[06:05] <Kilos> morning all
[06:52] <kbmonkey> morning ZA
[09:12] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:27] <not_found> from the official IRC logs there has been two messages the whole day from here... so I will add one more... Hello :p
[09:28] <Kilos> morning not_found 
[09:28] <not_found> how are you today uncle Kilos?
[09:28] <Kilos> some peeps on #linux-studies too
[09:28] <Kilos> im good ty not_found and you? just cold again here
[09:29] <Kilos> wind coming off the snow on the berg
[09:33] <not_found> I'm OK thanks...
[09:33] <not_found> nice and sunny here :p
[09:33]  * Kilos jealous
[09:50] <not_found> and with nice and sunny |I mean hot as hell
[09:50] <not_found> ;)
[09:51] <Kilos> sigh
[09:52] <Kilos> sis just got some weather thing on tablet, says it is 11°c but feels like 9°c
[09:52] <Kilos> wind very cold
[09:52] <Kilos> and thats midday
[09:57] <not_found> k... 9 degC sucks but at least not going down to 0...
[09:57] <kbmonkey> lol
[09:57] <kbmonkey> :D
[09:57] <Kilos> ai!
[09:57] <kbmonkey> man I really hate this xfce open dialogue
[09:58]  * not_found needs to go again... bbl
[09:58] <Kilos> to make the degrees goodie i use compose key and double click o
[09:58] <Kilos> at least something ive remembered
[10:04] <kbmonkey> lol
[10:27] <charl> good afternoon all
[10:27] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[10:27]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[10:27] <Kilos> hi charl 
[10:27] <charl> hi Kilos, kbmonkey
[10:30] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[10:30] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[10:30] <Kilos> Maaz, rusks please
[10:30] <Maaz> behind the calender on top of the fridge, but dont tell everyone Kilos
[10:31] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[10:31] <Kilos> Maaz, gracias
[10:31] <Maaz> Kilos: ¡de nada!
[10:36] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[10:36] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[10:36] <charl> delicious, rusks, i haven't had those in ages
[10:36] <charl> i don't think they sell those in europe
[10:37] <Kilos> wow
[10:37] <Kilos> do they make buttermilk breads and buns
[10:38] <Kilos> then you can make your own rusks
[10:38] <charl> i don't think so
[10:38] <Kilos> google bakeries man
[10:38] <charl> in NL and DE we have a ridiculous variety of baked goods
[10:38] <charl> just not that :P
[10:39] <charl> by the way, i was just wondering
[10:39] <charl> do any of you people use rtorrent?
[10:39] <charl> the headless bittorrent client
[10:39] <Kilos> that sucks. coffee and rusks be lekker
[10:39] <charl> i just discovered a really strange thing, when i finish downloading a torrent it immediately stops seeding
[10:39] <charl> then i stop the torrent, start it back up again, and immediately it starts seeding again
[10:40] <charl> that without any custom configuration
[10:40] <charl> Kilos: in germany they have these coffee pastries, really delicious with coffee
[10:40] <charl> i should go across the border and buy a few again
[10:41] <Kilos> lol
[10:46] <charl> transmission is probably the worst bittorrent client of all times
[10:46] <charl> it constantly keeps thrasing the disk
[10:46] <charl> even when seeding
[10:46] <charl> ktorrent is actually a really powerful client
[10:47] <Kilos> explain seeding please
[10:48] <Kilos> Maaz, define seeding
[10:48] <Maaz> Kilos: Seed \Seed\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Seeded}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Seeding}.] 1. To sprinkle with seed; to plant seeds in; to sow; as, to seed a field. [1913 Webster]  2. To cover thinly with something scattered; to ornament with seedlike decorations. [1913 Webster]  A sable mantle seeded with waking eyes. --B. Jonson. [1913 Webster]  {To seed down}, to sow with
[10:48] <Maaz> grass seed. [1913 Webster]
[10:48] <charl> is when you upload data to other people
[10:48] <charl> other people who are downloading the torrent you already downloaded
[10:48] <charl> or you have partially downloaded
[10:48] <Kilos> oh i see
[10:48] <Kilos> torrent is using many download palces for on download right?
[10:49] <Kilos> places
[10:49] <charl> yes it's a distributed content distribution system
[10:49] <Kilos> like splitting the download 
[10:49] <charl> the idea that each person downloads and uploads to others
[10:49] <charl> you could say that yes
[10:49] <charl> for example, crunchbang is only distributed via bittorrent (last i checked)
[10:50] <charl> and it's nice to contribute by seeding it again for others
[10:50] <Kilos> so seeding is your bit its feeding?
[10:50] <charl> yes
[10:50] <Kilos> yeah i remember i downloaded crunchband and it was very fast download
[10:50] <charl> yes i downloaded it at work, i got about 70MBps download
[10:51] <Kilos> wow
[10:51] <charl> that's megabyte, not megabit
[10:51] <Kilos> i understand B as to b
[10:51] <charl> yup
[10:51] <Kilos> 1 byte = 8 bits
[10:52] <charl> i'm on gigabit ethernet but i was quite surprised myself because mostly if you download via http it's around 20-30MBps from the internet
[10:52] <Kilos> whew
[10:52] <charl> exactly so we're talking around 7*8=560mbps
[10:52] <charl> plus protocol overhead
[10:53] <charl> there's also latency and packet loss and a whole lot of things that contribute to speed
[10:53] <Kilos> and per sec normally written /s
[10:53] <charl> depends on who you ask :)
[10:54] <Kilos> i dont ask i see output when downloading or upgrading
[10:54] <charl> but that's acceptable yes
[10:54] <charl> lol
[10:54] <Kilos> i watch whole thing
[10:55] <Kilos> i enjoy watching upgrade details
[10:55] <Kilos> you see the tiny and large packages
[10:55] <kbmonkey> am back
[10:55] <Kilos> wb kbmonkey 
[10:57] <kbmonkey> thanks
[10:58]  * psychicist is back from Polish class and the supermarket, it's time for putting pizza into the oven now
[10:58] <psychicist> hi charl 
[10:58] <psychicist> hi Snowy 
[10:59] <psychicist> these three users even exist, Time back oven
[11:01] <kbmonkey> hmm pizza
[11:06] <charl> hi psychicist 
[11:08] <kbmonkey> so pyweek starts in 12 hours
[11:08] <kbmonkey> who in here wants to code a python game in 7 days?
[11:08] <Kilos> pyweek?
[11:08] <Kilos> hehe
[11:09] <kbmonkey>  entrants to write a game in one week from scratch either as an individual or in a team
[11:10] <Kilos> whew you need peeps like fly and weed on your team
[11:10] <Kilos> but they aint go time
[11:10] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[11:11] <Kilos> didnt see you pop in
[11:24] <kbmonkey> man I need to get some food in this place
[11:25] <charl> do any of you people know much about alsa and using it with a window manager like i3
[11:25] <charl> i am having a really irritating problem
[11:25] <charl> every time i unplug my headphones from my laptop my speaker sound is set to mute
[11:26] <charl> and i can't get it unmuted except by opening alsamixer
[11:26] <charl> previously while running kde4 i could just increase my volume again in the normal fashion by using fn+left and right arrow keys
[11:26] <Kilos> dont unplug headfones
[11:27] <charl> nah man i don't want to wear them all the time :P
[11:27] <Kilos> lol
[11:27] <kbmonkey> that is weird charl
[11:27] <charl> it's sweaty in the summer
[11:27] <charl> it's hot now
[11:27] <charl> yeah kbmonkey 
[11:27] <kbmonkey> lag
[11:28] <Kilos> use external speakers
[11:28] <kbmonkey> as in ping lag not lol
[11:28] <kbmonkey> hmm, must be a config issue
[11:28] <charl> in my ~/.i3/config i have the following two lines
[11:28] <charl> bindsym XF86AudioRaiseVolume exec amixer -q set Master 2dB+ unmute
[11:28] <charl> bindsym XF86AudioLowerVolume exec amixer -q set Master 2dB- unmute
[11:28] <kbmonkey> could be a bug
[11:28] <charl> i don't have a mute/unmute button on my laptop
[11:29] <charl> at work i have a mute/unmute button on my keyboard and i use an additional line
[11:29] <charl> bindsym XF86AudioMute exec amixer -q -D pulse set Master 1+ toggle
[11:29] <charl> that works fine
[11:29] <kbmonkey> what version of alsa is it charl?
[11:29] <charl> latest version with ubuntu 13.04, lemme check
[11:29] <charl> amixer version 1.0.25
[11:30] <kbmonkey> my laptop with headphones does not auto mute on unplug
[11:30] <charl> i don't mind it i just want to be able to recover it again without opening alsamixer
[11:30] <charl> amixer doesn't do the job
[11:31] <charl> unmute doesn't work
[11:31] <charl> alsamixer works as expected though
[11:31] <charl> it must have something to do with amixer in other words
[11:31] <charl> i have googled around but couldn't find a solution yet
[11:33] <kbmonkey> try "amixer set Master toggle"
[11:33] <kbmonkey> hello?..
[11:33] <kbmonkey> hang on.. restting 3g...
[11:33] <charl> yes i tried that but didn't work
[11:34] <kbmonkey> does it toggle mute if you keep alsamixer in a oen window?
[11:34] <kbmonkey> open
[11:34] <charl> actually, muting works, it's just the unmute
[11:34] <charl> it mutes it but doesn't unmute
[11:34] <kbmonkey> it mutes and unutes each time 
[11:35] <charl> nah first time it mutes fine but then second time it does nothing
[11:35] <charl> just keeps it muted
[11:36] <kbmonkey> that is bizarre
[11:36] <charl> if i unmute it with alsamixer it mutes it again
[11:36] <kbmonkey> so alsamixer shows it as unuted?
[11:36] <charl> but then keeps it muted doesn't matter how many times i toggle
[11:36] <charl> no alsamixer shows it as muted
[11:36] <kbmonkey> but it does not unmute
[11:36] <kbmonkey> with amixer
[11:36] <charl> yes precisely
[11:37] <charl> but i mean in the two above keyboard bindings it should unmute it in any case
[11:37] <charl> the minute i adjust the volume
[11:38] <charl> hey wait a minute
[11:38] <charl> this does work: amixer -q -D pulse set Master 1+ toggle
[11:38] <charl> sorry lemme just try something
[11:39] <kbmonkey> not sure why you have +1 in there
[11:39] <charl> ok found the problem, i need -D pulse
[11:39] <charl> that makes the difference
[11:39] <kbmonkey> was about to suggest you run amixer sscontrols to see the list of devices :D
[11:39] <charl> yeah i can take that out
[11:40] <kbmonkey> bha humbug. laggy typing
[11:40] <kbmonkey> but you had -D pulse in your first command. how is that different?
[11:41] <charl> no only in the toggle
[11:41] <charl> in the volume up/down i didn't have that
[11:41] <charl> i'll experiment with putting that in, that might solve the problem
[11:42] <kbmonkey> ah :)
[11:42] <charl> the toggle i use at work because my keyboard has a mute button
[11:42] <charl> i don't have that on my laptop
[11:42] <kbmonkey> ideally it should auto unmute, hey ;)
[11:42] <charl> never realised that could be the issue until now
[11:42] <charl> yeah it's very strange
[11:42] <kbmonkey> sounds like a bug
[11:43] <charl> probably is yes
[11:43] <charl> ok well at least now i understand the problem (to some extent) so we made some progress
[11:43] <charl> thanks for the help :)
[11:45] <Kilos> kbmonkey, Telkom Mobile has rolled out over 1500 WiFi hotspots, offering an hour of usage to anyone.
[11:45] <Kilos> http://www.facebook.com/l/VAQG1NEwn/technology.iafrica.com/news/technology/877574.html
[11:45] <kbmonkey> yw charl !
[11:45] <Kilos> maybe you lucky
[11:45] <kbmonkey> looks like quiete a few people have that issue
[11:45] <kbmonkey> quite*
[11:49] <kbmonkey> only 1 hour of internet ? bah humbug
[11:49] <kbmonkey> I need 1x24 hours of internets :)
[11:49] <Kilos> lol i have 10g wifi data that for some reason just doesnt expire
[11:50] <Kilos> came with topups free 2g a time
[11:51] <Kilos> but you should chaeck if you get the connection man. isnt wifi cheaper than mobile
[11:53] <kbmonkey> its not much of price but stability - these 2g things go up and down like a yoyo
[11:53] <kbmonkey> lol
[11:53] <charl> in NL the biggest cable company (ziggo) came out with a service that turned every cable modem into a wifi hotspot
[11:53] <charl> but it's only available for use by other ziggo customers
[11:54] <charl> it went wrong on my router though so i disabled it
[11:54] <charl> good idea but bad execution it seems
[11:55] <charl> i have the ubee evw3200 which is one of the most standard cable modems around here
[11:55] <charl> had to reset the thing a dozen times to get my connection working properly again after disabling wifispots
[11:57] <kbmonkey> eish. seems like technology is a monster unto itself!
[11:57] <kbmonkey> it's own worst enemy, hehe
[11:58] <charl> i just blame it on lack of testing and bad execution
[11:58] <charl> i just want my connection to work, i don't care about the rest :)
[11:58] <kbmonkey> yes!
[12:01] <charl> i'm quite happy with the dell optiplex i have at work
[12:02] <charl> apparently it uses less than 20 watt during idle
[12:02] <charl> and the cpu temperature remains at a constant 21 degrees irrespective of the load
[12:02] <charl> that's cool to the touch, impressive
[12:04] <charl> my laptop runs a little hotter, at around 50 degrees
[12:04] <charl> but it's also a laptop :P
[12:05] <kbmonkey> does the optiplex have a ssd drive?
[12:07] <charl> no regular magnetic disks
[12:07] <charl> 2x internal 1x external connected via usb 3.0 (for backups)
[12:08] <kbmonkey> wow it runs very cool then!
[12:08] <charl> first is about half a terabyte (main system disk) and second is a terabyte (data disk)
[12:08] <charl> and then 2TB for backups
[12:08] <kbmonkey> the pyweek theme is only announces at 2am local time. 
[12:08] <charl> the hard drives run slightly hotter at around 40 degrees each
[12:09] <kbmonkey> maybe I will wake up at 4am to get going on that 
[12:09] <kbmonkey> someone is doing wheel spins outside again
[12:10] <kbmonkey> they do this any time of day or night
[12:10] <charl> barbarians
[12:10] <kbmonkey> petrol heads
[12:12] <charl> benzinkopfen
[12:14] <kbmonkey> benzin! what a good song!
[12:14] <charl> rammstein?
[12:14] <kbmonkey> saw Rammstein perform that live. it was great.
[12:14] <kbmonkey> so much of fire on stage!
[12:15] <charl> yeah they are known for their special effects
[12:15] <kbmonkey> its one show Id want to see again
[12:15] <charl> never saw an actual performance of them but the videos are cool
[12:15] <charl> didn't they also perform in some movie?
[12:15] <kbmonkey> not that I know of..
[12:16] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXX_%28film%29
[12:16] <charl> knew it was some movie with vin diesel
[12:16] <charl> just forgot the name
[12:17] <charl> they opened, i thought it was also with big amounts of fire, i thought it was feuer frei
[12:18] <charl> yes ! i remember right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feuer_frei!
[12:18] <charl> "The song is featured in the film xXx, it is also featured during the CSI episode "Slaves of Las Vegas"."
[12:18] <kbmonkey> xxx is such a porno film title
[12:18] <charl> i thought so too
[12:19] <charl> maybe that was what they were going for
[12:19] <charl> now you must go google for "xxx film" and be careful what results you pull :P
[12:19] <kbmonkey> ah no worries I google that all the time!
[12:20] <charl> lol
[12:20] <kbmonkey> jokes
[12:20] <charl> a friend told me to google "japanese newsreader" once
[12:20] <charl> i thought what could be wrong with that right
[12:20] <charl> be careful when you include japanese in anything
[12:21] <kbmonkey> lol! yes it is a alien culture indeed
[12:21] <kbmonkey> like my sister telling me of this prank involving velociraptors
[12:22] <kbmonkey> http://io9.com/this-terrifying-raptor-chase-is-the-most-traumatic-pran-1210483692
[12:22] <charl> oh yes
[12:23] <charl> i saw that actually
[12:23] <kbmonkey> that guy must have peep himself. lol
[12:23] <charl> it was on the front page of youtube in fact at one point
[12:23] <charl> no but seriously that thing looks realistic
[12:23] <kbmonkey> ah. I dont visit youtube much - must have missed it
[12:23] <charl> like it just came out of a movie or something
[12:24] <kbmonkey> it so well done! only the second time did I notice the man legs underneath it :p
[12:24] <charl> yes me too i thought what has animatronics gone this far already
[12:24] <kbmonkey> its RMS in JHB today
[12:26] <charl> isn't software freedom day over more than two weeks?
[12:27] <kbmonkey> this is not software freedom day, only the RMS tour thingy
[12:27] <charl> oh i see
[12:27] <kbmonkey> unfortunately his schedule does not coincide with SFD
[12:27] <kbmonkey> but he does talk about it
[12:28] <charl> seems to be on 21 september this year according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Freedom_Day
[12:28] <charl> doesn't matter
[12:28] <charl> it would be interesting to hear him talk
[12:28] <charl> will somebody upload a video?
[12:29] <kbmonkey> apparently they will be recording it
[12:29] <kbmonkey> notably with non-free codecs. he must be furious about that :D
[12:31] <charl> lol and upload it to youtube instead of bittorrent :P
[12:33] <charl> hi Cantide 
[12:33] <charl> how's it going
[12:33] <Cantide> hello '<
[12:33] <Cantide> it is going well :)
[12:33] <Cantide> what about you?
[12:34] <charl> good good
[12:34] <Cantide> :3
[12:34] <charl> how's it going with your korean
[12:34] <Cantide> not too great :p
[12:34] <Cantide> it will improve when i get there :)
[12:35] <Cantide> which should be in about 4 weeks
[12:35] <Cantide> '<
[12:35] <charl> yes exactly
[12:35] <charl> oh great !
[12:35] <charl> is this a one-way ticket?
[12:35] <Cantide> yeah~~ i got a job in Seoul
[12:35] <Cantide> i don't know yet
[12:35] <Cantide> the employer will provide the ticket
[12:35] <charl> oh i see
[12:35] <Cantide> just waiting for it now
[12:35] <charl> sounds great
[12:35] <Cantide> but i think i need a return ticket
[12:35] <Cantide> as my visa will be for a year, which i can extend
[12:36] <charl> that's strange
[12:36] <Cantide> why?
[12:36] <charl> they shouldn't require a return ticket then
[12:36] <Cantide> well, after a year i need to get out
[12:36] <Cantide> so i think they need assurance of that
[12:36] <kbmonkey> hello Cantide 
[12:36] <Cantide> but then i can go straight back and get another visa :p
[12:36] <charl> who books a flight a year in advance
[12:36] <Cantide> hey kbmonkey :)
[12:36] <Cantide> ah, right
[12:36] <kbmonkey> okay.. Im gonna try compile sfml now... holds fingers
[12:36] <Cantide> so i'm not sure about the return trip and when it'll be :p
[12:36] <Kilos> im sure you can just go out and back in
[12:37] <Kilos> maybe next day
[12:37] <Cantide> Kilos, yes, that is correct :p
[12:37] <Kilos> just go to neighbours and back
[12:37] <Kilos> no need to come all the way here
[12:37] <Cantide> i might just hop over to Japan, see my brother and then go back :p
[12:37] <Kilos> yeah
[12:37] <Cantide> yup
[12:37] <Cantide> but this isn't an immediate concern, so i haven't looked into it much :p
[12:37] <charl> oh i still want to go to japan at some point
[12:38] <charl> i think you can even take a ferry from korea to japan
[12:38] <Cantide> cool :)
[12:38] <Cantide> yeah, it's close
[12:38] <charl> i looked at it a couple of years back
[12:38] <Cantide> from Busan I assume
[12:38] <charl> i wanted to go to s.korea then take a ferry to japan and fly back from japan
[12:38] <Cantide> but i don't know which city in Japan it would go to
[12:38] <charl> never went through with it though
[12:38] <Kilos> does the ferry take you through customs
[12:38] <Cantide> charl, sounds like a nice trip :)
[12:39] <Cantide> Kilos, probably
[12:39] <Kilos> thats all they wanna see, customs out then back
[12:39] <charl> you should be able to take the train from there (i assume)
[12:39] <Cantide> train from where to where?
[12:39] <charl> i would go to kyoto, tokyo and osaka probably
[12:39] <charl> maybe some other large cities
[12:39] <Cantide> oh right
[12:39] <Cantide> yeah, kyoto has been on my bucket list for ages :)
[12:39] <Cantide> and tokyo now :p
[12:40] <Cantide> my brother is in Saitama, so seeing Tokyo will be easy with him
[12:40] <charl> tokyo has akihabara, the otaku capital of the world
[12:41] <Cantide> yup :)
[12:41] <Cantide> my brother is often there looking for gadgets
[12:41] <charl> can't pass up an opportunity to buy some manga and doujinshi
[12:41] <Cantide> what's doujinshi?
[12:41] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C5%8Djinshi
[12:42] <Cantide> oh, nice :D
[12:43] <charl> for the "alternative minded" you can also get goods like a dakimakura http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakimakura
[12:43] <charl> for the "forever alone" i mean :D
[12:43] <Cantide> oh, hahaha
[12:44] <charl> there are a bunch of other things you can buy which i will not mention on this channel because it all goes downhill from there
[12:44] <charl> :P
[12:45] <Cantide> haha
[12:45] <Cantide> maybe that's why my brother likes akihabara :p
[12:46] <charl> lol you never know what you mind find coming out of the closet when you visit his house :P
[12:46] <charl> *might
[12:47] <Cantide> looooooooooooool
[12:47] <Cantide> yeah, now i'm scared to go there :p
[12:56] <kbmonkey> hmm who mentioned pizza? I am hungary :D
[12:57] <charl> Cantide: here's what i'm talking about http://www.dannychoo.com/en/post/27033/Akihabara+Shops+10.html
[12:57] <Cantide> scooter's honey mustard pizza is a winner :p
[12:57]  * Cantide clicks
[12:57] <charl> a few things are blocked out, for a reason :P
[12:57] <charl> oh yes i want a pizza now too
[12:57] <charl> i am going to go out to get food shortly anyway
[12:58] <kbmonkey> I want a pepper and mushroom pizza
[12:59] <kbmonkey> good idea, actually need to go to the shops anyway
[12:59] <charl> i usually go for sundried tomato, mozarella cheese and a lot of cayenne
[12:59] <charl> *mozzarella
[13:02] <kbmonkey> who is general failure, and why is he reading my disk?!
[13:03] <charl> lol
[13:03] <charl> who is peer and why does he keep resetting my connection
[13:04] <Cantide> charl, really cool figurines! :D
[13:07] <charl> yup that's only the start though :P
[13:07] <kbmonkey> haha
[13:07] <charl> but if you are looking to visit japan though, there is a _huge_ amount of photos and info on that site
[13:10] <Cantide> heh
[13:10] <Cantide> i'm not too much into anime and that kind of thing anymore
[13:10] <Cantide> more interested in nature and temples
[13:10] <Cantide> and then a few skyscrapers and electronics on the way :p
[13:12] <charl> http://www.dannychoo.com/en/posts/category/visit
[13:12]  * Cantide clicks
[13:13] <charl> another place i definitely want to visit is shibuya
[13:13] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibuya,_Tokyo
[13:13] <Cantide> i was just looking at that :D
[13:13] <Cantide> yeah, Shibuya looks cool
[13:13] <charl> and ginza http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginza
[13:14] <charl> this also looks good http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikebukuro
[13:15] <charl> oh and in the night most definitely roppongi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roppongi
[13:16] <charl> that's in and around tokyo but there are also some other nice cities like yokohama http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yokohama
[13:20] <Cantide> yeah :D Japan has a lot to see
[13:20] <Cantide> would be nice to go there a few times :)
[13:20] <charl> ok enough internet touring
[13:20] <charl> i need to leave the house to do shopping ... :)
[13:20] <Cantide> I'll probably live in Sinchon in Seoul, and work in Yeouido :p
[13:20] <Cantide> ah
[13:20] <Cantide> enjoy :p
[13:20] <Cantide> going to Akihabara? :p
[13:20] <charl> lol no that's a bit far
[13:20] <charl> more like the local albert heijn and the town market
[13:21] <charl> bbl
[13:22] <Cantide> :D
[14:27] <kbmonkey> I need shopping too, lol
[14:27] <kbmonkey> a pity there are no night stores here!
[14:38] <charl> kbmonkey: what for a timezone are you in
[14:39] <charl> oh, and back :)
[14:39] <charl> and bought a pizza!
[15:18] <Kilos> hi JoTraGo 
[15:22] <Kilos> wb snowy
[15:29] <Kilos> hi nocware you winning?
[15:32] <nocware> Everything is fine Kilos.
[15:33] <charl> hi nocware 
[15:33] <Kilos> great well done
[15:33] <nocware> Sup charl
[15:35] <nocware> Btw Kilos do u mind giving me that manual link again?
[15:35] <Kilos> np
[15:37] <nocware> Ok.
[15:37] <Kilos> im just trying to find it
[15:39] <nocware> That's fine
[15:39] <Kilos> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf
[15:44] <kbmonkey> charl, I am in +2 timezone
[15:44] <charl> oh ok :0
[15:44] <charl> :)
[15:44] <Kilos> he be a banana boy
[15:48] <kbmonkey> XD
[15:48] <Kilos> they fighting hard at the moment against them vaalies
[15:55] <Kilos> nocware, did you see the link
[15:55] <Kilos> ?
[16:10] <nocware> Yes Kilos
[16:10] <Kilos> cool
[16:50] <Kilos> yay sharks win
[16:54] <theblazehen> Hey guys! Just got back from SFD!
[16:55] <Kilos> wb
[16:55] <theblazehen> ty Kilos 
[16:57] <charl> hi theblazehen 
[16:57] <charl> how was it theblazehen 
[16:57] <charl> pics or it didn't happen :)
[16:57] <charl> we want to see the evidence
[16:58] <theblazehen> Great :)
[16:58] <charl> wow you had your one early
[16:58] <charl> the official one is only on the 21st
[16:58] <theblazehen> Only have a pic of RMS. Normal camera on phone wont work
[16:58] <theblazehen> yeah
[16:58] <theblazehen> And phone dead
[16:58] <charl> bah
[16:58] <charl> in amsterdam it's also a week early
[16:59] <charl> haven't decided whether i'm going yet or not
[16:59] <charl> it's far from here - about 2,5 hours on the train
[16:59] <Kilos> ai!
[16:59] <Kilos> too far
[16:59] <theblazehen> yeah
[16:59] <charl> i've done the trip a lot but i have to have motivation
[16:59] <charl> let's see how the weather looks on the 18th
[17:03] <theblazehen> Richard stallman is awesome :)
[17:06] <charl> i can't wait to see the recording
[17:06] <charl> please ping me with the url when you have it
[17:07] <theblazehen> will do
[17:11] <kbmonkey> cool theblazehen :D
[17:11] <kbmonkey> did he rip anyone apart for asking a question? ;)
[17:11] <theblazehen> Nope :(
[17:12] <charl> is he that terrible?
[17:12] <kbmonkey> he is known to do that and must be a sight to witness 
[17:12] <theblazehen> Yeah :)
[17:12] <kbmonkey> only when the question deserves it of course!
[17:12] <theblazehen> I need to find a video on -youtube- I mean online
[17:12] <theblazehen> True kbmonkey 
[17:13] <kbmonkey> he is just very passionate is all.
[17:13] <kbmonkey> I'd rather have him than steve balmer ha ha
[17:13] <theblazehen> I saw :D
[17:13] <theblazehen> Even convinced my friend to use retroshare
[17:15] <charl> i've never used that either
[17:15] <charl> retroshare
[17:15] <theblazehen> Basically friend to friend network
[17:16] <charl> i need to try it
[17:16] <charl> i am using xmpp right now for instant messaging
[17:16] <theblazehen> With chatrooms, forums, file sharing, and private messaging
[17:16] <charl> sounds good
[17:16] <theblazehen> charl, if you do, you can add my key
[17:16] <charl> ok lemme put it on my list for the coming week
[17:16] <theblazehen> ok
[17:16] <charl> i'll ping you when i have it set up
[17:17] <theblazehen> awesome
[17:18] <charl> it's decentralised - does that mean you need a static ip?
[17:18] <charl> or does it have some centralised tracker?
[17:19] <theblazehen> Nah, not sure how it does it, but most of my friends have dynamic
[17:19] <theblazehen> and it uses DHT
[17:19] <theblazehen> distributed hash tables
[17:20] <charl> hmmm i'm curious about how the protocol works
[17:20] <charl> DHT is great but you need a starting point
[17:21] <theblazehen> Yeah, maybe when IP changes, you connect to friends with old IP, and tell them of new IP
[17:23] <charl> yeah but what if you go offline and all of your friends ips change
[17:23] <charl> these fully distributed networks give me some concerns
[17:24] <charl> but maybe i need to understand it better
[17:24] <theblazehen> yeah, well I never had problems
[17:26] <charl> yeah sorry i'm just one of those people i want to try and understand how everything works :)
[17:26] <theblazehen> Same here :D
[17:28] <kbmonkey> think I heard of retroshare before,
[17:28] <kbmonkey> is that where content is distributed across an encrypted network eh
[17:29] <theblazehen> yeah
[17:29] <theblazehen> but only friend to friend
[17:31] <theblazehen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_lists wow...
[17:31] <kbmonkey> lol
[17:33] <kbmonkey> http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Recursion
[17:35] <charl> lol
[17:35] <kbmonkey> so retroshare is a UI wrapper for pgp
[17:35] <kbmonkey> with protocals for transferring data
[17:35] <kbmonkey> err, protocols
[17:35] <charl> i think it's a little more complicated than that
[17:36] <charl> i am interested in how the peer discovery works though
[17:36] <charl> that has always been the most tricky part in any distributed effort
[17:36] <theblazehen> kbmonkey, sorta
[17:36] <kbmonkey> with added bling :)
[17:36] <theblazehen> charl, yeah me too. If you find a good explanation, let me know?
[17:36] <charl> i was watching the p2p-dns initiative a few years back
[17:37] <charl> it was one of the most active channels on efnet at the time
[17:37] <charl> but met an early demise
[17:37] <theblazehen> charl, like namecoin?
[17:37] <charl> haven't properly looked at namecoin yet
[17:37] <theblazehen> ah ok
[17:37] <theblazehen> I'm gonna need to
[17:38] <theblazehen> Awesome speaker at SFD has a .name site
[17:46] <charl> i'm looking at the wiki and it seems like it is using a combination of upnp and dht
[17:46] <charl> if you don't have upnp you need to either configure port forwarding manually
[17:47] <charl> or you need to make use of the relay servers
[17:48] <charl> the german wikipedia article mentions relays, not even the english wikipedia page
[17:48] <charl> "Unterstützung von Relay, diese funktionieren ähnlich wie ein Proxy, optimal um eine dichte Firewall zu umgehen."
[17:49] <kbmonkey> count von Relay - :D
[17:49] <kbmonkey> I know the words but the concepts elude me
[17:51] <charl> it means support of relay, this functions as a proxy in order to go past a closed firewall
[17:52] <charl> i don't see any mention of stun
[17:52] <kbmonkey> so your pc can initiate connections?
[17:52] <charl> no it's because you can't connect directly between two hosts
[17:52] <charl> i hate firewalls and nat
[17:53] <charl> i want ipv6 :)
[17:53] <kbmonkey> maybe we should start with the networking section in the LPI ;)
[17:54] <charl> stun was developed just to get past nat routing
[17:55] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STUN
[17:56] <charl> retroshare uses upnp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Plug_and_Play
[17:57] <kbmonkey> that is interesting
[17:57] <charl> that in turn uses this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Gateway_Device_Protocol
[18:10] <theblazehen> Interesting.
[18:10] <theblazehen> I hate going on wikipedia trips :(
[18:11] <theblazehen> At least when I have stuff to do
[18:19] <kbmonkey> really feel like going to bed already, heh
[18:19] <charl> lol
[18:20] <charl> this is also quite interesting: http://www.maketecheasier.com/how-bittorrent-dht-peer-discovery-works/2013/06/14
[18:20] <charl> the main problem is bootstrapping
[18:20] <charl> that's where you need to connect to a known host to get the first few peers
[18:21] <charl> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9451424/where-can-i-find-a-list-of-bittorent-dht-bootstrap-nodes
[18:22] <charl> that's the only part that isn't fully dynamic and distributed
[18:22] <charl> but you need it
[18:25] <charl> bah peer again
[18:37] <adeebnqo> Hello everybody
[18:39] <charl> hi adeebnqo 
[18:39] <adeebnqo> howzit?
[18:40] <charl> good you
[18:42] <adeebnqo> awesome. do you have any experience with cinnamon on ubuntu? my interface has been hanging alot these days -- was just wondering what could possibly be the reason
[18:43] <charl> only experimented with it but haven't used it on a day-to-day basis
[18:43] <charl> my experience has been that it is not terribly stable (yet)
[18:46] <adeebnqo> oh ok, thnx.
[18:55] <inetpro> good evening
[18:56] <adeebnqo> ehy
[19:06] <inetpro> Kilos: lekker koud vanaand?
[19:22] <magespawn> Good evening
[19:52] <Kilos> skuus man inetpro ek was vas aan die slaap onder die komberse
[19:52] <Kilos> vrek koud
[19:52] <inetpro> ai! :-)
[19:52] <inetpro> geen probleem meneer
[19:52] <inetpro> is baie koud ja
[19:53]  * inetpro was heeldag sonder krag
[19:53] <inetpro> wel eintlik al van gister 13:00 al
[19:54] <Kilos> i dont often take an hour to answer
[19:54] <Kilos> ai! dis sleg
[19:54] <inetpro> darem weer vanaf 20:00 aan
[19:56] <inetpro> maar eers nadat ek gekla het by 'n vriend wat iemand ken
[19:56] <Kilos> ai!
[19:56] <inetpro> fuse was by my paal geblaas
[19:57] <Kilos> jou pc eet te veel krag
[19:57] <magespawn> Hey Kilos Inetpro
[19:57] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[19:57] <inetpro> nee man, gister se skielike wind gewees
[19:58] <Kilos> ja ons krag was 2 keer vir dire ure af van daai wind
[19:58] <Kilos> baie kwaai wind
[19:58] <Kilos> tot groen moerbye van boom af gewaai
[19:59] <Kilos> en as jy probeer nie rypes plug dan sukkel jy
[19:59] <inetpro> hi magespawn
[20:00] <inetpro> Kilos: sjoe
[20:00] <Kilos> gaan dit anders goed daar inetpro 
[20:01] <Kilos> jy nog gesond? en familie
[20:01] <inetpro> geen klagtes nie dankie
[20:01] <inetpro> was eintlik 'n lekker dag vandag, net koud
[20:02] <Kilos> ja ek het rukke gaan le om op te warm en sommer aan die slaap geraak
[20:03] <Kilos> rukke/rikkie
[20:03] <inetpro> :-)
[20:03]  * inetpro gaan nou slaap
[20:03] <Kilos> lekker innie bed
[20:03] <Kilos> lekker slaap ou
[20:03] <inetpro> te moeg om nog te wag tot 23:00 vir die baie 8ta data wat nog oor is
[20:04] <Kilos> ai!
[20:04] <Kilos> at
[20:04] <inetpro> wens ek kon dit vir jou gee
[20:04] <Kilos> wget iets
[20:04] <Kilos> haha
[20:06] <magespawn> Just something, anything really
[20:06] <Kilos> yeah
[20:07] <Kilos> dont lose data without trying
[20:07] <Kilos> oh my he only has 1 hour
[20:07] <inetpro> good night everyone
[20:07] <Kilos> that sucks
[20:08] <Kilos> night inetpro 
[20:08] <Kilos> sleep warm
[20:11] <theblazehen> night guys
[20:12] <Vince-0> cyaar
[20:12] <magespawn> Night theblazehen
[20:18] <Kilos> just wanna try see if it bans me if i use ians nick
[20:18] <Wolfeyes> i dunno the password
[20:19] <Wolfeyes> or maybe they unbanned him
[20:20] <Wolfeyes> isnt it supposed to timeout if you dont identify
[20:22] <magespawn> It should if the nick is registered
[20:24] <Wolfeyes> ya it says its registered but no timeout
[20:24] <Wolfeyes> maybe they sorry for banning him so long
[20:24] <Wolfeyes> hehe
[20:28] <kbmonkey> hey what is going on here? lol
[20:28] <kbmonkey> who is who in the zoo
[20:29] <Kilos> ian was banned and we tried sort his prob for him and he mailed freenode to unban him
[20:29] <Kilos> so i tried his nick
[20:30] <kbmonkey> ah
[20:30] <Kilos> had an 8080 open proxy so they banned him
[20:30] <Kilos> and he didnt know why or how
[20:30] <kbmonkey> the freenode help channel might be able to help
[20:30] <Kilos> but the pro gave some commands and we found havp installed
[20:31] <Kilos> he could get on at all
[20:31] <Kilos> just left him an email addy to mail once 8080 wasnt open proxy any more
[20:32] <kbmonkey> still waiting for a reply on that?
[20:32] <Kilos> he hasnt tried to get on again yet
[20:33] <Kilos> too busy and too tired
[20:33] <kbmonkey> okay. 
[20:33] <Kilos> gets home whenever and sleeps
[20:34] <kbmonkey> shame man
[20:34] <Kilos> yeah but getting better slowly
[20:34] <Kilos> got 46% of lungs working again'
[20:34] <Kilos> was 20% about 7 months ago
[20:36] <kbmonkey> that is amazing
[20:37] <Kilos> but now i wont know if its his nick that was banned or his pc
[20:37] <magespawn> Thats goog news
[20:37] <kbmonkey> there is also the #freenode channel for support if he does not get a reply from email
[20:37] <Kilos> yeah he has some weird virus and 18 months deep sea diamond diving crystalised his lungs
[20:37] <magespawn> Good too
[20:38] <Kilos> nearly vrekked
[20:38] <Kilos> ya they help me when i have probs
[20:38] <Kilos> now he is being innoculated with his own blood
[20:39] <Kilos> out arm and in bum near bottom spine
[20:39] <Kilos> and is working so far
[20:39] <Kilos> where no meds could help
[20:39] <kbmonkey> these doctors are too clever man
[20:40] <magespawn> Sometimes
[20:40] <Kilos> ordinary docs said sorry we cant help you
[20:40] <Kilos> he is now seeing a md /homeopath oke
[20:41] <Kilos> using himself to fight himself
[20:41] <Kilos> hehe
[20:44] <kbmonkey> so we are all night owls tonight
[20:45] <Kilos> i slept i dunno how many hours already
[20:45] <Kilos> but if ian dont come on soon will go crash more
[20:45] <Kilos> very lekker in bed
[20:47] <kbmonkey> ja that bed does look good!
[20:47] <Kilos> hehe
[20:48] <kbmonkey> was thinking to get to bed early to wake up at 4 or 5
[20:48] <Kilos> why so early
[20:48] <kbmonkey> early bird catches the worm
[20:48] <Kilos> lol
[20:48] <Kilos> too cold for worms
[20:48] <kbmonkey> early worm catches the bird?
[20:49] <Kilos> ok lets crash. night all
[20:49] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:49] <kbmonkey> gn Kilos 
[20:49] <Kilos> magespawn, dont be so scarce
[20:49] <magespawn> I prefer staying up late and sleeping late
[20:50] <Kilos> haha
[20:50] <Kilos> night lad
[20:59] <charl> i'm off
[20:59] <charl> good night all !
[21:01] <magespawn> Night y'all
[21:03] <kbmonkey> gn magespawn