> sec
[19:05] <kbmonkey> something is serving a connection on that port. freenode checks for such things.
[19:06] <kbmonkey> see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#proxies for their explination 
[19:06] <Kilos> will get him to look at that over weekend i hope
[19:07] <Kilos> lsof -i:8080 does nothing
[19:08] <nocware> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6039275/
[19:08] <Kilos> i remember one okey here said i must try some proxy settings to use less data and that crashed my kde as well
[19:09] <kbmonkey> may be trivial, but can you try run that again as sudo, Kilos ?
[19:10] <Kilos> aha\
[19:11] <kbmonkey> hmm, it sounds flakey to change proxy settings to "use less data".
[19:12] <magespawn> if you had a caching proxy setup it would work
[19:12] <Kilos> will paste his result on my channel
[19:12] <kbmonkey> yes like squid. but Ian won't have a caching proxy now, would he?
[19:12] <Kilos> ##kilos kbmonkey 
[19:13] <Kilos> ok here  comes spam sorry
[19:13] <Kilos> COMMAND  PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME
[19:13] <Kilos> havp    1895 havp    3u  IPv4   5061      0t0  TCP *:http-alt (LISTEN)
[19:13] <Kilos> havp    1896 havp    3u  IPv4   5061      0t0  TCP *:http-alt (LISTEN)
[19:13] <Kilos> havp    1900 havp    3u  IPv4   5061      0t0  TCP *:http-alt (LISTEN)
[19:13] <Kilos> havp    1902 havp    3u  IPv4   5061      0t0  TCP *:http-alt (LISTEN)
[19:13] <Kilos> havp    1904 havp    3u  IPv4   5061      0t0  TCP *:http-alt (LISTEN)
[19:13] <Kilos> havp    1906 havp    3u  IPv4   5061      0t0  TCP *:http-alt (LISTEN)
[19:13] <Kilos> havp    1910 havp    3u  IPv4   5061      0t0  TCP *:http-alt (LISTEN)
[19:13] <Kilos> havp    6531 havp    3u  IPv4   5061      0t0  TCP *:http-alt (LISTEN)
[19:13] <Kilos> havp    6533 havp    3u  IPv4   5061      0t0  TCP *:http-alt (LISTEN)
[19:14] <inetpro> hmm
[19:14] <inetpro> havp?
[19:14] <inetpro> he running HTTP antivirus proxy?
[19:14] <inetpro> why?
[19:15] <Kilos> sec ill ask
[19:15] <magespawn> so 8080 would be an alternate for port 80 then?
[19:16] <inetpro> magespawn: no
[19:17] <magespawn> okay i am missing something then
[19:18] <inetpro> magespawn: read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_server
[19:19] <magespawn> ty
[19:19] <Kilos> he says all else running is skype and firefox
[19:20] <inetpro> Kilos: why is he running havp?
[19:20] <Kilos> what is it??
[19:20] <inetpro> he he doesn't know then he should stop and or uninstall it
[19:20] <inetpro> if he doesn't know*
[19:20] <kbmonkey> nocware, I do not see anything wrong with your grub config. possible that note at the end about making a boot partition could be the cause
[19:21] <Kilos> is havp an app inetpro 
[19:21] <kbmonkey> normally it is not an issue, but perhaps in certain configurations? it is not an ssd? or is your drive mode in bios set to AHCI?
[19:22] <inetpro> aptitude search havp
[19:22] <kbmonkey> my debian repo does not have havp, but google says it is an anti virus proxy with ClamAV scanner...
[19:22] <inetpro> Kilos: most likely a service that he chose to install for some reason
[19:23] <inetpro> it is in the ubuntu repositories
[19:23] <kbmonkey> see clamsmtp in apt
[19:23] <Kilos> ok lemme do lotsa removes
[19:23] <inetpro> or it is a service that was installed as a dependency of something else
[19:24] <Kilos> ?
[19:24] <kbmonkey> no need to have a virus scanner installed unless it is a mail server forwarding messages to clients with ThatOS(tm) ;)
[19:24] <Kilos> he has no idea
[19:24] <magespawn> inetpro: why the 8080 port though? 
[19:24] <Kilos> hehe
[19:25] <Kilos> ?
[19:25] <Kilos> my ibid opens port 8080 as well
[19:25] <inetpro> magespawn: that is probably the default port used by havp
[19:25] <magespawn> right need to read about havp then
[19:25] <inetpro> many proxy servers use 8080 by default
[19:26] <magespawn> to protect against attacks coming in on port 80 (normal http port)?
[19:27] <inetpro> magespawn: no
[19:28] <inetpro> a proxy is typically used on the inside of a network to handle all web requests on behalf of network clients
[19:28] <inetpro> the proxy server should typically not be accessible from the outside
[19:28] <Kilos> clamsmtp is installed
[19:28] <Kilos> what is it for
[19:28] <Kilos> can he remove?
[19:30] <inetpro> ClamSMTP is an SMTP proxy daemon that checks for viruses using the ClamAV anti-virus software
[19:30] <kbmonkey> we can safely say that pacakge is not installed by default
[19:30] <Kilos> aha
[19:30] <kbmonkey> I vote you remove it.
[19:32] <Kilos> i told him to
[19:32] <Kilos> i want him to come to classes with us now this
[19:32] <Kilos> banned from irc ai!
[19:34] <kbmonkey> say, can anybody here build python code into win32 exe's?
[19:34] <nocware> kbmonkey: I haven't created the boot partition yet, i think its not ssd and  i'll  check the bios drive mode.
[19:34] <Kilos> lol
[19:34] <kbmonkey> I'm failing to setup a WINE environment to do this :p
[19:35] <kbmonkey> I do not think it is a permanent ban Kilos, once that port is closed he should be okay
[19:36] <Kilos> yeah hes never caused any probs on irc so its that proxy thing
[19:36] <inetpro> Kilos: anything that is not installed by default or anything that is not consciously installed afterwards (with the correct configuration) should be removed
[19:36] <kbmonkey> may be worth checking after removal if that port was removed from the firewall white list
[19:36] <Kilos> he cant remember what where why or how
[19:37] <kbmonkey> lol, it happens on those lazy days when one browses the apt packages ;)
[19:37] <Kilos> lol
[19:38] <inetpro> always check the open ports on your PC and make sure you know what they are open for
[19:38] <inetpro> netstat -an | grep LISTEN
[19:39] <kbmonkey> thanks inetpro :) adding that to my library of scripts!
[19:41] <Kilos> how do you know whats open to the internet
[19:41] <Kilos> or how do you find them
[19:42] <kbmonkey> ^ see that command inet posted Kilos 
[19:42] <Kilos> i have it running
[19:42] <Kilos> looks like all is inside here 
[19:42] <Kilos> nothing to outside
[19:42] <inetpro> always remember, security starts at home!
[19:43] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2fSfOWPC4
[19:43] <Kilos> mine all local hey
[19:43] <inetpro> even inside a local network at home you do not want services running on your local machine that you do not know about
[19:44] <Kilos> would that same command show if anything was open to outside
[19:44] <inetpro> man netstat
[19:46] <inetpro> Kilos: on that output of yours you basically have four services running in teh background
[19:46] <inetpro> and you are actually safe with those for a very good reason
[19:47] <Kilos> which 4
[19:47] <Kilos> here is ians after lotsa remove stuffs
[19:47] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2i2DqJ6lw
[19:47] <nocware> kbmonkey: Hardware failure?
[19:48] <kbmonkey> nocware, why do you sy that?
[19:48] <inetpro> Kilos: those services of yours are all bound to localhost
[19:49] <nocware> I'm just asking..
[19:49] <kbmonkey> inetpro, is that indicated by the 4th column, all going to 0.0.0.0?
[19:50] <nocware> disk utility does show a few tests failed.
[19:50] <kbmonkey> nocware, I had some trouble before trying to boot off drives set as ACHI. 
[19:50] <Kilos> ians has lotsa stuffs
[19:50] <inetpro> 127.0.0.1 = localhost
[19:50] <kbmonkey> oh really? hmm yes hardware failure is a big possiblity :(
[19:50] <inetpro> and IIRC ::1 in tcp6 is also localhost
[19:50] <kbmonkey> thank you :)
[19:51] <nocware> kbmonkey, If it is ACHI .
[19:51] <nocware> how would i change that/
[19:52] <kbmonkey> nocware, if it booted before then that wont be a problem.
[19:52] <kbmonkey> best you start looking for a new drive 
[19:52] <nocware> I'll run some tests. Later
[19:52] <nocware> :)
[19:52] <nocware> new drive
[19:52] <kbmonkey> try fsck the disk - file system check
[19:52] <inetpro> Kilos: he needs to find out what is running on ports 139, 25, 445 and 4071
[19:53] <kbmonkey> sudo fsck.ext4 /dev/sda1
[19:53] <Kilos> how does one do that?
[19:53] <inetpro> Kilos: sudo lsof -i:###
[19:53] <nocware> I need to boot into live environment
[19:53] <kbmonkey> you cant check on a mounted partition, iIRC it will ask you to reboot and it will check on reboot for you
[19:53] <Kilos> ty
[19:54] <inetpro> or netstat -ntlp
[19:54] <kbmonkey> or boot into live nocware :)
[19:54] <nocware> Let me boot into live
[19:54] <kbmonkey> hang on nocware 
[19:54] <Kilos> run sudo touch /forcefsck and it checks on booting
[19:55] <kbmonkey> oh well
[19:56] <magespawn> how would you build pythin into a win exe kbmonkey?
[19:56] <magespawn> python
[19:56] <Kilos> 21:55:51) Iany: [sudo] password for ci-pc-lap1: 
[19:56] <Kilos> COMMAND  PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME
[19:56] <Kilos> smbd    1022 root   28u  IPv6   3725      0t0  TCP *:netbios-ssn (LISTEN)
[19:56] <Kilos> smbd    1022 root   30u  IPv4   3729      0t0  TCP *:netbios-ssn (LISTEN)
[19:56] <superfly> pyinstaller
[19:56] <superfly> magespawn: ^^
[19:57] <magespawn> thanks superfly
[19:57] <magespawn> would that run on linux?
[19:58] <superfly> apparently you can cross-compile using WINE
[19:58] <magespawn> kbmonkey seems to be struggling with it
[19:59] <superfly> kbmonkey: what you struggling with?
[20:00] <inetpro> Kilos: that looks like samba
[20:00] <Kilos> samba is for a server?
[20:01] <Kilos> samba not needed in kde?
[20:01] <Kilos> can he remove it?
[20:01] <inetpro> samba can be very useful for hsaring files between multiple systems 
[20:02] <inetpro> or for sharing printers
[20:02] <inetpro> but if you don't know how to use it it needs to go
[20:02] <Kilos> so its safe then
[20:02] <inetpro> you can introduce vulnerabilities big time
[20:02] <Kilos> ow
[20:03] <inetpro> if your stuff is not properly configured anyone from the interwebs can see your files
[20:03] <inetpro> and possibly even dump and change your files
[20:03] <inetpro> or delete
[20:04] <kbmonkey> hello superfly - I was trying to compile my ludum dare game entry to a win32 binary so that the windows people can play it
[20:04] <kbmonkey> windows people dont seem to know about source code XD
[20:04] <Kilos> so is it safe to remove samba till we got irc fixed inetpro ?
[20:05] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21GIrtleE
[20:05] <inetpro> if havp is removed, and it looks like it is, then irc should be fine
[20:05] <Kilos> whats the microsoft stuff in there
[20:05] <magespawn> kbmonkey: would the compile work better on a win system?
[20:06] <kbmonkey> magespawn, not better. but it bundles the dependencies in one download 
[20:06] <inetpro> samba can be used to make your PC look like a microsoft file server
[20:06] <kbmonkey> as opposed to installing python and pygame seperately
[20:07] <inetpro> Kilos: let hom run the following: sudo netstat -ntulp
[20:07] <Kilos> still banned
[20:08] <inetpro> Kilos: he's probably blacklisted
[20:08] <Kilos> by irc?
[20:08] <magespawn> kbmonkey: i can try do it here if you want
[20:08] <Kilos> hes never online
[20:08] <inetpro> 29/08 21:04:11 <Kilos> (21:03:33) Iany: You are banned from this server- Your host is an open proxy (HTTP CONNECT (8080)).  Email proxyscan@freenode.net when corrected. (2013/8/29 12.35)
[20:08] <superfly> kbmonkey: you using PyInstaller?
[20:08] <inetpro> blacklisted by freenode
[20:08] <magespawn> on the plus side the recommended study time for LPIC 101 is 40 hours
[20:09] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2fvXiVVey
[20:09] <inetpro> he'll have to send that email 
[20:09] <magespawn> so if we average 4 hours a week 10 weeks
[20:10] <magespawn> then we finish with it the middle of novemberish
[20:11] <inetpro> Kilos: if he doesn't know why he needs a specific service he should not be running it
[20:12] <Kilos> what are those proxyscan things
[20:12] <kbmonkey> superfly, I tried py2exe on a work machine, but the resulting exe did not work. so now I am trying pyinstaller in WINE (have been too busy at work to play with games there)
[20:12] <kbmonkey> magespawn, that would be nice if you can thank you :)
[20:13] <kbmonkey> let me see what is involved to do that...
[20:13] <superfly> kbmonkey: I've never tried it myself, but according to one of the developers, that should work. Presuming you have all the actual Windows DLLs installed.
[20:13] <superfly> kbmonkey: also, you need to install 32-bit everything because WINE is 32-bit
[20:13] <kbmonkey> yes, I use 32-bit everything
[20:22] <kbmonkey> magespawn, not to worry, I will try pyinstaller at work tomorrow over lunch or early before work. thanks anyway :)
[20:22] <magespawn> np would have be interesting to try
[20:23] <kbmonkey> if you like you can try. I am looking at the docs now on this..
[20:23] <magespawn> i would need detailed instructions, being a tad clueless about this
[20:26] <kbmonkey> hmm, it seems like step 1 is it builds a spec file, step 2 involves tweaking this file. I don't think it will work first time ;)
[20:26] <magespawn> well we can have a look tomorrow then
[20:27] <kbmonkey> sure thing, I will gather all my knowledge for then :)
[20:27] <magespawn> cool beans
[20:27] <Kilos> hehe
[20:27] <kbmonkey> I did not get this far yet, failing to setup the WINE ;)
[20:27] <magespawn> will also have adsl in the morning
[20:27] <inetpro> ai!
[20:27] <Trixar_za> I actually have wine running an mIRC bot
[20:28] <inetpro> damn Vodacom is still as useless as ever here
[20:28] <Trixar_za> oh an hi :P
[20:28] <Kilos> he has mailed freenode inetpro 
[20:28] <Kilos> hehe
[20:29] <nocware> Hey
[20:29] <nocware> Kbmonkey?
[20:29] <kbmonkey> hello
[20:30] <nocware> :/
[20:30] <Kilos> nocware, fixed?
[20:30] <nocware> U said it would reboot right?
[20:31] <nocware> Actually fsck...damaged my system...
[20:31] <kbmonkey> wat?
[20:31] <Kilos> wow
[20:31] <kbmonkey> does the drive health still show as having errors?
[20:31] <nocware> On booting....unknown filesystem..
[20:32] <kbmonkey> oh noes :(
[20:32] <nocware> I'm on my phone...
[20:32] <nocware> :(
[20:32] <kbmonkey> you should be able to boot the live cd still
[20:33] <nocware> Ohh well have a separate home partition..
[20:33] <Kilos> nocware, wait a bit
[20:33] <Kilos> have you got backups
[20:33] <kbmonkey> okay that is good at least.
[20:34] <Kilos> nocware, have you got a external to save to
[20:35] <nocware> Not now, i could wait planning on getting one this week or next.
[20:35] <nocware> Kilos
[20:35] <kbmonkey> boot the live cd, and you can split that partition into that boot,/ partitions that grub info script suggested
[20:35] <Kilos> then we save all you packages in archives
[20:36] <Kilos> and rsync home but dont use it till we got the drive fixed
[20:37] <Kilos> then we format drive and partition nicely and install
[20:37] <Kilos> maybe some corruption in there in the boot sector or something
[20:37]  * inetpro waves everyone a good night o/
[20:38] <Kilos> night inetpro ty very much
[20:38] <Kilos> whew look at the time
[20:38] <inetpro> Kilos: you're welcome
[20:38]  * Kilos bows in gratitude
[20:38] <inetpro> bye
[20:39] <nocware> I'm looking at gparted and only option is well format. 
[20:39] <kbmonkey> gn inetpro o/
[20:39] <nocware> Night inetpro
[20:40] <kbmonkey> oh dear. it sounds like the partition table of the drive is missing nocware 
[20:40] <Kilos> wait noc
[20:40] <Kilos> how big is your drive
[20:41] <nocware> Whole drive is 250
[20:43] <Kilos> ok so you must have spare space
[20:43] <Kilos> if you look with gparted you should be able to resixe a section and make that a storage partition
[20:43] <Kilos> '
[20:44] <kbmonkey> nocware, apparently you can recover your partition table..
[20:44] <kbmonkey> see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=370121
[20:44] <nocware> Kbmonkey I'll look at it.
[20:44] <kbmonkey> you do it from live cd. does live have xchat?
[20:45] <Kilos> nocware, you on 3g or adsl uncapped
[20:45] <Kilos> on live you can install xchat
[20:46] <kbmonkey> if you can get your home back, just reinstall the os part and include that boot partition. and keep your home as it is
[20:46] <nocware> 3g kilos
[20:46] <Kilos> maybe there is something corrupt in home kbmonkey 
[20:47] <Kilos> then we gotta save all downloaded packages
[20:47] <Kilos> i do a 12.04 install and only use 20m data
[20:48] <Kilos> but then i have a remastersys dvd
[20:48] <kbmonkey> Kilos is master at saving those archives :)
[20:48] <tumbleweed> inetpro: yeah, hi
[20:48] <Kilos> 3g makes anyone good at trying to save
[20:48] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed 
[20:48] <Kilos> you home yet?
[20:48] <nocware> :) kilos
[20:48] <tumbleweed> yeah, got back on monday
[20:48] <Kilos> wb tumbleweed 
[20:49] <Kilos> we gotta chat sometime please but not tonight
[20:49] <nocware> I'll do a clean install...I've saved packages before using aptonCd  
[20:50] <nocware> Kilos
[20:50] <Kilos> nocware, first go to /var/cache/apt/archives/
[20:50] <Kilos> aptoncd dont work with 12.04 by me
[20:50] <Kilos> you know how to get to /archives/? nocware 
[20:51] <Kilos> home
[20:51] <Kilos> then filesystem
[20:51] <Kilos> then /var/cache/apt/archives/
[20:51] <Kilos> then on archives right click and properties
[20:52] <Kilos> and hope youve been saving them 
[20:52] <nocware> Ok
[20:52] <Kilos> how many meg or gig
[20:53] <Kilos> i got 7g of 12.04 already
[20:53] <Kilos> hehe
[20:55] <kbmonkey> that sure is a lot of download Kilos 
[20:56] <Kilos> its every package that 12.04 has used kbmonkey 
[20:56] <kbmonkey> nocware, I hope that recovery works. *cross fingers*
[20:56] <Kilos> i save them all
[20:56] <magespawn> Kilos how about testdisk to redo the file system?
[20:57] <Kilos> testdisk from live cd?
[20:57] <Kilos> dunno how well it works on a working drive
[20:57] <magespawn> not sure if it is on there
[20:57] <Kilos> you gotta install it
[20:58] <magespawn> i think it can redo the file system, not a 100% sure though
[20:58] <magespawn> i can ony check tomorrow
[20:58] <Kilos> but better to work from another drive
[20:59] <Kilos> at times its not worth all the hassles. easier to clean install
[20:59] <Kilos> hes been battling for a week
[20:59] <magespawn> s/ony/only
[20:59] <Kilos> 2 or 3 hours and new install running kiff
[21:00] <kbmonkey> what could have caused the boot loader to break liek that?
[21:01] <Kilos> yeah but something bad wrong there because boot-repair always fixes boot probs
[21:01] <Kilos> maybe a bad block even
[21:02] <Kilos> i got a bad block command but also must use from another drive
[21:03] <Kilos> how did you do the fsck just now nocware 
[21:03] <Kilos> from cd?
[21:04] <nocware> No.
[21:04] <nocware> My mistake
[21:04] <nocware> Im thinking a clean install...
[21:04] <Kilos> have you found the archives
[21:05] <nocware> Nope.
[21:05] <Kilos> do you want to save the downloaded packages?
[21:06] <magespawn> i off to bed, good night all
[21:06] <Kilos> night magespawn 
[21:06] <nocware> I do have an iso with some packages...i used aptonCD
[21:06] <Kilos> sleep tight
[21:06] <nocware> Night
[21:06] <kbmonkey> nite magespawn o/
[21:06] <nocware> Magespawn
[21:07] <Kilos> lets try one more fsck from cd
[21:07] <kbmonkey> I dont think fsck will work without a partition table Kilos 
[21:07] <Kilos> boot from cd then run sudo fsck -f /dev/sda1
[21:07] <Kilos> is the partition table gone
[21:08] <Kilos> thats mbr corrupt
[21:08] <nocware> Yup.kbmonkey
[21:08] <nocware> Superblock could not be read....
[21:08] <kbmonkey> no, the mbr defines what to boot, the part table defines how your drive is partitioned
[21:08] <Kilos> the boot sector
[21:09] <kbmonkey> technically your data is still there nocware, if that recovery helps to restore the part table, you can access the data again
[21:09] <Kilos> brub installs a bit to mbr
[21:11] <nocware> Superblock has an invalid journal
[21:11] <nocware> Inode (8)
[21:11] <nocware> kbmonkey
[21:11] <Kilos> something corrupt
[21:12] <nocware> There is an option to clear
[21:13] <kbmonkey> what are you busy doing nocware ?
[21:13] <Kilos> nocware, do you have a largish usb stick?
[21:13] <nocware> kbmonkey? I don't get.
[21:13] <kbmonkey> I do not understand what option to clear means
[21:14] <Kilos> hard when the pc isnt in front of you hey
[21:14] <nocware> Clear<y>? On the cli
[21:14] <nocware> kbmonkey
[21:15] <kbmonkey> what command did you run?
[21:15] <nocware> Sudo fsck -f /dev/sda1
[21:16] <kbmonkey> no, dont run fsck again
[21:16] <kbmonkey> it wont without a partition table
[21:17] <Kilos> i would do it
[21:17] <Kilos> it normally asks fix it >y
[21:17] <nocware> Kilos :) 
[21:17] <Kilos> haha
[21:17] <nocware> I'll try gpart tomorrow.
[21:18] <nocware> Seeing as it's late.
[21:18] <kbmonkey> okay :]
[21:18] <Kilos> ok sleep tight nocware 
[21:18] <nocware> Thanks for the help.
[21:18] <nocware> Goodnight.
[21:18] <nocware> Kilos
[21:18] <Kilos> probs like that keep me up all night till its fixed
[21:18] <nocware> kbmonkey
[21:18] <Kilos> np
[21:18] <kbmonkey> gn :)
[21:19] <nocware> I have something exhausting tommorow.
[21:19] <nocware> Tomorrow*
[21:19] <Kilos> eish
[21:19] <kbmonkey> Im seeing double already -.-
[21:20] <nocware> I'm 
[21:20] <Kilos> both of us
[21:20] <nocware> :)
[21:20] <nocware> Ok.
[21:20] <Kilos> im normally asleep an hour ago
[21:20] <Kilos> no more
[21:20] <nocware> Same here.
[21:21] <Kilos> but if you wanna go on ill stay up
[21:21] <Kilos> monkyou work tomorrow?
[21:22] <Kilos> ai!
[21:22] <Kilos> kbmonkey, 
[21:23] <Kilos> shame thats so frustrating
[21:23] <Kilos> night all of you. sleep tight
[21:30] <kbmonkey> Maaz, tell kilos good night!
[21:30] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode