[06:05] morning all [06:52] morning ZA [09:12] hmm... [09:27] from the official IRC logs there has been two messages the whole day from here... so I will add one more... Hello :p [09:28] morning not_found [09:28] how are you today uncle Kilos? [09:28] some peeps on #linux-studies too [09:28] im good ty not_found and you? just cold again here [09:29] wind coming off the snow on the berg [09:33] I'm OK thanks... [09:33] nice and sunny here :p [09:33] * Kilos jealous [09:50] and with nice and sunny |I mean hot as hell [09:50] ;) [09:51] sigh [09:52] sis just got some weather thing on tablet, says it is 11°c but feels like 9°c [09:52] wind very cold [09:52] and thats midday [09:57] k... 9 degC sucks but at least not going down to 0... [09:57] lol [09:57] :D [09:57] ai! [09:57] man I really hate this xfce open dialogue [09:58] * not_found needs to go again... bbl [09:58] to make the degrees goodie i use compose key and double click o [09:58] at least something ive remembered [10:04] lol [10:27] good afternoon all [10:27] Maaz: coffee on [10:27] * Maaz washes some mugs [10:27] hi charl [10:27] hi Kilos, kbmonkey [10:30] Maaz, coffee please [10:30] Kilos: Sure [10:30] Maaz, rusks please [10:30] behind the calender on top of the fridge, but dont tell everyone Kilos [10:31] Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos! [10:31] Maaz, gracias [10:31] Kilos: ¡de nada! [10:36] Maaz: thanks [10:36] charl: No problem [10:36] delicious, rusks, i haven't had those in ages [10:36] i don't think they sell those in europe [10:37] wow [10:37] do they make buttermilk breads and buns [10:38] then you can make your own rusks [10:38] i don't think so [10:38] google bakeries man [10:38] in NL and DE we have a ridiculous variety of baked goods [10:38] just not that :P [10:39] by the way, i was just wondering [10:39] do any of you people use rtorrent? [10:39] the headless bittorrent client [10:39] that sucks. coffee and rusks be lekker [10:39] i just discovered a really strange thing, when i finish downloading a torrent it immediately stops seeding [10:39] then i stop the torrent, start it back up again, and immediately it starts seeding again [10:40] that without any custom configuration [10:40] Kilos: in germany they have these coffee pastries, really delicious with coffee [10:40] i should go across the border and buy a few again [10:41] lol [10:46] transmission is probably the worst bittorrent client of all times [10:46] it constantly keeps thrasing the disk [10:46] even when seeding [10:46] ktorrent is actually a really powerful client [10:47] explain seeding please [10:48] Maaz, define seeding [10:48] Kilos: Seed \Seed\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Seeded}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Seeding}.] 1. To sprinkle with seed; to plant seeds in; to sow; as, to seed a field. [1913 Webster] 2. To cover thinly with something scattered; to ornament with seedlike decorations. [1913 Webster] A sable mantle seeded with waking eyes. --B. Jonson. [1913 Webster] {To seed down}, to sow with [10:48] grass seed. [1913 Webster] [10:48] is when you upload data to other people [10:48] other people who are downloading the torrent you already downloaded [10:48] or you have partially downloaded [10:48] oh i see [10:48] torrent is using many download palces for on download right? [10:49] places [10:49] yes it's a distributed content distribution system [10:49] like splitting the download [10:49] the idea that each person downloads and uploads to others [10:49] you could say that yes [10:49] for example, crunchbang is only distributed via bittorrent (last i checked) [10:50] and it's nice to contribute by seeding it again for others [10:50] so seeding is your bit its feeding? [10:50] yes [10:50] yeah i remember i downloaded crunchband and it was very fast download [10:50] yes i downloaded it at work, i got about 70MBps download [10:51] wow [10:51] that's megabyte, not megabit [10:51] i understand B as to b [10:51] yup [10:51] 1 byte = 8 bits [10:52] i'm on gigabit ethernet but i was quite surprised myself because mostly if you download via http it's around 20-30MBps from the internet [10:52] whew [10:52] exactly so we're talking around 7*8=560mbps [10:52] plus protocol overhead [10:53] there's also latency and packet loss and a whole lot of things that contribute to speed [10:53] and per sec normally written /s [10:53] depends on who you ask :) [10:54] i dont ask i see output when downloading or upgrading [10:54] but that's acceptable yes [10:54] lol [10:54] i watch whole thing [10:55] i enjoy watching upgrade details [10:55] you see the tiny and large packages [10:55] am back [10:55] wb kbmonkey [10:57] thanks [10:58] * psychicist is back from Polish class and the supermarket, it's time for putting pizza into the oven now [10:58] hi charl [10:58] hi Snowy [10:59] these three users even exist, Time back oven [11:01] hmm pizza [11:06] hi psychicist [11:08] so pyweek starts in 12 hours [11:08] who in here wants to code a python game in 7 days? [11:08] pyweek? [11:08] hehe [11:09] entrants to write a game in one week from scratch either as an individual or in a team [11:10] whew you need peeps like fly and weed on your team [11:10] but they aint go time [11:10] hi superfly [11:11] didnt see you pop in [11:24] man I need to get some food in this place [11:25] do any of you people know much about alsa and using it with a window manager like i3 [11:25] i am having a really irritating problem [11:25] every time i unplug my headphones from my laptop my speaker sound is set to mute [11:26] and i can't get it unmuted except by opening alsamixer [11:26] previously while running kde4 i could just increase my volume again in the normal fashion by using fn+left and right arrow keys [11:26] dont unplug headfones [11:27] nah man i don't want to wear them all the time :P [11:27] lol [11:27] that is weird charl [11:27] it's sweaty in the summer [11:27] it's hot now [11:27] yeah kbmonkey [11:27] lag [11:28] use external speakers [11:28] as in ping lag not lol [11:28] hmm, must be a config issue [11:28] in my ~/.i3/config i have the following two lines [11:28] bindsym XF86AudioRaiseVolume exec amixer -q set Master 2dB+ unmute [11:28] bindsym XF86AudioLowerVolume exec amixer -q set Master 2dB- unmute [11:28] could be a bug [11:28] i don't have a mute/unmute button on my laptop [11:29] at work i have a mute/unmute button on my keyboard and i use an additional line [11:29] bindsym XF86AudioMute exec amixer -q -D pulse set Master 1+ toggle [11:29] that works fine [11:29] what version of alsa is it charl? [11:29] latest version with ubuntu 13.04, lemme check [11:29] amixer version 1.0.25 [11:30] my laptop with headphones does not auto mute on unplug [11:30] i don't mind it i just want to be able to recover it again without opening alsamixer [11:30] amixer doesn't do the job [11:31] unmute doesn't work [11:31] alsamixer works as expected though [11:31] it must have something to do with amixer in other words [11:31] i have googled around but couldn't find a solution yet [11:33] try "amixer set Master toggle" [11:33] hello?.. [11:33] hang on.. restting 3g... [11:33] yes i tried that but didn't work [11:34] does it toggle mute if you keep alsamixer in a oen window? [11:34] open [11:34] actually, muting works, it's just the unmute [11:34] it mutes it but doesn't unmute [11:34] it mutes and unutes each time [11:35] nah first time it mutes fine but then second time it does nothing [11:35] just keeps it muted [11:36] that is bizarre [11:36] if i unmute it with alsamixer it mutes it again [11:36] so alsamixer shows it as unuted? [11:36] but then keeps it muted doesn't matter how many times i toggle [11:36] no alsamixer shows it as muted [11:36] but it does not unmute [11:36] with amixer [11:36] yes precisely [11:37] but i mean in the two above keyboard bindings it should unmute it in any case [11:37] the minute i adjust the volume [11:38] hey wait a minute [11:38] this does work: amixer -q -D pulse set Master 1+ toggle [11:38] sorry lemme just try something [11:39] not sure why you have +1 in there [11:39] ok found the problem, i need -D pulse [11:39] that makes the difference [11:39] was about to suggest you run amixer sscontrols to see the list of devices :D [11:39] yeah i can take that out [11:40] bha humbug. laggy typing [11:40] but you had -D pulse in your first command. how is that different? [11:41] no only in the toggle [11:41] in the volume up/down i didn't have that [11:41] i'll experiment with putting that in, that might solve the problem [11:42] ah :) [11:42] the toggle i use at work because my keyboard has a mute button [11:42] i don't have that on my laptop [11:42] ideally it should auto unmute, hey ;) [11:42] never realised that could be the issue until now [11:42] yeah it's very strange [11:42] sounds like a bug [11:43] probably is yes [11:43] ok well at least now i understand the problem (to some extent) so we made some progress [11:43] thanks for the help :) [11:45] kbmonkey, Telkom Mobile has rolled out over 1500 WiFi hotspots, offering an hour of usage to anyone. [11:45] http://www.facebook.com/l/VAQG1NEwn/technology.iafrica.com/news/technology/877574.html [11:45] yw charl ! [11:45] maybe you lucky [11:45] looks like quiete a few people have that issue [11:45] quite* [11:49] only 1 hour of internet ? bah humbug [11:49] I need 1x24 hours of internets :) [11:49] lol i have 10g wifi data that for some reason just doesnt expire [11:50] came with topups free 2g a time [11:51] but you should chaeck if you get the connection man. isnt wifi cheaper than mobile [11:53] its not much of price but stability - these 2g things go up and down like a yoyo [11:53] lol [11:53] in NL the biggest cable company (ziggo) came out with a service that turned every cable modem into a wifi hotspot [11:53] but it's only available for use by other ziggo customers [11:54] it went wrong on my router though so i disabled it [11:54] good idea but bad execution it seems [11:55] i have the ubee evw3200 which is one of the most standard cable modems around here [11:55] had to reset the thing a dozen times to get my connection working properly again after disabling wifispots [11:57] eish. seems like technology is a monster unto itself! [11:57] it's own worst enemy, hehe [11:58] i just blame it on lack of testing and bad execution [11:58] i just want my connection to work, i don't care about the rest :) [11:58] yes! [12:01] i'm quite happy with the dell optiplex i have at work [12:02] apparently it uses less than 20 watt during idle [12:02] and the cpu temperature remains at a constant 21 degrees irrespective of the load [12:02] that's cool to the touch, impressive [12:04] my laptop runs a little hotter, at around 50 degrees [12:04] but it's also a laptop :P [12:05] does the optiplex have a ssd drive? [12:07] no regular magnetic disks [12:07] 2x internal 1x external connected via usb 3.0 (for backups) [12:08] wow it runs very cool then! [12:08] first is about half a terabyte (main system disk) and second is a terabyte (data disk) [12:08] and then 2TB for backups [12:08] the pyweek theme is only announces at 2am local time. [12:08] the hard drives run slightly hotter at around 40 degrees each [12:09] maybe I will wake up at 4am to get going on that [12:09] someone is doing wheel spins outside again [12:10] they do this any time of day or night [12:10] barbarians [12:10] petrol heads [12:12] benzinkopfen [12:14] benzin! what a good song! [12:14] rammstein? [12:14] saw Rammstein perform that live. it was great. [12:14] so much of fire on stage! [12:15] yeah they are known for their special effects [12:15] its one show Id want to see again [12:15] never saw an actual performance of them but the videos are cool [12:15] didn't they also perform in some movie? [12:15] not that I know of.. [12:16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXX_%28film%29 [12:16] knew it was some movie with vin diesel [12:16] just forgot the name [12:17] they opened, i thought it was also with big amounts of fire, i thought it was feuer frei [12:18] yes ! i remember right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feuer_frei! [12:18] "The song is featured in the film xXx, it is also featured during the CSI episode "Slaves of Las Vegas"." [12:18] xxx is such a porno film title [12:18] i thought so too [12:19] maybe that was what they were going for [12:19] now you must go google for "xxx film" and be careful what results you pull :P [12:19] ah no worries I google that all the time! [12:20] lol [12:20] jokes [12:20] a friend told me to google "japanese newsreader" once [12:20] i thought what could be wrong with that right [12:20] be careful when you include japanese in anything [12:21] lol! yes it is a alien culture indeed [12:21] like my sister telling me of this prank involving velociraptors [12:22] http://io9.com/this-terrifying-raptor-chase-is-the-most-traumatic-pran-1210483692 [12:22] oh yes [12:23] i saw that actually [12:23] that guy must have peep himself. lol [12:23] it was on the front page of youtube in fact at one point [12:23] no but seriously that thing looks realistic [12:23] ah. I dont visit youtube much - must have missed it [12:23] like it just came out of a movie or something [12:24] it so well done! only the second time did I notice the man legs underneath it :p [12:24] yes me too i thought what has animatronics gone this far already [12:24] its RMS in JHB today [12:26] isn't software freedom day over more than two weeks? [12:27] this is not software freedom day, only the RMS tour thingy [12:27] oh i see [12:27] unfortunately his schedule does not coincide with SFD [12:27] but he does talk about it [12:28] seems to be on 21 september this year according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Freedom_Day [12:28] doesn't matter [12:28] it would be interesting to hear him talk [12:28] will somebody upload a video? [12:29] apparently they will be recording it [12:29] notably with non-free codecs. he must be furious about that :D [12:31] lol and upload it to youtube instead of bittorrent :P [12:33] hi Cantide [12:33] how's it going [12:33] hello '< [12:33] it is going well :) [12:33] what about you? [12:34] good good [12:34] :3 [12:34] how's it going with your korean [12:34] not too great :p [12:34] it will improve when i get there :) [12:35] which should be in about 4 weeks [12:35] '< [12:35] yes exactly [12:35] oh great ! [12:35] is this a one-way ticket? [12:35] yeah~~ i got a job in Seoul [12:35] i don't know yet [12:35] the employer will provide the ticket [12:35] oh i see [12:35] just waiting for it now [12:35] sounds great [12:35] but i think i need a return ticket [12:35] as my visa will be for a year, which i can extend [12:36] that's strange [12:36] why? [12:36] they shouldn't require a return ticket then [12:36] well, after a year i need to get out [12:36] so i think they need assurance of that [12:36] hello Cantide [12:36] but then i can go straight back and get another visa :p [12:36] who books a flight a year in advance [12:36] hey kbmonkey :) [12:36] ah, right [12:36] okay.. Im gonna try compile sfml now... holds fingers [12:36] so i'm not sure about the return trip and when it'll be :p [12:36] im sure you can just go out and back in [12:37] maybe next day [12:37] Kilos, yes, that is correct :p [12:37] just go to neighbours and back [12:37] no need to come all the way here [12:37] i might just hop over to Japan, see my brother and then go back :p [12:37] yeah [12:37] yup [12:37] but this isn't an immediate concern, so i haven't looked into it much :p [12:37] oh i still want to go to japan at some point [12:38] i think you can even take a ferry from korea to japan [12:38] cool :) [12:38] yeah, it's close [12:38] i looked at it a couple of years back [12:38] from Busan I assume [12:38] i wanted to go to s.korea then take a ferry to japan and fly back from japan [12:38] but i don't know which city in Japan it would go to [12:38] never went through with it though [12:38] does the ferry take you through customs [12:38] charl, sounds like a nice trip :) [12:39] Kilos, probably [12:39] thats all they wanna see, customs out then back [12:39] you should be able to take the train from there (i assume) [12:39] train from where to where? [12:39] i would go to kyoto, tokyo and osaka probably [12:39] maybe some other large cities [12:39] oh right [12:39] yeah, kyoto has been on my bucket list for ages :) [12:39] and tokyo now :p [12:40] my brother is in Saitama, so seeing Tokyo will be easy with him [12:40] tokyo has akihabara, the otaku capital of the world [12:41] yup :) [12:41] my brother is often there looking for gadgets [12:41] can't pass up an opportunity to buy some manga and doujinshi [12:41] what's doujinshi? [12:41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C5%8Djinshi [12:42] oh, nice :D [12:43] for the "alternative minded" you can also get goods like a dakimakura http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakimakura [12:43] for the "forever alone" i mean :D [12:43] oh, hahaha [12:44] there are a bunch of other things you can buy which i will not mention on this channel because it all goes downhill from there [12:44] :P [12:45] haha [12:45] maybe that's why my brother likes akihabara :p [12:46] lol you never know what you mind find coming out of the closet when you visit his house :P [12:46] *might [12:47] looooooooooooool [12:47] yeah, now i'm scared to go there :p [12:56] hmm who mentioned pizza? I am hungary :D [12:57] Cantide: here's what i'm talking about http://www.dannychoo.com/en/post/27033/Akihabara+Shops+10.html [12:57] scooter's honey mustard pizza is a winner :p [12:57] * Cantide clicks [12:57] a few things are blocked out, for a reason :P [12:57] oh yes i want a pizza now too [12:57] i am going to go out to get food shortly anyway [12:58] I want a pepper and mushroom pizza [12:59] good idea, actually need to go to the shops anyway [12:59] i usually go for sundried tomato, mozarella cheese and a lot of cayenne [12:59] *mozzarella [13:02] who is general failure, and why is he reading my disk?! [13:03] lol [13:03] who is peer and why does he keep resetting my connection [13:04] charl, really cool figurines! :D [13:07] yup that's only the start though :P [13:07] haha [13:07] but if you are looking to visit japan though, there is a _huge_ amount of photos and info on that site [13:10] heh [13:10] i'm not too much into anime and that kind of thing anymore [13:10] more interested in nature and temples [13:10] and then a few skyscrapers and electronics on the way :p [13:12] http://www.dannychoo.com/en/posts/category/visit [13:12] * Cantide clicks [13:13] another place i definitely want to visit is shibuya [13:13] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibuya,_Tokyo [13:13] i was just looking at that :D [13:13] yeah, Shibuya looks cool [13:13] and ginza http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginza [13:14] this also looks good http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikebukuro [13:15]