[07:42] <moodoo> morning all
[07:50] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:38] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:49] <bashrc> g'day
[08:51] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:51] <MartijnVdS> hi brobostigon
[08:51] <brobostigon> hi MartijnVdS
[08:52] <jussi> hrrr
[08:52] <jussi> sickness hrrrrrr
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> jussi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_with_the_Sickness ?
[08:53] <jussi> MartijnVdS: no. :P
[08:53] <MartijnVdS> jussi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XNrs5dYDBs ?
[08:54]  * MartijnVdS has too much music
[08:54] <jussi> MartijnVdS: way too much :P
[08:56] <MartijnVdS> jussi: I'm about to fill up my first BILLY® with CDs 8-)
[09:32] <popey> Morning
[09:37] <mungbean> lots of free apps in amazon android app store today
[09:38] <mungbean> most of you might have them already
[09:38] <mungbean> but good for cheapskates
[09:39] <bashrc> I tend to stick to f-droid
[09:39] <bashrc> Free as in freeware apps tend to contain a lot of unwanted stuff
[09:42] <mungbean> these are paid apps on offer
[09:42] <mungbean> i.e. swiftkey, and various games, shazam pro, etc
[09:43] <funkyHat> So the amazon app store actually works in the UK now?
[09:46] <dwatkins> it has for a while, I thought, funkyHat
[09:47] <funkyHat> dwatkins: I haven't tried it for ages
[09:48] <dwatkins> it exists on Android, certainly
[09:54] <jussi> funkyHat: disappointed in  you...
[09:54] <jussi> not seen any funkyHats for ages!!!!
[09:55]  * popey wonders what was in the 4.3 update I just applied
[09:55] <popey> changelogs ftw
[09:56] <jussi> popey: the prism incusion patch?
[09:56] <jussi> :P
[10:00] <popey> Guess so
[10:01] <funkyHat> jussi: ⢁(
[10:26] <bigcalm> Listening to Orbital and I'm reminded of Abe's Oddworld. But I can't figure out if the music sounds like that in the game, or I just listened to a lot of Orbital the 1st time around
[10:55]  * penguin42 waits impatiently for his Virgin
[10:56] <mungbean> :-|
[10:56] <mungbean> had to wait 30yrs for that
[10:56] <penguin42> due by 6pm....
[10:57] <popey> holy cow. that first run video I made has been viewed ~5000 times
[10:58] <mungbean> first run of?
[10:58] <mungbean> ubuphone?
[10:58] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HreKruXnn_A
[10:58] <popey> ya
[10:59] <popey> should have monetised it.. estimated earnings $1.55!
[10:59] <mungbean> you only get the cash when you earn $100 innit?
[11:00] <mungbean> probably the entire earnings from unity-lens-shopping
[11:01] <mungbean> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGbz5yhbwH8
[11:01] <mungbean> "dave"
[11:02] <mungbean> his other ubuntu 12 on android vid got 300k views
[11:08] <popey> quite like https://www.youtube.com/user/marquesbrownlee his videos
[12:08] <dvrr> good morning everyone
[12:08] <penguin42> good afternoon :-)
[12:19] <dvrr> moodoo:
[12:19] <dvrr> hIIIIIIIIIII
[12:38] <popey> yo
[12:54] <shauno> lvm inside virtual machines makes me a sad puppy :(  trying to convert a vmdk, and it's hurdle after hurdle  (especially since it needs to end up scriptable)
[12:57] <penguin42> shauno: Why? It's easier to deal with an lvm of an image than a partitioned image
[12:58] <shauno> I already have to deal with the partitioned image either way
[13:07] <diddledan_> shauno, that sounds evil
[13:07] <diddledan_> shauno, in other news the pub grub was good just now
[13:15] <shauno> it's not difficult.  it's just proving difficult to automate
[13:16] <shauno> I really don't want to resort to having a list of files that I expect to be in given places, to try to match which partition was mounted where
[13:18] <penguin42> shauno: Which bit is turning out difficult to automate?
[13:20] <shauno> breaking the partitions out is tedious.  trying to match them to mtab is what's getting me atm
[13:21] <penguin42> oh so you're trying to mount them in the same place as they're mounted in the system?
[13:22] <shauno> right.  trying to re-assemble them as a single disk image
[13:24] <penguin42> shauno: I thought ext filesystems typically had a record of where they were last mounted
[13:24] <penguin42> shauno: Yeh, try   dumpe2fs /path  it has entries like:    Last mounted on:          /media/dg/spinnyroot
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> spinnyroot? as in "spinning rust"?
[13:26] <penguin42> nod
[13:29] <shauno> penguin42: hah, that's what I was looking for.  I was trying to get it out of debugfs, which is even more cryptic
[13:30] <penguin42> shauno: Haha yes I tried debugfs first as well but fortunately the see also on the man page reminded me of it
[13:31] <shauno> turns out tune2fs -l is where I'd seen it.  sadly both are giving me ast mounted on:          <not available>
[13:31] <shauno> but at least you found the tree I was barking up, so I can quit chasing my tail on that one
[13:32]  * penguin42 wonders why it has a not-available
[14:34] <Laney> oh dookie
[14:34] <Laney> what a great album you are
[14:37]  * mgdm fires up Nimrod
[14:38] <mgdm> as I know it's a different album, but Nice Guys Finish Last just appeared in my head
[14:38] <Laney> also a decent one
[14:38] <Laney> i'm listening to Funeral For A Friend now
[14:38] <mgdm> Never got into them
[14:38] <Laney> meeting up with my school friends this evening
[14:38] <Laney> so revising some tunes from those days
[14:38] <daftykins> ^_^
[14:38] <mgdm> hehe
[14:39] <daftykins> a band that played at a local event are worth a listen, apparently they often supported FFaF
[14:39] <daftykins> 'Mallory Knox'
[14:39] <Laney> oh yeah that rings a bell
[14:39] <daftykins> they're recent
[14:40] <Laney> I saw FFAF like 10 times
[14:40]  * Laney goes misty eyed
[14:40] <daftykins> ;)
[14:40] <daftykins> this weekend is a big event over on the neighbouring island of Jersey
[14:41] <daftykins> i recognise nobody beyond Fatboy Slim playing X|
[14:41] <daftykins> £100 tickets anyway, no chance :D
[14:43] <Laney> heh
[14:43] <Laney> go find a pub near the fence
[14:44] <daftykins> XD
[15:17]  * penguin42 isn't sure he understands what the 'Resume' flag is on G+ as of today
[15:33] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/de5fjwhlnxtw6tm/nola.jpg
[15:33] <daftykins> nice little panorama i just put together from my roadtrip to the US last year
[15:33] <daftykins> New Orleans there
[15:35] <penguin42> daftykins: Is it still recovering from the mess a few years back?
[15:35] <penguin42> that's a very fairytail building in the middle
[15:35] <daftykins> it had just had a bit of a trashing before we got there
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: resume flag?
[15:37] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Do you get the '2 new' type of thing appearing next to your stream? As of today I keep getting one marked 'resume'
[15:37] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/aat11hxg8lv9uyg/yosemite.jpg
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: sometimes, maybe "resume" is about conversations you've participated in before?
[15:43] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: I don't think so but difficult to tell
[15:54] <mungbean> if i'm doing ssl certs for www.flib.flob.com and the hostname is fred.baz.flob.com , but there are A/PTR records for www.flib.flob.com pointing to that machine, will it be OK, ok will there be issues?
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: no, unless the certificate has Subject Alternative Names (SAN)
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: with both names in it
[15:55] <SuperMatt> FYI the transcend wifi SD card is nicely hackable :D
[15:55] <SuperMatt> http://haxit.blogspot.in/2013/08/hacking-transcend-wifi-sd-cards.html
[15:55] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: yeah it's an ARM with Linux and wifi,isn't it?
[15:55] <mungbean> ok MartijnVdS cheers
[15:55] <SuperMatt> we've been following that guide and now we have a web server listening on any hostname and serving up video
[15:55] <SuperMatt> MartijnVdS: that's the one
[15:56] <SuperMatt> next up, we're going to get a 3.3V battery, connect it to pins 4 and 6, and TADA, we have a portable wireless 16G of video
[15:56] <MartijnVdS> also, TINY
[15:56] <SuperMatt> indeed
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> so.. has anyone tried Prison Architect?
[16:24] <mungbean> there's a new channel called "true entertainment".
[16:24] <mungbean> i rescan my tv box and have a look at whats showing
[16:24] <mungbean> ...
[16:24] <mungbean> the waltons
[16:24] <mgdm> hahaha
[16:24] <mungbean> i want my time and money back
[16:25] <mungbean> not to worry, little house on the prairie is on tomorrow :(
[16:26] <mgdm> it's like Sunday afternoons on C4 from 20 years ago
[16:26] <ali1234> could someone on 13.04 run dpkg-query -L indicator-sound | pastebinit and send me the link please?
[16:27] <DJones> ali1234: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6044747/
[16:27] <ali1234> thanks
[16:27] <ali1234> as i thought, you have a libsoundmenu.so
[16:28] <ali1234> that's mysteriously disappeared on saucy. the way indicators work has been totally changed
[16:59] <mungbean> argh cannot change g+ cover photo back to a small one:?
[17:00] <daftykins> *world ends*
[17:02] <mungbean> they tricked me
[17:05] <mungbean> why do you need a massive screen sized photo?
[17:27] <penguin42> right, that's better apt-get claiming over 4MB/s - which shouldn't happen since it's supposedly 30Mbps - but can't argue
[17:35] <bigcalm> penguin42: I regularly got 3.7MB/s on my 30Mb/s VM cable connection. I now get a solid 7.5MB/s on the upgraded 60Mb/s connection
[17:35] <penguin42> bigcalm: What did it say on the contract - L30 or XL30 ?
[17:35] <bigcalm> penguin42: good question
[17:35] <bigcalm> I thought XL was 50/100
[17:35] <bigcalm> I'm on mates rates, so whatever that gives :)
[18:37] <penguin42> hmm
[19:12] <penguin42> so I think the 'resume' tag they've put in, is that when you click the '3 more' things that come up, it remembers where you were, and resume takes you back to it
[20:03] <shauno> I've given up on trying to dump those disk images.  decided it'll be much less fighting to just be clevererer about the next step instead
[20:04] <penguin42> shauno: What were you actually trying to do?
[20:05] <shauno> I need to inject files into pre-built VMs
[20:06] <shauno> I thought the lazy option would be to move everything into a single partition, and then just unzip my payload over the top.  I thought wrong :)
[20:06] <penguin42> how big is your payload?
[20:07] <shauno> embarassingly small (just some config files)
[20:09] <penguin42> shauno: do you know where / is ?
[20:09] <shauno> it just needs some tweaks because the application hosted on the VM makes some reasonable assumptions (eg, internet connectivity, licence servers) that aren't true in the lab environment
[20:10] <shauno> yeah, / I can pin down (find -name home)
[20:11] <penguin42> so drop it into / and track an entry into /etc/rc.local or /etc/rc.d
[20:12] <ali1234> why can't you just mount the images and do whatever?
[20:13] <shauno> that's what I'm doing so far, it's just messy trying to figure out which partition is which, because I have a lot of directories with the same names
[20:14] <ali1234> if the VMs are prebuilt, are the partitions all the same?
[20:14] <shauno> they vary a lot across different versions.  seems someone can't make their mind up which distro they're building on top of
[20:15] <ali1234> check boot partition for bootloader config to get /, check / to get fstab and the rest of the partitions?
[20:15] <diddledan> ali1234: that sounds almost sensible
[20:15] <shauno> that's where I got to the first time around.  worked fine on my VM, exploded on production because I made assumptions about vg0
[20:16] <ali1234> heh, lvm
[20:16] <diddledan> hmm, why is os x mavericks not outputting audio to both my headphone-socket-connected speakers?
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[20:18] <shauno> you're getting mono out the headphone jack?
[20:19] <diddledan> shauno: yup
[20:19] <shauno> dirty?  pushed in all the way?
[20:20] <diddledan> ok, it must have been dirty
[20:20] <diddledan> I've just pulled it out and wiped it with my dirty fat fingers and it's working now
[20:20] <penguin42> jack connectors work by more look than anything else
[20:20] <shauno> I'm magic :)
[20:21] <diddledan> shauno: you should know by now that you're my lucky mascot
[20:24] <shauno> well, it looks ugly, but find | grep whole/chunk/of/path seems to work
[20:25] <diddledan> eww, lol
[20:25] <diddledan> hmm, can I stretch to a cinema display? I think now
[20:25] <diddledan> not*
[20:25] <shauno> I have roughly the same folder layout on 4 different partitions.  it's not sensible.
[20:26] <ali1234> there must be some difference, else what is the point?
[20:27] <shauno> some contain legions of .jars, some contain conf files.  one appears to be web assets
[20:27] <ali1234> sounds very proprietary
[20:29] <shauno> /opt and /data appear to contain exactly the same .jars, and I can't figure out if it's intentional
[20:30] <penguin42> shauno: My experience is it's perfectly normal for an arbitrary set of java apps to look in 5 different places for their jars
[20:31] <shauno> I'm really tempted to delete one and see what happens now
[20:32] <penguin42> shauno: Nothing will happen until 30 mins before a critical demo/customer
[20:34] <shauno> reminds me, I wrote a demo for Google recently.  that was hilarious.  can you bluff google in 3 hours?  yes, yes you can
[20:34] <penguin42> ?
[20:35] <diddledan> shauno: what were you demoing (high level if secrets are involved)?
[20:36] <shauno> integration between x and y, when we didn't have y to hand
[20:36] <diddledan> lol
[20:37] <shauno> so I wrote something that spits out soap-shaped chunks of pre-canned replies, and just prayed he stuck to the script
[20:48] <penguin42> bluff them into doing what?
[20:49] <shauno> the presentation had a static slide.  they wanted to see the actual thing
[20:49] <penguin42> haha ok
[20:49] <shauno> it was just stupid timing because to do it properly would be a request to india and back
[20:50] <shauno> it just tickled my ego that when they thought of quick botches, they thought of me
[20:51] <penguin42> shauno: It's not a bad thing to be able to do
[20:52] <shauno> it's handy, but I do wish I was capable of anything else
[20:52] <shauno> that's why I look after the lab.  it'll never be pretty and it's allowed to explode
[20:53] <diddledan> :-)
[20:53] <diddledan> I botch together wordpress and/or drupal frankensteins
[20:55] <diddledan> one of my botches is http://www.choosemypcc.org.uk which I'm sure not many people actually saw at the time
[20:55] <penguin42> oh I remember that
[20:56] <penguin42> diddledan: It's a pretty botch
[20:56] <diddledan> it's hideously not seoified
[20:56] <diddledan> thanks :-)
[20:56] <penguin42> seofied?
[20:56] <diddledan> search engine optimised
[20:56] <penguin42> ah
[20:57] <diddledan> there's no way for google to be able to work out that the region pages exist at all
[20:58] <diddledan> it was done in somewhat of a rush because the design changed last minue
[20:58] <diddledan> minute*
[20:58]  * penguin42 doesn't know how to do web botching beyond simple stuff; now if you need a bit of C or asm botching
[20:58] <diddledan> :-)
[20:58] <diddledan> C or asm are complete mysteries to me
[20:59] <shauno> I'm not good at pretty either.  I'm a posterchild for Bootstrap
[21:00] <diddledan> lol
[21:00] <diddledan> bootstrap needn't look like it's been made in bootstrap if you're persistent enough
[21:01] <shauno> oh I'm not persistent.  I painted it The Correct Colour, and left it there
[21:02] <shauno> on the plus side, everything looks like one coherent whole.  because I've been dragging the same template around the last 18 months worth of projects
[21:02] <diddledan> hehe
[21:04] <diddledan> http://www.brolene.co.uk is another of mine - most of our clients insist on cave-man internet explorer compatibility while also wanting the latest and greatest responsive stuff thrown in for good measure
[21:05]  * penguin42 knows where to come if he needs a website hacking together then
[21:06] <diddledan> IE6 is the bane of my existence
[21:06] <diddledan> thankfully IE5 no longer exists
[21:07] <diddledan> bring on the 2014 cut-off for XP ASAP so that the government finally upgrade to something resembling modern
[21:08] <diddledan> annoyingly, wordpress refuse to support even IE7 which means that we're stuck telling clients that they're backwards and want to do stuff that is impossible given their IT infrastructure
[21:08] <shauno> I still use IE6 :/
[21:09] <diddledan> shauno: you're backwards
[21:09] <shauno> tell me about it
[21:09] <shauno> I have it for one single application.  they're in the process of finally replacing it, but the replacement doesn't do everything the old one did
[21:09] <diddledan> typical
[21:10] <shauno> so we're using both, and 1001 shims between them
[21:10] <diddledan> ewwwwwwwwwwww!
[21:36] <daftykins> shauno: just a matter of time then \o/
[21:58] <Azelphur> I'm sure I remember hearing about a WM that could do separate workspaces per-monitor, any ideas what that was?
[21:58] <Azelphur> or, if anyone  knows a WM that can do that :)
[22:00] <diddledan> Azelphur: xmonad?
[22:01] <Azelphur> interesting, could well be
[22:07] <Azelphur> oh sweet, it actually mentions it in the featureset
[22:07] <Azelphur> yep, that'll be it
[22:10] <penguin42> I could swear I've seen it in something but can't remember what
[22:10] <penguin42> Azelphur: So I had this argument with someone the other day; why do you want it?
[22:10] <Azelphur> penguin42: haha, quad monitor with one large workspace is a bit useless
[22:11] <penguin42> Azelphur: Ah, quad....
[22:11] <ali1234> KDE can do it
[22:11] <ali1234> KDE can do everything
[22:12] <Azelphur> can it make my dinner
[22:12] <ali1234> figuring out how to configure it is left as an exercise for the reader
[22:12] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:12] <ali1234> it has an egg timer applet, so yes
[22:12] <Azelphur> xD
[23:23] <daftykins> XBMC ditches Windows XP support \o/
[23:26] <shauno> they already ditched osx 10.4 :(
[23:27] <daftykins> even Apple have though :)
[23:27] <shauno> yeah, but that's what my TV was running on
[23:27] <shauno> grump whine etc
[23:27] <daftykins> d'aww
[23:27] <daftykins> PPC?
[23:27] <shauno> nah, 1st gen appletv
[23:28] <daftykins> ah
[23:28] <shauno> minus apple's front end because .. well because xbmc
[23:28] <daftykins> =]
[23:28] <daftykins> i've an ASRock ion HTPC
[23:28] <shauno> strange choice I know, but at the time it was a very cost-effective, very SO-friendly machine
[23:28] <daftykins> been a user since the xbox1 though
[23:29] <shauno> but that's when they were intel.  the new ones are basically ipods.
[23:30] <shauno> almost literally.  that's where the dump the CPUs that tested on one core but not both
[23:31] <daftykins> binning is no biggy
[23:31] <penguin42> really? Do they have that poor yield?
[23:31] <penguin42> I mean I doubt it they're only small chips ?
[23:31] <daftykins> kinda sounds like you're saying intels are in ipods and apple TVs ;)
[23:31] <shauno> that's my understanding; they're ipod processors with one core disabled
[23:32] <shauno> I don't know if that's yield, or just saves them coming up with a new die
[23:33] <penguin42> yeh just turn one off to save power or something
[23:35] <shauno> that's the bit I never got my head around.  I can't see power being a huge factor, since they're mains powered, and considerably roomier than the ipod
[23:35] <shauno> it's the same underlying OS stack, so they could use the second core.  and I really can't imagine one canibalizing the other
[23:37] <penguin42> nod
[23:56] <ali1234> this is kind of odd, gedit doesn't have an icon any more
[23:57] <ali1234> the .desktop does, so there's an icon in menus and launchers and so on, but the app icon that would appear in the top left corner or in task bars has been replaced with the default one
[23:59] <penguin42> sounds like a screwup