=== _salem is now known as salem_ [02:04] Good morning Noskcaj [02:30] smartboyhw: did you get my email? [02:30] phillw, yep, thanks [02:30] Sure, use it for "commercial" promotion purposes [02:30] I will lawsuit Google if that happens:P [02:31] you-tube has adverts [02:32] smartboyhw: is you or Jackson keeping test-drive in the eye? [02:33] phillw, it's Noskcaj, I've been mostly busy on packaging and documentation. [02:33] phillw, you want to fix a bug?:P [02:34] okies. I'll catch up with him over the w/end. smartboyhw nope.... just want to run something by the test-drive team that may seem a bit scary :D [02:34] phillw, oh? What is that:P [02:36] I will have a chat with Jackson and allow the thought to go 'up-stream'. [02:37] phillw, um, technically, Jackson IS the upstream === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [02:37] smartboyhw: which is why I need to have a chat with him about it. [02:38] phillw, actually, this Noskcaj is not active, I'm fetching Noskcaj_ from #ubuntu-motu [02:38] phillw, ^ fetched him [02:39] hey phillw [02:40] phillw, DON'T SLEEP YET (I know you are nocturnal but) [02:44] Noskcaj_ can you pop over to ##phillw ? [03:23] phillw: on it's way back to you [03:23] * smartboyhw thinks both elfy and phillw are nocturnal... [03:24] had 6 hours sleep ... probably not enough ;) [03:26] elfy, challenge: Find my name at http://spc.edu.hk/upload_files/editor_image/Classlist_2013-2014.pdf ;P [03:26] (To wake elfy up) [03:28] I don't need waking up thanks [03:28] elfy: I'll remove the 2nd instances of Evice, Gimp, Pidgin and Transmission :P Once I've had some sleep I'll get to work on the initial database :) [03:29] you do that ... [03:34] smartboyhw: I'm nocturnal, comes of the vampire bite I had when I was younger :) [03:34] phillw, :O [03:35] yet, I LOVE garlic :D [03:35] mmm food [03:38] humans, slowly marinaded in a tomato and garlic sauce... and it's quite ecologically sound as harvesting them is sustainable :D [03:39] 1 down, only 6,999,999,999 to go... drat.. they're breeding faster than I can eat them! === salem_ is now known as _salem [03:47] elfy: is there only the active flavours listed on http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/300/builds who are using package manager for to base the Auto Pilot cases upon? [03:47] I don't understand what you mean [03:48] afaik - those are the only flavours who've done anything [03:48] no kubuntu / ubuntu studio etc. etc. [03:50] phillw, we don't even have any HR to deal with Autopilot [03:50] Continuous development itself is already a big burden for us [03:51] try asking your userbase [03:52] elfy, we don't even have time to deal with a detailed plan [03:53] We are just volunteers after all [03:53] and we're not? [03:53] elfy: I want at least half what you get. [03:53] here you go [03:53] gave you all of it:) [03:54] Hrm, I only feel more cynical... [03:54] sorry :( [03:54] I'll have some back [04:33] balloons, you're still awake? [07:24] bonjour jibel, c,a va? [07:24] erk, my compose key got broken [07:24] Bonjour pitti ! Ça va bien et toi ? [07:25] jibel: oui, sauf mon clef de "compose" :) [07:25] jibel: ISTR that you set up a jenkins job for http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-autopilot-tests/trunk the other day, right? [07:25] this is not critical :) [07:26] pitti, right, I usually add new applications manually [07:26] jibel: what's the job name for this? [07:26] jibel: and which kind of environment they run in, otto? [07:26] i. e. full desktop? [07:27] pitti, it could be automated but that's just my paranoia to know what's happening on our systems :) [07:27] pitti, they run on a full desktop on hardware [07:27] pitti: / jibel either of you permitted to kick off a respin? [07:27] jibel: ah, do we have an example? (I just want to point to it from a blog entry) [07:27] phillw: of an iso? I think technically I could still do it, but I haven't done it in years so I'd rather not [07:28] things have changed a lot since then [07:28] phillw: better to ask in #ubuntu-release [07:28] pitti, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot-ubuntu-applications/ [07:28] phillw, why you need a respin? [07:28] jibel: they run on a daily live? in otto? [07:28] mhall119, balloons: please do not add "ubuntu core apps test writers" into the "music app developers team", that creates a *lot* of unwanted email [07:28] pitti: I'm awaiting a soul on there the correct a minor goof up by the ubuntu-kylin team ( smartboyhw) [07:29] pitti, correct, and they run only on intel ATM, as we disabled ATI due to problems with the opesource drivers [07:29] jibel: ah, apparently otto according to the log [07:29] mhall119, balloons: (ubuntu testcase admins are part of the former group) [07:29] jibel: splendid, merci! [07:29] pitti, but I think I should add nvidia [07:29] jibel: I want to blog how to run autopilot tests in autopkgtest [07:30] this way we'd have 1 OSS driver and 1 proprietary driver [07:30] and point to that as well (both make sense) [07:30] pitti, great [07:34] pitti, running them in autopkgtest means installing a full desktop environment inside the testbed which takes a while or you use another approach? [07:34] or just a base VM with a preinstalled desktop env [07:35] jibel: no, I just use xvfb and install that single package [07:35] jibel: so, no desktop interaction etc. [07:35] jibel: it doesn't replace your jobs [07:35] ah okay [07:35] but it's nice to check for missing dependencies and blocking new dependencies which break stuff [07:35] agreed [07:36] jibel: so it doesn't make sense (or even work) for something like unity, but evince or shotwell (no 3D etc.) work quite nicely [08:06] phillw, you want me to explain? [08:07] not after 36 hours without sleep... read my last comment on -release... I knew it would be the usual fcuk up! [08:08] !language | phillw [08:08] phillw: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. [08:11] smartboyhw: please note how I used the company name French Connection UK ? [08:12] smartboyhw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Connection_(clothing) [08:13] so, I'm unsure as if you got it wrong? [08:13] phillw, which, doesn't make sense in the sentence;P [08:14] smartboyhw: their clothes are over priced and of poor quality... :D [08:18] phillw, FFe(s) are filed against seperate packages, not at seperate flavours, to simplify [08:20] smartboyhw, and they are famous for having a logo that reads what you though phill said [08:20] Noskcaj, WHAT? [08:20] :O [08:21] Noskcaj, next time, join https://season.kde.org/?q=program_home&prg=26 :P [08:28] phillw, include Kubuntu on your PPC call on Mon please? [08:29] DanChapman, if you are here, ping [08:36] smartboyhw, what's that about? [08:36] Noskcaj, Ubuntu SDK Autopilot emulator blocking my bug-fixing code into ubuntu-rssreader-app [08:37] or do you mean the SoK? [08:37] second one [08:37] smartboyhw: I've already been asked to include kubuntu in the PPC call. [08:38] phillw, well, it's because Riddell further consulted me [08:38] smartboyhw: no, it is because ScottK asked me. [08:38] phillw, heh [08:39] do try to keep up with things :D [08:39] phillw, not exactly [08:39] 23:21 < phillw> Riddell: does kubuntu have ppc tester(s) yet, if not - would you like me include kubuntu in the call for PPC testers on Monday? [08:39] smartboyhw: did your consultation come up with an answer about ppc? [08:39] Riddell, probably, um, yep: I have faced too much opposition, I can't cancel:P [08:39] Riddell, I will tell phillw our decision:P [08:39] Riddell, ACK Bug #1218736 for me? [08:39] smartboyhw: same old story [08:39] bug 1218736 in oxygen-gtk3 (Ubuntu) "[FFe]Please update oxygen-gtk3 to 1.2.0" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1218736 [08:40] (That is just 5 minutes ago) [08:40] So, it's Riddell's fault for asking;P [08:41] indeed not, nor is it ScottK's fault for saying "go for it". [08:41] that was all I required :) [08:42] there's a new working kernel out there now. Beta 1 is actually it's 1st real try. (for all of us, on all flavours) [08:43] phillw, I don't know if it's updated for linux-lowlatency (which is what Ubuntu Studio uses) [08:43] it's got the odd little niggle... un needed warnings, crashes when not expected... apart from that, it seems fine :D [08:44] ubuntu-studio do not have a ppc version, although years ago that would have been the default hardware for studio stuff :) [08:44] phillw, the first time we started, we only have i386:P [08:44] Then amd64 and i386 ever on [08:45] smartboyhw: very easy to check... uname -a If it starts 3.11.0 then you have the new kernel build. [08:45] phillw, the problem: I am NOT on Studio:P [08:46] And I checked, it comes with 3.11.0 [08:48] Noskcaj, to answer: it is a project where we get to work on certain aspects of KDE to make it better [08:48] then you have the new kernel 3.11.0-4 is the latest one [08:48] Mostly it's coding, but my project is about doc [08:48] phillw, which we don't;P [08:48] We only have -2 I think [08:48] phillw, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lowlatency/3.11.0-2.1 [08:49] smartboyhw: then go and play up on the kernel channel demanding that they sort it out! (Actually, don't) :D [08:49] phillw, What is the issue with VirtualBox? I assume it should be done as a quilt patch so the rest of testdrive isn't crippled [08:49] phillw, no of course;P [08:50] smartboyhw: hey whats up? [08:51] Noskcaj: I've asked you to check it out. On my system, a new kernel has Vb uninstall itself from the out going kernel (5 mins of high CPU usage), then install itself into the new kernel (5 mins of high cpu time). [08:51] phillw, ok, will do [08:52] Noskcaj: it may be a fight between it and virt-manager, as the guy from kernel said.. he only loads it to check it doesn't crash... he'd never dream of actually using it :D [08:53] So far everything is working for me [08:54] maybe i'm not on the new kernal [08:56] I hit it when I went from -2 to -3 and again today when I went from -3 to -4 [08:56] phillw, I'm on the latest, maybe i need to restart first? [08:57] I only see it when the new kernel is arriving. [08:57] ok, i missed that then [08:58] I'll keep the back track next time, but kernel team will not even look at it. It is not F/OSS, they have no control over bug reporting etc. [08:59] hence my suggestion of dropping it and just using KVM, which they will suuport :) [09:00] makes for less confusing classroom sessions also ;) [09:06] DanChapman, um, I submitted some code to Ubuntu RSSReader app, and now autopilot sdk emulator is failing me [09:08] smartboyhw: and that is the final request to -release for someone to kick off the ubuntukylin isos for respin. If no one does it, it will have to await the cron job kicking in. [09:08] phillw, yeah [09:08] smartboyhw: I think I had an email about that. will go take a look for you [09:08] DanChapman, http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests/96 [09:09] phillw, My plan of action: Remove parallels in a new release, once that is out, make a quilt patch for removing Vbox (we don't want to cripple testdrive on stuff with the working kernal [09:09] ) [09:09] Noskcaj, why do you need a patch? [09:10] smartboyhw, I'd rather testdrive kept Vbox, as it's not just used on ubuntu 13.10, plus it make re-activation of Vbox easier [09:11] Noskcaj, so, we don't need it, right? [09:12] Ubuntu 13.10 doesn't, everything else should keep it [09:12] Noskcaj, we have options to let people choose which virtualization software they want [09:12] And KernelFreeze is quite far away [09:12] Who says that by KernelFreeze it might have been better? [09:12] Noskcaj: and a new version of test drive has about a less than zero chance of being SRU'd :D [09:12] ok [09:13] phillw, as long as it is a bugfix:P [09:13] deal with what is going into 14.04 not was in 13.04 [09:14] smartboyhw: there is no need for a bug fix looking backwards. and the issue I see may only affect my set of hardware.. but affect it, it does. [09:15] phillw, well, what if users want Virtualbox/ [09:15] ? [09:17] smartboyhw: it is not supported by ubuntu is the simple answer. If you have a problem, don't ask us. [09:17] Noskcaj: Then either you are going to kill Virtualbox forever, or just don't kill it [09:17] Patches, not a good idea [09:17] ok [09:19] smartboyhw: hmmm does it run fine locally? Im just installing the sdk and testing it. But I'm not convinced its the emulators at the moment [09:20] DanChapman, no, it doesn't run fine here too [09:20] But I can't decipher the code to make any sense out of it [09:20] (nor did dpm) [09:20] smartboyhw: lol no probs i'll have a good look :-) [09:23] smartboyhw: was it maclin who was asking about u-kylin? [09:24] I've done a reboot so have lost my older scroll back to archive [09:25] phillw, yep [09:27] phillw, yep, the new building of ubuntukylin will be done at 22:14 UTC today? [09:27] maclin: your request for a respin should have been done, colin watson is looking into why it failed. [09:30] phillw, i got it, thanks! Is there anything we can do for that? [09:31] maclin: "Oh, cdimage tried to rebuild, the build failed, it marked the rebuild as Built in the iso.qa database when the build ended, but it never published a new version (since it failed) so it effectively looks stuck" I'm just trying to get human version of that error message out of a developer.... [09:31] phillw, heh, cjwatson said not to copy;P [09:32] smartboyhw: i'm having problems installing the emulator, un-met dependencies but will not install them [09:32] DanChapman, huh!? [09:32] What's the problem? [09:34] smartboyhw: read the apology before you go copying and pasting. Thanks. [09:35] phillw, ofc [09:35] cant get ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot to install [09:35] DanChapman, huh!? [09:36] * smartboyhw just installed that yesterday [09:36] let me reboot into raring. brb [09:36] maclin: they are now rebuilding [09:40] phillw, thanks [09:41] maclin: the i386 will build twice, as it had 2 requests against it. Further investigation will be carried out into why it did not work. [09:43] smartboyhw: no luck still on raring, will look into it further, seems a dep issue with ubuntu-ui-toolkit-examples [09:43] DanChapman, oh [09:44] DanChapman, paste me the problem [09:44] (Using paste.u.c ofc) [09:45] smartboyhw, If you want to check the parallels-less version of testdrive, it's at lp:~noskcaj/testdrive/parallels [09:45] Noskcaj, I don't want to check, it's your project:) [09:45] ok, then, read "review" [09:46] Noskcaj, paste me the link plz [09:46] I mean, URL [09:46] https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/testdrive/parallels/+merge/183111 [09:47] Noskcaj, BTW, in debian/changelog it's LP: #(bug no.) [09:48] ok, fixing now [09:48] ACK from me === jibel_ is now known as jibel === _salem is now known as salem_ [13:05] balloons, pinf [13:05] *ping:P [13:07] smartboyhw, pong [13:07] balloons, first up: Ubuntu SDK autopilot emulator is failing my code changes in rss reader [13:08] https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/ubuntu-rssreader-app/fix-lp-1215542/+merge/182875 [13:08] smartboyhw, the emulator is failing your code changes? that doesn't make sense [13:08] balloons, see above (or if you can make up why is it wrong) [13:08] smartboyhw, ahh, that's the jenkins gate review process [13:09] balloons, can you tell me why it is failing then? dpm can't work it out [13:10] you need to specify a commit message [13:10] as it says [13:10] balloons, specified [13:11] yes, so perhaps you fixed that [13:11] the other piece is the test seems to be failing now [13:11] But can't relaunch it [13:11] which is funny perhaps [13:11] balloons, yes [13:11] anywho, I'll relaunch it [13:23] balloons: did you see knome's comments about the test writers team? [13:24] mhall119, ohh, I didn't realize the email churn would happen [13:24] I'll remove it [13:24] balloons, it would:) [13:24] well, no one is going to want to be on the team, hah! [13:24] balloons, BTW, are you going to send out the promotion e-mail today? [13:25] one thing at a time [13:25] balloons, what's the first thing? [13:25] it's a long weekend for everyone in the states [13:25] balloons, BOO [13:25] and weekend for europe and asia, I don't expect to be overwhelmed immeadiately :-p [13:26] we'll try and start the thread and see what happens [13:27] knome, you should be all set. For anyone else who doesn't want to be on the team, just ping [13:27] * smartboyhw wants to be on the team [13:27] Where's amjjawad? [13:27] :P [13:45] balloons: hey o/ [13:45] smartboyhw: sorry had to dash out before. did you get it sorted? [13:45] DanChapman, no. Waiting for balloons to restart the build [13:47] balloons: nice update to the gtk emulator appearing today, its building now i think. Selecting items in a treeview by there label value :-D [13:48] smartboyhw: ah ok :-) [13:52] smartboyhw, yes and I'm failing miserably [13:52] balloons, https://code.launchpad.net/~dinko-metalac/sudoku-app/convergence-rework/+merge/182860 is failing too [13:52] we can force it to restart if we have to, but :-( [13:52] So, you'd better check out happened [13:53] Since I have a hunch it is the SDK emulator [13:53] lol, I doubt it [13:53] balloons, what do you think it is then? [13:53] Two merges, seperate application, same test failing [13:53] separate issues [13:54] balloons, yeah, that's quite a splendid fail:P [13:58] ok smartboyhw it's rebuilding [13:58] now that we can do that, we should be able to tackle whatever issues it is finding [13:59] balloons, \o/ [14:00] DanChapman, on yesterday if you can help confirm or deny what senan was seeing that would be helpful. I tried a little on my box, but I'll have to run it again [14:02] balloons: yep can do :-) I'll just find the bug link you sent to the list [14:02] ty :-) [14:02] I wonder if it's only terminal for instance, or if every test is that way [14:02] balloons: Its also slow on raring for me [14:02] I have to finish setting up the raring box here, it was giving me troubles with bzr yesterday [14:02] balloons all tests seem it today :-S [14:03] balloons, this one seems simliar to mine problems http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests/99/testReport/junit/calendar_app.tests.test_calendar/TestMainView/test_new_event_with_mouse_/ [14:03] well if that happens we're going to end up pulling his exact versions or asking him to repeat [14:03] this build is taking so long [14:08] balloons, GRUMBLE http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests/101 [14:10] smartboyhw, I see it. So it was as I suspected [14:10] one of the autopilot tests is failing which has nothing to do with your commit, but [14:10] balloons, but? [14:11] but your stuck because of it [14:11] balloons, yes, exactly, dpm said either the tests need to pass or disabled [14:11] Which, we don't want the second option to happen [14:12] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3847/ubuntu-rssreader-app-autopilot/321431/ [14:14] OK [14:14] * smartboyhw can't understand Python tracebacks;P [14:14] yes but someone 7 hours ago merged just fine [14:14] I don't understand why it's magically failing [14:14] balloons, -.- [14:18] I'm going to do a trunk build and see if it fails [14:20] http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests/103/? [14:20] balloons, let's see [14:21] yep, fails same way as expected [14:22] balloons, uh hum [14:22] So, autopilot fail:( [14:25] smartboyhw, your merge isn't approved at any rate [14:25] balloons, why? [14:26] no one has said approve it [14:26] balloons, well, I and dpm are hold up by that [14:26] dpm let a needs info review [14:26] *left [14:26] balloons, I fixed that already [14:26] But we are now stuck at that point [14:26] right, but the status is not set to approved [14:27] no one approved it, jenkins won't merge until someone does no matter what [14:27] balloons, OK [14:57] smartboyhw, ok so time to test the changes to see if they run [14:59] http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests/105 [15:03] elopio, anything going on with ubuntu-ui-toolkit today you know of? === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw [15:03] things are acting a bit funny [15:04] balloons: I know nothing. [15:04] and for the first time, it's not likely to be my fault :) I haven't touched it for a while. [15:06] elopio, ok, just double checking to make sure.. I'm assuming archive churn is the issue [15:21] yea, bother, a new version landed and must not have gone through all the archives yet :-( [15:37] balloons, I think you are in a bad mood today, cheer up [15:40] smartboyhw, I do love your forceful coercion .. You are X, stop being X [15:41] balloons, LOL [15:41] * smartboyhw likes forcing others into some sort of emotional state:p === zyga is now known as zyga-afk [19:02] balloons, Hey [19:03] balloons, thanks for helping for my 2fa problem [19:05] Letozaf_, all working now? [19:06] balloons, looks like :) [19:06] balloons, I just logged on to launchpad but everything looks fine for now [19:06] balloons, I will work this evening and see if I have problems [19:07] balloons, I will take a look at the rssreader test, is it complete now ? [19:07] balloons, balloons I mean in the parts we were working on [19:19] Letozaf_, it works on my box now, but I think it will still fail in the lab [19:19] the issue was an application one where the keyboard was blocking things [19:19] so not a test issue [19:20] I would continue writing new tests at this point [19:22] balloons, I am running the test on my notebook now.. [19:22] balloons, ok so I will write some new tests [19:24] balloons, I added a new ssh key on launchpad for the other notebook I am using and everything seems to work fine :) (fiew) [19:26] heh.. ya, just try and get 2 devices working so you have a backup [19:26] I use the google auth and yubikey [19:38] balloons, yeah I will [19:41] balloons, done for one phone, now the other :) [19:49] balloons, fine now I have two device in === salem_ is now known as _salem