[05:33] morning all [06:35] yo inetpro , when you have time, no rush, can you just explain in laymans terms what was the reason ian was banned. is it because he was trying to connect to irc through a proxy server and freenode dont accept that? [06:36] i been thinking maybe he had tried to connect at work and their server is a proxy server maybe? [06:38] or maybe a work router that was setup like that [06:46] good morning [06:48] hi magespawn [06:49] you gonna mail the list about tonight or you want me to do it? [06:49] are you on the dlug list too? [06:50] yeah well im getting mail from william [06:50] looking for pc stuff [06:50] and warwick [06:50] i think if we let both lists know that will be best [06:51] so i will do the dlug if you can do ubuntu-za [06:51] yeah i just dunno what is their actual addy and dont wanna steal a working thread thing [06:51] oh yay [06:51] ya thats good [06:52] we just gotta decide what tonight is actually about [06:52] yo thundermage [06:52] i had to go turn mine off [06:53] that might be a good idea [06:53] every time i opened thunderbird it was here [06:53] yup there must be a setting somewhere to start on login or something [06:53] like methinks maybe tonight will be about planning the classes not so? [06:54] on the right a tiny block to stop aotu join [06:54] needed mag glass to see it [06:54] autojoin [06:55] did you read what i asked the pro magespawn ? [06:56] i saw it thanks, yes tonight is a start and the layout that we can follow. LPIC recommended study time is 40 hours [06:56] i did Kilos [06:56] Morning everyone [06:56] i think freenode does not accept proxy servers [06:56] hi nocware [06:56] ho nocware [06:56] what is the proxy server [06:56] like where is it [06:57] is it maybe their work server [06:57] so not his pc at all that caused the ban [06:57] It's just weird...i booted in live and now the disk has other options...seems fine. [06:58] lol [06:59] ive had lotsa probs nocware and that sudo fsck -f /dev/sda1 from another drive or cd has fixed it everytime [06:59] even fixes crashed externals [06:59] Kilos, just showed file not found on booting. [07:00] then the normal sudo touch /forcefsck should sort that on next boot too [07:01] Kilos: a proxy can be anywhere but it essential in between his pc and freenode hiding who he is from freenode [07:01] gotta go out brb [07:01] ya maybe it was when he tried to get in with pc connected to work net con [07:01] go well [07:04] The problem isn't really that he's using a proxy, it's that he's using an open proxy used by bots [07:05] yeah but he dunno where the thing could be [07:05] hi Trixar_za not_found [07:05] thanks for the b-day wish uncle Kilos :D [07:05] Hi Kilos [07:05] sorry we were late not_found [07:05] It's not_found's birthday? [07:05] yesterday or day before [07:07] This Miley Cyrus thing just makes me laugh. She wants to prove she's not a kid anymore, so what does it do? Pretty much pull the same crap that a typical 15/16 year old girl pulls after they discover that dressing provocativly gets boys attention [07:08] It's so common, that I don't even see it anymore [07:08] Now the girls that dress conservativly stand out to me :P [07:08] good [07:08] good morning [07:08] hello inetpro [07:08] Morning inetpro [07:09] hi ThatGraemeGuy [07:09] Kilos: the problem is not the proxy per se [07:09] I'm just saying, if my kid tries to pull that crap, I'd so take away her phone or car [07:09] the problem is that he had an open proxy [07:09] ai! [07:09] meaning that anyone out on the internet was able to use his machine as a proxy server [07:09] oh [07:09] Miley is the one that buys her dad cars :p [07:09] morning :) [07:10] lol [07:10] He's still her manager. He blames MTV for making her do that. [07:10] bad peeps out there actually exploit open proxies to fake their location [07:11] I blame violent video games [07:11] so its his pc not the work server that could have caused the ban [07:11] not_found: lol. Reminds me of Harvest or Harvester [07:12] It was a violent video game created just to piss off the "moral guardians" that said video games are murder simulators [07:12] Kilos: I don't know his setup and how he connects, too much detail that is missing [07:12] i didnt think last night, i coulda joined #freenode and asked the admin guys to unban him [07:13] he used to connect at work on their adsl [07:13] yo drussell [07:14] at night now he is using 3g like us [07:14] but he has been banned for months i think [07:15] Kilos: hey! [07:15] you yankyfied peeps with your hey [07:15] hehe [07:15] too much tv [07:16] anyway nocware im glad that its working [07:17] dont companies hide behind proxy servers to try keep secure [07:18] aw i forgot sheep with all the proxy stuff [07:18] wbb [07:35] morning superfly [07:37] Kilos: you could probably say that companies hide behind proxies but the fact is that they take responsibility for what happens inside [07:37] fact is that if someone inside messes up the company as a whole gets blacklisted [07:38] ok. im just looking for where that proxy could be. [07:38] he would be the only one there that comes on irc [07:38] trying to localise the prob thing [07:39] what a business [07:48] hi Vince-0 [07:50] oh inetpro but he was on an open proxy you say, so, we just gotta work out if that was his pc or somewhere else [07:50] hmm... [07:51] haai [07:55] hi psyatw [07:57] hello [07:57] wb magespawn [07:58] dunno if i over did the list mail [07:58] Vince-0, first class tonight [08:00] yaa? [08:12] morning Kilos [08:14] is it these settings in the router that causes pc to disconnect from the net [08:15] http://slexy.org/view/s21ngmIjQs [08:15] there where they talk about lease time [08:16] do i just delete anytime setting to make it stay online or must a enter many mins [08:16] hehe [08:20] oh seconds [08:20] eeek [08:21] Kilos that is the DHCP lease settings for the computers on your internal network [08:22] ya but isnt that what disconnects me while modem still shows connected [08:23] no that is just the amount of time between renewal of the DHCP lease [08:24] maybe i gotta use the fixed hosy thing but i dont see my mac addy on this pc [08:24] oh my [08:24] my head gonna explode with all these things [08:26] fixed host just mean that the pc will get the same ip address from the router everytime [08:26] ty magespawn [08:31] good morning all [08:31] hi Kilos, magespawn, superfly, Vince-0 [08:31] hi charl [08:31] classes tonight [08:35] hi charl [08:38] Kilos: lol, you started with "yo" that's way more yankified! ;o) [08:38] Kilos: how's things? [08:38] hahaha well said drussell [08:38] good ty and you [08:39] Kilos: really good thanks [08:39] you gonna join our study group tonight drussell ? [08:39] #linux-studies [08:39] maybe you can teach too [08:40] Maaz, spell teach [08:40] Kilos: Yup, that's a word all right [08:40] yay [08:40] Kilos: hehe, I don't know that I'll be up to much this evening, I'm finally travelling home after being away all week in Germany [08:40] Kilos: so will probably collapse in a heap :o) [08:41] np davey [08:41] next week no excuses [08:46] Kilos: obviously that open proxy was running on the machine where he ran that netstat command from last night, I guess that is his machine [08:47] oh my [08:47] he has never run that command before methinks [08:48] what command? [08:48] netstat [08:48] he dunno that [08:48] oh oh sorry [08:48] netstat is just used to find the open ports [08:49] do you not think the ban was from before [08:49] and to find the application/service [08:49] he used to come here with it while still on win now its kde [08:49] i think the ban is months old [08:49] hello [08:49] Kilos: obviously he was running havp on there [08:50] oh yes [08:50] on port 8080 [08:50] hi Squirm [08:50] so freenode won't lie to you [08:50] they can detect it [08:51] well i got him to remove havp and samba and other stuff [08:51] so will see if he comes online tonight on pidgin if freenode unbanned him [08:51] the sad part is that there seems to be a lack of firewall protection on top of everything else [08:51] hi Cantide [08:52] hi '-' [08:52] but that is why I say security starts at home [08:52] ill get him to install gufw [08:52] even without a firewall you should have a secure setup on each and every local machine [08:52] write me a book [08:53] haha [08:53] secure setup on ubuntu [08:53] hehe [08:53] ubuntu is relatively ok by default [08:53] see his head is full of his work stuff and sorting win machines to work on the biometrics stuff [08:53] the problem is between the chair and the keyboard [08:54] lol [08:54] if you don't know what you're doing you can be dangerous [08:54] you think havp opened the port 8080 [08:54] yes [08:54] great [08:55] grate [08:55] if it was windows that machine would be owned by hackers now [08:55] eish [08:55] on win he uses zonealarm and virii stuff [08:56] dunno why he had havp installed [08:56] he dunno either [08:56] selinux - cause it is good enough for the NSA :p [08:57] Kilos: it sure didn't install itself [08:58] oh, install app A and it will sometimes install app B and some other goodies for you... [08:58] maybe he was playing in muon but he is always half asleep with that lung prob [08:58] oh this is in linux, not windows, never mind [08:58] lol [08:58] 12.04 kde [08:58] freenode banned him [08:58] hehe [08:59] lol [08:59] IP address ban? [08:59] something about open port 8080 [08:59] ah sounds familiar... [08:59] heard something about this some time ago... but mind a blank now :;/ [09:05] you coming to class tonight not_found ? [09:09] class? [09:10] * not_found is working day 8 of a possible 14 in a row so he is going home to eat and sleep [09:10] lpi class on #linux_studies [09:10] every friday evening [09:10] so the class is back on LPI now... [09:10] yeah [09:10] nice [09:10] time? [09:10] then python after [09:11] or wiki link :p [09:11] http://linux-studies.za.net/wiki/Main_Page [09:11] dunno if magespawn updated it yet [09:12] not yet [09:13] http://www.coverity.com/company/press-releases/read/coverity-finds-python-sets-new-level-of-quality-for-open-source-software from morgs on twitter [09:15] someone needs to tweet him and remind him there is such a thing as irc too [09:15] Maaz, seen morgs [09:15] Kilos: morgs was last seen 3 months, 18 days, 1 hour, 15 minutes and 5 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-05-14 10:00:39 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-05-15 09:29:24 SAST [09:17] magespawn, the router is the gateway here hey so whats the ping gateway there for [09:17] mustnt pc ping the gateway? [09:18] all this stuff is driving me nuts [09:19] if you ping your gateway from your pc then it will ping the router [09:19] if you ping the gateway from the router then it should ping the service providers gateway [09:20] ah [09:20] ty [09:21] some more info on havp http://www.server-side.de/ [09:22] maybe ian thought it would stop virii at the time [09:23] dangerous playing in muon and synaptic [09:23] the write ups dont explain everything [09:24] massive wind come up so methinks cold on its way soon [09:25] still very warm here [09:26] might be a good idea for work network, stop the virus before it get into your network [09:26] then you will be banned from here [09:27] ai! [09:27] leave it alone just put antiv in win machines [09:28] ineptro said that freenode objected to the open part of the proxy not the use of a proxy [09:28] ya and caused by havp [09:28] oh [09:30] you would need to set up havp so that the proxy is closed and not an open relay [09:31] not really important for ian though [10:00] so what time is the fun and games for LPI tonight... anyone have an idea? [10:31] 20:00 not_found [10:50] superfly kbmonkey i do still have a sign for the linux studies wiki, but i cannot seem to add an event to the google calender [10:58] sorry sent that twice [11:13] :/ 22:00 pm here is just to late for me... oh well, hope you guys have a good turn out :) === Cantide is now known as CanCycle [11:19] not_found: this is just for the live irc stuff you can stil join the wiki and i think there is a mailing list too and the time is variable [11:37] bbl [12:13] sigh [12:13] power got blown away with the big wind [12:14] must have been very big [12:14] thanks magespawn [12:14] blowing heavy here [12:19] pc decided it enjoyed being off so keeps rebooting [12:19] grrr === Kilos- is now known as Kilos [12:45] hi all [12:45] hi theblazehen [12:46] class tonight hey [12:46] you gotta learn hard and pass the lpi exam [12:46] Yeah :) === CanCycle is now known as Cantide [12:46] we need rich peeps here [12:46] hi Cantide [12:46] When do the exams start? [12:47] sweaty? [12:47] hello :) [12:47] a little [12:47] didn't sweat much in the rain :p [12:47] that you arange with some place to write them [12:47] i dont think they are fixed time things [12:47] ah ok [12:48] hopefully done with science expo code today [12:48] good [12:48] work dont chat [12:48] Yeah, almost done. Just waiting for script to finish, then see if it works [12:49] Then upload to a VPS [12:50] I *think* it's working. Giving expected CPU usage at least [12:50] hi people, you doing the linux studies thing tonight? [12:50] yeah charl [12:50] cool, if i can i'll help [12:50] well duh [12:51] im gonna lurk there till lpi finished [12:51] Working :P [12:51] oh you're going to be doing lpi? i thought you're doing python [12:51] At least the first part of script [12:51] the boss okes said we need proper basic knowledge first [12:52] ah o [12:52] k [12:52] Yes! It works!!!1!!1! [12:52] ok cool [12:52] good [12:53] i have used linux for so many years i have no idea what i do or don't know [12:53] about 13 years now, started with linux back in 2000 [12:53] lol then learn with us and teach what you do know [12:53] started with the original suse before novell bought them [12:54] ooh nice charl, did you know suse is sponsoring boerewors rolls at SFD? [12:54] lol interesting [12:56] afternoon [12:56] hi magespawn [12:56] hi magespawn [12:57] from the wikipage page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE [12:57] Novell was in turn acquired by The Attachmate Group on 27 April 2011.[5] Under its new owner, SUSE remained a separate company.[6] By June 2012, many former SUSE engineers who had been laid off during Novell's ownership had been brought back.[1] [12:57] seems like they are still primarily based in germany [12:58] I can't believe ALL my code works! (I think) [12:58] they say the wheel turns [12:58] no fair magespawn you got one answer to your mail already [12:58] our list is a bunch of email addicts [12:59] paste it theblazehen and we can test it too if you want [13:00] magespawn, lemme clean it up, then I'll put it on my githuib [13:00] cool beans [13:01] Kilos which list? [13:01] lug answered [13:01] lekker getting lug mail here as well [13:02] oh i wanted to ask, what is a lab like william is starting up [13:03] a lab is a place where you mix chemicals and blow the windows out [13:03] only if you are doing it wrong [13:04] no man right [13:04] if you do it wrong theres no reaction [13:04] Lol, true Kilos [13:04] :) [13:05] * not_found has worked in a lab before... it wasn't very exciting... [13:05] a computer lab = computer classroom = computer centre [13:06] a community one by the looks of it [13:08] I broke my css :( [13:08] so what kinda pcs stuff is william looking for [13:08] all modern stuff [13:12] hi space_ [13:12] Kilos: i think they will use anything they can get [13:13] even p3 size stuffs [13:13] sup nocware [13:14] Kilos, I have really old hardware. How old is p3? [13:14] Like 600MHz single core, 256MB ram kinda stuff [13:14] oh my [13:14] 450m cpu [13:14] Single core? [13:14] ya [13:14] obviously [13:14] :p [13:14] Might donate then [13:14] where? [13:15] durban [13:15] i have PC scraps in Durban [13:15] ah ok, too much of a drive then :/ [13:15] some stuff works, some doesn't, all mixed up [13:15] what scraps charl [13:15] there comes a time when the cost of running the hardware (electricity) isn't worth it on older hardware :/ [13:15] me first [13:16] old m/bs, CPUs, lots of dead DDR2 [13:16] ai1 Cantide [13:16] Cantide, How much ddr2? [13:16] idk [13:16] i have a few modules that are 1GB, iirc [13:16] ah ok, my pc is ddr2 [13:16] but they don't work, or are faulty [13:16] oh ok [13:17] but I have 3GB ram, so enough for now [13:17] ddr2 is latish [13:17] one or two *might* work, but i have nothing to test on, and they've been lying in a cupboard for years [13:17] mine still sdr [13:17] Saving up for like 64GB [13:17] o_O [13:17] o_O to both Kilos and theblazehen [13:17] lol Cantide [13:17] Wanna run a large, fast DB [13:17] i'll need to throw all this old hardware out in the next 4 weeks or so [13:17] it will go to charity or scavengers [13:17] Cantide, you know where too [13:17] to PTA? [13:18] if i can get it there >.< [13:18] ya inna bow with post office [13:18] ill pay postage [13:18] bow/box [13:18] especially scrap drives [13:18] then i'd strip it all down and throw out the cases and things [13:18] i need spares [13:18] ah [13:19] Cantide, how big are drives? [13:19] Currently using a 40 GB [13:19] there is an 80 GB [13:19] at my feet [13:19] i had windows on it [13:19] but the last time i tried it, it didn't boot [13:20] Ah ok, not even read? [13:20] send [13:20] other than that, i'll have to look and see what drives are lying around here [13:20] can't recall [13:20] i don't play with this stuff much :p I have my working PC, everything else just lies around :D [13:20] i must appeal on the list as well [13:20] :p [13:21] got some drives need lazer goodie others need platters others need control card [13:21] wow [13:21] that's serious effort :D [13:35] Kilos puts a lot of effort into fixing hardware that others have given up on [13:36] looks like hkis electricity is off again [13:37] Done! === Cantide is now known as CantiAFK [14:05] theblazehen: link? [14:07] Trying to fix "500 internal server error" first :/ [14:10] http://81.17.30.101/dalt/ should work magespawn [14:11] Apparently it wont.... I said SHOULD! [14:11] theblazehen: you can't redirect to localhost [14:12]