[00:10] <lool> cjwatson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+bug/1218674
[00:10] <lool> alecu: ^
[00:10] <lool> now, what's the least intrusive fix
[00:11] <lool> I dont really want to poke download manager
[00:11] <lool> note to self: slightly ridiculous to take that long to find a permission issue
[00:11] <cjwatson> ah, I've seen bugs like that before - I suspect the right answer is to open it first in click and pass fds around
[00:11] <cjwatson> I don't really think it's the scope's job to fix that
[00:12] <lool> ok
[00:12] <cjwatson> click's internal uid shuffling should be its own problem, basically
[00:12] <CountryfiedLinux> oh ok thanks Fishscene
[00:12] <Fishscene> NP mate.
[00:14] <lool> I dont quite understand why the results were so random
[00:14] <lool> but anyway
[00:20] <lool> cjwatson: Hmm it's not strace messing the ldpreloading is it?
[00:32] <cwayne> is there a tutorial anywhere for writing a scope?
[00:38] <mhall119> cwayne: yes
[00:38] <mhall119> cwayne: http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/tutorials/scopes/writing-a-unity-scope/
[00:40] <cwayne> mhall119, wonderful, thank you
[00:41] <boiko> lool: thanks
[00:47] <cyphermox> rsalveti: available for a quick review?
[01:37] <thomi> slangasek: Hi - no special setup has been needed in the past, so there's no HOWTO document. I usually either sdh shell or ssh in, and run 'autopilot run test.id.here'
[02:38] <lool> alecu: Good news, I think I have a patch
[02:39] <lool> alecu: at least it worked in my basic testing
[02:39] <lool> alecu: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1218674
[03:00] <slangasek> thomi: hmm, so I did that, 'autopilot run ubuntu_rssreader_app.tests.test_rssreader.TestMainWindow.test_add_remove_feed_and_topic' copied from http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3825/ubuntu-rssreader-app-autopilot/317522/, run as root, and I get dbus errors :/
[03:02] <thomi> slangasek: so you're trying to reproduce the DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS environment variable being missing?
[03:03] <thomi> slangasek: also, I'm not familiat with the rssreader test suite, so I don't know how stable is is. Perhaps run some unity8 test suite as a litmus test?
[03:25] <slangasek> thomi: can you url me?
[03:38] <thomi> slangasek: I think you're asking for this? http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3833/unity8-autopilot/
[04:00] <half_mast> Does anyone know if the email core app is being working on yet?
[06:28] <balachmar> I want to run UT on a Galaxy S and I am following this guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting I am at Device Changes SUID, but I can't find the fstab, should I look on my computer or on the phone?
[06:58] <oSoMoN> good morning
[07:09] <balachmar> I think I have found the fstab thing in the aries folder from which apparently some things are used
[07:33] <asac> oSoMoN: is there anyone from apps team that could look at calendar/share/notes and friedns apps failures?
[07:33] <asac> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3833/
[07:34] <oSoMoN> asac: me I guess, let me check
[07:34] <asac> oSoMoN: :)
[07:35] <asac> sorry. if you could have nailed down who busted you i would have preferred to go to those and tell them to better coordinate and test their stuff
[07:35] <asac> but whatever fix helps :)
[07:35] <asac> oSoMoN: so, but the webbrowser didnt change...
[07:36] <asac> oSoMoN: i assume uitoolkit really changed and didnt test before landing?
[07:54] <oSoMoN> asac: yeah, that’s a change in the uitk that triggered the failures, but really the responsibility is shared, as all the apps should be using the standard emulators provided by the uitk to implement their autopilot tests, and the browser wasn’t using them yet, so its tests were making assumptions that became false with the changes in the uitk (the actual functionality of the app wasn’t impacted, only the tests)
[07:54] <oSoMoN> asac: I had been meaning to update the browser tests to use the standard emulators for a while, but the task kept being delayed by other more urgent ones
[07:55] <oSoMoN> at least this is done now
[07:59] <asac> oSoMoN: right. still testeing would have revealed this before the landing
[08:00] <asac> oSoMoN: and you could have worked on this withou a firedrill if they had warned you :)
[08:00] <oSoMoN> asac: true
[08:08] <asac> Mirv: sil2100: do we have a spreadsheet that has all the branches we daily-release somewhere?
[08:08] <asac> or a list that I can copy over?
[08:09] <asac> psivaa: hi
[08:09] <asac> psivaa: can you give back http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3833/camera-app-autopilot/ ?
[08:11] <dholbach> lool, great work on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1218674
[08:11] <asac> lool rocks :)
[08:11] <ogra_> and rolls ...
[08:11] <asac> ogra_: moin moin
[08:11] <asac> :)
[08:11] <ogra_> moinsen
[08:12] <asac> and the show goes on :)
[08:12] <ogra_> heh
[08:12] <asac> ogra_: quick status update: uitoolkit didnt help alone, oSoMoN is now working on a webbrowser real fix and is looking in the apps autopilot failures
[08:13] <asac> ogra_: further we have unity8 looping every other boot
[08:13] <asac> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/saucy-touch-mako-smoke-camera-app-autopilot/85/artifact/clientlogs/top_before.log/*view*/
[08:13] <asac> ogra_: and we have sensorservice sometimes going wild
[08:13] <asac> anything missing?
[08:13] <asac> :)
[08:14] <asac> e.g. all the failures explainable by those?
[08:14] <asac> :)
[08:14] <oSoMoN> asac: share-app is fixed in trunk, so the next release will make its tests green again, and I’m looking at calendar-app
[08:14] <asac> oSoMoN: awesome!!!
[08:14] <asac> ogra_: so i am pretty sure we want an early midday image
[08:14] <asac> so we know if the weekend starts green :)
[08:14] <ogra_> wow, there are quite some additions/removals http://paste.ubuntu.com/6043196/
[08:14] <asac> well, floodgates were open, FF was coming:)
[08:14] <asac> ogra_: new unity
[08:15] <ogra_> well
[08:15] <ogra_> i dont care about the updates
[08:15] <asac> lool: can you look at the package diff http://paste.ubuntu.com/6043196/
[08:15] <ogra_> it seems a lot of dependencies changed on top of the few seed changes we had
[08:15] <asac> lool: i believe some there are changing because of click/systemupdates
[08:15] <ogra_> well, yeah, cjohnston seeded packagekit
[08:16] <dholbach> asac, the /beat/ goes on! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjUSlBCLIAU)
[08:16] <ogra_> err
[08:16] <asac> ogra_: libcheese? :)
[08:16] <ogra_> cjwatson,
[08:16] <ogra_> asac, goes well with libbacon :)
[08:16] <seb128> ogra_, asac: libcheese is coming from g-c-c, that's being worked on, do we need to have that discussion every day? ;-)
[08:16] <asac> ogra_: didnt know about cheese
[08:16] <asac> seb128: err you
[08:16] <ogra_> seb128, nah, then it wouldnt be a real day
[08:16] <ogra_> :P
[08:16] <asac> no, no discussion neede don that one
[08:17] <cjwatson> yeah, packagekit => at least gdebi-core, packagekit-backend-aptcc, python-{apt,chardet,debian,six}, python3-packagekit
[08:17] <asac> just wanted someone to double check that the changes we see are sane :)
[08:17] <asac> or at leasat understood
[08:17] <seb128> asac, they are buggy but understood
[08:17] <cjwatson> and also => dropped python3-aptdaemon{,.pkcompat}
[08:17] <dholbach> ogra_, groundhog day :)
[08:17] <cjwatson> probably also => dropped python3-defer
[08:17] <ogra_> dholbach, hehe
[08:17] <asac> dholbach: :)
[08:18] <cjwatson> doesn't look all that worrying anyway
[08:18] <ogra_> well, it looks bigger than i expected from the seed changes
[08:20] <Mirv> asac: is changes often, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cupstream2distro-maintainers/cupstream2distro-config/trunk/files/head:/stacks/head/ has them all
[08:20] <cjwatson> Looks fairly routine from the days when I used to read the diff between Ubuntu desktop images every day.
[08:20] <Mirv> s/is/it/
[08:21] <asac> Mirv: do those .cfg files include the list of autopilots to run for each stack?
[08:21] <Mirv> asac: yes
[08:21] <asac> Mirv: i see:
[08:21] <asac>     testpackages: unity8-autopilot
[08:22] <asac> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cupstream2distro-maintainers/cupstream2distro-config/trunk/view/head:/stacks/head/unity8.cfg
[08:22] <Mirv> "tests:" (run after installing the packages "testpackages:")
[08:22] <asac> Mirv: how do you guess the component to acutally run?
[08:22] <asac> i know that we have a syntax best practice, but found that there are autopilot tests that have a different syntax styule
[08:23] <asac> Mirv: so those files seem to not include the know how of which branch goes into which stack
[08:23] <Mirv> asac: so there simply autopilot run unity8 is done (as tests: unity8) says after installing unity8-autopilot
[08:23] <asac> Mirv: where is that know how? i assume a separate cfg for upstream merger has that?
[08:23] <Mirv> asac: the branches are the items under "projects"
[08:23] <asac> Mirv: oh i see the tests: field now. thankx
[08:23] <Mirv> so each subitem there
[08:24] <asac> Mirv: i cant see a URL for the bzr branch
[08:24] <Mirv> asac: it's lp:item
[08:24] <asac> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cupstream2distro-maintainers/cupstream2distro-config/trunk/view/head:/stacks/head/unity8.cfg
[08:24] <asac> there is no lp:
[08:24] <asac> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cupstream2distro-maintainers/cupstream2distro-config/trunk/view/head:/stacks/head/phone.cfg here neither
[08:24] <asac> oh
[08:24] <Mirv> asac: yes, but that's the branch name, so bzr branch lp:itenname works
[08:25] <asac> i see what you mean :)
[08:25] <asac> yuou could put in:
[08:25] <asac> unity8/1.2
[08:25] <asac> as item
[08:25] <Mirv> yep
[08:25] <seb128> asac, can you delay questions for a bit, I need Mirv (or sil2100) to look at http://10.97.0.1:8080/job/autopilot-saucy-daily_release/1437/label=autopilot-intel/console so we can land indicators and get gnome-control-center out of the touch image
[08:25] <asac> and it would guess lp:unity8/1.2
[08:25] <seb128> ?
[08:25] <asac> seb128: of course, he just needs to tell me so :) ... this is certainly long term talk
[08:25] <seb128> asac, thanks
[08:25] <Mirv> seb128: ok
[08:25] <seb128> Mirv, ^ can you look at that (I asked on #ubuntu-desktop also but not sure you saw it there)
[08:26] <Mirv> seb128: I saw now also there
[08:33] <psivaa> asac: ack, just did it
[08:33] <psivaa> and will look at any other that needs re-running
[08:57] <AskUbuntu> How can HTML5 Ubuntu Touch apps access camera and microphone? | http://askubuntu.com/q/339253
[09:12] <asac> psivaa: thanks!
[09:12] <psivaa> asac: np
[09:25] <timp> popey: I like this :) http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/08/ubuntu-touch-adds-first-run-intro-tour
[09:25] <popey> timp: it's nice isn't it!
[09:26] <timp> popey: yes. subtle and clean, but clear
[09:26] <discopig> i cant wait for mir to work on ubuntu touch
[09:27] <popey> timp: saw a fair number of people at OSCON who picked up the phone and started randomly stabbing the screen, couldn't figure out how to unlock it or start apps.
[09:27] <popey> this will help 100%
[09:27] <balachmar> @popey can't wait to get it running on an old Galaxy S, currently midway of the porting guide
[09:28] <popey> balachmar: ooh, that would rock
[09:28] <discopig> doesn't italready run?
[09:28] <discopig> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/galaxysmtd
[09:36] <cking> mediaplayer-app when playing the sintel_trailer-1080p.mp4 demo asset is running really slow on todays image on my samsung galaxy nexus, it is pegging one CPU at 100%.  the previous phablet image I was using a couple of days ago it was much smoother
[09:37] <cking> it's as if A/V sync is completely messed up
[09:38] <ogra_> cking, yeah, we are in the middle of changing to gstreamer decoding
[09:38] <ogra_> until the new stuff is in it will use SW decoding
[09:38] <ogra_> which causes such issues
[09:38] <cking> ogra_, that explains it :-)
[09:38] <ogra_> for me it actually runs very smooth until the buffer is filled the first time ... 15-30sec :)
[09:39] <ogra_> after that its a slideshow with sound
[09:39] <cking> ogra_, yep, I see the same kind of issue. so when will H/W decoding appear? I was going to power measure A/V playback
[09:40] <ogra_> i think the plan is to land it today, but for details ask jhodapp and rsalveti once they are up, they are doing that transition
[09:40] <jamesh> ogra_: hi.  would it be possible to add "mediascanner" and "unity-scope-mediascanner" to the ubuntu-touch meta package dependencies?
[09:40] <ogra_> jamesh, with pleasure :)
[09:41] <ogra_> jamesh, doe that have autopilot tests the QA team should know about ?
[09:42] <jamesh> ogra_: there is an integration test between the two packages, but it doesn't go through autopilot -- it tests at the scope API level
[09:43] <ogra_> ok, probably makes sense if someone develops some runtime test then ...
[09:44] <jamesh> ogra_: Unity8 is currently configured to show music from the "mockmusic" scope at present, so it doesn't actually show up in the UI yet
[09:45] <ogra_> right, but if it does it should get testing :)
[09:45] <Mirv> asac: let's postpone your further daily release config questions to Monday, my post-FF+UDS head can't take more tasks at the moment than the ones I have now
[09:45] <jamesh> being able to show some real data on the phone in the music scope is probably a precondition to get to a point where it can use the real music scope and those tests can be written
[09:45] <ogra_> (i didnt say i want to see a test right now, but someone should talk to QA about runtime tests)
[09:45] <jamesh> agreed.
[09:51] <asac> Mirv: absolutely :)
[09:51] <lool> asac: looking
[09:52] <lool> asac: so dconf-cli is a bug, should get back on the image
[09:52] <lool> asac: it is used to set an ofono settting; I dont know what that breaks
[09:52] <lool> asac: see https://code.launchpad.net/~lool/telephony-service/add-missing-dconf-cli-dep/+merge/183055
[09:53] <lool> asac: the aptdaemon / packagekit stuff should be ok
[09:53] <ogra_> lool, uh, then ofono should have a dep on it
[09:53] <lool> asac: I dont know why we're pulling libcheese (camera app I guess), that probably explains all the GNOME deps
[09:54] <lool> ogra_: that's what the mp adds
[09:54] <lool> it's telephony-app's ofon-setup script IIRC
[09:54] <ogra_> ah, ok
[09:54] <ogra_> i was wondering why you didnt add it to ofono itself ... fine then
[09:55] <ogra_> cheese comes in with gnome-c-c i think
[09:55] <lool> I dont know, I just spotted it in passing in the logs in my home dir
[09:55] <ogra_> which all the indicators depend on
[09:56] <mamenyaka> diwic, available?
[09:56] <asac> lool: yeah. seb alreadyu explained libcheese with g-c-c which is being worked on
[09:56] <diwic> mamenyaka, somewhat
[09:56] <asac> lool: thanks. sounds all is good and in hands
[09:57] <mamenyaka> diwic, I am fresh installing 0830 to test the sound
[09:58] <diwic> mamenyaka, on what device?
[09:59] <mamenyaka> diwic, Sony Tablet Z for starters, it has the apq80... card
[09:59] <diwic> mamenyaka, right
[09:59] <diwic> mamenyaka, chances are you need to fix up or completely rewrite the UCM files before it's working, but feel free to try
[10:00] <mamenyaka> diwic, that's great
[10:01] <mamenyaka> diwic, and later, I have a Note 10.1, with a card named Midas_WM1811
[10:01] <cjwatson> seb128: regarding icon in click packages, in a hypothetical multi-app package this would need to be per-app not per-package, right?
[10:03] <seb128> mpt, ^ do you have an opinion?
[10:03] <cjwatson> That is, it's basically associated with each desktop file
[10:03] <seb128> cjwatson, I didn't know we would have multiple apps in a click
[10:03] <cjwatson> The design permits it
[10:03] <seb128> cjwatson, is each app having it own subdir/datas in that case?
[10:04] <cjwatson> I don't know how much we'll use it in practice but we decided to design it in from the start rather than having to retrofit it
[10:04] <cjwatson> They share an apparmor profile and I think a data directory
[10:04] <popey> ogra_: I sympathise with your connection now...  8% [==>                                    ] 4,281,428   3.90KB/s  eta 31m 5s
[10:05] <ogra_> heh, well, mine is usually around 300k :) i'm not syuffering *that* much :)
[10:05] <mamenyaka> wow, what a nice tutorial with the new image!
[10:08] <seb128> cjwatson, the design mockup is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AboutThisDevice?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=phone-storage.png
[10:08] <cjwatson> So that's probably just per-package
[10:08] <seb128> cjwatson, my gut feeling is that the list should be a list of clicks, not apps, but I'm unsure ... mpt is the designer and he might have an idea
[10:09] <cjwatson> I think it will be a lot easier to implement per-package really and we should probably just do that
[10:09] <cjwatson> And make more sense given possible shared data between apps in the same package
[10:09] <seb128> cjwatson, if a click has app A-B-C and they are listed as 3 it becomes hard to know how much space you win by uninstalling that click for example
[10:09] <cjwatson> Exactly
[10:09] <mamenyaka> diwic, is the Music app reliable? it hangs white
[10:09] <mamenyaka> in settings, no sound
[10:09] <cjwatson> OK, so this is just a matter of recommending an "icon" entry at the top level of the manifest?
[10:10] <cjwatson> The existing official packages don't have anything like that yet so free to make one up
[10:10] <seb128> cjwatson, yes, basically ... I'm throwing the "click list --manifest" json output to a qml model
[10:10] <diwic> mamenyaka, we have had other people testing the music app and it's working
[10:10] <seb128> and using the title/icon to set the listitems text and icon
[10:10] <diwic> mamenyaka, on the nexus 4
[10:11] <mamenyaka> diwic, it worked for me too some images before, but now it's not working
[10:11] <diwic> mamenyaka, but start by testing "paplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Left.wav" e g
[10:11] <diwic> mamenyaka, and see if it hangs or seems to play back but silent output
[10:11] <diwic> mamenyaka, i e quits after a few seconds
[10:12] <diwic> mamenyaka, paplay is in pulseaudio-utils
[10:12] <cjwatson> seb128: (installed-size is done in click trunk btw)
[10:12] <mamenyaka> and where do I find the pulseaudio utils?
[10:12] <seb128> cjwatson, (great, thanks)
[10:12] <cjwatson> seb128: you'll need to get Sergio to add "icon" entries to the official click packages
[10:13] <cjwatson> seb128: would you like to suggest a one-line description of the "icon" key for the file format spec?
[10:13] <seb128> cjwatson, once they have it then the manifest is going to pick the info?
[10:14] <cjwatson> how do you mean?
[10:14] <cjwatson> "click list --manifest" just dumps the manifest out ...
[10:16] <seb128> cjwatson, ok, I'm unsure I understand what you call "official click packages"/what Sergio needs to do
[10:16] <seb128> the spec needs to be updated
[10:16] <seb128> and then the existing packages need to be updated?
[10:17] <mamenyaka> diwic, # paplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Left.wav
[10:17] <mamenyaka> Connection failure: Connection refused
[10:17] <mamenyaka> pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused
[10:18] <cjwatson> seb128: Sergio maintains the code that creates the packages on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/click_packages/
[10:18] <cjwatson> seb128: And yes, the existing packages need to be updated with an icon (I can't magic that out of nowhere) and rebuilt with click 0.4.x once released
[10:19] <cjwatson> (for installed-size)
[10:19] <diwic> mamenyaka, sounds like pulseaudio is not running. Try killing pulseaudio processes if there still are any and start it again, e g with "pulseaudio -vvvv" if you want a debug log too
[10:19] <cjwatson> Other click packages will presumably follow along in time too, but it's important to have the core apps follow current standards
[10:19] <seb128> cjwatson, ok
[10:20] <cjwatson> seb128: so can I have that description of icon?  in particular I need to know if any image file at all will do or if there are limitations on its format
[10:20] <seb128> cjwatson, description ... we can copy the desktop spec one: "Icon to display in interfaces listing click packages. If the name is an absolute path, the given file will be used. If the name is not an absolute path, the algorithm described in the Icon Theme Specification will be used to locate the icon. "
[10:20] <seb128> (slightly adapted the "to display in..."
[10:20] <cjwatson> OK
[10:21] <cjwatson> so no particular limitations, you'll just rescale if needed?
[10:21] <seb128> cjwatson, does that work for you or do you needs specifics on the format?
[10:21] <seb128> right
[10:21] <cjwatson> that's fine, I probably don't need to be more specific than the desktop entry spec is
[10:21] <seb128> just doing what is done for .desktop files seems logical to me
[10:22] <seb128> great
[10:22] <mamenyaka> diwic, ok, now getting output with paplay, but no sound
[10:22] <diwic> mamenyaka, then you might need to adjust the UCM files in /usr/share/alsa/ucm/apq... to make it work with your device
[10:23] <cjwatson> seb128: actually we should refine the bit about paths
[10:23] <mamenyaka> diwic, so I have apq8064-tabla-snd-card
[10:23] <mamenyaka> diwic, and is this okay? cdev "hw:apq8064tablasnd"
[10:23] <cjwatson> seb128: I would suggest that the path must either be relative to the base of the click package (not absolute), or it should be icon-theme
[10:24] <seb128> cjwatson, that makes sense in context of the clicks yes, +1 from me
[10:24] <cjwatson> seb128: which means that the code using this will need to try to resolve it relative to the click base, and then fall back to icon-theme - it can't test for absoluteness first
[10:24] <cjwatson> seb128: we could include absolute path as well if you think that would be useful but I'd be inclined to say it's normally a bad idea
[10:25] <seb128> ok
[10:25] <diwic> mamenyaka, cat /proc/asound/cards to see
[10:25] <diwic> mamenyaka, also, does "pacmd list-sinks" show stuff like "[Out] Speaker" ?
[10:25] <cjwatson> but I suppose it would be weird not to support it
[10:25] <seb128> cjwatson, no, I don't think we need absolute path
[10:25] <diwic> mamenyaka, in the "ports" section
[10:25] <cjwatson> I'll just not specify it, if code happens to support it - e.g. os.path.join(base, abs_path) => abs_path - then so be it
[10:25] <mamenyaka> diwic, No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[10:25] <seb128> wfm
[10:25] <Laney> hmm
[10:26] <diwic> mamenyaka, and the pulseaudio you started is still running?
[10:26] <Laney> how am I going to check the passcode / passphrase?
[10:26] <mamenyaka> diwic, I'm guessing not
[10:26] <mamenyaka> the shell is frozen
[10:27] <mamenyaka> but it shows up in ps
[10:27] <diwic> maybe it works better if you have a better UCM file
[10:28] <mamenyaka> diwic, killed, restarted, now ok
[10:28] <mamenyaka> got all three out
[10:28] <mamenyaka> diwic, [Out] Speaker: Main speaker (priority 100, latency offset 0 usec, available: unknown)
[10:28] <mamenyaka> and an empty properties
[10:29] <diwic> mamenyaka, cool. So then the card name is probably right at least
[10:29] <cjwatson> seb128: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~click-hackers/click/trunk/revision/216
[10:29] <diwic> mamenyaka, now for the ucm file, the changes you need to make are very device specific and might need some detective work to figure out
[10:29] <mamenyaka> diwic, so now where to poke the ucm file?
[10:29] <mamenyaka> diwic, oh
[10:30] <diwic> mamenyaka, in my case (nexus 4), there was a file /system/etc/snd_soc_msm/* that contained very good hints of what the mixer should be set to
[10:30] <mamenyaka> diwic, I have files there
[10:30] <seb128> cjwatson, great, thanks a lot!
[10:30] <mamenyaka> diwic, snd_soc_msm_2x  snd_soc_msm_2x_Fusion3
[10:30] <mpt> seb128, cjwatson: Oh, no, not again. I had this same headache with USC. :-]
[10:31] <diwic> mamenyaka, btw, did you read my blog post / announce email which contained some basic info on UCM?
[10:31] <mamenyaka> diwic, of course
[10:31] <diwic> mamenyaka, e g remove the VoiceCall stuff on tablets
[10:31] <mamenyaka> diwic, but that didn't help me much
[10:31] <seb128> cjwatson, I guess I should wait for that to be released before pinging Sergio?
[10:31] <mamenyaka> diwic, yes, did that
[10:32] <cjwatson> seb128: He can add the icon any time, but he'll need to wait for 0.4.0 before he can rebuild and get installed-size
[10:32] <seb128> ok
[10:32] <diwic> mamenyaka, ok. I'm not sure which of the two files (2x or 2x_Fusion3) that is the right one for your platform, but look through them both and look for hints on how to set up the speaker.
[10:32] <diwic> mamenyaka, then try to adjust the UCM file to fit
[10:33] <mpt> seb128, cjwatson: Is it possible to get the icons of all the apps in a package?
[10:34] <cjwatson> We don't have a specification for per-app icons yet in the manifest, except by going through the desktop file
[10:34] <cjwatson> So not really
[10:34] <cjwatson> Ted has been suggesting that I rename "hooks" to "apps" or something, which would make it more reasonable to add it there
[10:35] <cjwatson> Though it would still amount to duplication with respect to the desktop file
[10:35] <mamenyaka> diwic, I have the files here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6043594/
[10:35] <diwic> mamenyaka, and restart pulseaudio when you want to test your changes
[10:35] <cjwatson> I guess a sufficiently smart tool could walk the manifest, find desktop files, parse each one, find the icon
[10:36] <cjwatson> Maybe that isn't even unreasonable
[10:36] <mamenyaka> diwic, okay
[10:36] <mamenyaka> diwic, thank you for all the help
[10:36] <diwic> SectionDevice
[10:36] <diwic> 	Name "Speaker"
[10:36] <diwic> 	Comment "Speaker Rx device"
[10:37] <diwic> mamenyaka, ^ that's where to start looking
[10:38] <diwic> mamenyaka, yw - I'll go for lunch now
[10:44] <discopig> ubuntu touch on nexus 4 is so nice
[10:44] <ogra_> asac, FYI http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/ ... latest 15min after a new image was published you should have a diff log there
[10:46] <asac> ogra_: awesome!
[10:47] <cjohnston> asac: were you wanting to display something like that on the dashboard?
[10:47] <nhaines> ogra_: thanks for publishing that package change script.  I think it'll be useful.  :)
[10:48] <asac> cjohnston: we want many things, yes.
[10:48] <asac> :)
[10:49] <asac> cjohnston: not only do i want to see the diff from previou image, i also would love to be able to interactively diff builds
[10:49] <asac> like compare build from 1 week to todays
[10:49] <asac> cjohnston: why are you awake?
[10:49] <asac> :)
[10:49]  * asac tries to do the math
[10:49]  * cjohnston blames you
[10:50] <asac> thats not nice. now i feel bad again :)
[10:50] <cjohnston> hehehe
[10:50] <cjohnston> its almost 7
[10:50] <asac> cjohnston: what have i done? :)
[10:50] <asac> ah so you are a morning person?
[10:50] <cjohnston> ok then.. I blame school aged kids
[10:50] <cjohnston> not at all
[10:50] <asac> so you slept before now :)?
[10:50] <asac> thats what i was worried about
[10:50] <asac> lol
[10:51] <cjohnston> Ya.. I went to bed a couple hours ago
[10:51]  * cjohnston wonders more about ogra_ script that may help make cjohnston's life a little easier ;-)
[10:51] <asac> yeah
[10:51] <asac> ogra_'s scripts are always open source
[10:52] <asac> so you should be able to get it :)
[10:52] <ogra_> cjohnston, feel free to grab, modify, integrate somewhere etc :)
[10:52] <ogra_> its in the same dir ... a usage description is in the README
[10:52] <ogra_> if i find the time i might integrate that stuff into cdimage directly
[10:52] <mamenyaka> diwic, !!! headphones working!
[10:53] <ogra_> so we just get some ".package.diff" filr in the publishing dir for that
[10:53] <ogra_> *file
[10:54] <cjohnston> Thanks ogra_
[10:55] <ogra_> :)
[10:59] <asac> oSoMoN: so your webbrowser fix is in the archive?
[10:59]  * asac wonders if we should try to validate that it fixed all with an image kick
[10:59] <ogra_> asac, oh, in case you dont know it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6039695/ seems jodh wrote something similar to the systemsettle test
[11:00] <cjohnston> kicking something sounds fun
[11:00] <ogra_> but more focused on processes than just iterating over top output
[11:00] <asac> jhodapp: hey... wanna chat about that script? :)
[11:00] <oSoMoN> asac: it’s been released, it should be in the archive (allowing for the necessary latency to propagate there)
[11:01] <ogra_> (well, it screen scrapes top too after all)
[11:01] <asac> jhodapp: basically, want to understand if there is a low hanging fruit for improving automation with your script
[11:01] <ogra_> asac, wrong jodh<tab> :)
[11:01] <asac> jodh: ^^ :)
[11:01] <asac> sorry
[11:03] <thibaut`> hi all - I've some ideas how a bookmakr feature could be implemented
[11:04] <thibaut`> where to post it? wiki? bug ticket? send some one a mail?
[11:04] <jodh> asac: you mean QA testing? It would be easy for QA to run that script every 'n' seconds in a test environment and fail the test if it finds anything chewing cpu I guess.
[11:05] <ogra_> thibaut`, whats wrong with the existing bookmark feature ?
[11:06] <ogra_> thibaut`, well, the best would to file a whishlist bug against the webbrowser-app i think
[11:07] <ogra_> ah !
[11:07] <ogra_> well, then against the file manager
[11:07] <thibaut`> ok
[11:07] <thibaut`> thx
[11:10] <asac> jodh: so what we currently do is that we run something that waits n-minutes and fails if the system never goes idle
[11:10] <asac> jodh: does this script do the same or more or something different?
[11:11] <jodh> asac: my script just gets a snapshot of the top cpu hogs. Then, next time it is run, if those same pids are still above the specified cpu threshold, it will print an error message.
[11:12] <jodh> asac: I was actually hoping to get it, or something rather more sophisticated onto the images and hooked into apport since QA will never find all possible "spinners".
[11:12] <mamenyaka> diwic, I have active port: <[Out] Headphones>, even when there are no headphones
[11:12] <ogra_> well, the systemsettle test does something like that on boot
[11:12] <ogra_> but not as fine grained as yours
[11:13] <ogra_> so QA will catch CPU hogs as long as they happen on boot
[11:14] <jodh> ogra_: ok, great. However, I still feel there is value in having something like this on an image. Same rationale as whoopsie+apport: we can't test every possible combination of programs that might suddenly "go rogue" :)
[11:14] <ogra_> yeah, i didnt debate to have it on the image too :)
[11:15] <ogra_> i just think it might also improve the test QA already runs :)
[11:16] <jodh> The current feeling is to rewrite the script in C, potentially as part of whoopsie. However, we're at the "exploratory" phase atm. The other issue is what you do if you find a hog. Since such a facility should work on all devices, we don't want to kill long-running RDBMS services on a server, or gcc/firefox/etc on a desktop.
[11:18] <ev> for those not following the thread, my proposal there was to leave GUI applications to the hanging application check that will eventually go into Mir
[11:18] <ev> and just handle background processes with jodh's proposed script
[11:19] <ogra_> you should talk to ricmm ... it sounds like a natural place for this to live would be the application lifecycle handling
[11:22] <popey> hmm, i can't seem to flash this maguro. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6043726/
[11:22] <popey> it barfs  saying autodeploy not found
[11:23] <ogra_> retry ?
[11:23] <popey> tried twice
[11:23] <popey> trying without -b
[11:25] <popey> working now
[11:32] <popey> ooh, next phone has old cwmr with the hat
[11:41] <balachmar> discopig: that page was last updated in march, I would assume things have evolved :)
[11:44] <BiohZn> Hi, i would like to know if Ubuntu Touch is ready for at least semi day-to-day use, and if there is an up-to-date list of working and non-working functions in touch atm
[11:44] <OrokuSaki> I think msm audio will soon work for me
[11:44] <OrokuSaki> I have aplay working as root
[11:45] <OrokuSaki> silent when I run as phablet, audio plays when I run as root
[11:45] <OrokuSaki> added phablet to the audio group, rebooting, crossing fingers
[11:46] <OrokuSaki> Had to borrow WebOS
[11:46] <OrokuSaki> and use /usr/share/alsa from webos
[11:46] <OrokuSaki> and run audiod from webos
[11:46] <OrokuSaki> while booting touch
[11:56] <asac> ogra_: have you kicked for the webbrowser fix confirm?
[11:56] <asac> i think it sin for 2h alreawdy: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app
[11:59] <ogra_> asac, nope, nobody askwed
[11:59] <asac> ogra_: thought i did above :)
[11:59] <asac> lets do one
[11:59] <asac> if its cheap
[11:59] <ogra_> np, kicking off
[11:59] <asac> coolio
[12:00] <ogra_> running
[12:15] <OrokuSaki> Does bluetooth work through LXC? Or can I attempt to use bluetooth like I do with Ubuntu 13.04?
[12:16] <OrokuSaki> Non-touch
[12:16] <OrokuSaki> @ogra =)
[12:16] <ogra_> no idea, never tried
[12:16] <OrokuSaki> sweet, let ya know
[12:20] <thibaut`> here my file manager global bookmark suggestion - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1218872
[12:21] <thibaut`> I don't know how to set the status to 'whishlist'
[12:23] <jodh> ogra_: fyi upstart 1.10 has at last hit the archive.
[12:23] <ogra_> yeah, saw the upload :)
[12:25] <jodh> ogra_: uploaded 2 days ago, appeared in release pocket within the last hour or so.
[12:25] <ogra_> yep
[12:26] <Jardar> Stupid question: Will the 2nd Gen Nexus 7 be supported?
[12:26] <ogra_> Jardar, not by canonical, but there are likely community people working on a port
[12:27] <Jardar> Sigh... Anyone want to trade a gen2 for gen1 Nexus 7? :p
[12:31] <seb128> mpt, hum, I see that in the "system settings planning" you crossed the "about this phone" items, what does that mean? (e.g you crossed the visual design item, but I don't see them on that document nor on the wiki)
[12:34] <mpt> seb128, it means that I've copied it into the table
[12:34] <seb128> mpt, the table is all green without visual though?
[12:35] <seb128> mpt, or at least it doesn't have a line for visual... I guess any line missing those is a TODO?
[12:36] <ogra_> asac, 30.1 is up btw
[12:36] <seb128> mpt, speaking of visual, do you have a tip on how to open the ones in the table in a resolution that would let me see what's on the image?
[12:36] <seb128> mpt, the 10x30 pixels thumbnails is too small for my eyes
[12:37] <seb128> mpt, and I can't find a way to see that as an image (supposing there is an image with proper resolution behind those)
[12:37] <seb128> hum, supposing->assuming
[12:42] <ogra_> jdstrand, hmm, that looks odd http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3846/security/321547/
[12:43] <jdstrand> ogra_: indeed. what changed underneath ufw? :)
[12:43] <ogra_> apw, ^^^
[12:43] <jdstrand> seems like the maguro kernel changed?
[12:43] <ogra_> it did, but doesnt mention firefall stuff
[12:44] <ogra_> *firewall
[12:44] <ogra_>   * prctl: add PR_{SET,GET}_CHILD_SUBREAPER to allow simple process
[12:44] <ogra_>     supervision
[12:44] <ogra_>     - LP: #1218415
[12:44] <mpt> seb128, you can resize any of them temporarily. :-) I've put the About screen onto the wiki page. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AboutThisDevice#Phone>
[12:44] <ogra_> thats the changelog
[12:44] <seb128> mpt, thanks
[12:45] <seb128> mpt, the visual "overwrite" your design?
[12:45] <mpt> seb128, yes, unless otherwise stated
[12:45] <seb128> mpt, wondering because on that one you had the logo centered (which looks better imho, and which is what you did) where the visual has it left aligned
[12:46] <seb128> what we did*
[12:46] <jdstrand> ogra_: ufw is just doing a modprobe there
[12:46] <ogra_> yep, thought so
[12:46] <jdstrand> ogra_: eg, 'modprobe nf_conntrack_ftp'
[12:46] <ogra_> yup
[12:46] <seb128> mpt, please get them to put the ubuntu/vendor centered again, the left aligned version is not as nice looking ;-)
[12:47] <mpt> seb128, I agree ... There was an issue with the superscript Ubuntu logo pushing the "ubuntu" slightly off-center
[12:47] <mpt>  ubuntu
[12:47] <mpt> ubuntu *
[12:47] <mpt>    |
[12:47] <jdstrand> ogra_: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/148794908/linux-maguro_3.0.0-3.16_3.0.0-3.17.diff.gz
[12:48] <pmcgowan> ogra_, thanks for the image diff report, what pulled in cheese and clutter stuff do we know?
[12:48] <jdstrand> ogra_: if looks like linux-maguro-3.0.0/debian.maguro/abi/3.0.0-3.16/armhf/maguro.modules was added
[12:48] <jdstrand> but this is 3.0.0-3.17?
[12:48] <ogra_> pmcgowan, gnome-control-center fallout
[12:49] <pmcgowan> ah
[12:49] <seb128> mpt, right, still looking better than the left aligned version though...
[12:49] <ogra_> jdstrand, yeah, threre seems to be something wrong with the build scripts
[12:49] <seb128> mpt, do you know if somebody is going to provide an asset for the ubuntu circle image btw? we currently use the utf8 char, but that's not colored
[12:49] <jdstrand> ogra_: its neat to see automated testing at work :)
[12:50] <ogra_> yeah
[12:50] <mpt> seb128, I don't deal with artwork, sorry, ask jnick_tait
[12:50] <jdstrand> ogra_: are you filing a bug or shall I?
[12:50] <seb128> mpt, thanks
[12:50] <ogra_> jdstrand, lets wait for rtg ... thats probably quickly fixed
[12:50] <jdstrand> ok
[12:50] <ogra_> (or apw )
[12:51] <OrokuSaki> phablet can play aplay with my msm-audio now if I remove .config/pulse/* with pulse shutdown... so.. now I guess its just time to work on pulse
[12:51] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, are you sure the mediaservice is off ? no audiofilnger etc ?
[12:51] <OrokuSaki> no audioflinger I believe
[12:52] <ogra_> in the new world order i think you shouldnt be able to play anything without pulse
[12:52] <OrokuSaki> I looked for that in logcat.. it no longer starts
[12:52] <ogra_> (diwic might want to correct me here )
[12:52] <diwic> ogra_, well, I guess pulseaudio can initialize the sound card for you, then if you quit pulseaudio the sound card will probably be in a usable state
[12:53] <OrokuSaki> I know pulse works in Ubuntu 13.10 with willcast's rom... Might see what he did to get it working...(nontouch)
[12:53] <ogra_> ah, k
[12:53] <ogra_> nontouch  will probably not help much here
[12:53] <OrokuSaki> =(
[12:53] <ogra_> since pulse talks to the container (or tries to)
[12:53] <OrokuSaki> can I change that?
[12:54] <OrokuSaki> I don't want it talking to the containter
[12:54] <ogra_> err, you surely want
[12:54] <OrokuSaki> I am initializing my sound by mounting webos, and running /usr/bin/audiod
[12:54] <diwic> it only talks to the container on voice calls.
[12:54] <OrokuSaki> k
[12:54] <ogra_> since the container holds the actual sound card driver
[12:54] <ogra_> for calls
[12:55] <OrokuSaki> good info
[12:55] <sergiusens> cyphermox: nmcli and network manager seem to be missbehaving when not wifi connected
[12:56] <ogra_> NM works fine here if i only use the UI
[12:56] <ogra_> i can switch wifi on/off fine and it falls back to 3G
[12:59] <lool> cjwatson: would you think we could upload updated click today?  would like to test the fixed one
[12:59] <lool> cjwatson: thanks for adding more checks in clickpreload.c and calling the full _init() function
[13:02] <sergiusens> cyphermox: here's a paste http://paste.ubuntu.com/6044057/
[13:02] <NYL> does ubuntu touch support vfat file system
[13:02] <NYL> ?
[13:03] <ogra_> sure
[13:03] <OrokuSaki> okay I got it working !!!!
[13:03] <OrokuSaki> woot woot!
[13:03] <ogra_> congrats
[13:03] <OrokuSaki> load-module module-alsa-sink uncomment that in /etc/pulse/default.pa
[13:04] <diwic> OrokuSaki, \o/
[13:04] <OrokuSaki> woot woot!
[13:04] <diwic> OrokuSaki, hum, that's working around things
[13:04] <OrokuSaki> but I can play a wav in musicapp but not mp3? gstreamer?
[13:04] <oSoMoN> fginther: hey, any idea why CI has not run on https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/ubuntu-calendar-app/reduce-newevent-popup-height/+merge/183090 ?
[13:04] <diwic> OrokuSaki, ideally we want module-udev-detect to load the alsa sinks
[13:04] <OrokuSaki> I also have /usr/share/alsa/ucm/msm-audio
[13:05] <OrokuSaki> brought over from... ubuntu non touch
[13:05] <diwic> OrokuSaki, if you load module-alsa-sink those files are not used I believe
[13:05] <fginther> oSoMoN, yes, it appears jenkins is stuck running an earlier job. I'll on stuck it.
[13:05] <OrokuSaki> also mounting webos and running /usr/bin/audiod to init sound
[13:05] <fginther> *unstuck* it
[13:05] <oSoMoN> fginther: thanks!
[13:05] <OrokuSaki> reboot to see if it sticks
[13:07] <cyphermox> sergiusens: it may be a dbus issue... can you tell me what version of dbus you have?
[13:08] <jdstrand> cjwatson: hi!
[13:09] <cyphermox> sergiusens: that's assuming you have upgraded to the latest image
[13:09] <jdstrand> cjwatson: mzanetti and I were just talking about how to enumerate apps from the login/screenlock screen
[13:09] <mzanetti> jdstrand: I don't think I need to enumerate them
[13:10] <jdstrand> cjwatson: we planned for encrypted directories and such, which is why /opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/users/* exists
[13:10] <mzanetti> jdstrand: I have a list of appIDs and need to find icon, displayname etc for them
[13:10] <plars> wow, 2 images already today?
[13:10] <jdstrand> mzanetti: oh, then there should be no problem
[13:10] <mzanetti> jdstrand: I don't really know yet how I find the .desktop file from the appId.
[13:11] <jdstrand> mzanetti: if you have the appid, then you can get the $pkgname like so: $appid.split('_')[0]
[13:11] <mzanetti> perfect
[13:11] <mzanetti> problem solved
[13:11] <jdstrand> mzanetti: then do 'click pkgdir $pkgname'
[13:11] <jdstrand> cjwatson: nm
[13:11] <mzanetti> jdstrand: what's the appId for e.g. the dialer-app?
[13:12] <mzanetti> as currently the applicationmanager still gives me the .desktop file name... but that will be changed to appid
[13:12] <mzanetti> afaik
[13:13] <jdstrand> mzanetti: the dialer app is not currently a click package, so it doesn't have an appid I don't think. maybe unity fakes one up? tedg ^ ?
[13:13] <jdstrand> mzanetti: I would *guess* you might get either, depending on if it is a click package or not. but we need a unity guy to comment
[13:14] <tedg> jdstrand, It gives it the name of the desktop file.  i.e. "inkscape"
[13:14] <mzanetti> tedg: ah, thanks.
[13:14] <mzanetti> jdstrand: and how would a click one look like?
[13:15] <tedg> $(pkg)_$(app)_$(version)
[13:15] <tedg> I think we may need to put a handler in somewhere that can discover the version.
[13:15] <OrokuSaki> Can you guys think of a reason musicplayer can play wav but not mp3? gstreamer?
[13:15] <mzanetti> so the .desktop file would be in /opt/click/$(pkg)/$(app).desktop ?
[13:16] <tedg> Probably in url-dispatcher... but that means it's my job, so somewhere is is fine too :-)
[13:16] <OrokuSaki> permissions are good on mp3
[13:16] <ogra_> jdstrand, oh, its not the kernels fault (teh modprobe issue) ...
[13:16] <tedg> mzanetti, No
[13:16] <ogra_> xnox, can we have an android rebuild to pick up the new maguro kernel ?
[13:16] <tedg> mzanetti, The desktop file will be ~/.local/applications/$(app_id).desktop
[13:16] <tedg> mzanetti, We build it on click package install.
[13:16] <mzanetti> tedg: but I can't access ~ from the greeter :/
[13:16] <OrokuSaki> ogra can you play mp3's?
[13:16] <jdstrand> tedg: if it gives something like "inkscape" for a non-click app, isn't there the potential for a namespace issue if an app in the archive use foo_bar_baz?
[13:17] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, no idea, i dont have any on the phone :) but i think you need gstreamer-codecs-bad for trhat to work
[13:17] <OrokuSaki> thanks!
[13:17] <tedg> mzanetti, Hmm, yeah.  That's going to be tricky.  Do you just need the icon?
[13:17] <cjwatson> lool: Yep, I thought I said I was planning to upload it today.  I wanted to try to make some progress on the multiple-base-directory problem first though, if I can
[13:17] <OrokuSaki> like normal ubuntu
[13:17] <jdstrand> tedg: also, mzanetti may not have access to ~.local/share/applications
[13:18] <mzanetti> tedg: icon and displayname at least. let me check
[13:18] <cjwatson> I just added a package icon to the click 0.4 spec, for seb
[13:18] <jdstrand> tedg: in case the user is logged out/screenlocked and the dir encrypted
[13:18] <tedg> mzanetti, Could we put those in accounts-service?
[13:18] <cjwatson> there isn't a per-app one (at present) but per-package should be enough for the time being I'd have thought
[13:18] <tedg> The reason I'm saying that is that you'll have to get very friendly with click otherwise.  As there can be different directories and such.
[13:18] <mzanetti> tedg: yes. shouldn't be a problem
[13:19] <tedg> cjwatson, The per-app one would be the one in the dekstop file, no?
[13:19] <mzanetti> ok... /me backs away from parsing .desktop files on his own :D
[13:19] <cjwatson> tedg: Yeah, if that isn't too inconvenient a path to trace through
[13:20] <cjwatson> mzanetti: I thought we had libraries for this :)
[13:20] <mzanetti> cjwatson: well yeah. but those would still require to access the .desktop file
[13:20] <tedg> cjwatson, The tricky part for them would be that they can't use the symlink farm.  Because they know the version, but aren't a user with that version installed.
[13:21] <cjwatson> tedg: That's not all that tricky
[13:21] <tedg> cjwatson, How would they find the base path?  I thought that was per-user?
[13:21] <lool> cjwatson: ah sorry might have missed this in the backlog; cool thanks
[13:21] <cjwatson> If they know the version they can look that up ...  I don't recall whether we have a decent interface for that but it wouldn't be hard
[13:22] <cjwatson> tedg: The per-user symlinks are to /opt/click.ubuntu.com/PKG/VER, so it isn't *fundamentally* a per-user operation
[13:22] <cjwatson> It just might not be exposed right now except for manually constructing paths (which of course I don't recommend)
[13:24] <tedg> Yeah, it seems though just getting it from the user's launcher would be easier.
[13:26] <cjwatson> I'll leave that up to you folks
[13:30] <tedg> cjwatson, While we're talking about click :-)  One thing we'd talked about briefly was a way to stop the garbage collector while an app is running.  Have you thought more about that?
[13:31] <cjwatson> Not really.  Any suggestions?
[13:31] <cjwatson> It will indeed probably matter soon since we might actually have a GC :)
[13:32] <tedg> Nothing elegant... I'm curious about doing it as a click hook, so we'd have a hook that would run, check if that version is running and stop there.
[13:32] <tedg> That way on every execution we're not talking to click.
[13:33] <tedg> So I guess if we had a command like "click hold" or something we could use that?
[13:33] <cjwatson> What does the interface for "is this appid running" look like?
[13:33] <tedg> I have a little utility we can reuse.  upstart-app-pid which will check to see if it's running.
[13:34] <cjwatson> Some kind of hook might be possible ... I don't think it really fits the current hook scheme though
[13:34] <OrokuSaki> launcher in unity8 feels a bit slugish when scrolling down to bunch up all the icons together
[13:35] <tedg> cjwatson, To be clear (not sure if this was clear on rereading) I wasn't thinking the hook itself would return a value to block.  More that it would be the point where we'd check.
[13:35] <OrokuSaki> YAY MP3 Working!
[13:35] <OrokuSaki> Still DRE =)
[13:37] <OrokuSaki> Audio turns off when screen turns off.. is that normal?
[13:40] <xnox> ogra_: ack.
[13:40] <OrokuSaki> IS bluetooth working in Ubuntu Touch?? think so right..
[13:46] <ogra_> xnox, thx
[13:49] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, on the low level ... there is no peering UI or anything yet
[13:49] <OrokuSaki> ogra: what does that mean in layman terms?
[13:49] <OrokuSaki> I understand low level.. mostly
[13:49] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, it works from commandline
[13:49] <OrokuSaki> yes
[13:50] <ogra_> no UI for it yet
[13:50] <OrokuSaki> with screen turned off yes
[13:50] <OrokuSaki> well I am 99% sure
[13:50] <ogra_> why would the screen affect bluetooth ?
[13:50] <OrokuSaki> sound... not bluetooth
[13:51] <OrokuSaki> playing an mp3 with the screen turned off
[13:51] <lool> stgraber: question for you from jamie on ubuntu-phone list  :-)
[13:51] <diwic> the system goes to S3 while sound is playing
[13:51] <lool> barry: did you manage to update system-image client for new ids?
[13:51] <diwic> OrokuSaki, that's why sound stops
[13:51] <ogra_> ah, well, that will work once the playback goes through the media sevice that we dont have yet
[13:52] <OrokuSaki> sweet!
[13:52] <barry> lool: still working on it.  i expect it will be done today
[13:52] <OrokuSaki> one less thing for me
[13:52] <ogra_> media apps will have to use that backend which will keep audio alive
[13:52] <OrokuSaki> Does bluetooth settings work?
[13:52] <cjwatson> Anyone have strong opinions on how the list of base directories containing click packages should be configured?  For instance, we might have a directory somewhere under /usr on the system partition where we install Ubuntu core apps, a directory somewhere under /custom on the system partition where a carrier installs their modifications, and /opt/click.ubuntu.com for user-installed apps.
[13:52] <lool> barry: ok; please ping me when it's in so that I test the next image with ltaest code
[13:52] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, as i said above, BT only from cmdline
[13:52] <boiko> sil2100: thanks for fixing the dependencies on dialer-app and messaging-app, I was about to start working on it :)
[13:52] <OrokuSaki> OH!
[13:52] <barry> lool: +1
[13:52] <lool> barry: did you see the bug with lack of progress bar with latest system-image?
[13:52] <OrokuSaki> okay.. I thought you wer talking about sound
[13:52] <OrokuSaki> thanks man!
[13:52] <cjwatson> I don't really want to hardcode a list in click, and I think it needs to be in more than one file so that we don't have file clashes between packages that ship the configuration.
[13:53] <ogra_> :)
[13:53] <lool> barry: whenever you test next, watch out for it; if it's something in the UI code, I can talk to Didier about it Monday I guess
[13:53] <barry> lool: no, but i'm not surprised.  the progress signals won't be enabled until the d/l service integration, since i really only have that information via that api.  but i see the new d/l service with group downloads landed last night, so that'll be the first thing i work on next week
[13:53] <cjwatson> So I was thinking of something like /etc/click/paths/*.cfg where each file contains a list of directory names.
[13:53] <lool> cjwatson: sounds great; something like an /etc/click.d would be great
[13:54] <lool> cjwatson: yeah, seems good
[13:54] <seb128> mpt, there? can you join an hangout?
[13:54] <cjwatson> Then we walk that directory in sorted order and collect the list - we do need it to be ordered
[13:54] <lool> cjwatson: was there discussion at vUDS on how things would work when preinstalled packages are updated?
[13:54] <lool> cjwatson: or how to support / prevent removals of preinstalled packages?
[13:55] <cjwatson> lool: I proposed a solution on an MP and nobody has argued
[13:55] <cjwatson> That counts, right? :)
[13:55] <lool> cjwatson: yeah, I think I saw this one; it's also where you proposed the multiple databases
[13:55] <cjwatson> It's in https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/session-manager-touch/install_clicks/+merge/181568
[13:55] <lool> cjwatson: was just curious whether it was something we would handle in the databases or in each package
[13:55] <lool> cjwatson: I think we want it per package to deliver updates
[13:56] <cjwatson> I'm not sure what you mean there
[13:56] <lool> cjwatson: use case 1, preinstalled package that I can and want to remove
[13:56] <cjwatson> Preinstalled packages would be upgraded via a system image update, and we already know that we're going to need limited post-install hooks there to update apparmor profiles
[13:56] <lool> preinstalled packages get updatead in system updates, it should not get reinstalled
[13:56] <plars> oSoMoN, asac: the webbrowser tests are green again on mako, inprogress on the maguro right now but it looks like there are going to be some failures
[13:56] <lool> use case 2: preinstalled package that may not be removed, but might get updated via appstore (rather than system updates)
[13:57] <oSoMoN> plars: can I have a preview of where the failures are on maguro?
[13:57] <lool> cjwatson: we might preinstall stuff that gets updated from appstore afterwards
[13:57] <cjwatson> lool: My proposed solution absolutely deals with use case 2
[13:57] <cjwatson> I will need to think about whether it can deal with use case 1
[13:57] <OrokuSaki> found my wife's iphone! Scanning ... 	10:40:F3:44:61:1E	iPhone
[13:57] <ogra_> asac, i'll do another build once android has landed in the archive, that will fix the broken security test
[13:58] <lool> dholbach: ^ above discussion on multiple click databases -- in case I missed important cases...
[13:58] <lool> cjwatson: thanks
[13:58] <asac> ogra_: sure. thats the way we want to do it
[13:58] <asac> one build for each shot :)
[13:58] <cjwatson> For 2, that would work by the preinstalled one being /usr/whatever/pkg/ver and the appstore one being /opt/click.ubuntu.com/pkg/ver; click will know about the priority order of those and will cause later ones to "shadow" earlier ones
[13:58] <lool> cjwatson: I think having multiple databases will be much cleaner rather than trying to figure out whether to install in /opt/click.u.c or not
[13:58] <asac> oSoMoN: thanks for fixing webbrowser!
[13:58] <ogra_> well, we should group them a bit ... but thats a bad one so i thought it validates a new build
[13:58] <asac> plars: how about the other app regressions?
[13:59] <cjwatson> lool: Right, that was essentially my argument too
[13:59] <asac> plars: did that also get better? otherwise oSoMoN might already have some goodness to cure that
[14:00] <ogra_> filemanager improved a bit
[14:00] <ogra_> music app degraded
[14:00] <lool> cjwatson: adding extra frameworks + hooks directory might be good too for /custom
[14:00] <dholbach> lool, thanks
[14:00] <OrokuSaki> Anyone know what I could do about my backlight being /sys/class/leds/lcd_backlight?
[14:00] <OrokuSaki> its class is leds
[14:00] <lool> cjwatson: that is, click /etc config would list an optional /custom/ hook dir and frameworks dir
[14:00] <lool> not sure about frameworks
[14:00] <OrokuSaki> Otherwise, I am done
[14:01] <cjwatson> lool: Possibly.  That suggests that we want one base path per config file, and to have it in a configparser format or similar so that it's extensible
[14:01] <sergiusens> cjwatson: fwiw I agree with your long term solution
[14:02] <lool> cjwatson: yeah good idea
[14:02] <plars> oSoMoN: looks like there were 11 failures on maguro, still better than what we had before
[14:02] <stgraber> lool, jdstrand: sorry, only subscribed to the ML now (was reading on LP before that). So the answer is that the files are still used from userdata, it's just that everything else also happens to be writable.
[14:02] <cjwatson> lool: The preinstalled-but-removable case is a little tricky and I need to think out how it interacts with the user registration thing
[14:02] <lool> stgraber: will pass that back to the mailing-list
[14:02] <cjwatson> lool: (cf. the all-users bit in https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/session-manager-touch/install_clicks/+merge/181568/comments/413095)
[14:02] <plars> oSoMoN: It *just* finished, I can pastebin the console log, or if you wait for about 15 min it should show up on the dashboard
[14:02] <oSoMoN> plars: can you please pastebin the log so I start looking asap?
[14:02] <plars> oSoMoN: will do
[14:02] <oSoMoN> thx
[14:03] <cjwatson> sergiusens: phew.  probably not so long-term, I need to get this done soonish since one meeeellion work items
[14:03] <tedg> ogra_, Those image diffs are cool, thanks for posting them!
[14:03] <ogra_> welcome :)
[14:04] <cjwatson> sergiusens: sorry I hadn't really properly communicated my overarching plan for this before though - I forget sometimes what is in my head and what written down
[14:05] <plars> oSoMoN: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6044254/
[14:05] <sergiusens> cjwatson: no problem
[14:06] <plars> asac: things are still running, will let you know when I get further
[14:06] <sergiusens> we can put this on the agenda for wednesday perhaps
[14:07] <kenvandine> gusch_ https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/single_instance/+merge/183182
[14:07] <lool> cjwatson: right, also removals will be tricky with multiple databases
[14:08] <lool> cjwatson: also thinking we will want a manifest flag saying that a package can't be removed, but that's not high priority
[14:08] <gusch_> kenvandine: ok
[14:09] <plars> jdstrand: this was on the earlier image from this morning, but security tests seem to be failing now. They haven't run yet on the .1 image: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/saucy-touch-maguro-smoke-security/93/console
[14:11] <cjwatson> lool: I don't think that makes sense - it may be removable or not depending on context.  I think that should be implemented by installing it in a different location
[14:11] <cjwatson> lool: The same package might be nonremovable when preinstalled but also delivered in the appstore, and the app author shouldn't have to build it twice for those two modes
[14:12] <cjwatson> lool: Now, I agree that the UI needs a way to tell whether a package is removable
[14:12] <lool> cjwatson: right, if we don't have the flag then we need to be able to tell whether it's from a read-write db or not
[14:12] <cjwatson> lool: So perhaps it should be synthetically added to the output of "click list --manifest", rather than actually being in the manifest
[14:12] <lool> cjwatson: I guess it's ok to "revert to factory version of package" or something
[14:12] <cjwatson> lool: Or indeed perhaps it should be a property of the base directory in question and have a way to do that
[14:13] <cjwatson> lool: That's basically a removal of a shadowing version
[14:13] <lool> yeah
[14:13] <lool> makes sense
[14:13] <cjwatson> Indeed exactly that
[14:13] <balloons> nik90, did you see my response to your issue?
[14:16] <jdstrand> plars: ogra_ is coordinating a fix for that
[14:17] <jdstrand> plars: (see backscroll)
[14:17] <ogra_> plars, new kernel but no android rebuild ... there will be a 30.2 after the android package has built
[14:17] <plars> jdstrand: ack, thanks
[14:18] <plars> ogra_: ok
[14:19] <stgraber> barry: so how are we doing with system-image-cli?
[14:21] <barry> lool: i cheat :)  i could probably make a similar hack work for -dbus but i'd much rather spend the time getting the d/l service integrated and doing it right
[14:22] <plars> asac: notes app had a single failure on the 20130830 on mako (http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3847/notes-app-autopilot/320825/) , but not on 30.1.
[14:22] <lool> stgraber: 15:52 < barry> lool: still working on it.  i expect it will be done today
[14:23] <plars> oSoMoN: so there were uitk changes that required fixes in the apps from what I gather?
[14:23] <lool> barry: progress signals >> ok; I guess it's ok as a known bug until we have download service indeed
[14:23] <lool> barry: no pressure  :-)
[14:23] <lool> barry: but land it soon  :-)
[14:23] <lool> barry: no pressure  :-)
[14:24] <barry> lool: :)
[14:24] <lool> pingpingping
[14:24]  * barry reaches for the whiskey
[14:24] <asac> plars: so thats good news it seems
[14:24] <asac> plars: well the sdk busted the tests two days ago, yes
[14:24] <asac> plars: hence i asked daily-release team to reenable all the autopilot tests for the sdk gate
[14:25] <asac> and not let stuff through without talking to us first :)
[14:25] <plars> asac: yes, I saw that
[14:25] <plars> asac: I'm just wondering if there's some way to tell what was broken by that, and what was unrelated
[14:25] <asac> so now we have to firedrill ... in future we wont :)
[14:25] <asac> plars: hard to say without backing stuff out
[14:25] <asac> i currently blame them for everything :)
[14:26] <asac> plars: yesterday oSoMoN landet a patch which he blieved might fix all
[14:26] <asac> but it wasnt doing that :)
[14:27] <plars> asac: right, the uitk-emulators one?
[14:27] <pmcgowan> plars, yes
[14:28] <sil2100> gusch_: hello!
[14:28] <pmcgowan> plars, oSoMoN relayed to me that it was faulty assumptions in the tests that are rectified by using the emulators from the toolkit
[14:28] <sil2100> gusch_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gallery-app/+bug/1218953 <- this I noticed during this run
[14:28] <plars> oSoMoN: was that pastebin useful? if you want to see it on the dashboard, it's here: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3855/webbrowser-app-autopilot/
[14:28] <oSoMoN> plars: sorry I’m in a meeting, haven’t had time to inspect the logs yet
[14:28] <sil2100> gusch_: can you check if that's a bad/flacky AP test, or maybe some real problem?
[14:29] <plars> oSoMoN: ok, the link I just gave has the same data, and more
[14:29] <gusch_> sil2100: ok - I'll have a look
[14:29] <sil2100> gusch_: thanks
[14:29] <plars> oSoMoN: it's not collected automagically yet, but I was also able to snag .cache/upstart dir during the run, if you think that will be helpful
[14:30] <oSoMoN> plars: looks very suspicious that all the failed tests are the last 11 tests, I’m suspecting that something on the system broke while or before running test_tabs.TestTabs.test_close_last_open_tab, and then all the other tests failed because of the state of the system
[14:31] <oSoMoN> plars: can we do a re-run of only the webbrowser-app tests on maguro?
[14:31] <pmcgowan> plars, why is the dashboard data not in sync with that on the backing pages for each device?
[14:31] <plars> oSoMoN: absolutely
[14:31] <plars> pmcgowan: what do you mean?
[14:32] <pmcgowan> plars, dashbaord says maguro 99 of 110 and click through and it says 72 of 72
[14:32] <pmcgowan> er 97 of 97 actually
[14:32] <pmcgowan> and mako says 148, then click through it says 156
[14:33] <pmcgowan> nothing matches for me
[14:33] <plars> pmcgowan: cached?
[14:33] <cjohnston> pmcgowan: the tests are still running, so you may be loading the pages between updates
[14:33] <pmcgowan> plars, I refreshed the db and it changed
[14:33] <pmcgowan> cjohnston, right
[14:33] <pmcgowan> nm
[14:40] <cwayne> boiko, hey, feel free to let me know if you need anything tested for that ringtone bug :)
[14:44] <mhall119> Wellark: ping
[14:45] <mpt> seb128, sorry, I was in a meeting. Back now.
[14:46] <seb128> mpt, no worry, we were discussing osk settings and had some design questions
[14:46] <seb128> mpt, that's ok, bfiller said he would schedule a followup meeting to discuss the design questions
[14:47]  * rsalveti waves
[14:51] <rsalveti> cyphermox: do you still need some help with review?
[14:52] <bfiller> cwayne: looks like boiko_ did an MR, you can test the deb from here https://code.launchpad.net/~boiko/telephony-service/fix_ringtone_updating/+merge/183044/comments/415062
[14:52] <bfiller> mpt: yes will schedule something for next week with you and rachelliu and myself to talk about it more
[14:52] <rsalveti> flashing latest to check the nm state
[14:53] <cwayne> bfiller, tried that last night, no dice
[14:54] <bfiller> rsalveti: btw, volume keys don't seem to work still on maguro, they were working on the pulse build but aren't now
[14:54] <bfiller> cwayne:  oh bummer
[14:54] <boiko_> cwayne: did you restart the phone after installing the new deb?
[14:55] <rsalveti> bfiller: interesting, will check
[14:58] <cwayne> boiko_, ywo
[14:58] <cwayne> yep*
[14:58] <cwayne> i can retry with today's image too
[15:01] <dholbach> ralsina, alecu: did you see 1218674?
[15:02] <dholbach> (and the patch for it)
[15:03] <plars> oSoMoN: same story on the rerun, still 11 failures
[15:03] <boiko_> cwayne: hmm, that's weird, I tried that and it worked on my device, let me give it another go
[15:03] <oSoMoN> plars: mmm that’s weird, I’ll have a closer look
[15:06] <mpt> seb128, bfiller: Sorry, to talk about what?
[15:06] <seb128> mpt, spell checking was one topic
[15:07] <seb128> mpt, e.g how that would work, especially in conjunction with the keyboard layout
[15:08] <seb128> mpt, they also mentioned that "auto punctation" was something "design didn't want" when they previously discussed the topic (I think)
[15:09] <seb128> mpt, and some of the items might not be done on the osk side by 13.10, which means we might need to drop some features from the design
[15:10] <alecu> dholbach: yes, I saw that bug. I wonder how it ever installed, though :-/
[15:11] <dholbach> alecu, so I tested with lool's patch and it worked again for me
[15:11] <hramrach> hello
[15:11] <hramrach> what recovery do I need for installing Ubuntu touch?
[15:12] <ogra_> hramrach, perferably indeed the ubuntu one, but CWM or TWRP should work too
[15:12] <hramrach> I flashed the Ubuntu recovery and I get some video test patteron on screen and no adb conenction
[15:14] <beuno> cjwatson, jdstrand, slangasek, lool, bzoltan, ralsina, alecu, dholbach, dpm, mhall119, sergiusens, rickspencer3, asac, we are live with the click appstore: http://developer.ubuntu.com/2013/08/software-store-for-click-packages-now-open-for-testing/
[15:14] <sergiusens> \o/
[15:15] <hramrach> I will try CW then
[15:15] <ogra_> yay
[15:15] <ogra_> hramrach, what device is that ?
[15:15] <hramrach> NI Adam
[15:15] <dholbach> yeeeeehaw
[15:15] <dholbach> champagne!
[15:15] <dpm> \o/
[15:15] <beuno> and on a Friday, so nothing can wrong, right?
[15:15] <dholbach> thanks a bunch everyone for your hard work
[15:15] <asac> beuno: niceynicey
[15:15] <dholbach> you all are heroes!
[15:15] <asac> very good friday wrap up
[15:15] <hramrach> another store /o\
[15:15] <ogra_> hramrach, self ported ?
[15:15] <asac> many kudos to everyone involved :)
[15:16] <alecu> beuno: awesome, I'm about to upload my first app
[15:16] <lool> beuno: \o/
[15:16] <hramrach> ogra_: used Borkata's port. the CM boots but did not try any recovery based off that
[15:16] <ogra_> ah, k
[15:17] <hramrach> and only booted the Android so far. I have no idea how to put together something with Ubuntu
[15:17] <hramrach> the porting guide is sooo not helpful
[15:17] <ogra_> help us improve it then :)
[15:17] <OrokuSaki> anyway I can speed up the boot time?
[15:17] <OrokuSaki> besides the sleep 60 I am using
[15:18] <ogra_> we'll do some serious boot stuff once Mir is in
[15:18] <ogra_> currently its not really worth the work
[15:18] <hramrach> I can only if I get somethinng working. Plus I definitely need that 'deprecated' part so the guide is like departing in a useless direction already
[15:18] <ralsina> beuno: awesome!
[15:18] <OrokuSaki> IF my backlight turns off when powerd is running, then I guess that is working.. but what about adjusting brightness? Is that working inside of ubuntu-touch-session?
[15:18] <OrokuSaki> for make and supported devices?
[15:18] <OrokuSaki> mako
[15:19] <OrokuSaki> slow today. =)
[15:19] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, from the battery indicator slider it works, yes
[15:19] <OrokuSaki> oh
[15:19] <ogra_> no auto brightness yet
[15:19] <sforshee> the MR is there for autobrightness, just waiting to be approved
[15:20] <ogra_> yeah
[15:20] <OrokuSaki> hmm my slider for brightness must be missing
[15:20] <OrokuSaki> it is not in battery...
[15:20] <OrokuSaki> do you guys think brightness will work if I have /sys/class/leds/lcd_backlight ?
[15:20] <ogra_> might be an issue with your device naming
[15:20] <ogra_> sforshee, ^^^
[15:21] <slangasek> beuno: congrats!
[15:21] <sforshee> OrokuSaki: right now everything expects backlights to be using the kernel backlight class
[15:22] <OrokuSaki> is there a future for kernel led class? =)
[15:22] <OrokuSaki> for brightness?
[15:22] <OrokuSaki> Or a way to request it or etc?
[15:23] <jibel> sil2100, about the intel box, which kernel is on the host and in the container?
[15:23] <jibel> sorry, wrong channel
[15:23] <diwic> rsalveti, UCM files for Nexus 10: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~diwic/pulseaudio/audio-mixer-touch/files/head:/ucm/Manta-I2S/
[15:23] <diwic> rsalveti, I have a fix pending for Nexus 7 too...a stupid typo
[15:24] <sforshee> OrokuSaki: I haven't investigated it. For it to work there would need to be a reilaible way to determine whether the led device was a backlight or something else.
[15:24] <rsalveti> diwic: great, thanks
[15:24] <rsalveti> sergiusens: want to give this a go ^??
[15:24] <rsalveti> s/??/?/
[15:24] <sforshee> OrokuSaki: but why not use the backlight class?
[15:24] <sergiusens> rsalveti: yeah, where was I supposed to drop these again?
[15:24] <diwic> sergiusens, /usr/share/alsa/ucm
[15:33] <hramrach> does cwmrecovey 6 suffice?
[15:33] <hramrach> that's the latest I found
[15:35] <cwayne> I
[15:35] <cwayne> 'm a little confused on the difference betweem cdimage-touch and ubuntu-system
[15:35] <cwayne> anyone have any insight on that?
[15:36] <ogra_> cwayne, cdimage-touch is the standard flipped image
[15:36] <ogra_> ubuntu-system is the readonly self updating image
[15:36] <ogra_> the latter will be our default image on nexus soon
[15:36] <NYL> i don´t any kernel image :(
[15:37] <cwayne> ogra_, ah, thanks.  any idea why there's no --pending flag for ubuntu-system?
[15:38] <ogra_> cwayne, that i defer to someone who knows more about that topic ... like lool or stgraber :)
[15:38] <ogra_> (i actually thought there was some kind of proposed channel now)
[15:38] <sergiusens> cwayne: there's channels instead
[15:38] <sergiusens> cwayne: --channel daily-proposed
[15:38] <sergiusens> cwayne: http://system-image.ubuntu.com/channels.json
[15:39] <sergiusens> ogra_: there is, it's the daily-proposed channel :_)
[15:39] <ogra_> :)
[15:40] <NYL> can someone please help me get this right :D http://pastebin.com/RnvjqMBx
[15:41] <ogra_> NYL, just make sure your makefiles dont try to build *anything* with "APPS" in the path
[15:42] <ogra_> thats all java stuff
[15:42] <ogra_> which you dont want to have
[15:42] <sergiusens> rsalveti: after copying in the profile, rebooting, checking volume control, paplay produces no audio output and 'Failed to drain stream: Timeout'
[15:43] <rsalveti> right, then the ucm files would still need to be adjusted =\
[15:43] <ogra_> yeah
[15:43] <rsalveti> let's follow this with diwic on monday, thanks for testing though
[15:43] <sergiusens> rsalveti: yeah, wanted to ping him, but it seems he's already in beervana flip flop out in the sun mode :-P
[15:44] <rsalveti> :D
[15:44] <beuno> jdstrand, ping
[15:44] <plars> sforshee: question, when I see things like 'Aug 30 14:52:40 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [ 1363.960571] throttle_delayed_work_fn: OMAP temp read 67800 exceeds the threshold' does that temp correspond with something obvious like 67.8 C?
[15:45] <NYL> ogra_, target_build_apps
[15:45] <sforshee> plars: probably, but I'd have to check the source to be absolutely certain
[15:46] <sforshee> plars: but android uses 68 degrees C as it's thermal shutdown value by default, and that number is very close
[15:46] <ogra_> plars, i wouldnt want to touch the phone if thats C ... :)
[15:46] <plars> sforshee: I was just concerned that we are awfully close to 68 if that's the case - that was just during a autopilot run of the webbrowser tests
[15:46] <plars> ogra_: how do you think I cook my eggs in the morning? :)
[15:46] <ogra_> lol
[15:47]  * plars throws another slab of bacon on the maguro
[15:47] <sforshee> plars: so I wrote code for powerd to do thermal shutdown, but I discovered this morning that the MR never got approved
[15:47] <sforshee> plars: rsalveti is going to help get it merged today
[15:47] <sforshee> we'll be using the same values that android uses
[15:48]  * ogra_ hands plars some http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSReSGe200A
[15:48] <plars> sforshee: so if it really is getting that hot, this could be a problem (problem that it's getting so hot that is)
[15:49] <sforshee> plars: yeah, if it happens then there's a problem which needs to be fixed
[15:50] <sforshee> plars: which device is that, maguro?
[15:50] <plars> sforshee: yes
[15:51] <plars> rfowler: that thing's not melting the holder you have it sitting in is it? :)
[15:52] <oSoMoN> plars: I don’t know what’s going on with the webbrowser-app tests on maguro, I just ran them on my galaxy nexus here, and they all pass
[15:52] <rsalveti> can we get any sort of trace information to know what is happening in the device?
[15:52] <rsalveti> just to see if we have any process going wild
[15:52] <sforshee> plars: so yeah, that would be 67.8 degrees C
[15:52] <ogra_> rsalveti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6039695/
[15:53] <rsalveti> ogra_: right, but I'm interested in the results of that :-)
[15:53] <ogra_> we dont have such a test yet ...
[15:53] <sforshee> plars: but it appears that driver doesn't force thermal shutdown until 110 degrees!
[15:54] <ogra_> but there is a discussion going on in the foundations team about adding something like that to whoopsie
[15:54] <rickspencer3> beuno, congrats
[15:54] <ogra_> so you should be able to pull that info from the cache in  the future
[15:54] <ev> for the record, I don't care where it lives. slangasek suggested whoopsie because it's already long-running and handling the created reports
[15:54] <Ursinha> ogra_, ping
[15:55] <ogra_> Ursinha, hey
[15:55] <ev> but I see no reason why another process couldn't pick up the work, provided it creates an apport report at the end (or signals to apport to create one)
[15:55] <Ursinha> ogra_, hey :) see ubuntu-touch mailing list and please don't hate me :)
[15:57] <ogra_> .me hugs Ursinha ... why should i hate you ... never ever ! ...
[15:57] <Ursinha> because you wrote a script that was already written... communication #fail
[15:57] <ogra_> Ursinha, i actually wanted such a feature to end up in cdimage ... but i was to lazy to implement it in python :)
[15:57] <Ursinha> hehe, there it is then :)
[15:57] <ogra_> i wrote that script initially years ago
[15:58] <ogra_> just dug it up again recently
[15:58] <ogra_> and it runs on my desktop ... not really production safe to rely on it with anything
[15:58] <plars> asac: calculator and music app still failing for sure
[15:58] <Wellark> mhall119: pong
[15:58] <plars> asac: I men calendar
[15:58] <plars> *mean
[15:58] <mpt> seb128, ah, that mysterious "design" again. ;-) AFAIK, the only designers who ever looked at that were rachelliu and me.
[15:58] <Ursinha> ogra_, I helped rsalveti writing one to fetch the changelogs from the PPA, but now that you're using cdimage it's better to have it integrated and why not to every ubuntu image :)
[15:59] <Ursinha> ogra_, hahah I can relate :)
[15:59] <ogra_> Ursinha, added and removed packages in your report would be important
[15:59] <seb128> mpt, I think they said they talked to rachelliu
[15:59] <Ursinha> ogra_, that result doesn't show because there was none
[15:59] <ogra_> ah, k
[15:59] <Ursinha> as you can see in yours: http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/20130830.changes
[15:59] <ogra_> well, perfect then
[15:59] <Ursinha> but it shows added and removed as well
[15:59] <Ursinha> but I show the source packages
[15:59] <plars> and filemanager
[16:00] <seb128> mpt, to check with bfiller
[16:00] <Ursinha> ogra_, do you want me to set it up for you?
[16:00] <ogra_> yeah, i only diff between the manifest files ...
[16:00]  * rsalveti likes http://changelogs.ubuntu.com
[16:00] <Ursinha> rsalveti, that's what it uses to fetches the changelogs
[16:00] <ogra_> Ursinha, in cdimage ?
[16:00] <Ursinha> ogra_, not in cdimage yet
[16:00] <Ursinha> but I have the branch here, it's easy to do so
[16:00] <Ursinha> well, you can have it to lol
[16:01] <ogra_> well, we should get it into cdimage so the log gets spit out together with the image
[16:01] <mhall119> Wellark: to use the new Actions API for the HUD, I just put a list of Actions against the 'actions' property of the Page?
[16:01] <rsalveti> Ursinha: what is blocking that?
[16:01] <rsalveti> Ursinha: have the branch so I can take a look?
[16:01] <rsalveti> the mr I mena
[16:01] <rsalveti> *mean
[16:01] <Ursinha> rsalveti, ogra_, I'm waiting on two things for that to be integrated: the branch review and the binary->source linking in changelogs.ubuntu.com
[16:01] <gtgru6761> hello :)
[16:02] <Ursinha> rsalveti, sure
[16:02] <Ursinha> ogra_, I'm offering you to run something similar to what you have now while it's not integrated :)
[16:02] <Ursinha> because it will hopefully will soon
[16:02] <Ursinha> s/will//
[16:03] <Wellark> mhall119: yes, if you are using MainView, then yes
[16:03] <ogra_> right, it would be helpful to have something running on a more reliable source than my desktop
[16:03] <Wellark> mhall119: UITK documentation should contain examples
[16:03] <Ursinha> ogra_, I can run it on another machine, I have other scripts doing so
[16:03] <ogra_> if my DSL goes down we have no reports ... my solution is definitely not production safe
[16:04] <Ursinha> ogra_, definitely not running it locally hehe
[16:04] <ogra_> and lool would like to use the info which means it needs to be more reliable
[16:04] <OrokuSaki> @sforshee.. I could give it a try.. I suppose
[16:04] <mhall119> Wellark: I don't see any examples of it being used to populate the HUD
[16:04] <mhall119> only some text indicating that it can
[16:04] <ogra_> Ursinha, so can you set it up to run automatically every time a new image shows up ?
[16:05] <Ursinha> ogra_, that can be done :)
[16:05] <ogra_> or actually have ricardo apply the merge :)
[16:05] <rsalveti> :-)
[16:05] <Wellark> mhall119: ah,ok.
[16:05] <Wellark> our documentation is lacking then
[16:05] <Wellark> mhall119: so, basically, just create your actions
[16:05] <Wellark> either under MainView or Page
[16:06] <Wellark> give the actions an QML id
[16:06] <Ursinha> ogra_, I'd like cjwatson or stgraber to review that branch, as they're familiar with the codebase... but if they don't oppose having someone else reviewing, they know it better :)
[16:06] <Wellark> and then the actions properly with those id's
[16:06] <cjwatson> It's still on my to-do list, sorry
[16:06] <cjwatson> but I would like somebody who's written a good deal of cdimage python code to review it so that it fits in well
[16:06] <NYL> ogra_ do i need to remove any addon i find in manifest.xml?
[16:07] <mhall119> Wellark: could we get that added as an example on the 'actions' property of both Page and MainView?
[16:07] <Wellark> timp: ^
[16:07] <ogra_> NYL, no idea, but you need to make sure your build doesnt try to build any dalvik/android apps
[16:07] <X-c0d3> hi all
[16:08] <Wellark> mhall119: if timp has EOD'ed already, could you file a bug against uitk?
[16:08] <Wellark> so this does not get burried
[16:09] <Ursinha> cjwatson, I'm fine with that, I just wrote a few changes to my initial branch so nice thing it wasn't reviewed yet :)
[16:10] <NYL> ogra_, PRODUCT_PACKAGES += \ CrespoParts
[16:10] <NYL> seems to be one of them
[16:10] <rsalveti> wonder if there's anyone else besides cjwatson that knows that much of cdimage :-)
[16:11] <timp> mhall119: as Wellark says, basically it is just providing a list of actions to MainView or Page.
[16:11] <timp> mhall119: I can add examples to the docs, but please create a bug to that in the ubuntu-ui-toolkit project and assign me so I don't forget
[16:11] <sforshee> OrokuSaki: looking at the led class interfaces, I don't see anything there that would allow userspace to reliably determine whether an led was intended to be used for screen backlight or something else
[16:11] <Wellark> timp: thanks!
[16:11]  * rsalveti lunch
[16:12] <Bazwaldo> hey does anyone know is I can install ubuntu mobile version on my lenovo table or just the nexus
[16:13] <hramrach> which table?
[16:13] <Bazwaldo> A2109a
[16:13] <cjwatson> rsalveti: several other people have a pretty good idea at this point I think
[16:14] <ogra_> rsalveti, stgraber for sure ...
[16:14] <rsalveti> yeah, indeed
[16:14] <Bazwaldo> lol tablet
[16:14] <NYL> ogra_, time to brunch this girl and see :p
[16:14] <Bazwaldo> fuck im slow
[16:15] <ogra_> rsalveti, adn infinity might also be a candidate
[16:16] <hramrach> hmm, that lenovo thingy does not seem well supported
[16:17] <popey> yeah, shame
[16:17] <rfowler> plars: nope not melting
[16:18] <Oviiii> Hello again : =)
[16:19] <Oviiii> Hey ogra_ , I had a good news
[16:19] <Oviiii> My SGS2 is now on Download mode !
[16:19] <Oviiii> BBut it seems no recovery Oo'
[16:19] <ogra_> just grab a CWm one
[16:19] <Oviiii> with ODIN ?
[16:20] <ogra_> yeah, you shoould be able to flash the recovery partition with a CWM recovery img
[16:20] <ogra_> once you have that you should be able to just flash zips
[16:20] <Oviiii> hmmm yap'. I'll try.
[16:20] <Oviiii> Odin is not working on Nux Os I guess
[16:21] <Oviiii> I'm starting ly Win.
[16:21] <ogra_> there is heimdall
[16:21] <Oviiii> I'm trying ;)
[16:21] <ogra_> heimdall-flash is the package ... its in ubuntu
[16:22] <ogra_> in case you use an ubuntu desktop indeed :)
[16:22] <Oviiii> Xubuntu, so yes x)
[16:22] <Oviiii> I should read the doc before haha
[16:22] <NYL> ogra_, http://pastebin.com/qv0qUkbD
[16:24] <ogra_> NYL, line 114 ...
[16:24] <ogra_> NYL, another thing that uses "apps"
[16:26] <alecu> is there a way to take a screenshot of an app running on the phone?
[16:27] <sergiusens> alecu: /system/bin/screencap
[16:27] <sergiusens> alecu: you have until mir comes along ;-)
[16:27] <alecu> sergiusens: awesome, thanks!
[16:27] <alecu> :-)
[16:27] <sergiusens> alecu: adb shell /system/bin/screencap /tmp/mycap.png; adb pull /tmp/mycap.png .
[16:27] <doanac`> plars, asac, cjohnston: here's what the view now looks like with the upstart logs: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3855/ubuntu-filemanager-app-autopilot/
[16:28] <doanac`> not super-great, but not too bad
[16:28] <cjohnston> I think it works for now
[16:28] <jdstrand> beuno: re appstore> nice!
[16:28] <jdstrand> beuno: pong
[16:28] <beuno> jdstrand, hey
[16:29] <beuno> jdstrand, want to do a seurity review?
[16:29] <jdstrand> sure
[16:29] <beuno> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/9/review/
[16:29] <beuno> jdstrand, ^
[16:29] <Oviiii> ogra_: CWM Done, but even with Power+UpButton press, no recovery appears Oo
[16:29] <Oviiii> Maybe I must repush a stock rom, and push cyanogenmod again...
[16:29] <jdstrand> beuno: if it passes my review, should I 'Approve'?
[16:30] <beuno> jdstrand, leave it to me
[16:30] <beuno> thanks
[16:31] <plars> doanac`: starting to get a bit busy
[16:31] <Oviiii> ogra_:  CMW OK 8D
[16:31] <plars> doanac`: but I think it's fine for now, just something to think about before we go adding a whole lot more stuff
[16:31] <Oviiii> now, just flash the zip. Yeah
[16:33] <cjohnston> plars: ya.. we will need a new solution when time exists
[16:33] <cjohnston> doanac`: could you file a bug for that please
[16:33] <doanac`> sure
[16:33] <jdstrand> beuno: so, there are things that I would reject if I were doing the full review. shall I add a comment and let you do the rest?
[16:34] <Noize> I have stock rom file, I need to flash to stock prior to putting ubuntu touch on, what cmds am I missing?
[16:34] <Noize> (already backed up)
[16:34] <plars> balloons: did you see the weather and terminal app failures? is that also due to the uitk stuff?
[16:39] <beuno> jdstrand, that sounds great
[16:40] <jdstrand> beuno: hmm, I tried to add a comment and then did 'Needs information' (or whatever the button was), and now I don't see the comment
[16:41] <jdstrand> I picked that button because the other two were Approve and Reject
[16:41] <jdstrand> oh there it is
[16:41] <jdstrand> 'Feedback'
[16:41] <jdstrand> beuno: ^
[16:43]  * beuno nods
[16:43] <NYL> ogra_, seem to build now :D
[16:43] <Oviiii> ogra_:  It copying ;)
[16:45] <NYL> a lot of warnings
[16:46] <mhall119> timp: Wellark: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1219011
[16:49] <balloons> plars, yea, there is archive unrest..
[16:49] <balloons> i didn't see new failures, i saw the reruns taking place
[16:49]  * balloons goes to look
[16:51] <NYL> so i flash the preinstalled image 1st and then the kernel image that i built?
[16:57] <Oviiii> ogra_:  still here ?
[16:58] <Oviiii> My god, UbuntuTouch is rezlly buggy on SGS2 O.O
[16:59] <sergiusens> lool: stgraber have you covered this? PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/crash/...'
[16:59] <lool> barry: it's getting short to get system-image in the next image build!
[17:00] <barry> lool: it's fix committed to trunk.  i'm building a package locally to test.  i can make the .debs available to you when that's done so you can test it too.  if it looks good, then i'll upload
[17:00] <lool> sergiusens, stgraber: That's a good one; I personally vote that we make this a temporary dir until we have whoopsie on the devices
[17:00] <ev> we have whoopsie on the devices
[17:01] <lool> ev: ah cool
[17:01] <lool> ev: so how / when does it run?
[17:01] <ev> lool: all the time
[17:01] <lool> ev: on a mobile device, we want to avoid any large / accumulated reports, so I'd rather keep it in tmpfs if that's ok
[17:01] <lool> ev: that is, trashed on reboot
[17:01] <ev> err that could be problematic
[17:02] <ev> could we just be aggressive in deleting them when done?
[17:02] <lool> ev: that's fine with me; do you check for wifi vs. 3g before uplodaing them?
[17:02] <ev> yes
[17:02] <ev> wifi only
[17:02] <lool> cool
[17:02] <ev> using network-manager's api
[17:03] <lool> ev: FYI OS updates will use the download service provided API for this, but not sure it's a good fit for whoopsie, might be worth influencing it if it's worth it
[17:03] <NYL> another compilation error
[17:03] <ev> gotta run
[17:03] <NYL> http://pastebin.com/uqtP0UG4
[17:03] <ev> lool: yes, probably
[17:03] <ev> thanks for letting me know
[17:03] <ev> I'll look into it
[17:03] <barry> lool: http://barry.warsaw.us/debian/system-image-{cli,common,dbus,dev}_1.4-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[17:04] <lool> ev: so the only risks I can think of are: a) phones never connected to wifi, crashes accumulating, we need to delete them  b) backwards/fowards compat: once we bind mount it, we have to support the crash format going forward (at least enough to remove them)
[17:04] <lool> ev: this seems reasonnable enough for now
[17:04] <lool> barry: Sorry, didn't have time to reply to your offer: I need to reflash anyway; if they pass your testing + testsuite, I'm happy to test them from the image
[17:05] <barry> lool: cool
[17:07] <barry> stgraber: ^^ if you want to test it before upload
[17:13] <stgraber> barry: did you confirm that the new version works with the old and new numbering scheme? if so, I'm fine with them being uploaded
[17:13] <barry> stgraber: i'm doing some live testing on the device right now.  testing new numbers now, then i'll test old ones.  if both pass, i'll upload
[17:13] <stgraber> barry: (basically flash an old version from daily, mount / r/w, get the new system-image-cli, test an upgrade. If that works, then change the channel to daily-barry and force an update with -b 0, if that works, upload)
[17:14] <stgraber> barry: I'm busy with some LXC work at the moment (and lunch) but I can make the time to do those two tests in a couple of hours if you can't easily do that yourself
[17:14] <barry> stgraber: i'll do them
[17:18] <barry> stgraber, lool: `system-image-cli -b 0 -c daily-barry --filter=full -v`
[17:18] <barry> stgraber: lool after reboot:
[17:18] <barry> # system-image-cli --info
[17:18] <barry>  
[17:18] <barry> current build number: 2
[17:18] <barry> device name: grouper
[17:18] <barry> channel: daily-barry
[17:18] <barry>  
[17:18] <barry> (and re-installing s-i 1.4
[17:18] <barry> )
[17:19] <stgraber> nice
[17:19] <barry> yep.  now i'm going to reflash to -2 on the daily channel and see if i can upgrade to the old version numbers
[17:25] <lool> barry: woot!
[17:26] <lool> stgraber: can we import multiple images in daily-barry?
[17:26] <lool> stgraber: or is it bound to work like daily?
[17:26] <stgraber> lool: I can have it import all images even those that aren't marked as tested
[17:27] <lool> stgraber: ideally, barry uploads, we build a normal image (gets into daily-proposed) we import into daily-barry, then we build another normal image (replaces the prior one in daily-prposed) and we import to daily-barry, then we test updates in daily-barry from -1 to latest
[17:27] <lool> and we can also easily test daily-proposed to daily-barry to test the rollback in version numbers
[17:27] <NYL> lool, i have one problem, my device has only 1gb
[17:28] <NYL> and has another 16gb internal storage
[17:28] <stgraber> lool: I'll just make the channel import untested builds, that should do what you want
[17:28] <lool> NYL: that's a lot
[17:28] <lool> stgraber: I think that's it, yes
[17:29] <lool> stgraber, barry: If that makes sense to you guys, that is
[17:29] <NYL> well the 1gb one is used for sistem and userdata on android
[17:29] <lool> NYL: so range of things
[17:29] <lool> NYL: first, for nexus devices, we are looking at eventually repartitioning them
[17:29] <lool> NYL: I dont recommend you try that as that's super dangerous
[17:29] <balloons> iBelieve, did everything work? we going to be able to land the fixes today?
[17:30] <lool> NYL: second, you can always reshuffle where things live; the initramfs bits are quite flexible to mount e.g. a system.img file containing an ext4 fs from your userdata partition
[17:30] <stgraber> lool: import running, will take a while
[17:30] <NYL> lool, i was thinking about a trick to link data mounted on the 16gb partition
[17:30] <lool> barry: if there's no risk that this breaks current numbering scheme, would you mind uploading the packagein the mean time?
[17:31] <iBelieve> balloons, I think I fixed it, but for some reason Jenkins failed. Maybe you know why? https://code.launchpad.net/~mdspencer/ubuntu-filemanager-app/fix-popover-caller/+merge/183225
[17:31] <lool> barry: I fear it might not have time to go through proposed if we don't upload it soon
[17:31] <balloons> iBelieve, there was some archive issues this morning
[17:31] <balloons> it is working now, let's see if that fixes it before diving in
[17:32] <iBelieve> balloons, I just clicked  rebuild, so we'll see if that fixes it
[17:32] <balloons> iBelieve, http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/ubuntu-filemanager-app-ci/2/
[17:32] <lool> NYL: yeah, I don't understand all the details, but checkout scripts/touch in initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch to take a look perhaps?
[17:32] <lool> barry, stgraber: Going for dinner
[17:32] <lool> ttyl
[17:42] <balloons> nik90, nik90_ ping
[17:43] <balloons> iBelieve, wild.. nothing ran on the restart
[17:43] <balloons> *passed
[17:44] <iBelieve> balloons, weird. Anything I might have changed? In addition to fixing the bug, I switched from using LocalStorage to U1db to store settings
[17:47] <NYL> lool, bootloader from rom must load os from the other microflash drive
[17:47] <AskUbuntu> stupid question! is it possible to install ubuntu SDK in gentoo? | http://askubuntu.com/q/339416
[17:47] <NYL> thats the tricky part
[17:47] <NYL> xD
[17:49] <iBelieve> balloons, I wonder if it is because I forgot to add U1db as a debian dependency?
[17:51] <iBelieve> balloons, I just pushed an update which addes u1db to the list of debian dependencies. Can you try re-running jenkins?
[17:51] <barry> lool, stgraber updates using old version numbers work too.  i'm calling it a success (flw ;) so i'm going to release and upload s-i 1.4 now
[17:52] <stgraber> barry: cool!
[17:52] <barry> stgraber: always encouraging when the patch is something like 100:1 tests vs code :)
[17:53] <stgraber> barry: haha, same thing on the server side, I removed one line of code and change 10 chars in another and then changed half the tests ;)
[17:54] <barry> stgraber: awesome.  funny, this makes the code *simpler* on the client.  server too?
[17:55] <stgraber> no more strftime call, just an hardcoded base_version = 1 now ;)
[17:55] <barry> :)
[17:56] <NYL> my nexus s ROM partition is exactly 0.98GB
[17:57] <NYL> xD
[17:58] <barry> stgraber, lool uploaded
[17:59] <stgraber> ok. I'll kick a build once it's landed
[18:11] <balloons> iBelieve, new failures?
[18:11] <balloons> nope, same old
[18:41] <NYL> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B34Kseus4HL2ZEM5Mjd4YzNyREE&usp=sharing
[18:41] <NYL> :D Nexus S Ubuntu Touch Kernel compiled finally :D
[18:47] <cjwatson> lool: I uploaded click 0.4.0, btw - I got some work done on multiple databases but clearly wasn't going to finish it today
[18:48] <cjwatson> sergiusens: it's worth making sure any new click packages you build are done with 0.4.0 (so that they get installed-size automatically generated in their manifest), and adding "icon" keys to your manifests per the 0.4 spec
[18:48] <sergiusens> cjwatson: that luckily is automatic :-)
[18:49] <cjwatson> ok, wasn't sure about the former.  the latter isn't automatic :)
[18:49] <sergiusens> cjwatson: great, I'll update and test
[18:50] <sergiusens> cjwatson: this won't replace the Icon entry in .desktop, right?
[18:50] <cjwatson> no
[18:50] <sergiusens> great
[18:50] <cjwatson> it's unfortunately slightly duplicative, depending on how you look at multi-app click packages
[18:50] <cjwatson> if you like, for single-app packages you could generate it from the .desktop
[18:50] <sergiusens> cjwatson: exactly, not important today, but will be soon (time will tell)
[18:55] <alecu> yay, my new app is in the store!
[18:55] <sergiusens> jdstrand: on latest RO images I see ASSERT: "eglBindAPI(EGL_OPENGL_ES_API) == EGL_TRUE" in file screen.cc, line 80
[18:56] <sergiusens> jdstrand: when running apps under confinement, have you run into this already?
[18:56] <jdstrand> I haven't
[18:56] <jdstrand> sergiusens: can you paste the output of grep DEN /var/log/syslog
[18:57] <sergiusens> jdstrand: that was empty after sysctl -w kernel.printk_ratelimit=0
[18:57] <jdstrand> sergiusens: if there are no denials, that shouldn't be apparmor
[18:57] <jdstrand> sergiusens: what device is it on?
[18:57] <sergiusens> jdstrand: I need to roll back to the image to give it another go, just came back to r/w cdimage images to see if it was just the RO images
[18:58] <sergiusens> jdstrand: ack, maguro and manta
[18:58] <jdstrand> hmm
[18:58] <jdstrand> I tested mako and it was fine
[18:58] <jdstrand> (yesterday)
[18:58] <sergiusens> jdstrand: it doesn't happen on r/w and it worked fine for me yesterday too
[18:58]  * NYL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLIf0m5CNXQ
[18:58] <jdstrand> sergiusens: worked for you yesterday on ro?
[18:59] <sergiusens> jdstrand: yes
[18:59] <sergiusens> jdstrand: using the daily-proposed channel
[18:59] <jdstrand> I'll update
[18:59] <jdstrand> though hopefully my phone doesn't break :)
[19:06] <jdstrand> sergiusens: no matching channel/device: daily-proposed/mako
[19:07] <sergiusens> jdstrand: how are you updating? from the phone or fresh flash?
[19:07] <sergiusens> barry: ^^
[19:07] <jdstrand> sergiusens: yesterday I install system-image that support -c
[19:08] <jdstrand> sergiusens: so I did that and used system-image-cli -b 0 -c daily-proposed --filter=full -v like barry told me to
[19:08] <sergiusens> jdstrand: yeah, phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel daily-proposed  should work
[19:08] <jdstrand> then just now I did 'system-image-cli'
[19:09] <jdstrand> I should be already moved to it...
[19:09] <sergiusens> jdstrand: I wonder if you are being hit by the numbering reset
[19:09] <sergiusens> versions that is
[19:09] <sergiusens> rolling back to 1
[19:09] <jdstrand> yesterday was my first ro attempt
[19:09] <jdstrand> and today my first upgrade
[19:10] <sergiusens> jdstrand: I've never done inplace upgrades yet, so I can't provide much feedback there
[19:11] <alecu> @all: who approved the akari app? it seems the package_id is not the same as what's on the manifest
[19:11] <OrokuSaki> @sforshee would it be possible to have a configuration file to specify leds or backlight?
[19:15] <cwayne> sergiusens, hey, any idea why my image would be missing dconf-tools? is it not included in the image?
[19:17] <sforshee> OrokuSaki: it's not impossible, but since this is targeted to run atop an android base I'd prefer to do it however Android does it
[19:17] <sergiusens> cwayne: not installed (and seems it's not pulled in by others either), dconf-tools is also a transitional package btw for dconf-cli and dconf-editor
[19:17] <sforshee> OrokuSaki: so first question: can android control the backlight on this device?
[19:17] <cwayne> well i was missing dconf-cli as well
[19:18] <sergiusens> cwayne: do we need to seed dconf-cli?
[19:18] <cwayne> i think we need it for the customization stuff
[19:18] <cwayne> ssweeny, ^
[19:18] <sergiusens> cwayne: ok, if ssweeny confirms I'll propose it in
[19:19] <ssweeny> cwayne, we might be better off adding it as a Depends of the customization hooks pkg
[19:19] <ssweeny> cwayne, if nothing else needs it
[19:19] <Captain_Proton> I am thinking of getting a nexus 4 just so I can run touch. I have look @ the what workng sheet from what I can tell it should be ok as a daily drive if all I do is make call, sms & email am I correct? Background am IT guy and have used linux since 1998
[19:20] <sergiusens> ssweeny: good
[19:20] <ssweeny> sergiusens, dconf-cli is the pkg name?
[19:21] <jdstrand_> sergiusens, barry: I lost internet for a few minutes. if you responded, please reply back
[19:21] <cwayne> ssweeny, yeah dconf-cli is the package
[19:22] <ssweeny> cwayne, ok, i'll test that that's enough and propose the change to our hooks pkg
[19:22] <sforshee> rsalveti: so it looks like Android abstracts the backlight behind a hal "lights" interface. Is hybris or whatever exposing this to the Ubuntu side?
[19:23] <sergiusens> jdstrand_: I might of missed your original request... just got a hope it doesn't break my phone as a last message
[19:24] <rsalveti> sforshee: should be, let me take a look
[19:26] <OrokuSaki> @sforshee yes it can
[19:27] <mhall119> jhodapp: can you join #ubuntu-touch-meeting real quick?
[19:28] <lool> cjwatson: Ah cool, I feared you were checked out for the WE  :-)  thanks for uploading it
[19:28] <rsalveti> sforshee: it's already exposed by hybris, check the source of hybris (test_lights.c)
[19:28] <lool> now hopefully system-image and click will transition from proposed before the next image build
[19:29] <rsalveti> headers is also exposed in libhybris-dev (android/hardware/lights.h)
[19:29] <rsalveti> actually, it seems that's not yet exported by default, let me fix that
[19:29] <sforshee> rsalveti: ack. I guess we'll have to make powerd use that then.
[19:30] <sforshee> OrokuSaki: can you file a bug against powerd?
[19:31] <rsalveti> sforshee: yeah, the hal is all open source, but it's already abstracted by that api, so we might indeed just use that
[19:31] <OrokuSaki> Sure i will later today, thanks!
[19:32] <sforshee> rsalveti: well if we don't use the hal then powerd has no way to figure out what to use for drivers that don't implement backlight class devices
[19:32] <rsalveti> yeah, it's already exported by android-platform-headers, you'd just need to use it similarly as test_lights.c
[19:32] <rsalveti> indeed
[19:32] <sforshee> rsalveti: okay, thanks!
[19:43] <cpatrick08> I was wondering when you would start basing ubuntu-touch on cm 10.2
[19:48] <sergiusens> popey: you still around?
[19:48] <jdstrand> sergiusens: I upgraded my grouper via dist-upgrade and things are fine. I wonder if there are additional issues with the kernel due to what ogra and I talked about his morning, and all you need is the latest?
[19:49] <sergiusens> jdstrand: hmm, ok, I'll try again later tonight if that is being pumped in
[19:49] <sergiusens> jdstrand: thanks for looking into
[19:52] <cpatrick08> tried building ubuntu-touch on grouper and get following error message make: Warning: File `build/core/dumpvar.mk' has modification time 1.8e+04 s in the future
[19:56]  * lool disables the image until next britney + publisher runs complete
[20:06] <cpatrick08> tried building ubuntu-touch on grouper and get following error message make: Warning: File `build/core/dumpvar.mk' has modification time 1.8e+04 s in the future
[20:07] <sergiusens> popey: mhall119 can you get these in? https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/ubuntu-clock-app/1218397/+merge/183266 https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/ubuntu-rssreader-app/1218398/+merge/183267 https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/music-app/1218392/+merge/183268
[20:07] <bcurtiswx> so with the image based updates, there is no package manager required ?
[20:08] <mhall119> sergiusens: in a few, sure
[20:08] <bcurtiswx> the ubuntu-based ?
[20:08] <sergiusens> mhall119: thanks
[20:17] <lool> bcurtiswx: you're getting click packages from the appstore rather than .debs via a package manager
[20:24] <mhall119> sergiusens: you had files names ubuntu-rssreader, ubuntu-clock and music
[20:24] <mhall119> any reason why music didn't use ubuntu-?
[20:24] <mhall119> it is because it's package/project name doesn't where the others did?
[20:25] <mhall119> is there a naming requirement that they have to match?
[20:30] <kgunn> curious, is anyone complaining about not getting a wifi password prompt on latest touch build ?
[20:33] <mhall119> kgunn: I thought that had been fixed
[20:33] <mhall119> how "latest" are you?
[20:33] <kgunn> pending
[20:34] <kgunn> pending -b
[20:34] <mhall119> hmmm, I'm on 20130829.2
[20:34] <mhall119> and it asked for mine, IIRC
[20:34] <kgunn> did you -b ?
[20:34] <cwayne> mhall119, kgunn i saw that in yesterday's image
[20:34] <kgunn> i'll try that image mhall119 ....see what i get
[20:36] <mhall119> kgunn: no, I don't -b anymore
[20:37] <mhall119> but that shouldn't matter to whether the nm-indicator asks for a passphrase ornot
[20:37] <mhall119> sergiusens: your MPs are all approved
[20:37] <mhall119> and merged
[20:40] <Fyodorovna> Hha
[20:41] <Fyodorovna> Doh
[20:47] <lool> Ok, I gave up on proposed migration
[20:47] <lool> kicked a build
[20:48] <lool> and will only test tomorrow or monday
[20:49] <kgunn> mhall119: definitely not prime-time...its acting screwy for me, had to select my neighbors wifi to get a passord prompt...wonder if its keeping track of the old passoword
[20:49] <mhall119> kgunn: it might
[20:50] <mhall119> kgunn: flash with --wipe to make sure it doesn't have any old user data
[20:50] <kgunn> mhall119: only prob is...its telling me no connection
[20:50] <mhall119> warning: you'll obviously lose all user data that way
[20:50] <kgunn> mhall119: ah..thanks for that --wipe
[20:51] <rsalveti> kgunn: that was in theory fixed with today's image
[20:51] <rsalveti> I flashed both maguro and mako and was able to get the password prompt
[20:52] <kgunn> rsalveti: i didn't even know there was a bug :)
[20:52] <kgunn> rsalveti: i'll wipe...let's see
[20:52] <rsalveti> kgunn: bug 1218385
[20:53] <barry> jdstrand: are you still having problems?
[20:54] <cjwatson> lool: something wrong with proposed-migration, or just normal delays?
[20:55] <jdstrand> barry: well, I ran the command you gave me yesterday (see backscroll). system-image-cli -vv today tells me "no matching channel/device: daily-proposed/mako"
[20:56] <jdstrand> barry: is there something else I should be doing?
[20:56] <barry> jdstrand: system-image --version
[20:57] <jdstrand> # system-image --version
[20:57] <jdstrand> bash: system-image: command not found
[20:58] <lool> cjwatson: can't tell
[20:58] <barry> d'oh: system-image-cli --version
[20:58] <jdstrand> dpkg -l tells my I have 1.2-0ubuntu1
[20:58] <jdstrand> system-image-cli --version just kinda hangs there in the adb shell
[20:58] <barry> that's not right at all :/
[20:59] <lool> cjwatson: I thought it was faster than 3 hours for binaries to migrate -- click was built 3 hours ago
[20:59] <jdstrand> there it goes
[20:59] <mhall119> Wellark: still around?
[20:59] <jdstrand> system-image-cli 1.2
[20:59] <mhall119> or timp
[20:59] <barry> jdstrand: i uploaded 1.4 earlier today
[20:59] <lool> but it's in -proposed still
[20:59] <jdstrand> barry: seems my device was power saving. it is not speedy, but within 2 seconds if I make sure the screen is active
[21:00] <barry> yeah.  even 1.3 will be better
[21:00] <barry> 1.2 can't resolve channels with dashes in their name, e.g.... daily-proposed
[21:00] <jdstrand> I see
[21:00] <jdstrand> that's kinda funny
[21:00] <jdstrand> I had a ro image yesteray
[21:01] <jdstrand> but didn't use daily-proposed
[21:01] <barry> jdstrand: so i suggest installing 1.3 manually and trying that.  it ought to work with the old version numbers, but you'll need 1.4 to deal with the new version numbers
[21:01] <jdstrand> I manually installed 1.3, to change the channel. did so, then rebooted and have 1.2
[21:01] <jdstrand> welcome to image updates :)
[21:02] <jdstrand> barry: ack, thanks. I'll snag 1.4 from proposed
[21:02] <barry> jdstrand: sounds good.  i will be going off-line soon though, so.. good luck! :)  please file bugs for any problems
[21:03] <jdstrand> barry: yep, have a nice weekend. it will take some used to wrapping my head around non-apt upgrades
[21:03] <jdstrand> :)
[21:03] <barry> jdstrand: thanks, you too, and yeah i know! :)
[21:03] <kgunn> mhall119: rsalveti ....the --wipe did it
[21:03] <rsalveti> cool
[21:03] <mhall119> \o/
[21:03]  * kgunn will also apply this to other aspect of my life :)
[21:04] <sergiusens> mhall119: thanks
[21:04] <sergiusens> kgunn: lol
[21:04] <jdstrand> hehe
[21:04] <jdstrand> after all that: "Already up to date"
[21:05] <sergiusens> mhall119: I'm wanting to get rid of all of the ubuntu- since it's already implied in the namespace
[21:05] <mhall119> jdstrand: what security policy groups would I need to use OnlineAccounts and Friends?
[21:05] <jdstrand> barry:  fyi, I guess it worked: "Already up to date"
[21:06] <mhall119> would be helpful if qtcreator gave me an option list rather than a text field
[21:06] <jdstrand> mhall119: "accounts" is for online accounts, but the policy group is TODO
[21:06] <jdstrand> mhall119: re qtc, that is planned for next week I think
[21:06] <mhall119> jdstrand: can I put it in for a click package and have it still be installable?
[21:06] <jdstrand> mhall119: yes
[21:06] <mhall119> cool
[21:06] <mhall119> how about friends?
[21:06] <jdstrand> mhall119: friends we need to work out. it might be another group
[21:07] <mhall119> ok
[21:07] <jdstrand> that we snuck up on us-- we figured people would use online accounts
[21:07] <jdstrand> mhall119: do you have code to use online accounts?
[21:08] <jdstrand> mhall119: and friends?
[21:08] <jdstrand> actually, I have some preliminary dbus rules for accounts
[21:08] <jdstrand> I can uncomment those now
[21:09] <jdstrand> mhall119: fyi, this is your friend: 'aa-easyprof --list-policy-groups --policy-vendor=ubuntu --policy-version=1.0'
[21:11] <mhall119> jdstrand: my reddit app uses both, yes
[21:11] <jdstrand> mhall119: is it functional enough to where I could test it?
[21:12] <mhall119> it was at one point
[21:13] <jdstrand> mhall119: heh-- well, whenever you are at the point of looking at it, I can try it out and figure out the apparmor policy
[21:13] <jibon> Hi, I am Jibon Chowdhury
[21:13] <jdstrand> mhall119: I'm going to uncomment the rules for accounts now
[21:13] <jdstrand> mhall119: mardy gave them to me a little while ago
[21:14] <mhall119> jdstrand: http://ubuntuone.com/0ITD8cHsQHf61b9BrCXl89 is the .deb
[21:14] <popey> sergiusens: i am now, wassup?
[21:14] <mhall119> pick an article, then you should have a Share button in the toolbar
[21:15] <sergiusens> popey: 2late, mhall119 beat you ;-)
[21:15] <sergiusens> thanks anyways
[21:15] <popey> heh
[21:15] <popey> was out celebrating daviey's departure
[21:16] <sergiusens> right, so you aren't in any condition to happrove these MRs :-P
[21:16] <sergiusens> lol
[21:16] <popey> I am stone cold sober ☻
[21:16] <popey> (sadly)
[21:16] <mhall119> then I'm very disappointed in daviey
[21:16] <popey> off the booze for 2 months, doctors orders
[21:16] <popey> daviey was making up for it
[21:16] <mhall119> I expect he would
[21:17] <popey> with 2-for-1 cocktails with all the girls from the office
[21:17] <half_mast> Is the email being worked on yet.
[21:17] <mhall119> popey: you were at least taking pictures for blackmail, right?
[21:17] <popey> one or two
[21:17] <popey> half_mast: we're in "planning" for email app
[21:18] <popey> half_mast: would you like to write it for us? ☻
[21:18] <popey> worth a punt
[21:18] <half_mast> I would like to submit some design ideas if it's not to late.
[21:18] <popey> not too late at all
[21:18] <popey> pretty much zero work has been done on the design side
[21:18] <half_mast> Ok where can I submit my ideas
[21:19] <popey> we may get design involved after 13.10 is out the door, but probably not before
[21:19] <popey> the ubuntu-phone mailing list is probably best
[21:19] <popey> launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone
[21:19] <popey> at the bottom of that page
[21:19] <half_mast> Ok thank you
[21:20] <popey> np
[21:20] <popey> feel free to ping myself, mhall119 or dpm if you have any more questions about core apps
[21:20] <barry> jdstrand: cool.  you can also `system-image-cli -b 0 --dry-run`
[21:21] <cwayne> i'm getting click packages failing to install with No manifest for app_id.. anyone else?
[21:23] <jibon> I have a Nexus S phone, what should I do?
[21:23] <jibon> I am using ubuntu 10.04 in my laptop.
[21:24] <jibon> I want ubuntu in my phone too.
[21:24] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[21:24] <popey> jibon: ^^^
[21:24] <popey> oh, nexus S?
[21:24] <jibon> yes
[21:24] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices - is it listed there?
[21:24] <jibon> codename: crespo
[21:24] <jibon> yes listed
[21:25] <jibon> but not have proper working version.
[21:25] <popey> ah, shame
[21:26] <jibon> contact person is https://launchpad.net/~michaelevans
[21:26] <jibon> but i want to be tester
[21:26] <jibon> for reporting bugs.
[21:27] <jibon> I just want it in my phone anyway.
[21:29] <jibon> Hi alan, will you help me, please.
[21:29] <josepht> anyone seeing /etc/ubuntu-build on cdimage-touch images?
[21:30] <dobey> hi all. who should i bug to get a package or two, added to the default touch image?
[21:30] <jibon> Alan, I want to make, will you give me a tutorial link?
[21:31] <popey> josepht: not on mine
[21:31] <jibon> How I put binaries file in ubuntu touch?
[21:31] <popey> jibon: I am not the best person to ask. you're better off asking the person who did the port
[21:32] <popey> josepht: is /var/log/installer/media-info what you want?
[21:32] <RedefinedClank> Hello! what is ubuntu touch based on>
[21:32] <half_mast> popey: Do you know if I can submit pictures of my design to the launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone?
[21:32] <RedefinedClank> like CM10.1 or?
[21:32] <josepht> popey: no, I did a phablet-flash --pending -b and media-info says 20130828.1
[21:32] <popey> half_mast: I'd upload them to imgur or some other free image hosting place and link to them
[21:33] <mhall119> beuno: got another app submission :)
[21:33] <popey> josepht: that doesn't look right
[21:33] <popey> mhall119: where do you see them?
[21:33] <half_mast> popey: Oh ok
[21:33] <mhall119> popey: I just submitted it
[21:33] <popey> haha
[21:34] <mhall119> also, akari doesn't work
[21:34] <mhall119> beuno: I bet it's because it has capital A in it's .desktop filename
[21:35] <dobey> RedefinedClank: it's based on Ubuntu
[21:35] <mhall119> yup, capital A is the problem
[21:35] <RedefinedClank> dobey, no, it was based off of CyanogenMod Source
[21:35] <mhall119> also, unity doesn't seem to use the .desktop file's Path= to lookup Icon=
[21:35] <RedefinedClank> with added in ubuntu
[21:36] <netcurli> akari is my app, should I upload a new version?
[21:36] <RedefinedClank> i'm curious on porting it to my device
[21:36] <mhall119> netcurli: do you have all the changes that were made to it?
[21:37] <netcurli> not sure
[21:38] <netcurli> can I download the app on my desktop?
[21:39] <OrokuSaki> Any future for running android apps in UT? I remember something about that... somewhere...
[21:39] <sergiusens> jibon: popey you only get to see ubuntu-build on system images
[21:40] <mhall119> netcurli: you can download the .click package, but it's kind of complicated to unpack and see what's changed
[21:40] <popey> sergiusens: thanks
[21:41] <netcurli> mh
[21:41] <mhall119> netcurli: I think beuno is the person who made the changes though, so he can probably tell you what to change
[21:41] <sergiusens> mhall119: netcurli dpkg-deb -x [click_package] package will extract it into package
[21:41] <mhall119> or, better yet, provide you with a bzr MP
[21:41] <mhall119> sergiusens: last time I did that cjwatson yelled at me, and nobody wants that
[21:42] <sergiusens> mhall119: yeah, just don't repack it ;-)
[21:42] <mhall119> or, rather, he yelled at me when I dpkg-deb re-packaged it and submitted that
[21:42] <jibon> hi sergiusens
[21:42] <mhall119> :)
[21:42] <sergiusens> mhall119: nothing wrong with inspecting :-)
[21:42] <sergiusens> jibon: hello
[21:43] <jibon> what about ubuntu-build?
[21:43] <sergiusens> jibon: what about it?
 jibon: popey you only get to see ubuntu-build on system images << means?
[21:45] <half_mast> Out of curiosity does anyone know what it would take to make an app like the Starbucks app or My Coffee Card for Ubuntu Touch?
[21:45] <sergiusens> jibon: not sure how much detail you want, but it probably means you probably don't have it yet
[21:45] <jibon> sorry, I am new guy in here.
[21:46] <sergiusens> jibon: there's a bunch to read about image based upgrades if you are interested https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImageBasedUpgrades
[21:46] <jibon> ok, looking...
[21:50] <sergiusens> jdstrand: did you add the icon entry to the click linter? Is there a branch for it somewhere btw?
[21:52] <jdstrand> sergiusens: I did not
[21:54] <netcurli> mhall119: do you know what I should do with the .bzr stuff?
[21:55] <mhall119> netcurli: that's just something QtCreator included in the .click package that it shouldn't have
[21:55] <mhall119> there's a bug against it
[21:56] <mhall119> but it does no harm, other than making your .click package bigger than it needs to be
[21:56] <netcurli> ok
[21:56] <mhall119> netcurli: .bzr is your bzr repository directory, it has all your branch history and stuff in it
[21:57] <mhall119> it's in your project directory, which is why QtCreator includes it, it includes everything in your project directory currently
[21:58] <jibon> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/system-image
[21:59] <jibon> from here, can I download and install system-image 1.4-0ubuntu1 on my nexus S?
[22:01] <alecu> jibon: I believe Nexus S is a "work in progress": https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[22:01] <alecu> jibon: so, those images will not work on it.
[22:01] <jibon> oh
[22:02] <jibon> but i thought if i use it, then i can submit bugs to help it quickly.
[22:02] <jibon> because i love ubuntu.
[22:03] <sergiusens> jibon: you can use the community support builds if it's supported for yuor device
[22:03] <jibon> where i will get?
[22:04] <sergiusens> jibon: from the web alecu just pointed you to
[22:04] <sergiusens> !Devices | jibon
[22:05] <jdstrand> mhall119: fyi, lp:~jdstrand/+junk/ureadit
[22:05] <jdstrand> mhall119: friends doesn't work even with the necessary dbus access
[22:06] <jdstrand> well, maybe I need to configure friends more
[22:06] <jdstrand> mhall119: anyhoo, there is a click package for you. I'll play with it more
[22:06] <jibon> it that page, i just saw a name, michaelevans, and all other info is WIP since 1 month.
[22:06] <jibon> *in
[22:06] <jdstrand> mhall119: I'm ging to update apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu to 1.0.25 soon, so you can snag that
[22:07] <cjwatson> lool: it's blocked for beta 1, as indicated by http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[22:07] <cjwatson> mhall119: indeed, inspecting with dpkg -x is fine
[22:10] <cjwatson> lool: (dealt with on #ubuntu-release apparently)
[22:15] <mhall119> jdstrand: I think Friends got a new version, so my code might be broken
[22:16] <jibon> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2162735
[22:16] <jdstrand> mhall119: yeah, your code uses qtdeclarative5-friends-plugin but qtdeclarative5-friends0.2 seems current
[22:16] <jibon> is it community version?
[22:16] <mhall119> yeah...
[22:16] <mhall119> jdstrand: what did you want me to snag?
[22:17] <jdstrand> mhall119: I the branch is just ureadit clickified
[22:17] <jdstrand> s/I/oh/
[22:17] <jdstrand> mhall119: purely fyi
[22:18] <jdstrand> I used it locally to get it all hooked up with the apparmor machinery, etc
[22:19] <mhall119> ok
[22:19] <mhall119> can I just "click build" inside that directory?
[22:20] <mhall119> seems I can
[22:21] <mhall119> jdstrand: so what is different about your click package from the one I uploaded?
[22:21] <RedefinedClank> Anyone know what ubuntu touch is based off of android wise, like which version of CM it is based on atm?
[22:22] <RobbyF> I think 10.1
[22:22] <RedefinedClank> mm
[22:22] <RobbyF> I know it's 10.x
[22:22] <RedefinedClank> i see that it's based off of stable builds
[22:22] <RedefinedClank> that makes it easy :D
[22:24] <rsalveti> cm 10.1.2 currently, the released tag
[22:24] <RedefinedClank> well thank you, that makes me porting it to the GS4 easy
[22:27] <RobbyF> you'll be done in an hour then? :P
[22:27] <RedefinedClank> prolly not
[22:28] <RedefinedClank> I mean, with a CM base, porting should be simple
[22:28] <RobbyF> I'm no dev so it's hard for me. lol
[22:29] <RobbyF> I basically idle to learn things here and there. I run daily builds on my gnex
[22:29] <RedefinedClank> same, but it really is simple from what i understand
[22:29] <RedefinedClank> my gnexus won't charge
[22:29] <RobbyF> usb port or battery?
[22:29] <RedefinedClank> it charged for a second, then stopped charging
[22:30] <RobbyF> try pluging in the charger without the battery, then put the battery in after 30 seconds.
[22:30] <RedefinedClank> my s4 is not working atm
[22:30] <RedefinedClank> ok once sec
[22:30] <RedefinedClank> i have to install ubuntu on my comp xD
[22:32] <RedefinedClank> not workin
[22:32] <RobbyF> I tried.
[22:33] <jibon> hi nyl
[22:36] <RobbyF> latest touch -pending build feels awesome
[22:36] <NYL> hi jibon
[22:37] <RedefinedClank> fuuuuuuuuuuuck
[22:37] <RedefinedClank> i really don't want to send my phone in and have it fixed
[22:38] <jibon> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45105803#post45105803
[22:38] <jibon> is it your post?
[22:38] <NYL> yes
[22:38] <jibon> thank you.
[22:38] <jibon> can i use ur img?
[22:39] <NYL> of course
[22:39] <jibon> where the link?
[22:39] <NYL> its on google drive link
[22:39] <NYL> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B34Kseus4HL2ZEM5Mjd4YzNyREE&usp=sharing
[22:39] <jibon> I have Nexus S (Sojuk) crespo
[22:40] <jibon> yeah, i already found this link.
[22:41] <jibon> but have many file.
[22:41] <jibon> which one latest?
[22:41] <NYL> all of those the build gave me
[22:41] <NYL> a few hours ago
[22:41] <jibon> need do download all?
[22:42] <NYL> just one
[22:42] <jibon> which one?
[22:42] <NYL> i´m still documenting to be sure wich one i have to flash
[22:43] <NYL> i think the zip one is recovery flashable
[22:43] <jibon> :(
[22:43] <jibon> I am bad in english.
[22:43] <jibon> I live in Bangladesh.
[22:44] <jibon> have 2 zip files.
[22:44] <mhall119> jibon: don't worry about that
[22:44] <NYL> the ota one i´m testing
[22:45] <jibon> thanks mhall119
[22:45] <NYL> don´t know wich preinstalled image i should use
[22:45] <jibon> cm_crespo-ota-eng.nyl.zip
[22:46] <jibon> is this?
[22:46] <NYL> yes
[22:46] <jibon> ok
[22:46] <jibon> any special instruction?
[22:47] <jibon> how to install?
[22:48] <netcurli> mhall119: uploaded a new version that works now at least for me when I install it via command line on my phone
[22:49] <lool> cjwatson: thanks; it seemed anormaly long so I had poked at various reports under ~ubuntu-archive, but not the right one
[22:50]  * lool goes to bed
[22:50] <NYL> i will tell you how to after i finnish booting the ubuntu part :D
[22:50] <cjwatson> lool: you can always ask on #ubuntu-release about p-m oddities
[22:51] <lool> cjwatson: almost did that, but wasn't 100% sure  :-)
[22:52] <NYL> the problem is that i need to make it boot from microflash
[22:52] <iBotPeaches> Should ubuntu automatically boot up? or do I have to start something in shell to trigger it?
[22:52] <iBotPeaches> cant seem to get this oppo to display anything, but im correctly in ubuntu shell
[22:52] <NYL> and i think i have to repartion it, and install ubuntu there
[22:55] <jibon> microflash!!
[22:56] <NYL> the internal sdcard
[22:56] <jibon> sd card have not.
[22:57] <jibon> usb disk!
[22:58] <iBotPeaches> and some tutorials refer to "ubuntu_chroot shell", then running "ubuntu-session", can't find this anywhere in my saucy build
[23:00] <NYL> jibon, does your recovery mount usb storage?
[23:03] <jibon> its 5.03 AM
[23:03] <jibon> need to sleep.
[23:04] <jibon> is it complete? @nyl
[23:05] <NYL> not yet, after i test it, i will announce you :)
[23:05] <jibon> sorry bro, I live in bangladesh. I cant always be online.
[23:06] <jibon> can you give me a exact time?
[23:06] <jibon> That time i will try to be online.
[23:08] <NYL> we will post on our topic results :) and step by step tutorial
[23:08] <jibon> oops
[23:08] <jibon> :(
[23:08] <jibon> I am now android 4.1.1 using.
[23:08] <jibon> cant send sms.
[23:09] <jibon> ok
[23:09] <jibon> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2162735
[23:09] <jibon> I am try it today.
[23:10] <jibon> tommorow will looking for yours.
[23:10] <NYL> ok ;)
[23:10] <jibon> thanks bro, nyl.
[23:10] <NYL> i would recommend you to use slimbean and marmite kernel
[23:11] <jibon> i downloaded slimbean.
[23:11] <jibon> but as i use ubuntu in my laptop, i wants it in my phone too.
[23:12] <jibon> I was looking ubuntu touch in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[23:12] <jibon> since 1 month
[23:12] <jibon> but no responce.
[23:13] <jibon> so, i googled and found forum.
[23:14] <jibon> kernel and gapps is same?
[23:15] <jibon> i didnt get how to install/flash kernel.
[23:15] <jibon> but i get some gapps files.
[23:23] <jibon> bye
[23:25] <NYL> flashed the boot image now flashing preinstalled image, fingers crossed xD
[23:35] <NYL> hmm
[23:42] <stgraber> lool: daily-barry fully populated now. Also starting a new touch build to get the new system-image-cli
[23:42] <stgraber> lool: I'll promote that one directly to daily when it's done, so people can update to the new system-image-cli over the weekend
[23:46] <NYL> i got into adb shell
[23:46] <NYL> i have ubuntu on a img
[23:46] <NYL> on the sdcard
[23:51] <NYL> BusyBox v1.20.2 (Ubuntu 1:1.20.0-8.1ubuntu1) built-in shell (ash)
[23:58] <RobbyF> mhall119, what image did you flash to get click packages available to device?