[03:49] <SomeoneWeird> hey guys, wondering if anyone can help, i've recently upgraded to saucy and my unity search has stopped working, i think it may be the cause of some of the plugins have been uninstalled/disabled but i'm not sure -> http://i.imgur.com/cWBRFpX.jpg
[03:50] <wilee-nilee> SomeoneWeird, Make a list of what you have removed, if you can.
[03:51] <SomeoneWeird> bleh, don't think I can, it happened over a week ago i've just been lazy about trying to fix it
[03:51] <wilee-nilee> SomeoneWeird, You could make another account, just to compare.
[03:52] <SomeoneWeird> hm? you don't mean what packages have I removed?
[03:52] <wilee-nilee> SomeoneWeird, there are unity resets for 13.04 you might try that.
[03:52] <SomeoneWeird> yeah
[03:52] <wilee-nilee> NO to see if it happens there as well.
[03:52] <SomeoneWeird> ahh, right
[03:52] <SomeoneWeird> sec, will do
[03:53] <SomeoneWeird> lmao I think i've really screwed something up
[03:53] <SomeoneWeird> tried to login to new user and it just crashes back to login screne
[03:53] <SomeoneWeird> *screen
[03:56] <wilee-nilee> yes it seems so, o clones or images of the correct runnig setup?
[03:56] <wilee-nilee> no*
[03:56] <SomeoneWeird> unfortunately not
[03:57] <SomeoneWeird> everything is alright for this account (apart from search not working) at the moment so I might make a backup and just leave it
[03:57] <SomeoneWeird> probably not worth the trouble fixing
[03:57] <SomeoneWeird> (which is probably going to end up being a reinstall)
[03:57] <wilee-nilee> clone the install before you tweak it.
[03:58] <SomeoneWeird> hrm, i just realized the upgrade i did (about 30 minutes ago) now makes my touchpad scroll not work too...
[03:58] <SomeoneWeird> bleh
[03:59] <wilee-nilee> I never upgrade myself
[03:59] <SomeoneWeird> starting to see why people don't
[03:59] <ali1234> this command should reinstall all the stuff you removed: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^
[03:59] <ali1234> the ^ is important
[04:00] <ali1234> of course, this is +1 so it might just make everything worse
[04:00] <wilee-nilee> you can make package install lists save the sources if any extra and their keys and do it much faster
[04:00] <SomeoneWeird> that is quite possible
[04:00] <SomeoneWeird> it seems i'm missing a lot of unity-scope-* packages
[04:00] <SomeoneWeird> what's the  ^ do?
[04:01] <ali1234> it means ubuntu-desktop is a package group, not a single package
[04:01] <ali1234> or something like that
[04:01] <SomeoneWeird> ah cool
[04:01] <SomeoneWeird> ok gunna reboot, if i'm not back in a couple minutes then something else has broken ಠ_ಠ
[04:05] <wilee-nilee> That command will show a list of whats new to be installed, in other words the missing, good idea. ;)
[04:06] <SomeoneWeird> hrm
[04:06] <SomeoneWeird> ok well running that command make things better at least
[04:06] <SomeoneWeird> the "social network" icon now comes up in the search
[04:06] <SomeoneWeird> but nothing else
[04:07] <SomeoneWeird> http://i.imgur.com/gOkZSHY.jpg
[04:09] <wilee-nilee> !imagebin | SomeoneWeird that is unreadable
[04:10] <SomeoneWeird> eh?
[04:10] <ali1234> why is it unreadable?
[04:10] <SomeoneWeird> E: Unable to locate package unity-place-applications
[04:10] <SomeoneWeird> hrm
[04:10] <SomeoneWeird> that could be a problem
[04:10] <wilee-nilee> the image try a look here. http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2013/08/reset-unity-and-compiz-in-ubuntu-13-10/
[04:12] <wilee-nilee> same as the 12.10 and 13.04 reset. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/04/how-to-reset-unity-compiz-in-ubuntu-12-10-and-13-04
[04:13] <SomeoneWeird> nup
[04:13] <SomeoneWeird> --reset-icons replaced the default icons, still nothing more in search though
[04:17] <wilee-nilee> SomeoneWeird, That reset needs a reboot or logout I think, at least the earlier ones did.
[04:20] <SomeoneWeird> wilee-nilee, i did :)
[04:20] <SomeoneWeird> (rebooted)
[04:20] <SomeoneWeird> I have a feeling maybe a lens package is corrupt
[04:20] <SomeoneWeird> gunna purge + reinstall all of them
[04:30] <SomeoneWeird> hm, nup
[04:31] <SomeoneWeird> think i've given up
[10:35] <iceroot_> is MIR now installed by default in 13.10? or is the current iso still only using X11? (on intel vga)
[10:45] <bazhang> !info libmirserver1
[12:26] <BluesKaj> "Morning folks
[12:41] <penguin42> "afternoon BluesKaj
[12:41] <BluesKaj> hi penguin42
[13:15] <iceroot_> bazhang: thank you, so as it seems MIR finally reached the repos
[13:15] <iceroot_> not bad one month before the release....
[14:39] <Frank81> Hello any one in here knows how to fix the problem that there is no usb keyboard regonized on entering luks password?
[14:40] <Frank81> coz since kernel 3.8 + till 3.11 i have no keyboard anymore to enter luks password with 3.8 all work well
[16:52] <Frank81> can some one plz point me to infos about the bug reporting prozess?
[16:52] <IdleOne> !bug
[16:53] <Frank81> the kernel is a package too? shall i simply write the name of the kernel img?
[16:53] <Frank81> hmmm or hmm maybe some one is needed to define that better
[16:54] <Frank81> after upgrading the kernel not all moduls get loaded as needed befor luks gets loaded
[16:54] <Frank81> what package is that?
[16:54] <penguin42> to report a kernel bug it's     ubuntu-bug linux
[16:54] <penguin42> oh
[16:54] <penguin42> Frank81: Hmm so all the modules are there they just aren't being added to the initramfs?
[16:54] <Frank81> penguin42: i am right that it is a kernel bug when after upgrading kernel not all needed moduls get loaded anymore?
[16:55] <penguin42> Frank81: Hmm that probably depends why they don't get loaded
[16:55] <Frank81> penguin42: it looks like that yes
[16:55] <Frank81> i upgraded one machine with luks and lvm encrypted the usb keyboard don't gets regonized so i can't enter luks password
[16:56] <penguin42> Frank81: If the modules are broken and won't load then that's definitely a kernel bug, if there is a bug in the thing that makes the initramfs not knowing to load the modules then that might be in the initramfs packages
[16:56] <Frank81> when i boot old kernel 3.8 all works this applys to all kernels after 3.8 till 3.11
[16:56] <penguin42> Frank81: Do you know that's a problem with modules not getting loaded?
[16:57] <Frank81> i am not a mega linux geek only some advanced user and i can't simply expect any other fail
[16:57] <penguin42> Frank81: OK, file it against linux because it works with older kernels but not newer
[16:57] <Frank81> since it works with 3.8 and i googled this happend to many other distros befor and always it was that hid and usb don't got loaded
[16:57] <penguin42> Frank81: can you get it to work with a non-USB keyboard?  What hardware is this on?
[16:58] <Frank81> i have no ps/2 keyboard here and no adapter at present its a normal home pc with a asus mainboard and a AMD CPU i don't know exact chipset at present
[16:58] <Frank81> but normal pc system 8gb ram all standart
[16:59] <penguin42> ok, so you don't actually know it's to do with USB keyboards
[16:59] <penguin42> it might be broken on your machine with all keyboards
[17:00] <Frank81> thats right but i don't think so since it happend on other distros too i googled the whole day
[17:00] <Frank81> penguin42 how would you track or debug that? simply getting a other keyboard? or any other alternate?
[17:00] <penguin42> Frank81: Report the bug first
[17:01] <penguin42> Frank81: I'd try and narrow it down; eg if it's only USB keyboards then you can say it must be something wrong with USB stuff, but if it also fails with a PS/2 then it's probably something else
[17:01] <Frank81> i can't report the bug it complains about the old kernel
[17:01] <penguin42>  <back in 30min - need to make a crumble>
[17:02] <penguin42> Frank81: Sigh, that's dumb
[17:02] <Frank81> ok so i simply wait some month with the old kernel and maybe reinstall later ^^
[17:02] <penguin42> Frank81: You could try a dialy kernel from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/   and see if that works
[17:02] <penguin42> anyway, crumble time
[17:23] <Frank81> ok i have a problem i found a real bug i have now verifyed that the usbhid driver gets loaded and status is ok but usb keyboard don't responds. problem applys to all kernels after 3.8 i can't report the problem with the pc coz i have no ps/2 keyboard and when i wanna do a bug report he tells me that my kernel package isn't a supported one for reporting bugs
[17:27] <ikonia> Frank81: manually log the bug
[17:28] <ikonia> who is "he"
[17:28] <Frank81> good question where to do so ?
[17:28] <penguin42> ikonia: ubuntu-bug I think
[17:29] <ikonia> Frank81: launchpad.net
[17:29] <ikonia> Frank81: it would be helpful to get someone else to verify this also and add to the bug report to add weight if it's generic and not specific to your hardware
[17:30] <penguin42> ikonia: Except we don't normally do that for Kernel bugs
[17:30] <ikonia> why not ?
[17:30] <ikonia> (I'm assuming this is an ubuntu kernel package)
[17:30] <penguin42> ikonia: For kernel bugs it's normally one bug per user
[17:31] <ikonia> penguin42: that's why I'm saying if it's something that's generic/specific to his tin
[17:31] <penguin42> ikonia: the normal advice is for kernel bugs to report separate bugs anyway and then figure out if it's shared because common symptoms might reflect underlying cause
[17:32] <ikonia> that seems crazy for something that can be confirmed as a mass paroblem as you'll end up with numerous bugs
[17:32] <penguin42> ikonia: I kind of agree, I've been around the loop a few times;
[17:32] <ikonia> if someone has the same problem and can verify it, it seems crazy to log multiple bugs to verify it
[17:32] <ikonia> if things are different, sure, but if the root cause or the actual bug can be confirmed as generic....it's crazy
[17:33] <ikonia> Frank81: up to you how you do it, but personally I would try to confirm if it's generic or not and get an additional party to verify it
[17:33] <penguin42> ikonia: Right, but how is he going to confirm it's generic or not; he just has something where it isn't allowing him to enter his luks password
[17:33] <ikonia> penguin42 get others to confirm the same situation,
[17:33] <ikonia> narrow it down from there
[17:34] <Frank81> hmm i can't even get it reported logged in browsed the bugs but there was none exact like me one was a bluethoots keyboard and one has problems with a other passpharse
[17:34] <ikonia> logging his own bug first then getting (if applicable) additional confirmation
[17:35] <Frank81> hmmm i probally can't verify the bug my self with a virtualbox or such?
[17:35] <Frank81> coz there it is other hardware the virtual one right?
[17:35] <ikonia> Frank81: that will give you an idea of it's generic or not
[17:36] <Frank81> ok so i should simply run that on a virtualbox ok
[17:36] <ikonia> be interesting to see if you hit the same problem
[17:36] <Frank81> we will soon know it ^
[17:41] <Frank81> we will not know it
[17:41] <Frank81> virtualbox is now broken too ^^ coz it has updated and whants the new kernel
[17:41] <Frank81> :D
[21:06] <alfonsojon> Hi.
[21:07] <alfonsojon> I'm on the GT218 chipset (Nvidia GeForce 210)
[21:07] <alfonsojon> I tried using Mir, and it failed. When Mir cannot be used, it'
[21:07] <alfonsojon> it's supposed to fall back to XMir, correct?
[21:08] <Daekdroom> alfonsojon, it falls back to X.org
[21:08] <Daekdroom> XMir is what runs X applications under Mir.
[21:08] <alfonsojon> Oh
[21:08] <alfonsojon> Well, fallback failed
[21:09] <alfonsojon> -sort of
[21:09] <alfonsojon> I can have a working desktop, but it freezes after a second.
[21:09] <alfonsojon> If I switch to a TTY session then come back, it unfreezes, but only for one second
[21:40] <ali1234> that chipset doesnt work well with nouveau anyway
[21:43] <Daekdroom> ali1234, as far as I know nouveau is supposed to use Mir, unlike the proprietary drivers.
[21:44] <yofel> Daekdroom: nouveau does support Mir, but that's unrelated to the hardware support of nouveau
[21:45] <Daekdroom> yofel, yeah, but if fallback happened, then he's probably using the proprietary drivers.
[21:45] <yofel> indeed
[21:46] <yofel> but hard to say unless really checking in Xorg.0.log what's really used
[21:46] <ali1234> yeah, what i mean is nouveau freezes and crashes with many NV50 series cards even when you use it with X, so using it with mir probably won't be much better
[21:47] <ali1234> also, isn't mir broken on nouveau at this exact point in time, or was that fixed?