[00:00] <darkxst> jbicha, ha finally fixed the crappy gdm -> login transition ;)
[00:53] <darkxst> oh yay user sessions break XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP :(
[01:55] <bjsnider> why does it break it?
[01:55] <bjsnider> what is it set to? here it's gnome
[02:25] <darkxst> bjsnider, its no longer set withingthe environment that gnome-settings-daemon runs
[02:26] <darkxst> lightdm was patched, to fix this issue, but obviously not gdm
[02:31] <jbicha> I've had issues with $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP for a while now in Saucy, some times it wouldn't seem to work right for apps run from a terminal
[02:31] <jbicha> but it's working fine here now
[02:32] <jbicha> I think it would be a bit better if we sniffed dbus for whether Shell is running instead of using XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
[02:32] <jbicha> because Flashback is closer to Unity than GNOME Shell in many cases
[02:39] <darkxst> jbicha, this is a slightly different issue, gnome-session set XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
[02:39] <darkxst> so anything run as a upstart user session, won't have it set
[02:40] <darkxst> by all accounts Flashback is going to be messing no matter what we do!
[02:40] <darkxst> although perhaps it should just set its desktop session as unity
[02:45] <darkxst> jbicha, anyway have patched gdm to provide equivalent functionality
[02:54] <jbicha> yeah we could ping Edubuntu about whether they want to just pretend to be Unity; it might be too late to mess with this cycle
[03:02] <jbicha> darkxst: syslinux is still the Ubuntu purple with today's daily here
[03:03] <darkxst> jbicha, no way, you must have yesterdays
[03:05] <jbicha> I just zsynced, i386 and amd64 both
[03:06] <jbicha> the plymouth bootloader is the nice new one, but I still get the purple Ubuntu "press any key for accessibility" symbolic screen when booting the iso
[03:13] <jbicha> also with amd64 I'm getting the unity-greeter-style accessibility and network menus in ubiquity-standalone instead of the gnome-shell mode that I get with the i386 image
[03:14] <darkxst> jbicha, really sounds like you have an old image
[03:14] <darkxst> syslinux is now great
[03:14] <darkxst> grey
[03:16] <jbicha> oops, wrong directory
[03:17] <jbicha> I zsynced from my ubuntu directory not the ubuntu-gnome one
[03:25] <darkxst> lol, that would do it ;)
[03:25] <darkxst> bug 1212408
[03:26] <darkxst> patches are in there, although I guess where blocked by the freeze right now
[03:27] <jbicha> gdm's easy to get pushed through since no one else uses it
[03:28] <jbicha> and XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP not working is a fairly important bug
[03:29] <jbicha> you said you figured out a way to suppress the default wallpaper popping up during boot?
[03:30] <jbicha> no, maybe you just meant the zoom-in effect on login?
[03:31] <jbicha> the zoom effect is annoying because my computer is working too hard loading everything on login that the zoom effect loses too many frames to look cool
[03:35] <darkxst> jbicha, g-s-d was loading the background plugin
[03:35] <darkxst> I have disabled it
[03:35] <darkxst> (nothing to do with the zoom effect)
[03:35] <jbicha> what does that fix? and we still need the background plugin, right?
[03:42] <darkxst> jbicha, backgrounds are done in mutter
[03:42] <darkxst> the default background that was display before and after gdm was coming from g-s-d
[03:49] <darkxst> jbicha, so essentially we were running 2 different background plugins!
[04:09] <darkxst> jbicha, bug 1219148
[07:38] <theenduser> jbicha, I had no idea, thnx
[14:12] <sargorn> Hi, everyone!
[14:13] <sargorn> Is there any Ubuntu Gnome forum? I've got some issues with UG 13.10 A2 and need help solving them.
[16:39] <bjsnider> sargorn, i guess you could ask here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=329
[16:39] <bjsnider> or in this channel
[16:59] <checoimg> Hi
[17:00] <checoimg> I'm having trouble with Hibernation. The session saves fine but the networking applet says "Unmanaged" and can't get the command to make it get managed again. should I file a bug and where to ?
[17:01] <jbicha> checoimg: you might be able to workaround that resume bug by running sudo pkill NetworkManager
[17:02] <jbicha> you can report the bug by running ubuntu-bug linux
[17:02] <checoimg> and then Alt+F2 : NetworkManager ?
[17:03] <jbicha> if that command works right, it should automatically restart NM
[17:03] <checoimg> Ok
[17:03] <checoimg> I'll try now
[17:13] <checoimg> The bug appears to happen with hybrid hibernate because when hibernation is done the suspend session doesn't have anything on networking but that's just a guess
[17:13] <checoimg> let me try hybrid hibernation since I tried pm-hibernate
[17:13] <checoimg> back in 10 minutes
[17:27] <checoimg> jbicha : Thanks
[19:33] <theenduser> is there a keyboard shortcut for the notification bar (or w/e it's called)?
[19:50] <bjsnider> theenduser, super+m
[19:53] <theenduser> thnx again bjsnider :)
[19:53] <theenduser> saucy's rock solid atm
[19:53] <theenduser> some glitches w/ tweak-tool but that's it
[21:38] <darkxst> jbicha, seem input switching is just broken under Unity even without g-s-d 3.8?
[21:39] <jbicha> darkxst: bug 1201679