| Kilos | morning all | 05:35 |
|---|---|---|
| Kilos | hi psychicist | 06:28 |
| Squirm | 'lo | 07:28 |
| kbmonkey | hello | 07:39 |
| kbmonkey | peach and pear peanut butter protein breakfast smoothie mmmm | 07:41 |
| DeonP | morning | 09:24 |
| Kilos | hi DeonP | 09:24 |
| Kilos | welcome to ubuntu-za | 09:24 |
| DeonP | ty | 09:24 |
| DeonP | i need some help and I hope someone can :) | 09:25 |
| Kilos | aks and lets see | 09:25 |
| Kilos | most guys not here yet | 09:25 |
| Kilos | and im not a pro but can help with basics | 09:26 |
| DeonP | axxess has started offering static IP's to customers but to get it you have to use a L2TP connection to their server | 09:26 |
| DeonP | i'm looking for someone that has experience with xl2tpd | 09:26 |
| Kilos | you might need to hang till this evening when the pros get on | 09:27 |
| Kilos | what does google say | 09:27 |
| DeonP | not much help on ubutu, tried various set ups as most pretty similar on red hat / centos but not winning | 09:28 |
| DeonP | ok i will come back later then. | 09:29 |
| Kilos | what os are you using ? | 09:29 |
| Kilos | sundays are very quiet till evening | 09:29 |
| Kilos | im the greeter bot here | 09:29 |
| DeonP | occording to to pages they show how to start the connection and in the syslog should show xl2tpd running and then pppd making ppp connection | 09:29 |
| DeonP | but in my case pppd never starts up, not sure why | 09:30 |
| Kilos | ah | 09:30 |
| DeonP | oh lol ok, will come back this evening and ask again | 09:30 |
| Kilos | you welcome to stay here or even hang here daily | 09:31 |
| Kilos | the big guns pop in and out all week | 09:31 |
| DeonP | will do, i've been using ubuntu since 8.04 but this is the first time trying l2tp conection | 09:31 |
| Kilos | oh and also you can join the linux studies group thats starting to do LPI soon | 09:31 |
| DeonP | most the tutorials deal with ipsec/xl2tpd but i only ned l2tp | 09:32 |
| Kilos | wow so long and you are even part of this channel yet | 09:32 |
| DeonP | i sued to live in uk, been back 18 months now getting back into ubuntu. my laptop here runs 13.04 :) | 09:32 |
| Kilos | cool | 09:33 |
| Kilos | we got guys here from all over the world | 09:33 |
| Kilos | all with za ties | 09:33 |
| Kilos | and ubuntu dev guys as well | 09:34 |
| DeonP | i best register then :) i have registered at launchpad when i was in uk | 09:34 |
| Kilos | join our mailing list as well | 09:34 |
| DeonP | ubuntu does have a huge sa tie :) | 09:34 |
| DeonP | will do | 09:35 |
| Kilos | http://bit.ly/MCOujZ | 09:35 |
| Kilos | we have our own group from here that are starting the linux studies on our own study channel | 09:36 |
| Kilos | we are quite a close knit friendly community | 09:37 |
| Kilos | one of our dev guys is in the uk with canonical | 09:39 |
| DeonP | tahst cool, ive done mailing list | 09:39 |
| Kilos | where are you | 09:39 |
| DeonP | centurion | 09:40 |
| DeonP | i remember ordering the free cd's from uk and they were shipped from cape town :) | 09:41 |
| Kilos | ah there are guys in jozi and pta but i think most are in ct | 09:41 |
| Kilos | haha | 09:41 |
| DeonP | it seemed ct was where it all happened | 09:43 |
| Kilos | yeah most of our events are down there but the gauteng guys have release parties and stuff | 09:43 |
| DeonP | i must keep my eyes open then | 09:44 |
| Kilos | always news here and in the list | 09:44 |
| Kilos | we have community meetings here once a month | 09:45 |
| Kilos | next one 23rd sept | 09:45 |
| DeonP | where will that be? | 09:46 |
| Kilos | on this channel | 09:46 |
| DeonP | ah ok | 09:46 |
| Kilos | at 20.30 | 09:46 |
| Kilos | everything happens or starts here | 09:46 |
| DeonP | i'll put it in my calendar | 09:47 |
| Kilos | easier to be here full time otherwise you miss too much | 09:48 |
| Kilos | you dont use an irc client? | 09:48 |
| Kilos | xchat rocks | 09:48 |
| DeonP | yeah i got it lol | 09:48 |
| DeonP | was googling and bumped into here, i will use xchat next time | 09:49 |
| Kilos | only unity 13.04 hid all the workspaces | 09:49 |
| Kilos | lucky | 09:50 |
| DeonP | i screwed up my laptop upgrading from 12.04 to 13.04 lol, upgrade wiped my /var folder and lots of my web work | 09:51 |
| Kilos | ouch | 09:51 |
| Kilos | no backup? | 09:51 |
| Kilos | im still on 12.04 | 09:52 |
| Kilos | 13.04 too fancy and hides what i need to use | 09:52 |
| Kilos | 12.02 unity and kde | 09:53 |
| Kilos | 12.04 | 09:53 |
| DeonP | i only lost 10 days so not too much of a biggy | 09:53 |
| Kilos | only ten days | 09:53 |
| Kilos | whew | 09:53 |
| DeonP | i managed to catch up in about 3 days, lost of the stuff still in may head | 09:53 |
| DeonP | *lots | 09:54 |
| Kilos | ow | 09:54 |
| Kilos | poor head | 09:54 |
| Kilos | has 13.04 still got deja-dup in | 09:54 |
| Kilos | makes serious backups | 09:54 |
| DeonP | yeah | 09:55 |
| DeonP | i usually just copy work onto an sd card, was stupid not to do it before upgrade lool | 09:56 |
| Kilos | try deja-dup it works well | 09:57 |
| DeonP | will do | 09:57 |
| DeonP | i'm running have to light fire in webber :) | 10:01 |
| Kilos | cool | 10:01 |
| Kilos | you know where we are now | 10:02 |
| DeonP | i'l be back | 10:03 |
| DeonP | just going on xchat to make sure i got right chan set up | 10:04 |
| Kilos | ok | 10:04 |
| Kilos | put us in your favourites | 10:04 |
| Kilos | too slow | 10:05 |
| Kilos | wb DeonP | 10:06 |
| DeonP | just swithced to xchat, to see i got right chan. all good now | 10:06 |
| Kilos | lol | 10:06 |
| DeonP | i'll use this later, ttyl | 10:07 |
| Kilos | ok | 10:07 |
| Kilos | hi Vince-0 | 10:21 |
| Vince-0 | hi Kilos | 10:23 |
| charl | good afternoon | 11:48 |
| charl | Maaz: coffee on | 11:48 |
| * Maaz puts the kettle on | 11:48 | |
| charl | theblazehen: thanks for that link yesterday, watching the video now, absolutely brilliant | 11:48 |
| charl | the talk by rms | 11:49 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charl! | 11:52 |
| charl | Maaz: thanks | 11:52 |
| Maaz | charl: Okay :-) | 11:52 |
| magespawn | afternoon all | 12:26 |
| magespawn | howdy Kilos | 12:26 |
| charl | hi magespawn | 12:26 |
| Kilos | hi magespawn | 12:27 |
| magespawn | hi charl | 12:27 |
| Kilos | hi charl | 12:28 |
| charl | hi Kilos | 12:28 |
| theblazehen | np cahrl, hi guys | 14:17 |
| theblazehen | charl* | 14:17 |
| Kilos | hi theblazehen | 14:17 |
| charl | i listen to it in sections, it's | 14:30 |
| charl | it's quite heavy material but extremely interesting | 14:30 |
| charl | i love the way this guy thinks | 14:30 |
| charl | i am really looking forward to hearing the south african recording too | 14:30 |
| charl | hi Cantide | 14:44 |
| Kilos | hi Cantide | 14:44 |
| charl | rms is a guy i can respect | 14:45 |
| charl | no facebook, no mobile phone, no dvds | 14:46 |
| Cantide | hey charl, Kilos :) | 14:46 |
| charl | at least i'm not the only "weird" one out there | 14:46 |
| charl | i also refuse to have in my posession a mobile phone or carry one around with me | 14:46 |
| Kilos | hehe | 14:47 |
| charl | i feel better now | 14:47 |
| charl | i read that not having a facebook account and not carrying a mobile phone is grounds for being suspected of terrorism | 14:47 |
| Cantide | loool | 14:47 |
| charl | in other words, either live in the matrix, or be a terrorist | 14:47 |
| Cantide | that's crazy :) | 14:48 |
| Cantide | in a few weeks i will be without a phone | 14:48 |
| Cantide | but i will get a new one when i can >.< | 14:48 |
| charl | apparently in korea they only use cdma | 14:49 |
| charl | no gsm | 14:49 |
| Cantide | heh | 14:50 |
| charl | in africa and europa it's the opposite | 14:50 |
| charl | in america they use both | 14:50 |
| Cantide | i'll have to get a phone there | 14:50 |
| Kilos | wb DeonP | 14:50 |
| Kilos | ask your question now some of the guys woke up | 14:50 |
| charl | hi DeonP | 14:50 |
| DeonP | will in a min just logged in, getting food of webber, eat then chat :) | 14:51 |
| DeonP | hi charl | 14:51 |
| Cantide | i'm due for a new phone anyway | 14:51 |
| Kilos | haha | 14:51 |
| Cantide | this one is useless :) | 14:51 |
| Cantide | hi DeonP | 14:51 |
| DeonP | will chat in a bit but will need some help on xl2tpd setup without ipsec | 14:52 |
| DeonP | hi Cantide | 14:52 |
| Kilos | hes been on buntu since 8.04 and only just found us | 14:52 |
| Cantide | o.o | 14:52 |
| charl | that's a very specific question | 14:52 |
| charl | you might need to hit #ubuntu if you don't get the answer here | 14:53 |
| Kilos | its the clever guys that are like that, they dont need help from scratch | 14:53 |
| Cantide | lol | 14:53 |
| DeonP | will do, been bashing my head gainst a wall past week | 14:53 |
| Cantide | yeah, that question is way higher than my level :D | 14:53 |
| Cantide | i'm still n00b btw :) | 14:53 |
| charl | i don't have any experience with ipsec | 14:53 |
| Cantide | even though i've been using it since 9.04 | 14:53 |
| charl | and x12tpd doesn't ring a bell | 14:54 |
| charl | been using ubuntu since warty | 14:54 |
| Kilos | <DeonP> axxess has started offering static IP's to customers but to get it you have to use a L2TP connection to their server | 14:54 |
| DeonP | lol, not using ipsec thats the prob, all guides show ipsec, i only use l2tp with isp to get fixed ip | 14:54 |
| Kilos | <DeonP> i'm looking for someone that has experience with xl2tpd | 14:54 |
| Kilos | think so long charl | 14:54 |
| Kilos | that was a long scroll back | 14:54 |
| DeonP | thats who i'm dealing with but they have no clue on setting up server, can help with modem only | 14:55 |
| DeonP | ty Kilos, going to have dinner nou, back in a bit | 14:55 |
| Kilos | enjoy | 14:55 |
| charl | wow i have absolutely zero experience with layer 2 tunneling | 14:56 |
| charl | no i would say hit #ubuntu | 14:56 |
| charl | i don't even use dsl i use cable | 14:56 |
| Kilos | no man no one can get help there its a madhouse | 14:56 |
| Kilos | one of our ballies will know | 14:56 |
| charl | or hit http://askubuntu.com/ | 14:57 |
| charl | or http://serverfault.com/ | 14:57 |
| magespawn | i would suggest inetpro | 15:06 |
| Kilos | yip he will have commands that sort it | 15:06 |
| DeonP | i'm back | 15:18 |
| DeonP | charl u in uk? | 15:19 |
| Kilos | hi adeebnqo | 15:22 |
| Kilos | DeonP, he is in the netherlands somewhere | 15:22 |
| adeebnqo | hello: Kilos | 15:22 |
| Kilos | DeonP, what is axxess | 15:23 |
| DeonP | ah ok, i had cable in UK, sooo nice ran my own webserver from home on 30Mb connection | 15:23 |
| DeonP | they an ISP | 15:23 |
| DeonP | tied with mtn | 15:23 |
| Kilos | not many mtn users here, they suck rather | 15:24 |
| Kilos | latest bestest is 8ta | 15:24 |
| Kilos | telkom mobile | 15:25 |
| Kilos | most stable | 15:25 |
| DeonP | lol yeah, they been losing subscribers but they big in fibre interconnect in SA | 15:25 |
| Kilos | ah | 15:25 |
| DeonP | mtn business that is | 15:25 |
| Kilos | rural areas have no joy from them. lucky if you get edge speed | 15:26 |
| DeonP | cell-c used to be bad but their coverage has grown exponentially | 15:26 |
| Kilos | ye4ah but them too, they share 3g towers with voda and when voda is stretched you get cut to slow speed or disconnected | 15:27 |
| DeonP | that was last year, voda would shut cell c out if their network was busy, they got their own towers now, much better | 15:28 |
| Kilos | do they have a coverage map | 15:32 |
| DeonP | yes | 15:32 |
| Kilos | but 8ta rocks out here on the plot | 15:32 |
| Kilos | and 2+1 for R149 is good | 15:32 |
| DeonP | pretty good | 15:33 |
| Kilos | and when the tower gives probs they send a techie out to you premises to check everything after repairing the tower | 15:34 |
| DeonP | going to pop over to main ubuntu chat to see if any xl2tpd experts are on | 15:34 |
| Kilos | takes a few days though | 15:34 |
| Kilos | ok | 15:34 |
| DeonP | tahst good, better than telkom adsl :) | 15:34 |
| Kilos | just join them from here | 15:35 |
| Kilos | /j #ubuntu | 15:35 |
| DeonP | i did | 15:35 |
| Kilos | i cant keep up with them | 15:35 |
| Kilos | madhouse that | 15:35 |
| DeonP | i see, hard to follow the convo lol | 15:36 |
| DeonP | 1643 online | 15:36 |
| Kilos | lol | 15:37 |
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| magespawn | later all | 15:51 |
| Kilos | later | 15:55 |
| charl | hi back | 16:25 |
| charl | DeonP: no | 16:25 |
| charl | DeonP: visited london once but only spent about 10 days there, i attended the mozilla festival back in 2011 | 16:27 |
| kbmonkey | whats up? | 16:28 |
| charl | DeonP: on #ubuntu just ask a question, they have a meta channel which records unanswered questions | 16:28 |
| charl | hi kbmonkey | 16:28 |
| charl | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MetaChannel | 16:29 |
| kbmonkey | hi charl | 16:29 |
| charl | how's it going | 16:29 |
| kbmonkey | I am having a hard time trying to come up with a puzzle game for PyWeek | 16:30 |
| charl | don't ask me i'm terrible at that kind of stuff | 16:30 |
| kbmonkey | been at it for 6+ hours now, nothing solid yet | 16:30 |
| kbmonkey | lol | 16:30 |
| charl | i guess you have to be a gamer yourself in order to think things like that up | 16:30 |
| charl | i have never been much of a gamer myself | 16:30 |
| kbmonkey | ironically I am not :P | 16:30 |
| kbmonkey | I am not a gamer, I just like puzzle games XD | 16:31 |
| kbmonkey | am using these game compos as a means to learn python | 16:32 |
| kbmonkey | the pressure is good | 16:32 |
| charl | just made some pesto tagliatelle, delicious | 16:32 |
| kbmonkey | wow! amazing. | 16:32 |
| kbmonkey | I made stir fry | 16:32 |
| charl | i didn't make it myself though, but i did buy it fresh | 16:32 |
| kbmonkey | with oyster mushrooms. | 16:32 |
| Kilos | yum | 16:33 |
| charl | i mean, i boiled the pasta myself, but i didn't roll the pasta :P | 16:33 |
| kbmonkey | that meta bot looks interesting | 16:35 |
| charl | kbmonkey: yeah it was a good idea... | 16:37 |
| charl | this is an interesting remark by stallman... | 16:39 |
| charl | what the bluray companies are doing is encouraging piracy | 16:39 |
| charl | mirated mkvs don't have encryption and can be freely played on all devices | 16:40 |
| charl | *pirated | 16:40 |
| kbmonkey | the Humble Bundle released stats that prove that selling stuff without DRM does not reduce profit. In fact people still payed for it. | 16:42 |
| kbmonkey | And more in fact, Linux users payed more than the average! | 16:44 |
| Cantide | Humble Bundle <3 | 16:44 |
| kbmonkey | the guys at work know of it, all the windows users. they love it because it is cheap. we love it because it gives us new games. lol | 16:45 |
| Cantide | yeah hahaha | 16:47 |
| Cantide | i've only bought one bundle there so far | 16:47 |
| kbmonkey | They have the comedy bundle on at the moment. | 16:47 |
| Cantide | but i will buy another if it has nice games | 16:48 |
| Cantide | yeah, i just checked | 16:48 |
| charl | stallman is going rather controversial here towards the end with his ideas regarding artist compensation | 16:49 |
| charl | up until now i've been with him 100% | 16:49 |
| charl | but now i don't know anymore | 16:49 |
| charl | i agree with him regarding intellectual property rights hoarding though | 16:50 |
| charl | but i think it should be left to individuals to compensate the authors and how | 16:50 |
| kbmonkey | the problem is that video and audio channels of distribution take so much from the artists :( | 16:51 |
| charl | how so? | 16:51 |
| kbmonkey | is that what RMS means? | 16:51 |
| charl | not following you | 16:51 |
| charl | rms is richard stallman | 16:51 |
| kbmonkey | for example, the music industry is known for screwing over artists. | 16:52 |
| charl | yes exactly | 16:52 |
| charl | online distribution benefits artists, but not the music industry | 16:52 |
| charl | that's why they're against it, not because it destroys artists | 16:52 |
| kbmonkey | which is why Trent Reznor initiated hiw Ghosts project a few years ago, to prove you do not need a recording label | 16:53 |
| charl | yes very good of him that | 16:53 |
| charl | actual artists understand because they are the ones being screwed just as much as consumers | 16:53 |
| kbmonkey | from all the bands of friends I've known, getting an album produced is stupidly expensive and the rewards are meek | 16:54 |
| charl | yes the record companies are raking in the billions while artists get a fraction of a fraction of the profits | 16:55 |
| charl | and end up having to do concerts to actually make some money | 16:55 |
| charl | why not just distribute your content online | 16:55 |
| kbmonkey | jamendo.com :D | 16:55 |
| charl | and then have concerts in any case | 16:55 |
| charl | jomendo - very nice | 16:56 |
| charl | *jamando | 16:56 |
| kbmonkey | it is a platform for artists to give their works away DRM free. donation driven | 16:58 |
| kbmonkey | I like supporting those artists, good idea | 16:59 |
| charl | that's what we need | 16:59 |
| charl | we need to support those artists and encourage other artists to join them | 16:59 |
| charl | and the money goes to the artists, not the copyright hoarders and trolls | 16:59 |
| charl | whow this is scary - network implanted medical devices | 17:06 |
| charl | i didn't realise those exist but i guess it was just a matter of time | 17:06 |
| charl | *networked | 17:06 |
| kbmonkey | I like these 8-bit game remixes - http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/773636/battle-city | 17:09 |
| kbmonkey | no I should not be distracted at this time, I need a puzzle idea! | 17:10 |
| charl | whow done with the video - was awesome | 17:16 |
| magespawn | evening | 18:53 |
| Kilos | hi magespawn | 18:53 |
| charl | hi magespawn | 18:53 |
| theblazehen | hi magespawn | 19:09 |
| DeonP | l8r folks, looks like i'm on my own with xl2tpd :) | 19:10 |
| Kilos | ok DeonP we here everyday | 19:10 |
| Kilos | when the pro gets here he might have an idea | 19:11 |
| Kilos | even the fly | 19:11 |
| DeonP | ok, will pop in tomorrow morning from work | 19:12 |
| Kilos | yeah if they not too busy at work good otherwise in the evening again | 19:12 |
| DeonP | its a wierd problem, ive seen syslogs on some pages and they show xl2tpd starting then pppd seting up pppoe con then xl2tp starting tunnel, on my side i see no pppd activity | 19:14 |
| Kilos | no joy from #ubuntu | 19:15 |
| Kilos | did anyone even answer you | 19:15 |
| Kilos | maybe you got something missing with pppd | 19:16 |
| DeonP | nope nothing | 19:16 |
| DeonP | i can start a normal dsl link with bridged router but not via xl2tpd | 19:17 |
| DeonP | i'm going to bed, have to be up early night all and thanks for trying | 19:17 |
| DeonP | notmal adsl link used pppoe so yeah maybe prob is with pppd | 19:18 |
| Kilos | sleep tight hopefully someone reads logs and comes up with the cure'\ | 19:19 |
| DeonP | holding thubs | 19:20 |
| DeonP | thumbs | 19:20 |
| DeonP | :) | 19:20 |
| Kilos | yeah it sucks when stuff dont work | 19:20 |
| inetpro | hmm... | 19:22 |
| inetpro | good mornng | 19:22 |
| inetpro | oopss... evening already? | 19:23 |
| Kilos | morning inetpro | 19:23 |
| Kilos | you leave the pure guy to sukkel | 19:23 |
| inetpro | Kilos: what's that about that I should know/ | 19:23 |
| Kilos | read what deons prob is | 19:23 |
| inetpro | ai! | 19:23 |
| inetpro | you talk too much man | 19:23 |
| Kilos | networking kinda stuff methinks | 19:23 |
| Kilos | he at least understands what syslogs and stuff is | 19:24 |
| inetpro | Kilos: btw, I think wolfeyes might be blocked through his IP address rather than his nick | 19:24 |
| Kilos | aha | 19:25 |
| inetpro | but as usual I might be wrong as well | 19:25 |
| Kilos | ill get him to change that too then ty | 19:25 |
| Kilos | you normally right man' | 19:25 |
| Kilos | or close anyway | 19:25 |
| inetpro | Kilos: but if you/he sent the email it should be sorted already | 19:26 |
| inetpro | those guys never sleep | 19:26 |
| Kilos | ya he said he sent it same night | 19:26 |
| inetpro | it's not a serious blacklisting, don't make too much of it | 19:27 |
| inetpro | just blacklisted for freenode | 19:27 |
| Kilos | ya | 19:28 |
| inetpro | and I'd say it is a good thing they do that | 19:28 |
| inetpro | make you aware of your mess ups | 19:28 |
| Kilos | yeah | 19:28 |
| inetpro | to err is human | 19:29 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:30 |
| Kilos | i do it all the time | 19:30 |
| inetpro | you are forgiven | 19:31 |
| inetpro | :-) | 19:31 |
| Kilos | yeah because im old | 19:31 |
| Kilos | and cute | 19:31 |
| charl | nn all | 19:37 |
| inetpro | Kilos: you waiting for 23:00 again? | 19:48 |
| Kilos | no | 19:48 |
| inetpro | hmm... | 19:48 |
| * inetpro calling it a night | 19:49 | |
| Kilos | ok ballie | 19:49 |
| Kilos | sleep tight | 19:49 |
| inetpro | now time for the night shifters to come and steer the ship | 19:51 |
| WOLFEYES | thank you everyone who helped | 19:57 |
| WOLFEYES | good evening | 19:57 |
| Kilos | w0000t | 19:57 |
| Kilos | inetpro, ^^^ | 19:57 |
| Kilos | before you go sleep | 19:57 |
| WOLFEYES | lol | 19:57 |
| magespawn | good night all | 20:28 |
| WOLFEYES | night all | 20:29 |
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