which are children of data-role=page? [17:51] the header bar is *inside* data-role=page, which seems weird because the header isn't part of the page: it's a header :) [17:51] also, [].prototype.forEach.call is nicer than [].forEach.call :-) [17:53] also also, your code there won't attach an event listener to the active tab, which means that when I switch away from tab 1 to tab 2, I can't switch *back* to tab 1 because it doesn't have an event handler for clicks. Wouldn't it be better to attach to all data-role=tab > a and then bail if e.target.classList.has("active") ? [17:54] aquarius: i am making an example page for you [17:54] what a very cool chap you are [17:54] I promise I'll do a blog post about this :) [18:00] aquarius: try this http://paste.ubuntu.com/6045058/ [18:02] ah, I create a pagestack inside content, and then pages inside that, got it. [18:02] trying. [18:04] aquarius: the funny thing is that the same code will work for jQuery mobile and Firefox OS with some tweaking... [18:07] omg awesome [18:07] mhall119: can you rejoin [18:07] I have an idea [18:08] aquarius: here is the bug for the tabs bug 1216873 [18:08] Launchpad bug 1216873 in Ubuntu HTML5 Theme "Tab implementation is incomplete" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1216873 [18:09] daker, hrm, UI.pagestack doesn't exist. Debugging now... [18:10] probably you didn't include the pagestack.js [18:10] I did, though :( [18:12] aquarius: ok look i am leaving the office now, if you can give me like an hour or two i can work with you to get things done and see what still need to be fixed on the theme, ok ? [18:12] daker, it's cool -- you'v e already helped. I'll debug from here :) [18:12] thank you [18:12] ok [18:13] ah, I bet I have to call UI.init :) [18:13] yes yes [18:13] aha, fab, that works [18:14] \o/ [18:15] * aquarius takes the hardcoded /usr/share stuff out of core.js ;-) [18:16] aquarius: that's alex-abreu è_é [18:16] * aquarius grins [18:18] now just to hide the toolbar permanently on the front page, and we're good :) [18:19] aquarius: it would be good to report things that you see incorrect http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-html5-theme [18:22] aquarius: the actual tabs code in trunk only do the animation like http://bit.ly/16WWkCb [18:24] jcastro: still need me to rejoin? [18:24] aquarius: i am leaving... [18:24] daker, cool -- go home! I appreciate the help :) [18:29] hrm. Having toolbars in a webapp is annoying because it breaks in a browser. [18:29] and with the tabs not yet working... [18:29] might have to just do it all myself by hand and ignore UbuntuUI. Which you're not supposed to do. :) [18:39] bah. blocked. :( [19:23] jcastro: So I talked to Rackspace [19:23] they have no plans to support Juju [19:23] they don't have Go engineering to make a patch for Juju to support Rackspace [19:23] I have asked what changes need to be made to create a provider to support them [19:23] so hopefully we can get that info and add support? [19:24] we don't need to create a rackspace provider [19:24] they are in progress of making their cloud more "Vanilla" openstack [19:24] when they do that juju will work on it [19:24] jcastro: actually they are not [19:24] jcastro: they said they wont be doing that [19:25] jcastro: they would prefer a rackspace provider [19:25] jcastro: this is from their Cloud Evangelist and Lead Cloud Architect on Twitter [19:40] mhall119, wordbits updated to have an about page. So... can I submit a pure web app to the competition, or do I need to package it up and upload it as a click package? :) [19:41] aquarius: package and upload it as a click package [19:41] * aquarius looks aggrieved. OK. [19:41] not the answer you wanted, I know, but it's the answer I have :) [19:45] mhall119, next question: did we get any guidance about whether gradient backgrounds are supposed to be reserved for ritual apps? [19:46] aquarius: it's been one day man! [19:46] mhall119, ah, no, I didn't mean "since UDS finished", I meant "during UDS that I might have missed" :) [19:46] ah, no [19:47] nothing concrete anyway [19:47] k [19:47] it'll take me three seconds to add a gradient background to wordbits anyway :0 [19:47] just a general sense of "gradient is used by ritual apps, all others can do whatever they want" [19:47] well, it'll take aminute and 3 seconds, the minute of which is looking up the stupid -webkit-gradient format again [19:50] mhall119, is there documentation somewhere about the Ubuntu shape? (Not the QML component: the actual shape?) [19:50] I'd like to see if it's doable with multiple CSS border-radii. [19:51] since I hate the image-based version ;) [19:51] aquarius: I don't know, daker might [20:02] daker, you might find http://jsbin.com/UYoFoJe/1/edit interesting: I think it should be possible to do UbuntuShape with border-radius. [20:06] does all the make-a-click-package stuff work in raring? [20:06] I have not yet upgraded to saucy :) [20:28] * aquarius sobs [20:28] aquarius: well the SDK is supported in raring, and it depends on Click for it's Qtc plugins, so I would assume so [20:28] you can't make a click package of an html5 app :( [20:28] I go to "Packaging" after having created an HTML5 app in QtCreator and it says "Click packaging is only available for QML projects" :( [20:29] :/ [20:29] I was told it worked on HTML5 too... [20:30] I'm supposed to say "HTML5 project" in qtcreator, right? [20:30] it adds an "html5applicationviewer.cpp" thing. [20:31] and WordBits_harmattan.desktop [20:31] does this mean that I'm using some old still-installed Nokia N9 HTML project? [20:31] rather than an *Ubuntu* HTML project? [20:31] .cpp? [20:32] indeed [20:32] oh no, use the Ubuntu->HTML5 Touch UI template [20:32] aha, that might be the problem. [20:32] probably is, yeah [20:33] since the Ubuntu HTML5 template uses QML, not C++ [20:33] OK, I don't have an option for that :( [20:34] mhall119, http://ubuntuone.com/09OJ20XUvtVPuicjSQoYRj [20:34] am I missing something that makes it Ubuntu-ish? [20:34] aquarius: did you launch "Qt Creator" or "Ubuntu SDK" from the dash? [20:35] I started "Ubuntu SDK" from the Dash, and I get an Ubuntu-specific screen saying "Make it Ubuntu" with "Create a new project" [20:35] I click Create a new project and I get that popup [20:35] hmmmm.... [20:35] sounds like maybe you have some garbage leftover from an older qtcreator/ubuntu-sdk install [20:35] that's usually what causes this [20:35] try apt-get purging ubuntu-sdk and reinstalling [20:35] mhall119, http://ubuntuone.com/0f0eqffzfatzGrepoKVFVH [20:36] ah, maybe. [20:36] I'll purge everything [20:36] need a cup of tea first though :) [20:36] ok, so it gets most of the plugins, just not the templates [20:41] ha haaa! [20:41] Package 'ubuntu-sdk' is not installed, so not removed [20:41] that might have something to do with it ;) [20:41] * aquarius laughs and laughs [20:42] I've got a whole mess of early testing ppas and whatnot enabled, probably :) [20:43] nope. [20:43] hasn't helped :( [20:43] installed ubuntu-sdk; no change. Purged it and reinstalled; no change :( [20:44] suggestions? [20:47] aquarius: back [20:48] speaking of Ubuntushape if you are able to do it in CSS that would be awesome!! [20:48] hey, daker. I took your Pagestack approach, but hid the toolbar... and because I've only got two tabs, I can get away with that :) [20:48] daker, see the jsbin [20:48] daker, although that's following the curve of an Ubuntu u [20:48] which may not be exactly the same as an UbuntuShape curve [20:49] but I think the key point is that you can do almost any curve by filling in two border-radii. [20:49] so I think it'll be doable in pure css. [20:51] aquarius: if you add the top border the curve form changes [20:51] yeah. It'll require some thinking [20:51] I'm not suggesting that what I did completely answers it :) [20:52] just proving to myself that I think it's doable in concept. [20:52] percentages may be the way forward, too [20:55] aquarius: ah i see i had the idea of using the webkit-mask and using an svg mask something like this https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/media/icon.svg [20:55] god, I hope it's doable with proper css. [20:56] :) [20:59] who knows about the Qt Creator stuff? I suppose that Friday evening is not the best time to ask these sorts of questions ;) [21:00] aquarius: let's see what's your question :) [21:01] daker, see above discussion with mhall119. When I start Ubuntu SDK, I get the Ubuntu startup screen correctly, but when creating a new project I don't get the Ubuntu templates. [21:01] http://ubuntuone.com/0f0eqffzfatzGrepoKVFVH [21:02] this suggests that I've got some old QtCreator stuff somewhere which is getting in the way [21:02] but I have no idea how to fix that :) [21:05] aquarius: this is what you should see in raring http://i.imgur.com/KlauUtF.png [21:05] that's be fabulous if I could see that. I can't :) [21:05] aquarius: are you using the ppa ? [21:05] don't know. How can I tell>? [21:07] aquarius: ah that's why http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/ [21:07] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk [21:07] trying [21:07] did that; it installed nothing [21:07] so I assume I already had the ppa enabled :) [21:10] aquarius: try purging the ubuntu-sdk package then reinstall it [21:11] daker, yeah, I tried that; that's what mhall119 suggested. [21:12] wired [21:12] aquarius: what do you have here /usr/share/qtcreator/templates/wizards/ ? [21:13] bb-bardescriptor bb-cascades-app bb-guiapp bb-qt5-bardescriptor bb-qt5-guiapp codesnippet helloworld listmodel plaincapp plaincapp-cmake plaincppapp plaincppapp-cmake qtcreatorplugin qtquick1-extension qtquick2-extension README.txt scriptgeneratedproject ubuntu [21:14] aquarius: do you have /usr/share/qtcreator/templates/wizards/ubuntu/html5 ? [21:15] yep [21:16] brb [21:23] aquarius: maybe it's a bug or something... [21:23] could be. I do not know, and I don't know how to find out [21:24] aquarius: do you want me to create a html5 project for you ? [21:24] an* [21:24] daker, nah, I need to get this worked out so I can do it myself [21:25] I've got enough done to start thinking about a blog post [21:25] but I'm not sure whether to write it, because I explicitly have not used half of the UbuntuUI stuff, because it's not yet finished as you note. [21:25] also starting to think that I should sack off the layout and do it again with flexbox [21:25] but I'm not sure whether the Ubuntu browser supports flexbox :( [21:27] anyway, that's probably enough for a Friday night :) [21:27] it doesnt [21:28] or it does [21:28] aquarius: i can show you how to run the browser [21:28] I can run it -- it's not packaged for raring, but I compiled it [21:29] but I don't know whether the qtwebkit in raring is the same as the one in saucy :( [21:31] that's the browser score http://i.imgur.com/r1DAmqq.png [21:32] aha! [21:33] I score 369 in the ubuntu browser [21:33] but interestingly mine loads the fonts and yours doesn't :) [21:33] http://ubuntuone.com/247188pHGOKRE5qMXFaIgy [21:34] aquarius: do you know that you can debug remotely ? [21:34] erm [21:34] debug what remotely? [21:35] I know I can export the inspector from the browser, if that's what you mean? [21:35] which is useful. [21:35] yes [21:36] the remote inspector isn't as good as *actual* devtools, but it suffices :) [21:36] because of the qtwebkit :) [21:36] :) [21:37] popey, question if you're still around: does the phone image have ssh on by default? [21:37] once we will get oxide, things will be better [21:37] aquarius: it will [21:37] very true, although I thought I saw that only anointed Canonical apps get oxide, and third-party apps don't? [21:37] aquarius: but disabled by default [21:38] aquarius: currently, no [21:38] popey, the reason I ask is that one of my big use cases for push notifications is Ansible -- a bookmarklet in my desktop browser which sends the URL I'm viewing to my phone [21:38] popey, there's also chrome2phone for android which does the same thing [21:38] do you mean ssh client or server aquarius ? [21:39] popey, anyway, that obviously only is useful when I'm sitting in front of my laptop and my phone is to hand, and when that's the case 99.9% of the time, my phone and desktop will be on the same wifi network. [21:39] so I don't need push notifications for that: I can just have a bookmarklet in my desktop browser which sshes into the phone and opens the URL that way, yes? [21:39] aquarius: i don't think so, oxide will replace qtwebkit [21:39] and that'd be a *really* cool app for someone to write. :) [21:40] daker, not according to the notes from teh UDS oxide session, http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-client-1308-oxide [21:40] "We have decided to use the Chromium Content API for Canonical-supported applications and the default webview for Ubuntu SDK applications" [21:40] sucks to be you, Mr App Developer. No decent rendering engine for you! [21:41] "default webview for Ubuntu SDK applications" [21:41] popey, you can imagine installing the app on the phone and going through its "setup" process, and what that actually *does* is enable ssh :) [21:42] sounds dangerous [21:42] daker, unless "the default website" will actually *be* Oxide, but then I don't understand what that whole sentence means :) [21:42] I'd rather it used avahi [21:42] popey, not necessarily -- you can imagine it creating a one-use key which can't do anything other than open URLs. [21:42] can't do avahi unless the phone app runs a server, which you can't do. [21:43] and you don't want it to anyway; I don't want the phone listening on a port all the time and accepting URLs [21:43] the default webview is the qt "WebView" used on the HTML5 project [21:43] popey, and if you add security to that so that anyone can't just connect to the port and pass a URL, then... you've just reinvented a crap version of ssh, haven't you? ;-) [21:43] ☻ [21:43] aquarius: so instead of using the "WebView" from qtwebkit you'll be using the WebView from oxide [21:44] erm, I don't understand that then, daker. The Chromium Content API provides stuff on top of the webview, like bookmarks etc. [21:45] you're suggesting that "We have decided to use the Chromium Content API for Canonical-supported applications and the default webview for Ubuntu SDK applications" actually means "We'll use Oxide for Canonical applications, and we'll use Oxide for Ubuntu SDK applications"? [21:45] :) [21:47] ah i see what you mean [21:47] maybe you are right [21:50] popey, incidentally, my html5 app should work on your iphone too, since that's what I'm testing it on ;) [21:50] need to get Lucas to do me an icon [21:54] ooh [21:55] * popey embeddens [21:55] i need to figure out how to compile my app for armhf [21:55] popey, http://kryogenix.org/code/browser/wordbits/wordbits.html [21:56] 404... [21:56] oh yeah [21:56] popey, http://kryogenix.org/code/browser/wordbits-html5/wordbits.html [21:56] sorry :) [22:03] jcastro: ping