[00:00] <knome> okay, i'm off for today
[00:00] <knome> see you all later
[00:02] <bluesabre> seeya knome
[02:39] <micahg> bluesabre: if mugshot gets sponsored to Debian NEW before morning, I'll upload to Ubuntu
[02:41] <micahg> bluesabre: BTW, you can reuse version numbers on mentors FWIW
[02:43] <micahg> bluesabre: we can for sure throw mugshot in backports, did you want it integrated with something?
[02:46] <smartboyhw> bluesabre: Please look at the lintian informational warnings at http://mentors.debian.net/package/mugshot (and you can use debhelper 9)
[03:33] <knome> micahg, if possible, we'd like mugshot in the seed...
[03:36] <micahg> knome: hrm, the package still needs help and I can't do everything myself
[03:36] <micahg> I'm trying to update goffice/gnumeric and get the gtk3 panel stuff in
[03:36] <micahg> knome: did we want the whole xfce4-settigs?
[03:36] <micahg> *xfce4-settings
[03:37] <knome> well mr_pouit said it'd be ok to cherry-pick the display dialog, but wasn't sure about the whole package
[03:38] <micahg> hrm, he was concerned about testing
[03:38] <knome> i don't mind if we pull it all in, but i understand his concerns
[03:38] <micahg> I don't feel qualified to do a cherry pick ATM
[03:38] <knome> if you're fine with the technical side, i can give us all the testing you need
[03:39] <micahg> knome: I'm fine pulling in patches as needed from upstream to fix bugs as long as it's not too bad
[03:39] <micahg> oh, you meant for a cherry pick
[03:39] <micahg> I'm a bit too tired right now
[03:40] <knome> for a cherry-pick or a whole pull of -settings
[03:40] <micahg> cherry-pick, all of -settings is a sync from experimental thanks to noskcaj
[03:41] <knome> mmh, are we sure it's supposed to work without pulling other components? 
[03:41] <micahg> it builds...
[03:41] <knome> okay - again, if you're fine with that, i'm fine with organizing us testing with elfy...
[03:42] <micahg> Lionel seemed to imply the settings were compatible
[03:42] <micahg> I'm fine with it if it's not a rabbit hole 
[03:42] <knome> yeah... but i also recall he said we needed some dependency
[03:42] <knome> well who knows?
[03:42] <knome> :)
[03:43] <knome>  You can
[03:43] <knome> cherry-pick the display settings, of course, but you'll need to
[03:43] <knome> cherry-pick the corresponding changes in xfsettingsd as well, otherwise
[03:43] <knome> new features won't work.
[03:43] <micahg> that's in the same package :)
[03:43] <knome> okay
[03:43] <knome> so what he was unsure was the xkb module as well
[03:44] <knome> as long as we make sure that gets testing, we should be saf
[03:44] <knome> *safe
[03:44] <micahg> normally, I'd say, let's get testing first, but...
[03:44] <knome> me too
[03:45] <knome> if it's broken, let's pursue to fix it  :)
[03:45] <micahg> OvenWerk1: ^^ since you're affected, any opinions?
[03:45] <knome> it'll also get into beta 1, so nice
[03:46] <micahg> knome: can you sort out with zequence in the morning since Studio is affected, it's just a button for me
[03:46] <knome> re: mugshot, what do we need done and do you know somebody who i could aks to do that?
[03:46] <knome> sure.
[03:46] <smartboyhw> knome, what's the issue?
[03:46]  * smartboyhw is awakey
[03:47] <micahg> knome: needs lintian fixes or someone who doesn't care about the lintian issues to upload to Debian, then I'll fakesync to Ubuntu
[03:47] <knome> well, we're about to pull in new xfce4-settings. studio fine with that?
[03:47] <smartboyhw> knome, I think we are good, we just follow whatever Xubuntu does:P
[03:48] <smartboyhw> As long as you guys test it, it will not be such a big issue for Studio
[03:48] <knome> hopefully so
[03:48] <knome> micahg, with that ^, feel free to go ahead with -setting (sbh is the US release manager)
[03:49]  * smartboyhw has never heard anybody nicknaming him as sbh-.-
[03:52] <Unit193> I just use smarty, but sbh is better (if you can remember it.)  mugshot "passed" lintian, but rules file still seems a bit odd.
[03:52] <knome> Unit193, would you be willing to find somebody to work on it, like now? :)
[03:53]  * smartboyhw can, after three hours
[03:54] <knome> Unit193, keep smartboyhw updated if you didn't find anybody before that :)
[03:54] <Unit193> knome: That will do I'd guess.
[03:54] <smartboyhw> Unit193, are you sure it's Lintian clean?
[03:54] <smartboyhw> http://mentors.debian.net/package/mugshot -.-
[03:55] <smartboyhw> At least one of them can be fixed (if not all)
[03:55] <smartboyhw> Use dh 9, blah blah blah
[03:57] <Unit193> Hrm, was catfish?  I may have gotten the two mixed up...
[03:58] <smartboyhw> Unit193, LOL
[03:58] <Unit193> Yes?
[03:59] <smartboyhw> Unit193, next time: Don't mix the packages:)
[03:59] <Unit193> Sure, I'll make sure to never make a mistake again.
[04:00] <knome> smartboyhw, yes daddy
[04:01] <smartboyhw> knome, ......
[04:01]  * smartboyhw hates knome-like jokes
[04:01] <knome> :P
[04:01] <knome> sorry, i forgot you didn't like that kind of jokes at all
[04:02] <smartboyhw> First part can't understand about mugshot: Why do you have to override_dh_installman?
[04:02]  * Unit193 sticks knome out on the lawn for being bad.
[04:02] <knome> heh
[04:02] <smartboyhw> The correct fix will be adding a debian/mugshot.manpages file and in the file type debian/mugshot.1
[04:03] <knome> bluesabre, ^
[04:03] <smartboyhw> And why do you have to explicitly rm .debhelper.log? It should get removed when using debuild -S
[04:06] <OvenWerk1> micahg, bluesabre, knome ... I have been waiting for some of this stuff for a while...
[04:07] <OvenWerk1> rumours but no new sw for too long ;)
[04:07] <knome> OvenWerk1, yeah.
[04:07] <micahg> -settings uploaded
[04:07] <knome> micahg, thanks
[04:08] <micahg> BTW, gtk-theme-config hit debian-devel-changes, so I should be able to sync to Ubuntu in the morning
[04:08] <OvenWerk1> The monitor stuff is of interest because a large number of multimedia developers use more than one.
[04:09] <micahg> gah, I think I'm too tired to finish this stuff :(
[04:09] <OvenWerk1> it is a pain using one program to set them up and another to save them or a script set them up.
[04:09] <OvenWerk1> micahg: no worries. Whatever we get we get.
[04:10] <micahg> knome: I think I'll try to get an FFe for the indicator stuff
[04:19] <knome> micahg, okay. does that mean you'll handle the paperwork?
[04:19] <knome> pleia2, to get things eventually done, what was the server where you had access to?
[04:19] <micahg> yeah, I'm thinking to just send a mail to -release now
[04:19] <knome> pleia2, re:  [knome] Get IS set up static.xubuntu.org on a server where pleia2 has file access: TODO
[04:32] <micahg> knome: mail sent to -release
[04:34] <knome> noticed
[04:57] <knome> sent mail, -team might want to check that out (also, specifically ping jjfrv8 :)
[05:50] <pleia2> knome: strontium & neodymium, strontium is where docs.xubuntu.org is
[05:53] <knome> is that what you'd prefer?
[05:54] <pleia2> yeah, strontium makes the most sense unless they have a preference otherwise
[05:54] <knome> sure
[05:55] <knome> i'll file a ticket
[05:55] <pleia2> thank you
[05:55] <knome> nooo problemooo
[05:56]  * pleia2 hugs knome 
[05:56] <pleia2> now I go get more rest
[05:56] <knome> okay, rest well :)
[05:56]  * knome hugs pleia2 
[06:00] <knome> pleia2, also, done.
[06:24] <knome> bbl
[06:31] <elfy> knome: I've seen the chat/mail and will liase before these things arrive to set up testing for them
[07:10] <ochosi> does anyone here have an overview over what got uploaded yesterday and what didn't?
[07:11] <elfy> not me - I got confused - just waiting to see what needs testing ... 
[07:13] <ochosi> yeah, no worries, just wait a few days and it'll all be clear (as knome mentioned in his email)
[07:15] <elfy> yep
[07:17] <Unit193> http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gtk-theme-config.html mugshot is still on mentors though.  What other packages were you looking at?
[07:18] <knome> elfy, there's going to be some changes to settings manager on friday
[07:19] <elfy> ok
[07:20] <ochosi> Unit193: the panel and indicators
[07:20] <knome> elfy, we will also be regaining indicators, so that possibly
[07:20] <elfy> yep
[07:20] <knome> elfy, first one also means reviewing the testcases we currently have
[07:21] <elfy> yea I understood that to be the case
[07:21] <knome> all others should be "only" normal new versions
[07:21] <knome> but it'll all clear up for us after a few days :)
[07:21] <elfy> I noticed you got nowhere talking to balloons about the dead tests killing packages.qa
[07:22] <knome> yeah, we need stgraber
[07:22] <elfy> yep
[07:22] <knome> and i need to file a bug
[07:22] <elfy> well as soon as you do I'll confirm it :p
[07:22] <Unit193> ochosi: Looked like FFe on those.
[07:23] <knome> Unit193, was gtk-theme-config already in, or pending?
[07:26] <Unit193> It's in now, out of NEW.
[07:27] <smartboyhw> \o/ i guess
[07:27] <knome> yay
[07:27] <knome> Unit193, sent email to list about that, thanks for reminding.
[07:32] <Unit193> knome: Out of new, not in Ubuntu yet.
[07:33] <knome> aha
[07:33] <knome> reply to whatever message that's appropriate.
[07:33] <knome> er
[07:33] <knome> eith
[07:33] <knome> with
[07:33] <smartboyhw> Um, just request a sync?
[07:33] <knome> this is what you get with 2h sleep
[07:34]  * smartboyhw pushes knome to more sleep
[07:34] <smartboyhw> You need energy man
[07:34] <knome> smartboyhw, please, comments like "you should do this" or "just do this" aren't helpful, i'm sure our developers know what they need to do
[07:34] <Unit193> That's what he was planning on tomorrow.
[07:34] <knome> smartboyhw, on the other hand, if you wish to help, you are definitely free to request a sync yourself and take care of it
[07:35]  * smartboyhw requests a sync
[07:35] <Unit193> [03:34:30] < Unit193> That's what he was planning on tomorrow.
[07:36] <smartboyhw> Unit193, yeah
[07:56] <smartboyhw> ochosi, I'm trying to package light-locker into Debian, but weirdly I'm seeing all the files having copyright that is not the 3 people listed in AUTHORS or MAINTAINERS -.-
[08:00] <ochosi> that's because it's a gnome-screensaver fork
[08:03] <smartboyhw> ochosi, um, I thought you guys changed something and added your own copyright
[08:05] <ochosi> we did change something, but mostly kicked out gnome-dependency code
[08:05] <ochosi> we also added some pieces
[08:05] <ochosi> i'll ask peter bout it, but i think it'll stay like that
[08:06] <smartboyhw> ochosi, so, when did you guys start to work on the project? 2012 or 2013?
[08:06] <ochosi> 2013
[08:07] <ochosi> you can check the github repo if you wanna be sure ;)
[08:11] <knome> ok, who pointed gtk-theme-config stuff to xubuntu-devel mailing list?
[08:12] <ochosi> no idea, maybe satya didn't know any better,i'm not sure who's the driver of that project in launchpad
[08:12] <knome> wondering if that is related to sbh requesting a sync
[08:13] <smartboyhw> knome, wait, I haven't requested yet
[08:13] <smartboyhw> And I didn't do ANYTHING to gtk-theme-config
[08:14] <smartboyhw> (Not even the mailing lsit)
[08:14] <knome> smartboyhw, i'm not accusing you, i was just wondering
[08:14] <smartboyhw> knome, not me:)
[08:14] <knome> i suppose this is the expected outcome of what micah said yesterday for me
[08:14] <knome> which i ack'd, and it's fine, because he's going to fix that :)
[08:17] <Unit193> knome: Yes.
[08:17] <Unit193> http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gtk-theme-config/news/20130829T040006Z.html maintainer.
[08:19] <knome> jjfrv8, merged you fixes to SD. thanks!
[08:19] <knome> Unit193, yep, that's what he said.
[08:19] <knome> just good to know where all that mail is coming from
[08:20] <Unit193> knome: Should have a second one coming soon?
[08:20] <Unit193> knome: ...What was the subject?
[08:20] <knome> second what?
[08:20] <knome> there was six
[08:20] <knome> no, five
[08:21] <smartboyhw> ochosi, uploaded the package to Debian mentors, waiting for review:)
[08:21] <Unit193> ...._amd64.changes ACCEPTED into unstable
[08:21] <knome> yup
[08:21] <knome> source rejected
[08:21] <knome> Source-only uploads are not allowed.
[08:23] <knome> ideally, we should list all of the new and major uploads in the development blueprint to keep track of them
[08:23] <ochosi> knome: +1
[08:24] <knome> Unit193, you on top of the situation?
[08:24] <knome> Unit193, want to update the blueprint or go through it with me?
[08:25] <Unit193> If you think I know more than you...
[08:25] <knome> i need working brain
[08:26] <lderan> have mine
[08:26] <knome> ha
[08:27] <knome> so...
[08:27] <knome> mic: gtk3 indicators: inprogress
[08:27] <Unit193> Most likely FFe, from scrollback unless someone can read better than I can.
[08:27] <knome> yep, that's it
[08:28] <knome> but that's irrelevant for the blueprint
[08:28] <Unit193> "I think I'll try to get an FFe for the indicator stuff"
[08:28] <Unit193> SUre.
[08:28] <knome> he's done it pretty much, sent mail to -release and got +1
[08:28] <knome> (or at least kind of... :))
[08:28] <knome> i'd consider that a +1.
[08:28] <knome> anyway, what else?
[08:28] <knome> gtk-theme-config
[08:28] <ochosi> yup
[08:29] <knome> who's working on that?
[08:29] <Unit193> Mica, made it past NEW and said to be fakesync tomorrow.
[08:30] <Unit193> dinstall *should* get it (running now: http://ftp-master.debian.org/dinstall.status )
[08:30] <knome> xfce4-settings
[08:30] <knome> mic, inprog?
[08:31] <knome> mugshot, -dev, todo ?
[08:31] <ochosi> mugshot would be really nice to have
[08:31] <knome> we'll need to file a FFe for that most probably
[08:31] <Unit193> mugshot is on mentors and RFS sent, no bites I've seen.
[08:31] <knome> Unit193, so who's the one working on it? blu?
[08:31] <Unit193> knome: -settings is in exp, cherry-pick/whatever.
[08:31] <knome> mic?
[08:31] <Unit193> knome: Blue.
[08:32] <ochosi> what's with all the nick-abbreviations suddenly?
[08:32] <knome> we need a term for "getting package in the repositories and seeds"
[08:32] <knome> ochosi, don't want to hilight them for no reason
[08:32] <ochosi> aren't nicknames already abbreviations most times?
[08:33] <ochosi> alright
[08:33] <Unit193> http://mentors.debian.net/package/mugshot - http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2013/08/msg00279.html
[08:33] <knome> like "ochosi" is abbreviation of "simon" and "knome" of "pasi" ? :>
[08:33] <Unit193> "Unit193" is shorter than "Unit 193"
[08:33] <smartboyhw> And knome abbreviated sbh as me:O
[08:33] <knome> you're cheating
[08:33] <lderan> :O
[08:33] <smartboyhw> Unit193, hey, wrong rules
[08:34] <knome> yeah, and as "smartboyhw" is an abbr of "howard"
[08:34] <lderan> tom is shorter then lderan :P
[08:34] <smartboyhw> lderan, LOL
[08:34] <knome> lderan, but ain't tom a nickname too?
[08:34] <lderan> knome, indeed, i think
[08:34] <knome> lol
[08:35] <knome> well it's not your birth name
[08:35] <knome> aiui
[08:35] <knome> you tell me! :P
[08:35] <lderan> technicalities :P
[08:35] <knome> heh
[08:37] <Unit193> knome: That it?
[08:37] <knome> i suppose.
[08:38] <knome> work items updated
[08:38] <knome> ideally, this happens as soon as people propose something to be included an that's ack'd by the team...
[08:45]  * Noskcaj is the only one not longer than his name
[08:45] <knome> what about pleia2 <-> Elizabeth
[08:46] <Noskcaj> good point
[08:46] <smartboyhw> knome, good point
[08:46] <Noskcaj> OMG, this is the first time i've seen mr pouit online, ever
[08:46] <smartboyhw> Well wait, smartboyhw is much longer then Howard...
[08:46] <Noskcaj> (it's bad this is an achievement)
[08:46] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, congrats then
[08:47] <Noskcaj> Possible Success!
[09:18] <Noskcaj> micahg, My internet isn't fast enough to merge gnumeric, i'll have to leave it to you
[09:20] <bluesabre> well, they've at least set the severity to normal: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=721208
[09:20] <bluesabre> thanks everyone for all the notes
[09:21] <bluesabre> if the debian packager docs were a bit easier to find/search, I would be having an easier time with all this :)
[09:22] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Everything you should need is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/
[09:22] <bluesabre> smartboyhw, I explicitly remove .debhelper.log because debhelper was adding it, not deleting it, and then failing lintian
[09:22] <smartboyhw> bluesabre, weird
[09:22] <smartboyhw> I remember a command clearing these
[09:24] <lderan> knome, private voting mp has been merged and will be deployed later today :)
[09:25] <Unit193> Nice!
[09:27] <knome> woo
[09:32] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Shouldn't dh_autoclean and dh_clean fix that?
[09:40] <bluesabre> should, but don't
[09:40] <bluesabre> trying to fix now
[09:43] <knome> coffee time!
[09:43]  * smartboyhw passes along a cup of coffee to knome 
[09:44] <Noskcaj> Can someone have a look at adding a xubuntu OEM slideshow? I made one a few months a go but AFAIK, no one merged it
[09:50] <knome> Noskcaj, i'd still like to discuss what the point of the xubuntu "oem" installation is
[09:50]  * smartboyhw does not think any OEMs will ship Xubuntu as default
[09:51] <Noskcaj> knome, It adds the slideshow to people using the OEM-config option.
[09:51] <Noskcaj> Ideally with symlinks
[09:52] <knome> yes, but what does the user gain from installing with oem, and why should the slideshow be different?
[09:52] <bluesabre> user doesn't gain anything, but somebody providing it for an end-user gains "here's your new xubuntu computer"
[09:53] <bluesabre> ideal for selling or donating
[09:53] <knome> umm, right..
[09:53] <Noskcaj> knome, Without an OEM slideshow, the OEM-config is just a progress bar, and an icon that changes randomly
[09:53] <knome> so the end-user booting the pc sees that slideshow?
[09:53] <knome> or the one who installs the pc 
[09:54] <smartboyhw> knome, installs I think
[09:54] <knome> if it's who installs, i still don't understand the reason why we would want a different slideshow
[09:54] <smartboyhw> And if it is the end-user, that end-user won't see the slideshow for that long enough
[09:55] <knome> or to put it other way, then it should be completely different
[09:55] <bluesabre> its first boot for somebody receiving the computer for the first time
[09:55] <Noskcaj> knome, end user
[09:55] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, exactly
[09:55] <smartboyhw> bluesabre, Noskcaj how long does that user see the slideshow?
[09:55] <bluesabre> like when you start a brand new windows computer you just bought
[09:55] <knome> ewww
[09:55] <knome> ;)
[09:55] <smartboyhw> ewww
[09:56] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, how long is it?
[09:56] <lderan> poor windows :P
[09:56] <knome> in that case, the slideshow shouldn't say:
[09:56] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, in my experience, 10-15 minutes
[09:56] <bluesabre> it provides initial user config outside of the xubuntu installer
[09:56] <knome>                 <p>You have chosen to install the latest version of Xubuntu, 13.10.</p>
[09:56] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, ha!?
[09:56] <knome> but "You are running", or sth
[09:56] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, from my experience, testing OEM's user-installation stage doesn't need 8 minutes
[09:56] <bluesabre> knome: exactly
[09:56] <smartboyhw> So, you need to shorten that
[09:57] <smartboyhw> 10-15 minutes would mean, an actual installation
[09:57] <smartboyhw> (Starting from the slideshow first appears)
[09:57] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, Then i need to get my mod finished already, this laptop take 45min for a full install
[09:57] <knome> if/as it's the end-user seeing that, a separate slideshow makes sense, but the merge proposal doesn't
[09:58] <smartboyhw> lol
[09:58] <bluesabre> smartboyhw: debhelper 9 adds new lintian warning, sticking with 8
[09:58] <bluesabre> http://mentors.debian.net/package/mugshot
[09:58] <smartboyhw> bluesabre, you should kill these warnigns
[09:58] <smartboyhw> *warnings
[09:58] <smartboyhw> What sort of warning does it add?
[09:58] <knome> smartboyhw, no shit sherlock
[09:58]  * smartboyhw only sees LESS warnings from 8->9
[09:58] <smartboyhw> !language | knome 
[09:58] <bluesabre> thats because I fixed the other problems
[09:59] <smartboyhw> bluesabre, what's the lintian warning?
[09:59] <smartboyhw> I mean, the newly appearing one
[09:59] <bluesabre> package-needs-versioned-debhelper-build-depends: 9
[09:59] <knome> got to fire up the desktop i guess
[10:00] <smartboyhw> bluesabre, huh, that's because you didn't bump debian/control's build-depends debhelper versino
[10:00] <bluesabre> ah
[10:00] <bluesabre> :(
[10:01] <smartboyhw> bluesabre, so:P
[10:01] <Noskcaj> lol
[10:02] <bluesabre> here's one more go :)
[10:04]  * knome hands bluesabre a lotto coupon
[10:04]  * smartboyhw does wonder if knome has a lot of lotto products at home
[10:06]  * Noskcaj officially hates symbols files
[10:06] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, OK, I admit, symbols is a big hate for me too, initially
[10:06] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html
[10:07] <smartboyhw> This will give you some convenice
[10:07] <smartboyhw> *convenience
[10:07] <Noskcaj> thanks, i'll try that
[10:09] <bluesabre> woot, finally lintian clean
[10:09] <bluesabre> thanks smartboyhw
[10:09] <smartboyhw> bluesabre, :)
[10:10] <knome> Unit193, you still around?
[10:10] <Unit193> No.
[10:10] <smartboyhw> LOL
[10:11] <knome> okay, so in that case, how hard it would be to create an iso that had the xubuntu oem installation stuff from Noskcaj's repo (to see if it works as is and to see how it'd look like) ?
[10:11] <Noskcaj> knome, since all that is new to me and i have to go to bed in 5 minutes, very
[10:11] <knome> i was asking Unit193 
[10:11] <smartboyhw> HAHAHA
[10:11] <knome> but thanks for stepping up
[10:12] <Unit193> Ooooh, he could do it when he wakes up!
[10:12]  * smartboyhw thinks we need to generate a new version of package with Noskcaj's changes
[10:12] <Unit193> knome: Package, raw?
[10:12] <knome> Unit193, wha?
[10:12] <knome> whatever is the easiest way to do that
[10:12] <Noskcaj> Unit193, point is, don
[10:12] <Noskcaj> 't bother telling me how now
[10:12] <Unit193> "repo" I'm guessing is bzr?
[10:13] <knome> Unit193, yes, https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-oem
[10:13] <knome> Unit193, but basically the content we have on our slideshow right now goes as well
[10:13] <Noskcaj> knome, That's not up-to-date with the changes though, but i'll try
[10:14] <Noskcaj> And i need to symlink the stuff
[10:14] <knome> Noskcaj, let's see if Unit193 would have the time to do it now
[10:14] <knome> Noskcaj, if not, then we can discuss if you want to work on it now
[10:14] <knome> -now
[10:14] <Noskcaj> plz Unit193?
[10:14] <knome> at this point, i'm not interested in the actual slideshow but how it'll turn out to be
[10:15] <knome> if we decide to go with an oem slideshow (which is what i'm trying to find out with the ISO), i think we should review the slideshow anyway
[10:15] <Unit193> So, iso with updated, out of repo package?
[10:15] <knome> should probably be much more to the point and only highlight 2-3 most important things
[10:16] <knome> Unit193, or iso with a package that has 'cp slideshows/xubuntu slideshows/oem-config-xubuntu" and whatever else it might need to actually show the slideshow for the end-user
[10:17] <knome> Unit193, i don't mind the content. i just want to be sure it's doable for xubuntu before we dive deeper into thinking about the possibility or tweaking the tests
[10:18] <Unit193> Build script makes it easy for me to add a package, or drop in some files.
[10:18] <knome> yeah, whatever is easiest for you
[10:19] <Unit193> I don't know much about the slideshow stuff, and getting which one to display when.  There isn't a test display like the normal one?
[10:19] <knome> there is, but that's not the point; the point is i'd like to know if the oem slideshow is actually shown to the end-user, as it should
[10:19] <knome> until we know that, we shouldn't concentrate too much on the slideshow content, right? :)
[10:20] <Noskcaj> Yay, a symbols file that works. Now i need sleep. bye everyone
[10:20] <knome> good night Noskcaj 
[10:20] <Unit193> Alright...
[10:21] <knome> if you have no idea, i could ask dylan, the maintainer of that package
[10:21] <knome> the problem is, he is really rarely on irc and email is too slow for this kind of discussion
[10:22] <Unit193> I'm not fully sure what you're wanting yet.  The idea his branch has a new subfolder that you want in so you can do a test install?
[10:22] <knome> yep
[10:22] <knome> to see if the oem config slideshow is shown
[10:22] <Unit193> OK, is it ready to ship now?
[10:23] <knome> well, to be honest, i don't know. the slideshow isn't final, and i don't know if it works.
[10:23] <knome> works in the sense that i don't know if all the bits we need are in,.
[10:23] <knome> -,
[10:23] <Unit193> So, few hours when he comes back or build now?
[10:24] <knome> as i said, i'm not interested if the slideshow content is up-to-date now
[10:24] <knome> if the oem installer works and we decide to use it, it'll need a complete review
[10:24] <knome> because in that case we need to take a whole another point of view for the slideshow
[10:25] <knome> so.... build now :)
[10:26] <Unit193> Got it.
[10:36] <Unit193> (Building the package so if something breaks, Not my fault™ :P )
[10:38] <lderan> of course :P
[10:51] <Unit193> Next time I should ask arch before I'm done with it...
[10:52] <smartboyhw> Unit193, BTW, how do you build such images? live-build?
[10:52] <Unit193> Nah.
[10:52] <smartboyhw> Unit193, oh?
[10:52] <Unit193> Oh.
[10:53] <smartboyhw> Unit193, please answer then:P
[10:53] <Unit193> Home built scripts?  Not really doing much...
[10:57] <Unit193> Hrm, need an else. :P
[10:59] <Unit193> knome: http://vanir.unit193.tk/dump/xubuntu-13.10-oem-amd64.iso and there's a zsync there too.
[10:59] <Unit193> Everything looks in order.
[10:59]  * knome downloads.
[11:03] <Unit193> And, *should* work on EFI systems too. :P
[11:03] <knome> i'll just try under vbox :P
[11:03] <lderan> ooo efi
[11:03] <lderan> i can give it a go
[11:03] <Unit193> Goood luck. :P
[11:03] <knome> :)
[11:04] <Unit193> OVMF didn't complain last one I tried, though that doesn't have secure boot.
[11:29]  * bluesabre ponders having all wallpapers installed and available (xubuntu-precise, -quantal, -raring, -saucy)
[11:30] <knome> muahahaha.
[11:35] <knome> anybody interested in an experiment?
[11:36] <bluesabre> (say yes)
[11:39] <knome> i suppose everybody is sleeping ;)
[11:39] <bluesabre> gotta go, bbl
[11:39] <knome> hf
[12:16] <knome> bbl.
[13:04] <smartboyhw> knome, skellat where is the branch for xubuntu-docs?
[13:05] <smartboyhw> Eh, found it
[13:12] <smartboyhw> knome, skellat you will be expecting more questions from me about documentation in the coming few months, as I will work on Ubuntu Studio's offline documentation
[13:15] <elfy> good lord - too much scrollback to worry about methinks
[13:15] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:21] <micahg_mobile> Knome: i think we're in good shape 
[13:42] <ali1234> ochosi: i never managed to get these indicators working
[13:43] <ali1234> although i do see them running on ps (well, some of them) they don't get added to the applet... they are visible in the properties though, in "known indicators" section
[13:44] <ali1234> then when i restarted the panel even those disappeared
[13:48] <ali1234> sorry, even the libappindicator ones (ie cpufreq) disappeared
[13:49] <ali1234> i think there's something wrong with dbus - various applications which use it seem to hang for about 30 seconds on startup
[13:51] <ali1234> i see there's an update for dbus today, maybe it will help
[13:52] <ali1234> indicator updates too
[14:37] <ochosi> ali1234: you tested on saucy?
[14:37] <ali1234> yes
[14:37] <ochosi> hmm, i ran all my tests on raring
[14:37] <ali1234> none of the updates helped
[14:37] <ali1234> i think it's working
[14:38] <ali1234> but only the printer and sync indicators are running
[14:38] <ochosi> that's odd
[14:38] <ali1234> and neither of those shows an icon because i don't have a printer and i haven't set up U1
[14:38] <ochosi> oh
[14:38] <ochosi> yeah
[14:38] <ochosi> that's definitely an issue
[14:38] <ali1234> but all the other ones do not run at all
[14:38] <ochosi> very strange
[14:39] <ali1234> tha is, they're not on ps
[14:39] <ali1234> btw, what is wrapper-1.0 and wrapper-2.0?
[14:39] <ochosi> i'd check it all out myself on saucy, but i'm moving to another country this weekend, so...
[14:39] <ali1234> i thought it was wrapper3?
[14:39] <ochosi> wrapper-1.0 is for gtk2 panel-plugins, wrapper-2.0 is for gtk3 plugins
[14:40] <ali1234> that makes no sense :/
[14:40] <ali1234> but i figured as much
[14:40] <ochosi> well, depends
[14:44] <ochosi> it's just intended as the next major version after 1.0
[14:44] <ochosi> so imo it's fine
[14:44] <ochosi> and users don't see any of this anyway
[14:44] <ochosi> the 3 in wrapper3 refers to gtk3 thoguh
[14:44] <ochosi> though
[14:48] <ali1234> this is what's wrong with dbus: ** (synaptic:4151): WARNING **: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[14:49] <ali1234> already reported i see
[14:55] <ali1234> well, this might be related i suppose
[14:55] <ochosi> possible
[14:55] <ochosi> i mean the thing is that our indicator-plugin doesn't handle accessible descriptions yet
[14:56] <ochosi> so the warning could also be about that
[14:56] <ali1234> nah that warning is from synaptic
[14:56] <ali1234> it's a known bug with dbus: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/1217757
[14:56] <ali1234> but if dbus is acting weird, it could be why the indicators just aren't working
[14:57] <ali1234> probably not though
[15:20] <ochosi> without being able to test it myself it's hard to judge what the problem could be
[16:33] <pleia2> a bunch of messages from ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org are stuck in the mod queue for the -devel mailing list re: gtk-theme-config
[16:33] <pleia2> is this something we want let through?
[16:33] <knome> micahg, ^
[16:33] <knome> pleia2, not really, but keep it for now
[16:34] <pleia2> keep in mod queue?
[16:34] <knome> yeah
[16:34] <pleia2> k
[16:56] <olbi> hi guys :D
[16:56] <olbi> why on site there isn't info about Xubuntu 12.04.03 LTS? :P
[16:56] <elfy> ewvening all
[17:13] <sak> morning everyone 
[17:15] <elfy> hello sak 
[17:49] <ali1234> ochosi: installed U1, the cloud sync indicator showed up when i started it
[17:49] <ali1234> so the wrapper and all is working, it's the indicators that are broken :/
[19:11] <pleia2> olbi: the download page does link to 12.04.3, we didn't really have release notes for it afaik (if that's what you're looking for)
[19:11] <ochosi> ali1234: weird, so do you still have the gtk2 counterparts (e.g. indicator-sound-gtk2) installed?
[19:12] <ali1234> no, i removed them (they stopped working anyway)
[19:12] <ochosi> so indicator-sound is installed, shows in the plugin-settings but not the panel?
[19:13] <ali1234> no, it doesn't show at all
[19:13] <ochosi> ok
[19:14] <ali1234> indicator-printers shows in the settings but not the panel - because i don't have a printer
[19:14] <ali1234> same for indicator-sync
[19:14] <ali1234> the others are not running at all
[19:14] <ochosi> i wonder why that would be
[19:14] <ochosi> maybe they did change something in the indicators (again) in 13.10
[19:15] <ochosi> and the sound-indicator's gtk2 version not working is connected to that
[19:30] <knome> hey all,
[19:30] <knome> want to give you all something to play with:
[19:30] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/.expwall/
[19:33] <knome> (feel free to test out, but atm, don't share the link too broadly, it's just a little experiment. i will come up with something more finalized later if it turns out people like the idea)
[19:35] <elfy> played with that a bit - likes the idea as well :)
[19:40] <Unit193> It's actually not bad.
[19:40] <elfy> I like the idea :)
[19:40] <knome> well that's because it's designed not to be bad ;)
[19:40] <elfy> or did I say that 
[19:48] <knome> bbl
[20:18] <lderan> knome, oooo that looks cool