[00:07] <Kayje> Hi all. I'm getting an error when I try to reformat one of my hard drives; wondering if anyone has advice on how to fix it. "/dev/sdd: unrecognised disk label"
[00:11] <WormDrink> so when is next xfce version ?
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[00:21] <David-A> Kayje: i suspect it means the partition table is corrupted. i don't know if the drive itself is failing or if you ran some program that overwrote the first block of the drive.
[00:21] <Kayje> Oh super, I will look into that, thank you :)
[00:22] <David-A> Kayje: yes, do a proper diagnostics before assuming how to fix it
[00:24] <Kayje> David-A: The drive is completely empty, so I'm not worried about a reformat, but that is definitely a good point
[00:24] <David-A> Kayje: there are a bunch of different tools to recover certain files from disks where the file system is damaged. one of them may be able to restore partition tables.
[00:26] <David-A> Kayje: look at s.m.a.r.t status, what the drive itself think of its own health. there are command line tools, as well as nice guis for that.
[00:27] <Kayje> David-A: Just reading an article on S.M.A.R.T.; it also mentions using fsck on an unmounted drive
[00:27] <David-A> Kayje: fsck is to check a filesystem. i suspect you have a problem with the partition table.
[00:28] <Kayje> David-A: Should I also check for bad blocks?
[00:28] <David-A> Kayje: one way to check s.m.a.r.t status is the DiskUtility (may have a new name now).
[00:29] <David-A> Kayje: i would check smart first.
[00:31] <David-A> Kayje: you can via s.m.a.r.t tell the disk to make a self test, which will take a few minutes (or longer depending on level of thoroness)
[00:33] <Kayje> David-A: I am having trouble finding the DiskUtility but I'm fairly sure it's because I'm currently running a live session from the boot cd. Once the install finishes I will dig a little deeper. Only options available under "System" are "gigolo" "ibus" and of course "Task manager"
[00:34] <David-A> Kayje: and don't take my assumption about the partition table for granted. check what "unrecognised disk label" really means, and that you selected the right disk.
[00:36] <Kayje> David-A: Thanks for all the help :) I'm brand-spanking-new to Linux
[00:47] <David-A> Kayje: you can install programs in the live session. if it is a live cd, it will only be installed in the current session of course, and you must have enough ram, but that is usually no problem. the package should have "palimpsest" or "gnome-disk" somewhere in its name, unless its changed.
[00:48] <David-A> Kayje: ^ the package for "disk utility" that is
[00:56] <Kayje> David-A: I've got GParted but don't see any disks utilities still. Searched /bin/ for both "palimpsest" and "gnome-disk" as well as usr/bin but don't see them in either. My google-fu indicates I should see something labeled "Disks" in my Settings Manager but don't see it there either; I may have to use a command line of some sort to load it
[00:56] <Kayje> Well, any disks utilities other than GParted of course
[00:58] <Kayje> Looks like it's time for the installation reboot; back in a few
[01:05] <patti> hello, could someone help me w a display/depth/width/16/24 bit issue I am having.
[01:06] <patti> running 12.04 lts
[01:06] <patti> seems drivers are loaded from what i can tell, just display isnt clear, crisp, or focused
[01:07] <Kayje> Install (finally) successful!
[01:09] <David-A> Kayje: do you have a "disk utility" or "disks" now?
[01:10] <Kayje> David-A: I do not, and GParted has disappeared. It was suggested to another user with similar issue that they might be hidden
[01:13] <Kayje> Trying to find the link but of course I can't remember
[01:13] <David-A> Kayje: gparted is not installed by default, but easily installed via software center, synaptic package manager (or apt-get if you know the exact name)
[01:16] <patti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6038628/   *if anyone is willing to help
[01:18] <holstein> patti: i would try something like arandr, and see if you can set a native resolution
[01:19] <Kayje> patti: I have just installed Arandr for use with my dual monitors and setting separate resolutions fixed my graininess
[01:20] <Kayje> David-A: Good to know, nabbed gparted in the software center
[01:20] <Kayje> Searching again for palimpsest in my package files
[01:22] <David-A> or search for disk utility (it may have changed name at some point)
[01:22] <Kayje> David-A: Still don't see palimpsest or gnome-disk in my files. I'll see if I can use apt-get in the terminal
[01:23] <David-A> Kayje: "in my files?" what about searching in software center or synaptic ?
[01:24] <Kayje> David-A: Ah, I think I was under the false impression that the disks utility would already be loaded. Found one in the software center
[01:30] <David-A> Kayje: (kuriosa) you notices gparted was installed by default in the live session, but not in the installed system. there may be other progs that are installed in the one and not the other, and vise versa.
[01:31] <Kayje> That makes sense, thank you
[01:34] <David-A> Kayje: did you install on the disk that had "unrecognized disk label"?
[01:36] <Kayje> I did not. It looks like it doesn't have any partition tables set at all. It was previously NFTS
[02:20] <SonikkuAmerica> Are we still debating on whether or not to use XMir in 13.10?
[02:23] <SonikkuAmerica> Never mind. I read WebUpd8
[03:34] <c2tarun> Hi friends, I am using xubuntu 12.04. Can anyone please tell me what is difference between power management (from settings manager) and power management from Screensaver advanced tab?
[03:49] <nerdtron> c2tarun where is the screensaver advance tab?? i can't seem to find it
[03:51] <c2tarun> go to settings manager>Screensaver
[03:52] <w30> maybe power management gui is for people who don't have the screensaver installed?
[03:52] <c2tarun> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-thursday29august2013-092202ist.php
[03:53] <c2tarun> w30, actually when on battery my monitor is not fully turning off, its backlight is on.
[03:53] <knome> i would imagine the settings in screensaver tab are something else from power management (which is a xfc4 component)
[03:54] <nerdtron> c2tarun i don't have screensaver on mine.. yes I think it is a seperate program
[03:54] <c2tarun> nerdtron, I think its feature of xfce4.10, you are using 4.8 right?
[03:54] <nerdtron> I think the screen saver takes over power management when it is activated
[03:55] <nerdtron> c2tarun oh yes.. i'm in 4.10 sorry for the confusion
[03:57] <c2tarun> nerdtron, still you don't have screensave
[03:57] <c2tarun> I installed xubuntu yesterday and just upgraded to 4.10 and installed nothing else
[03:58] <nerdtron> i'm on 13.04
[03:59] <c2tarun> nerdtron, ohh.. :)
[03:59] <nerdtron> oh I remember...i uninstalled xscreensaver because it looks ugly
[03:59] <c2tarun> :|
[03:59] <nerdtron> then I installed gnome-screensaver because I want a good looking lookscreen
[04:00] <nerdtron> anyway. still it's a mystery on how does the screensaver power options and power management relate to each other
[04:01] <c2tarun> yeah
[04:38] <patti> :( can anyone help with a graphics issue on 12.04 lts
[04:40] <patti> after fresh install it seems like i am running with no video drivers, yet they are installed.  my screen (background and logon splash screen look as if i am running in a 16 bit mode, very choppy looking)
[07:42] <Myrtti> knome: the blogpost and g+ update are gone now and now he links to your blogentry
[07:45] <Myrtti> an old one, but still
[08:03] <MarkusDBX> As mir has been elected instead of x11 in the main ubuntu distribution as of 13.10, is there any risk that mir-only apps will not be working in future releases of xubuntu? Or will there be a compatibility layer making mir-only apps work in xfce?
[08:06] <Mortal> hi
[11:35] <jackson_> Hello!
[11:36] <bgardner> !hi | jackson_
[11:36] <ubottu> jackson_: Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay!
[11:36] <jackson_> Just curious... if i want some help with my xubuntu, should i ask here or in #ubuntu?
[11:37] <bgardner> jackson_: Start here, go ahead and ask your questions
[11:41] <jackson_> Okay, thanks. I'm seeing an error that says 'Error: opening the cache (E:malformed line 61 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)., E:The list of sources could not be read., E:The package list or status file could not be parsed or opened.)'.
[11:42] <jackson_> Its preventing me from using the ubuntu software center.
[11:43] <bgardner> jackson_: Please do this and give us the URL it returns: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit
[11:45] <jackson_> the url on line 61, i assume?
[11:46] <jackson_> deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ partner
[11:46] <bgardner> jackson_: That's what I want to see, but there may be items above or below that relate.  Or review the file yourself and see if it teaches you something.
[11:55] <bgardner> jackson_: Did you edit this file yourself?  I'm guessing that line should be 'deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ precise partner' or similar, match your own version of course.
[11:56] <jackson_> Ill try that!
[11:57] <jackson_> Thank you very much! I added "ubuntu precise" after the slash and it worked like a charm.
[11:58] <bgardner> jackson_: You are running Precise, yes?
[11:58] <jackson_> yup
[11:58] <bgardner> jackson_: Okay, excellent - didn't want to give you yet more problems.
[11:58] <jackson_> thanks for the help, im kinda new to linux and you have been a life saver
[11:59] <bgardner> jackson_: Glad to help, come on back if you need anything else.
[13:59] <vice_> Hi! How can i make deafult browser?
[13:59] <vice_> sudo update-alternatives –config x-www-browser doesnt work
[14:01] <Sysi> settings -> preferred applications
[14:02] <Maple__> exo-preferred-applications
[14:03] <vice_> oh i found mistake, i should type -- not emdash
[14:04] <vice_> * 0            /usr/bin/google-chrome   200 means that chrome is my main browser, correct?
[14:05] <vice_> oh god, its realy default, so why the hell skype always asking me about browser priority?!
[14:08] <lokote_jones> vice_: For what ever reason Chrome constantly "forgets" that I set it to default for me too.
[14:08] <lokote_jones> vice_: I don't have a solution; but I raise my fist in solidarity at this issue.
[14:09] <Sysi> chrome tries to use some own random method for set it to be default, you need to use exo-settings or update-alternatives to actually set it
[14:09] <Sysi> no idea what skype wants
[14:09] <vice_> i see chrome as main browser in  console
[14:09] <vice_> and in setting too
[14:10] <Maple__> check ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list and defaults.list
[14:10] <cub> vice_, lokote_jones me too. I've put it as default in any way I can think of. Still asks.
[14:10] <vice_> but skype dont cares about that
[14:10] <Maple__> as well as the same in /usr/share/applications
[14:22] <vice_> Sorry, Maple__ i cant understand what should i do :(
[14:22] <vice_> /usr/share/applications theres just all apps
[14:22] <Maple__> try cd'ing into it in a termianl and typing 'dir'
[14:22] <Maple__> then find the .list files
[14:23] <TheSheep> 'ls' not 'dir'
[14:57] <Maple__> It's an alias.
[15:49] <xubuntu079> hello
[15:49] <bgardner> xubuntu079: Hello
[15:54] <lokote_jones> I just finished recovering my 1TB hard drive. Does anyone have a Xubuntu friendly storage method that can easily handle 2-5 TB of data? Or should I just buy some hard drives and do it by hand or what?
[15:56] <holstein> lokote_jones: anything really.. there are many ways to mirror or backup.. i would try implementing something you will do, that works for you.. *all* of these options will require an alternate location
[15:56] <holstein> the included tools in main ubuntu work well
[15:57] <lokote_jones> Can the included tools do differential backups?
[15:57] <holstein> lokote_jones: i would look at the specific documentation to make certain your needs are being met.. but AFAIK, yes
[15:58] <holstein> what do i do? i mirror the data i want to several locations, manually
[15:58] <lokote_jones> Well; I want to keep a backup of my drive local and then take a hard drive to my work.
[15:59] <bgardner> lokote_jones: I do something similar to what you describe with rsync.
[15:59] <holstein> lokote_jones: nothing is preventing you from taking a hard drive with you. if you want to "sync" that data betweem 2 OS's with an external hard drive, that is a different story
[15:59] <holstein> what you need to do is, describe *exactly* what it is you are trying to do, and a volunteer can help you
[15:59] <holstein> !info grsync
[15:59] <ubottu> grsync (source: grsync): GTK+ frontend for rsync. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.3-1ubuntu1 (raring), package size 147 kB, installed size 635 kB
[15:59] <lokote_jones> No syncing necessary. I just don't want to have to clean my underwear again if my hard drive poops out. =(
[16:00] <holstein> ^ is a nice gui way to learn about using rsync
[16:00] <lokote_jones> I was lucky it only cost me $39.99 to rescue my drives.
[16:00] <holstein> lokote_jones: *all* hard drives fail..
[16:00] <holstein> lokote_jones: its up to you the level you want to get into for backing up, or cloning or mirroring
[16:01] <holstein> lokote_jones: even the external drive you are refercing purchasing will fail
[16:01] <lokote_jones> Right; buyt the idea is that all 3 drives "shouldn't" die on me.
[16:01] <lokote_jones> Atleast not all at once.
[16:02] <bgardner> lokote_jones: Theoretically.
[16:02] <lokote_jones> bgardner: Hopefully.
[16:02] <holstein> lokote_jones: if you just go ahead and plan on *all* of them failing, since they will, you'll be fine
[16:03] <lokote_jones> Can rsync do a differential backup?
[16:03] <holstein> lokote_jones: there is also the house-fire argument.. you can have 17 hard drives mirroring data locally, and if your house were to catch fire, that would be the end of that
[16:03] <holstein> lokote_jones: *you* can do diff or whatever backup you want with *many* tools in *any* os
[16:03] <lokote_jones> holstein: I spoke to my boss at work and he said I could just bring in a drive and keep it in our fire proof safe. He said it's fine. So that gives me a "little" more protection.
[16:05] <holstein> sure.. but files dont get added in any way while its in the safe.. are you going to have 2? and swap them out? how often? .. if you make something more complex than you are wiling to deal wth, you wont deal with it
[16:06] <lokote_jones> Right now my idea is to have 3 drives. One "in the computer". One  external. then one that I rotate into the safe once a month. (I'm pretty anal about stuff when I start so I don't think I will quit if I can just figure out how to do it)
[16:09] <lokote_jones> Ugh. Ubuntu One would be awesome but its $150 per month. =(
[16:09] <lokote_jones> For a terrabyte
[16:10] <holstein> lokote_jones: host your own free version locally, or go with something "cheaper"
[16:10] <bgardner> lokote_jones: To be fair, that's an awful lot of data that you are asking them to store.
[16:10] <holstein> i do not use ubuntuone but i set someone up on it, and his hard drive failed, and it literally repopulated everything after logging in.. very slick for him.. and easy
[16:12] <holstein> lokote_jones: he did not pay anthing to recover any data.. and if your drive hadnt been spinning, you could have paid more that $40 for that data recovery..
[16:12] <lokote_jones> bgardner: I agree. holstein: I agree on that too. I was just lucky this time.
[16:13] <holstein> the only reason not to use ubuntu one is the actual sharing of ones data with a 3rd party like that.. the price is resonable for the space
[16:13] <holstein> no need to sync *everything* up on ubuntuone either..
[16:13] <lokote_jones> holstein: Not to sound like a major nerd but the one thing I didn't want to loose was my 800GB of anime.
[16:14] <bgardner> lokote_jones: I actually use 4 drives + rsync in a configuration similar to what you describe for your plan, and it works well for me.  I don't use Ubuntu One for all backups for both of the reasons holstein just gave.
[16:14] <lokote_jones> That is my major crux. It's making sure all my art, pictures, videos, and all that junk is never lost.
[16:14] <holstein> lokote_jones: then, you pay to backup 800gb's of anime.. one way or the other
[16:16] <lokote_jones> Does $86usd sound fair for a 2TB hard drive?
[16:17] <holstein> lokote_jones: i would ask in a hardware channel.. or search something like amazon and compare.. this is the xubuntu support channel.. you can use #xubuntu-offtopic
[16:17] <lokote_jones> holstein: Sorry. Thanks.
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[17:52] <xubuntu139> A lot of people!
[17:52] <xubuntu139> Hi all
[17:53] <xubuntu139>   
[17:53] <xubuntu139> Nobody?
[17:53] <xubuntu139> Just bots...
[17:53] <xubuntu139> Hi asterismo
[17:53] <bgardner> xubuntu139: You haven't asked anything yet.
[17:54] <xubuntu139> Hi bgardner
[17:54] <xubuntu139> Just here for a chat
[17:54] <asterismo> hi xubuntu139
[17:54] <xubuntu139> no problems with xubuntu
[17:54] <bgardner> !ot | xubuntu139
[17:54] <ubottu> xubuntu139: #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[17:55] <xubuntu139> Thank you so much for the information ubottu
[17:55] <xubuntu139> So I had a question indeed :P
[18:05] <fmeetze> .
[19:06] <jacklk> is the rumour true about xubuntu?
[19:06] <holstein> jacklk: try #xubuntu-offtopic for chat
[19:06] <knome> jacklk, "the rumour" ?
[19:07] <jacklk> holstein: it isn't offtopic
[19:07] <jacklk> the rumour was, Xubuntu will no longer be around and merge into ubuntu
[19:08] <knome> jacklk, right... and where did you read that? did you check the facts from the official website?
[19:08] <holstein> jacklk: the topic is xubuntu support.. i have not heard anything about a "merger"... xubuntu *is* ubuntu.. and xfce is not going anywhere anytime soon
[19:09] <jacklk> knome: one of my friends told me last year
[19:09] <knome> jacklk, right... and who might have that friend be?
[19:10] <knome> jacklk, what was his sources, etc?
[19:10] <jacklk> my sources was him saying it
[19:10] <jacklk> I don't know
[19:10] <knome> and his sources?
[19:11] <knome> what if i told you apple and microsoft are merging
[19:11] <jacklk> I don't know
[19:11] <knome> would you check the facts?
[19:11] <jacklk> is that true?
[19:11] <knome> nope.
[19:11] <jacklk> oh
[19:11] <knome> no, xubuntu is not going anywhere
[19:11] <knome> for official information, you can always refer to xubuntu.org
[19:11] <jacklk> I don't like Xfce
[19:12] <knome> okay. feel free to use something else than xubuntu then
[19:12] <jacklk> all Linux desktop environments are bad tbh
[19:12] <knome> fair enough. do you have a support question?
[19:12] <holstein> jacklk: xubuntu uses xfce.. though there are many other desktops in the ubuntu repositories.. desktop environments and window managers
[19:12] <jacklk> knome: yeah were can I buy Xubuntu?
[19:12] <holstein> jacklk: "bad" is a matter of opinion.. they either meet your needs or not.. there are many other options..
[19:13] <jacklk> holstein: Like..?
[19:13] <knome> jacklk, do you have a real support question?
[19:13] <holstein> jacklk: you dont need to buy ubuntu or xubuntu.. or most linux distros
[19:13] <jacklk> So why do people do jobs for free>
[19:13] <jacklk> ?
[19:13] <knome> jacklk, okay, you can stop trolling now.
[19:13] <jacklk> it is a question
[19:13] <jacklk> Why do people do software for free?
[19:14] <knome> it is not on topic for this channel.
[19:14] <jacklk> It must be a scam, does Ubuntu collect info?
[19:14] <jacklk> like NSA does on your email?
[19:14] <holstein> jacklk: please /join the #xubuntu-offtopic channel for chat.. thanks
[19:14] <jacklk> okay then
[19:14] <jacklk> nobody will answer
[19:14] <holstein> ubuntu is not reponsible for my email, and all the code is open if one wants to look and see where the data is going
[19:15] <jacklk> holstein: Thunderbird is encrypted actually
[19:15] <jacklk> I tried to look at the source, and saw a load of garbage
[19:15] <knome> jacklk, patches are welcome
[19:16] <jacklk> ?
[19:16] <holstein> code would look like nothing in particular if you dont speak the language.. just like any langauge.. but you can always learn the language.. or pay someone to audit it for you..
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[19:17] <holstein> with open/free software, you always have the ability to find out exactly what is going on, if one wants
[19:18] <jackd> What are the main Linux languages?
[19:18] <pleia2> jackd: this is offtopic, stop
[19:19] <holstein> jackd: whatever the developers want to use.. i would try a main linux channel
[19:19] <Maple__> ##linux, ##programming, ##c++, &c
[19:19] <Maple__> or see an -offtopic chan
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[19:30] <hpprinter100> hey
[19:31] <hpprinter100> When i maximise my window
[19:31] <hpprinter100> it goes over the menu bar
[19:31] <hpprinter100> so i can't see the scroll bar
[19:31] <hpprinter100> any ideas how to solve that?
[19:31] <well_laid_lawn> there should be a config setting for that
[19:32] <holstein> hpprinter100: in the config for the panel, you can allow windows to cover it..
[19:32] <hpprinter100> which config file?
[19:32] <hpprinter100> xfce noob here
[19:32] <bgardner> hpprinter100: Check your panel settings for 'Don't reserve space on borders'.
[19:32] <holstein> hpprinter100: i didnt mean to suggest nor imply a file
[19:32] <holstein> i mean in the menu bgardner is suggesting
[19:33] <fmeetze> running raring... Skype doesn't allow me to answer incoming calls... any ideas?
[19:33] <holstein> you can always load up the guest account and mess about there with the panels and settings.. or a new test user
[19:34] <holstein> fmeetze: i would ask skype support.. i know, i just download the *.deb from skype and use it.. if you are using the repo one, try removing and using http://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-computer/ if it is different
[19:34] <fmeetze> will do... thanks
[19:35] <hpprinter100> the don't resreve is unticked
[19:35] <fmeetze> holstein: actually used the deb version from skype, should I use the ubuntu 12 instead
[19:36] <holstein> fmeetze: what do you mean, cant answer incoming calls?
[19:36] <fmeetze> holstein: I hear the ring tone, but no pop up box comes up
[19:37] <hpprinter100> holstein Don't reseve soace on boarders is ticked
[19:37] <fmeetze> holstein: pop up box only comes up after call is disconnected
[19:37] <holstein> fmeetze: that sounds like it could be soemthing with X or your system..
[19:37] <bgardner> hpprinter100: Which is it?  You said it was unticked, then said it was ticked.
[19:37] <holstein> hpprinter100: i would just blow out the config and when i want to play around, i would do as i said, and test in the guest account or a test account
[19:37] <hpprinter100> ok
[19:40] <hpprinter100> thanks holstein
[19:42] <azm> hi
[19:42] <azm> I have a red line around my panel
[19:42] <azm> how do I turn it off
[19:42] <azm> please ?
[19:42] <knome> azm, close the panel preferences window.
[19:42] <azm> thank you
[19:43] <azm> havent noticed its still open
[19:44] <hpprinter100> xubuntu mounts my drive after i click it on the desktop
[19:44] <hpprinter100> is there a setting for it to automount?
[19:44] <hpprinter100> so then i don't have to re-import music from a shared drive each time  i reboot :)
[19:45] <elfy> !fstab | hpprinter100
[19:45] <ubottu> hpprinter100: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab and http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[19:52] <hpprinter100> best xubuntu music player?
[19:53] <bgardner> !best | hpprinter100
[19:53] <ubottu> hpprinter100: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors.
[19:53] <elfy> hpprinter100: you might just need to see what suits you best
[19:53] <elfy> I changed music players about for a long time - settled on one about 2 years ago, not changed since
[19:55] <hpprinter100> !bluefin
[19:55] <elfy> doesn't always work :)
[19:55] <bgardner> !info bluefin
[19:55] <ubottu> Package bluefin does not exist in raring
[19:56] <hpprinter100> thought it might throw up a fun message about the cannicol london office :D
[19:56] <hpprinter100> canonical*
[19:56] <xubuntu929> waiting to install xubuntu...
[19:57] <xubuntu929> and no one there :)
[19:58] <elfy> xubuntu929: what do you mean?
[19:58] <xubuntu929> I mean I am now installing xubuntu
[19:58] <hpprinter100> elfy which music player is that?
[19:58] <xubuntu929> It told me to go here
[19:58] <xubuntu929> like to support or whatever :)
[19:58] <elfy> oic
[19:59] <elfy> hpprinter100: I use clementine
[19:59] <elfy> xubuntu929: this is the support channel
[19:59] <xubuntu929> aaah, ok
[19:59] <xubuntu929> so no general chat allowed?
[19:59] <elfy> xubuntu929: join xubuntu-offtopic for that
[20:03] <fmeetze> lol.. I had to do a custom notification notice for my incoming skype calls so I can hunt the caller out of my menu to answer the call
[20:04] <fmeetze> apart from that, only a couple days old with Xubuntu on a 3 year old laptop.  It's doing great.
[20:44] <mapps> hey folks
[21:21] <shk2> hello. I am trying to recover data from a broken SATA HDD, but when I was booting after connecting it to my desktopp, I get a lot of errors during startup, and the system just won't boot. the errors seem to result from trying to check the HDD, they read along the lines of "ata3.00: error: { UNC}"
[21:21] <shk2> is there a way to boot Xubuntu even though one of the HDDs connected is broken?
[21:22] <shk2> perhaps a flag to be passed in Grub2?
[21:30] <mapps> ah not sure
[21:30] <mapps> whats wrong with the hdd?
[21:30] <mapps> i was going to try and recover data off a damaged hdd later also
[21:31] <shk2> well, it was from a Windows machine.
[21:31] <shk2> tried my best so far to rescue what is possible/sensible with ddrescue
[21:31] <mapps> yea thats what mines from
[21:31] <shk2> had it connected with a USB connector
[21:31] <mapps> yep same but mine makes a clicking noise
[21:32] <mapps> have you tried connecting internally?
[21:32] <shk2> found the location of the valuable bytes on it
[21:32] <shk2> yes, that is where this problem comes from
[21:32] <mapps> ah
[21:32] <mapps> can you not go back to usb then sorry
[21:32] <shk2> I plugged it into the SATA port, and now Xubuntu won't boot
[21:32] <shk2> throwing errors about this disk
[21:32] <mapps> damn
[21:33] <shk2> (which I appreciate and understand)
[21:33] <shk2> still would like to boot from the main HDD
[21:33] <shk2> there is only one drive in the fstab
[21:33] <shk2> or mstab
[21:33] <shk2> (or whatever matters...)
[21:33] <shk2> sorry. still kind of a noob
[21:34] <shk2> at least I got into Grub2 from the main HDD
[21:34] <shk2> but then it hangs with these errors
[21:34] <mapps> i never now how to recover data
[21:34] <mapps> seems to be hard to find good info
[21:36] <shk2> I really feel like sharing my journey somewhere, once it might be finished
[21:36] <shk2> it was amazing, a lot of stuff to learn for me
[21:36] <shk2> so you are as well struggling with a broken Win drive?
[21:37] <mapps> well
[21:37] <mapps> i got 1 3.5" sata drive damaged
[21:37] <mapps> and a few laptop satas which i got a usb enclosure for
[21:37] <mapps> but dunno what to do really
[21:37] <shk2> NTFA?
[21:37] <shk2> NTFS?
[21:37] <shk2> sorry...
[21:37] <mapps> windows = no use at all for it i found..you get anywhere with win?
[21:37] <mapps> yea
[21:37] <shk2> like how broken?
[21:37] <shk2> bent?
[21:38] <shk2> broken sectors?
[21:38] <mapps> hm like clicking
[21:38] <mapps> so not sure
[21:38] <shk2> ok. I heard it is not too bad if thaat happens
[21:38] <mapps> windows detects but doesnt appear in my computer
[21:38] <shk2> but, unless you did it already, get the partition table from it
[21:38] <shk2> without that you are probably really fucked
[21:39] <shk2> but otherwise I would like to share what I had done, if you are interested
[21:41] <mapps> how do you do that/
[21:41] <mapps> yea
[21:42] <shk2> well, I did some research
[21:42] <shk2> and then made a plan
[21:42] <shk2> so, first you want the MFT
[21:43] <shk2> so you use icat to get record 0 of the partition, which is the MFT
[21:43] <shk2> you do this from the image you tried to get with ddrescue
[21:43] <shk2> just a rough run
[21:44] <shk2> if you run icat in verbose mode, it will tell you which bytes it is reading from the disk
[21:44] <shk2> so then, you use ddrescue so try to recover as much as possible of these
[21:44] <shk2> then, you use analyzeMFT.py to get a csv of all the files recoverable, from the MFT
[21:45] <map> dam
[21:45] <shk2> then select the records you would like to save, and then use icat again, with the -v switch, to figure out, which bytes these are
[21:45] <map> sorry my netbook BSODd
[21:45] <map> damn windows 7
[21:45] <map> sorry dude last thing i saw was me saying how do you do that
[21:45] <shk2> and then run ddrescue just on those areas of your harddisk
[21:46] <shk2> ok, sorry
[21:46] <shk2> shall I "repeat"
[21:46] <shk2> ?
[21:46] <map> ya please
[21:46] <shk2> > well, I did some research
[21:46] <shk2> > and then made a plan
[21:46] <shk2> > so, first you want the MFT
[21:46] <shk2> >so you use icat to get record 0 of the partition, which is the MFT
[21:46] <shk2> >you do this from the image you tried to get with ddrescue
[21:47] <shk2> >just a rough run
[21:47] <shk2> > if you run icat in verbose mode, it will tell you which bytes it is reading from the disk
[21:47] <shk2> >so then, you use ddrescue so try to recover as much as possible of these>
[21:47] <shk2> > then, you use analyzeMFT.py to get a csv of all the files recoverable, from the MFT
[21:47] <shk2> > then select the records you would like to save, and then use icat again, with the -v switch, to figure out, which bytes these are
[21:47] <shk2> <map> sorry my netbook BSODd
[21:47] <map> MFT?
[21:47] <shk2> and then the rest
[21:47] <shk2> master file table
[21:47] <map> ah
[21:48] <shk2> I learned a lot the last days
[21:48] <map> so icat gives us record 0 then we use ddrescue on what the result of icat?
[22:04] <map> quick question my network card isnt woring under xubuntu..but it was working during setup? anyone got any suggestions
[22:06] <cseder> map: probably some driver issue with NetworkManager, if Xubuntu uses NetworkManager. The installer probably uses the old ifup
[22:06] <map> aha
[22:23] <David-A> map: are you sure it is the network card? not just that you don't get a connection or dhcp lease with your router or isp?
[22:24] <map> dqamnit its this broadcom 4401 - seems to be a issue with latest ubuntu
[22:24] <map> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2115659
[22:29] <xubuntu268> Hi, can anyone currently using 12.04.3 release tell me what kernel is now used as default after the first initial update and upgrade?
[22:29] <map> lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 net it says b4311 kernel driver WL in use
[22:30] <map> but my wireless doesnt even work
[22:32] <map> anyone able to help
[22:32] <xubuntu268> might take some time
[22:38] <Celso> http://imagebin.org/269171
[22:56] <map> so neither my wired card eth0 or wireless are working
[22:56] <map> broadcom suck;/
[23:45] <mapps> ok