[05:35] morning all [06:28] hi psychicist [07:28] 'lo [07:39] hello [07:41] peach and pear peanut butter protein breakfast smoothie mmmm [09:24] morning [09:24] hi DeonP [09:24] welcome to ubuntu-za [09:24] ty [09:25] i need some help and I hope someone can :) [09:25] aks and lets see [09:25] most guys not here yet [09:26] and im not a pro but can help with basics [09:26] axxess has started offering static IP's to customers but to get it you have to use a L2TP connection to their server [09:26] i'm looking for someone that has experience with xl2tpd [09:27] you might need to hang till this evening when the pros get on [09:27] what does google say [09:28] not much help on ubutu, tried various set ups as most pretty similar on red hat / centos but not winning [09:29] ok i will come back later then. [09:29] what os are you using ? [09:29] sundays are very quiet till evening [09:29] im the greeter bot here [09:29] occording to to pages they show how to start the connection and in the syslog should show xl2tpd running and then pppd making ppp connection [09:30] but in my case pppd never starts up, not sure why [09:30] ah [09:30] oh lol ok, will come back this evening and ask again [09:31] you welcome to stay here or even hang here daily [09:31] the big guns pop in and out all week [09:31] will do, i've been using ubuntu since 8.04 but this is the first time trying l2tp conection [09:31] oh and also you can join the linux studies group thats starting to do LPI soon [09:32] most the tutorials deal with ipsec/xl2tpd but i only ned l2tp [09:32] wow so long and you are even part of this channel yet [09:32] i sued to live in uk, been back 18 months now getting back into ubuntu. my laptop here runs 13.04 :) [09:33] cool [09:33] we got guys here from all over the world [09:33] all with za ties [09:34] and ubuntu dev guys as well [09:34] i best register then :) i have registered at launchpad when i was in uk [09:34] join our mailing list as well [09:34] ubuntu does have a huge sa tie :) [09:35] will do [09:35] http://bit.ly/MCOujZ [09:36] we have our own group from here that are starting the linux studies on our own study channel [09:37] we are quite a close knit friendly community [09:39] one of our dev guys is in the uk with canonical [09:39] tahst cool, ive done mailing list [09:39] where are you [09:40] centurion [09:41] i remember ordering the free cd's from uk and they were shipped from cape town :) [09:41] ah there are guys in jozi and pta but i think most are in ct [09:41] haha [09:43] it seemed ct was where it all happened [09:43] yeah most of our events are down there but the gauteng guys have release parties and stuff [09:44] i must keep my eyes open then [09:44] always news here and in the list [09:45] we have community meetings here once a month [09:45] next one 23rd sept [09:46] where will that be? [09:46] on this channel [09:46] ah ok [09:46] at 20.30 [09:46] everything happens or starts here [09:47] i'll put it in my calendar [09:48] easier to be here full time otherwise you miss too much [09:48] you dont use an irc client? [09:48] xchat rocks [09:48] yeah i got it lol [09:49] was googling and bumped into here, i will use xchat next time [09:49] only unity 13.04 hid all the workspaces [09:50] lucky [09:51] i screwed up my laptop upgrading from 12.04 to 13.04 lol, upgrade wiped my /var folder and lots of my web work [09:51] ouch [09:51] no backup? [09:52] im still on 12.04 [09:52] 13.04 too fancy and hides what i need to use [09:53] 12.02 unity and kde [09:53] 12.04 [09:53] i only lost 10 days so not too much of a biggy [09:53] only ten days [09:53] whew [09:53] i managed to catch up in about 3 days, lost of the stuff still in may head [09:54] *lots [09:54] ow [09:54] poor head [09:54] has 13.04 still got deja-dup in [09:54] makes serious backups [09:55] yeah [09:56] i usually just copy work onto an sd card, was stupid not to do it before upgrade lool [09:57] try deja-dup it works well [09:57] will do [10:01] i'm running have to light fire in webber :) [10:01] cool [10:02] you know where we are now [10:03] i'l be back [10:04] just going on xchat to make sure i got right chan set up [10:04] ok [10:04] put us in your favourites [10:05] too slow [10:06] wb DeonP [10:06] just swithced to xchat, to see i got right chan. all good now [10:06] lol [10:07] i'll use this later, ttyl [10:07] ok [10:21] hi Vince-0 [10:23] hi Kilos [11:48] good afternoon [11:48] Maaz: coffee on [11:48] * Maaz puts the kettle on [11:48] theblazehen: thanks for that link yesterday, watching the video now, absolutely brilliant [11:49] the talk by rms [11:52] Coffee's ready for charl! [11:52] Maaz: thanks [11:52] charl: Okay :-) [12:26] afternoon all [12:26] howdy Kilos [12:26] hi magespawn [12:27] hi magespawn [12:27] hi charl [12:28] hi charl [12:28] hi Kilos [14:17] np cahrl, hi guys [14:17] charl* [14:17] hi theblazehen [14:30] i listen to it in sections, it's [14:30] it's quite heavy material but extremely interesting [14:30] i love the way this guy thinks [14:30] i am really looking forward to hearing the south african recording too [14:44] hi Cantide [14:44] hi Cantide [14:45] rms is a guy i can respect [14:46] no facebook, no mobile phone, no dvds [14:46] hey charl, Kilos :) [14:46] at least i'm not the only "weird" one out there [14:46] i also refuse to have in my posession a mobile phone or carry one around with me [14:47] hehe [14:47] i feel better now [14:47] i read that not having a facebook account and not carrying a mobile phone is grounds for being suspected of terrorism [14:47] loool [14:47] in other words, either live in the matrix, or be a terrorist [14:48] that's crazy :) [14:48] in a few weeks i will be without a phone [14:48] but i will get a new one when i can >.< [14:49] apparently in korea they only use cdma [14:49] no gsm [14:50] heh [14:50] in africa and europa it's the opposite [14:50] in america they use both [14:50] i'll have to get a phone there [14:50] wb DeonP [14:50] ask your question now some of the guys woke up [14:50] hi DeonP [14:51] will in a min just logged in, getting food of webber, eat then chat :) [14:51] hi charl [14:51] i'm due for a new phone anyway [14:51] haha [14:51] this one is useless :) [14:51] hi DeonP [14:52] will chat in a bit but will need some help on xl2tpd setup without ipsec [14:52] hi Cantide [14:52] hes been on buntu since 8.04 and only just found us [14:52] o.o [14:52] that's a very specific question [14:53] you might need to hit #ubuntu if you don't get the answer here [14:53] its the clever guys that are like that, they dont need help from scratch [14:53] lol [14:53] will do, been bashing my head gainst a wall past week [14:53] yeah, that question is way higher than my level :D [14:53] i'm still n00b btw :) [14:53] i don't have any experience with ipsec [14:53] even though i've been using it since 9.04 [14:54] and x12tpd doesn't ring a bell [14:54] been using ubuntu since warty [14:54] axxess has started offering static IP's to customers but to get it you have to use a L2TP connection to their server [14:54] lol, not using ipsec thats the prob, all guides show ipsec, i only use l2tp with isp to get fixed ip [14:54] i'm looking for someone that has experience with xl2tpd [14:54] think so long charl [14:54] that was a long scroll back [14:55] thats who i'm dealing with but they have no clue on setting up server, can help with modem only [14:55] ty Kilos, going to have dinner nou, back in a bit [14:55] enjoy [14:56] wow i have absolutely zero experience with layer 2 tunneling [14:56] no i would say hit #ubuntu [14:56] i don't even use dsl i use cable [14:56] no man no one can get help there its a madhouse [14:56] one of our ballies will know [14:57] or hit http://askubuntu.com/ [14:57] or http://serverfault.com/ [15:06] i would suggest inetpro [15:06] yip he will have commands that sort it [15:18] i'm back [15:19] charl u in uk? [15:22] hi adeebnqo [15:22] DeonP, he is in the netherlands somewhere [15:22] hello: Kilos [15:23] DeonP, what is axxess [15:23] ah ok, i had cable in UK, sooo nice ran my own webserver from home on 30Mb connection [15:23] they an ISP [15:23] tied with mtn [15:24] not many mtn users here, they suck rather [15:24] latest bestest is 8ta [15:25] telkom mobile [15:25] most stable [15:25] lol yeah, they been losing subscribers but they big in fibre interconnect in SA [15:25] ah [15:25] mtn business that is [15:26] rural areas have no joy from them. lucky if you get edge speed [15:26] cell-c used to be bad but their coverage has grown exponentially [15:27] ye4ah but them too, they share 3g towers with voda and when voda is stretched you get cut to slow speed or disconnected [15:28] that was last year, voda would shut cell c out if their network was busy, they got their own towers now, much better [15:32] do they have a coverage map [15:32] yes [15:32] but 8ta rocks out here on the plot [15:32] and 2+1 for R149 is good [15:33] pretty good [15:34] and when the tower gives probs they send a techie out to you premises to check everything after repairing the tower [15:34] going to pop over to main ubuntu chat to see if any xl2tpd experts are on [15:34] takes a few days though [15:34] ok [15:34] tahst good, better than telkom adsl :) [15:35] just join them from here [15:35] /j #ubuntu [15:35] i did [15:35] i cant keep up with them [15:35] madhouse that [15:36] i see, hard to follow the convo lol [15:36] 1643 online [15:37] lol === psychici1t is now known as psychicist [15:51] later all [15:55] later [16:25] hi back [16:25] DeonP: no [16:27] DeonP: visited london once but only spent about 10 days there, i attended the mozilla festival back in 2011 [16:28] whats up? [16:28] DeonP: on #ubuntu just ask a question, they have a meta channel which records unanswered questions [16:28] hi kbmonkey [16:29] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MetaChannel [16:29] hi charl [16:29] how's it going [16:30] I am having a hard time trying to come up with a puzzle game for PyWeek [16:30] don't ask me i'm terrible at that kind of stuff [16:30] been at it for 6+ hours now, nothing solid yet [16:30] lol [16:30] i guess you have to be a gamer yourself in order to think things like that up [16:30] i have never been much of a gamer myself [16:30] ironically I am not :P [16:31] I am not a gamer, I just like puzzle games XD [16:32] am using these game compos as a means to learn python [16:32] the pressure is good [16:32] just made some pesto tagliatelle, delicious [16:32] wow! amazing. [16:32] I made stir fry [16:32] i didn't make it myself though, but i did buy it fresh [16:32] with oyster mushrooms. [16:33] yum [16:33] i mean, i boiled the pasta myself, but i didn't roll the pasta :P [16:35] that meta bot looks interesting [16:37] kbmonkey: yeah it was a good idea... [16:39] this is an interesting remark by stallman... [16:39] what the bluray companies are doing is encouraging piracy [16:40] mirated mkvs don't have encryption and can be freely played on all devices [16:40] *pirated [16:42] the Humble Bundle released stats that prove that selling stuff without DRM does not reduce profit. In fact people still payed for it. [16:44] And more in fact, Linux users payed more than the average! [16:44] Humble Bundle <3 [16:45] the guys at work know of it, all the windows users. they love it because it is cheap. we love it because it gives us new games. lol [16:47] yeah hahaha [16:47] i've only bought one bundle there so far [16:47] They have the comedy bundle on at the moment. [16:48] but i will buy another if it has nice games [16:48] yeah, i just checked [16:49] stallman is going rather controversial here towards the end with his ideas regarding artist compensation [16:49] up until now i've been with him 100% [16:49] but now i don't know anymore [16:50] i agree with him regarding intellectual property rights hoarding though [16:50] but i think it should be left to individuals to compensate the authors and how [16:51] the problem is that video and audio channels of distribution take so much from the artists :( [16:51] how so? [16:51] is that what RMS means? [16:51] not following you [16:51] rms is richard stallman [16:52] for example, the music industry is known for screwing over artists. [16:52] yes exactly [16:52] online distribution benefits artists, but not the music industry [16:52] that's why they're against it, not because it destroys artists [16:53] which is why Trent Reznor initiated hiw Ghosts project a few years ago, to prove you do not need a recording label [16:53] yes very good of him that [16:53] actual artists understand because they are the ones being screwed just as much as consumers [16:54] from all the bands of friends I've known, getting an album produced is stupidly expensive and the rewards are meek [16:55] yes the record companies are raking in the billions while artists get a fraction of a fraction of the profits [16:55] and end up having to do concerts to actually make some money [16:55] why not just distribute your content online [16:55] jamendo.com :D [16:55] and then have concerts in any case [16:56] jomendo - very nice [16:56] *jamando [16:58] it is a platform for artists to give their works away DRM free. donation driven [16:59] I like supporting those artists, good idea [16:59] that's what we need [16:59] we need to support those artists and encourage other artists to join them [16:59] and the money goes to the artists, not the copyright hoarders and trolls [17:06] whow this is scary - network implanted medical devices [17:06] i didn't realise those exist but i guess it was just a matter of time [17:06] *networked [17:09] I like these 8-bit game remixes - http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/773636/battle-city [17:10] no I should not be distracted at this time, I need a puzzle idea! [17:16] whow done with the video - was awesome [18:53] evening [18:53] hi magespawn [18:53] hi magespawn [19:09] hi magespawn [19:10] l8r folks, looks like i'm on my own with xl2tpd :) [19:10] ok DeonP we here everyday [19:11] when the pro gets here he might have an idea [19:11] even the fly [19:12] ok, will pop in tomorrow morning from work [19:12] yeah if they not too busy at work good otherwise in the evening again [19:14] its a wierd problem, ive seen syslogs on some pages and they show xl2tpd starting then pppd seting up pppoe con then xl2tp starting tunnel, on my side i see no pppd activity [19:15] no joy from #ubuntu [19:15] did anyone even answer you [19:16] maybe you got something missing with pppd [19:16] nope nothing [19:17] i can start a normal dsl link with bridged router but not via xl2tpd [19:17] i'm going to bed, have to be up early night all and thanks for trying [19:18] notmal adsl link used pppoe so yeah maybe prob is with pppd [19:19] sleep tight hopefully someone reads logs and comes up with the cure'\ [19:20] holding thubs [19:20] thumbs [19:20] :) [19:20] yeah it sucks when stuff dont work [19:22] hmm... [19:22] good mornng [19:23] oopss... evening already? [19:23] morning inetpro [19:23] you leave the pure guy to sukkel [19:23] Kilos: what's that about that I should know/ [19:23] read what deons prob is [19:23] ai! [19:23] you talk too much man [19:23] networking kinda stuff methinks [19:24] he at least understands what syslogs and stuff is [19:24] Kilos: btw, I think wolfeyes might be blocked through his IP address rather than his nick [19:25] aha [19:25] but as usual I might be wrong as well [19:25] ill get him to change that too then ty [19:25] you normally right man' [19:25] or close anyway [19:26] Kilos: but if you/he sent the email it should be sorted already [19:26] those guys never sleep [19:26] ya he said he sent it same night [19:27] it's not a serious blacklisting, don't make too much of it [19:27] just blacklisted for freenode [19:28] ya [19:28] and I'd say it is a good thing they do that [19:28] make you aware of your mess ups [19:28] yeah [19:29] to err is human [19:30] lol [19:30] i do it all the time [19:31] you are forgiven [19:31] :-) [19:31] yeah because im old [19:31] and cute [19:37] nn all [19:48] Kilos: you waiting for 23:00 again? [19:48] no [19:48] hmm... [19:49] * inetpro calling it a night [19:49] ok ballie [19:49] sleep tight [19:51] now time for the night shifters to come and steer the ship [19:57] thank you everyone who helped [19:57] good evening [19:57] w0000t [19:57] inetpro, ^^^ [19:57] before you go sleep [19:57] lol [20:28] good night all [20:29] night all