[05:35] <Kilos> morning all
[06:28] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[07:28] <Squirm> 'lo
[07:39] <kbmonkey> hello
[07:41] <kbmonkey> peach and pear peanut butter protein breakfast smoothie mmmm
[09:24] <DeonP> morning
[09:24] <Kilos> hi DeonP 
[09:24] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[09:24] <DeonP> ty 
[09:25] <DeonP> i need some help and I hope someone can :)
[09:25] <Kilos> aks and lets see
[09:25] <Kilos> most guys not here yet
[09:26] <Kilos> and im not a pro but can help with basics
[09:26] <DeonP> axxess has started offering static IP's to customers but to get it you have to use a L2TP connection to their server
[09:26] <DeonP> i'm looking for someone that has experience with xl2tpd
[09:27] <Kilos> you might need to hang till this evening when the pros get on
[09:27] <Kilos> what does google say
[09:28] <DeonP> not much help on ubutu, tried various set ups as most pretty similar on red hat / centos but not winning
[09:29] <DeonP> ok i will come back later then.
[09:29] <Kilos> what os are you using ?
[09:29] <Kilos> sundays are very quiet till evening
[09:29] <Kilos> im the greeter bot here
[09:29] <DeonP> occording to to pages they show how to start the connection and in the syslog should show xl2tpd running and then pppd making ppp connection
[09:30] <DeonP> but in my case pppd never starts up, not sure why
[09:30] <Kilos> ah
[09:30] <DeonP> oh lol ok, will come back this evening and ask again
[09:31] <Kilos> you welcome to stay here or even hang here daily
[09:31] <Kilos> the big guns pop in and out all week
[09:31] <DeonP> will do, i've been using ubuntu since 8.04 but this is the first time trying l2tp conection
[09:31] <Kilos> oh and also you can join the linux studies group thats starting to do LPI soon
[09:32] <DeonP> most the tutorials deal with ipsec/xl2tpd but i only ned l2tp
[09:32] <Kilos> wow so long and you are even part of this channel yet
[09:32] <DeonP> i sued to live in uk, been back 18 months now getting back into ubuntu. my laptop here runs 13.04 :)
[09:33] <Kilos> cool
[09:33] <Kilos> we got guys here from all over the world
[09:33] <Kilos> all with za ties
[09:34] <Kilos> and ubuntu dev guys as well
[09:34] <DeonP> i best register then :) i have registered at launchpad when i was in uk
[09:34] <Kilos> join our mailing list as well
[09:34] <DeonP> ubuntu does have a huge sa tie :)
[09:35] <DeonP> will do
[09:35] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/MCOujZ 
[09:36] <Kilos> we have our own group from here that are starting the linux studies on our own study channel
[09:37] <Kilos> we are quite a close knit friendly community
[09:39] <Kilos> one of our dev guys is in the uk with canonical
[09:39] <DeonP> tahst cool, ive done mailing list
[09:39] <Kilos> where are you
[09:40] <DeonP> centurion
[09:41] <DeonP> i remember ordering the free cd's from uk and they were shipped from cape town :)
[09:41] <Kilos> ah there are guys in jozi and pta but i think most are in ct 
[09:41] <Kilos> haha
[09:43] <DeonP> it seemed ct was where it all happened
[09:43] <Kilos> yeah most of our events are down there but the gauteng guys have release parties and stuff
[09:44] <DeonP> i must keep my eyes open then
[09:44] <Kilos> always news here and in the list
[09:45] <Kilos> we have community meetings here once a month
[09:45] <Kilos> next one 23rd sept
[09:46] <DeonP> where will that be?
[09:46] <Kilos> on this channel
[09:46] <DeonP> ah ok
[09:46] <Kilos> at 20.30
[09:46] <Kilos> everything happens or starts here
[09:47] <DeonP> i'll put it in my calendar
[09:48] <Kilos> easier to be here full time otherwise you miss too much
[09:48] <Kilos> you dont use an irc client?
[09:48] <Kilos> xchat rocks
[09:48] <DeonP> yeah i got it lol
[09:49] <DeonP> was googling and bumped into here, i will use xchat next time
[09:49] <Kilos> only unity 13.04 hid all the workspaces
[09:50] <Kilos> lucky
[09:51] <DeonP> i screwed up my laptop upgrading from 12.04 to 13.04 lol, upgrade wiped my /var folder and lots of my web work
[09:51] <Kilos> ouch
[09:51] <Kilos> no backup?
[09:52] <Kilos> im still on 12.04
[09:52] <Kilos> 13.04 too fancy and hides what i need to use
[09:53] <Kilos> 12.02 unity and kde
[09:53] <Kilos> 12.04
[09:53] <DeonP> i only lost 10 days so not too much of a biggy
[09:53] <Kilos> only ten days
[09:53] <Kilos> whew
[09:53] <DeonP> i managed to catch up in about 3 days, lost of the stuff still in may head
[09:54] <DeonP> *lots
[09:54] <Kilos> ow
[09:54] <Kilos> poor head
[09:54] <Kilos> has 13.04 still got deja-dup in
[09:54] <Kilos> makes serious backups
[09:55] <DeonP> yeah
[09:56] <DeonP> i usually just copy work onto an sd card, was stupid not to do it before upgrade lool
[09:57] <Kilos> try deja-dup it works well
[09:57] <DeonP> will do
[10:01] <DeonP> i'm running have to light fire in webber :)
[10:01] <Kilos> cool
[10:02] <Kilos> you know where we are now
[10:03] <DeonP> i'l be  back
[10:04] <DeonP> just going on xchat to make sure i got right chan set up
[10:04] <Kilos> ok
[10:04] <Kilos> put us in your favourites
[10:05] <Kilos> too slow
[10:06] <Kilos> wb DeonP 
[10:06] <DeonP> just swithced to xchat, to see i got right chan. all good now
[10:06] <Kilos> lol
[10:07] <DeonP> i'll use this later, ttyl
[10:07] <Kilos> ok
[10:21] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[10:23] <Vince-0> hi Kilos
[11:48] <charl> good afternoon
[11:48] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[11:48]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[11:48] <charl> theblazehen: thanks for that link yesterday, watching the video now, absolutely brilliant
[11:49] <charl> the talk by rms
[11:52] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[11:52] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[11:52] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[12:26] <magespawn> afternoon all
[12:26] <magespawn> howdy Kilos
[12:26] <charl> hi magespawn 
[12:27] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[12:27] <magespawn> hi charl
[12:28] <Kilos> hi charl 
[12:28] <charl> hi Kilos 
[14:17] <theblazehen> np cahrl, hi guys
[14:17] <theblazehen> charl*
[14:17] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[14:30] <charl> i listen to it in sections, it's 
[14:30] <charl> it's quite heavy material but extremely interesting
[14:30] <charl> i love the way this guy thinks
[14:30] <charl> i am really looking forward to hearing the south african recording too
[14:44] <charl> hi Cantide 
[14:44] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[14:45] <charl> rms is a guy i can respect
[14:46] <charl> no facebook, no mobile phone, no dvds
[14:46] <Cantide> hey charl, Kilos :)
[14:46] <charl> at least i'm not the only "weird" one out there
[14:46] <charl> i also refuse to have in my posession a mobile phone or carry one around with me
[14:47] <Kilos> hehe
[14:47] <charl> i feel better now
[14:47] <charl> i read that not having a facebook account and not carrying a mobile phone is grounds for being suspected of terrorism
[14:47] <Cantide> loool
[14:47] <charl> in other words, either live in the matrix, or be a terrorist
[14:48] <Cantide> that's crazy :)
[14:48] <Cantide> in a few weeks i will be without a phone
[14:48] <Cantide> but i will get a new one when i can >.<
[14:49] <charl> apparently in korea they only use cdma
[14:49] <charl> no gsm
[14:50] <Cantide> heh
[14:50] <charl> in africa and europa it's the opposite
[14:50] <charl> in america they use both
[14:50] <Cantide> i'll have to get a phone there
[14:50] <Kilos> wb DeonP 
[14:50] <Kilos> ask your question now some of the guys woke up
[14:50] <charl> hi DeonP 
[14:51] <DeonP> will in a min just logged in, getting food of webber, eat then chat :)
[14:51] <DeonP> hi charl
[14:51] <Cantide> i'm due for a new phone anyway
[14:51] <Kilos> haha
[14:51] <Cantide> this one is useless :)
[14:51] <Cantide> hi DeonP
[14:52] <DeonP> will chat in a bit but will need some help on xl2tpd setup without ipsec
[14:52] <DeonP> hi Cantide
[14:52] <Kilos> hes been on buntu since 8.04  and only just found us
[14:52] <Cantide> o.o
[14:52] <charl> that's a very specific question
[14:53] <charl> you might need to hit #ubuntu if you don't get the answer here
[14:53] <Kilos> its the clever guys that are like that, they dont need help from scratch
[14:53] <Cantide> lol
[14:53] <DeonP> will do, been bashing my head gainst a wall past week
[14:53] <Cantide> yeah, that question is way higher than my level :D
[14:53] <Cantide> i'm still n00b btw :)
[14:53] <charl> i don't have any experience with ipsec
[14:53] <Cantide> even though i've been using it since 9.04
[14:54] <charl> and x12tpd doesn't ring a bell
[14:54] <charl> been using ubuntu since warty
 axxess has started offering static IP's to customers but to get it you have to use a L2TP connection to their server
[14:54] <DeonP> lol,  not using ipsec thats the prob, all guides show ipsec, i only use l2tp with isp to get fixed ip
 i'm looking for someone that has experience with xl2tpd
[14:54] <Kilos> think so long charl
[14:54] <Kilos> that was a long scroll back
[14:55] <DeonP> thats who i'm dealing with but they have no clue on setting up server, can help with modem only
[14:55] <DeonP> ty Kilos, going to have dinner nou, back in a bit
[14:55] <Kilos> enjoy
[14:56] <charl> wow i have absolutely zero experience with layer 2 tunneling
[14:56] <charl> no i would say hit #ubuntu
[14:56] <charl> i don't even use dsl i use cable
[14:56] <Kilos> no man no one can get help there its a madhouse
[14:56] <Kilos> one of our ballies will know
[14:57] <charl> or hit http://askubuntu.com/
[14:57] <charl> or http://serverfault.com/
[15:06] <magespawn> i would suggest inetpro
[15:06] <Kilos> yip he will have commands that sort it
[15:18] <DeonP> i'm back
[15:19] <DeonP> charl u in uk?
[15:22] <Kilos> hi adeebnqo 
[15:22] <Kilos> DeonP, he is in the netherlands somewhere
[15:22] <adeebnqo> hello: Kilos
[15:23] <Kilos> DeonP, what is axxess
[15:23] <DeonP> ah ok, i had cable in UK, sooo nice ran my own webserver from home on 30Mb connection
[15:23] <DeonP> they an ISP
[15:23] <DeonP> tied with mtn
[15:24] <Kilos> not many mtn users here, they suck rather
[15:24] <Kilos> latest bestest is 8ta
[15:25] <Kilos> telkom mobile
[15:25] <Kilos> most stable
[15:25] <DeonP> lol yeah, they been losing subscribers but they big in fibre interconnect in SA
[15:25] <Kilos> ah
[15:25] <DeonP> mtn business that is
[15:26] <Kilos> rural areas have no joy from them. lucky if you get edge speed
[15:26] <DeonP> cell-c used to be bad but their coverage has grown exponentially
[15:27] <Kilos> ye4ah but them too, they share 3g towers with voda and when voda is stretched you get cut to slow speed or disconnected
[15:28] <DeonP> that was last year, voda would shut cell c out if their network was busy, they got their own towers now, much better
[15:32] <Kilos> do they have a coverage map
[15:32] <DeonP> yes
[15:32] <Kilos> but 8ta rocks out here on the plot
[15:32] <Kilos> and 2+1 for R149 is good
[15:33] <DeonP> pretty good
[15:34] <Kilos> and when the tower gives probs they send a techie out to you premises to check everything after repairing the tower
[15:34] <DeonP> going to pop over to main ubuntu chat to see if any xl2tpd experts are on
[15:34] <Kilos> takes a few days though
[15:34] <Kilos> ok
[15:34] <DeonP> tahst good, better than telkom adsl :)
[15:35] <Kilos> just join them from here
[15:35] <Kilos>    /j #ubuntu
[15:35] <DeonP> i did
[15:35] <Kilos> i cant keep up with them
[15:35] <Kilos> madhouse that
[15:36] <DeonP> i see, hard to follow the convo lol
[15:36] <DeonP> 1643 online
[15:37] <Kilos> lol
[15:51] <magespawn> later all
[15:55] <Kilos> later
[16:25] <charl> hi back
[16:25] <charl> DeonP: no
[16:27] <charl> DeonP: visited london once but only spent about 10 days there, i attended the mozilla festival back in 2011
[16:28] <kbmonkey> whats up?
[16:28] <charl> DeonP: on #ubuntu just ask a question, they have a meta channel which records unanswered questions
[16:28] <charl> hi kbmonkey 
[16:29] <charl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MetaChannel
[16:29] <kbmonkey> hi charl 
[16:29] <charl> how's it going
[16:30] <kbmonkey> I am having a hard time trying to come up with a puzzle game for PyWeek
[16:30] <charl> don't ask me i'm terrible at that kind of stuff
[16:30] <kbmonkey> been at it for 6+ hours now, nothing solid yet
[16:30] <kbmonkey> lol
[16:30] <charl> i guess you have to be a gamer yourself in order to think things like that up
[16:30] <charl> i have never been much of a gamer myself
[16:30] <kbmonkey> ironically I am not :P
[16:31] <kbmonkey> I am not a gamer, I just like puzzle games XD
[16:32] <kbmonkey> am using these game compos as a means to learn python
[16:32] <kbmonkey> the pressure is good
[16:32] <charl> just made some pesto tagliatelle, delicious
[16:32] <kbmonkey> wow! amazing.
[16:32] <kbmonkey> I made stir fry
[16:32] <charl> i didn't make it myself though, but i did buy it fresh
[16:32] <kbmonkey> with oyster mushrooms.
[16:33] <Kilos> yum
[16:33] <charl> i mean, i boiled the pasta myself, but i didn't roll the pasta :P
[16:35] <kbmonkey> that meta bot looks interesting
[16:37] <charl> kbmonkey: yeah it was a good idea...
[16:39] <charl> this is an interesting remark by stallman...
[16:39] <charl> what the bluray companies are doing is encouraging piracy
[16:40] <charl> mirated mkvs don't have encryption and can be freely played on all devices
[16:40] <charl> *pirated
[16:42] <kbmonkey> the Humble Bundle released stats that prove that selling stuff without DRM does not reduce profit. In fact people still payed for it.
[16:44] <kbmonkey> And more in fact, Linux users payed more than the average!
[16:44] <Cantide> Humble Bundle <3
[16:45] <kbmonkey> the guys at work know of it, all the windows users. they love it because it is cheap. we love it because it gives us new games. lol
[16:47] <Cantide> yeah hahaha
[16:47] <Cantide> i've only bought one bundle there so far
[16:47] <kbmonkey> They have the comedy bundle on at the moment.
[16:48] <Cantide> but i will buy another if it has nice games
[16:48] <Cantide> yeah, i just checked
[16:49] <charl> stallman is going rather controversial here towards the end with his ideas regarding artist compensation
[16:49] <charl> up until now i've been with him 100%
[16:49] <charl> but now i don't know anymore
[16:50] <charl> i agree with him regarding intellectual property rights hoarding though
[16:50] <charl> but i think it should be left to individuals to compensate the authors and how
[16:51] <kbmonkey> the problem is that video and audio channels of distribution take so much from the artists :(
[16:51] <charl> how so?
[16:51] <kbmonkey> is that what RMS means?
[16:51] <charl> not following you
[16:51] <charl> rms is richard stallman
[16:52] <kbmonkey> for example, the music industry is known for screwing over artists. 
[16:52] <charl> yes exactly
[16:52] <charl> online distribution benefits artists, but not the music industry
[16:52] <charl> that's why they're against it, not because it destroys artists
[16:53] <kbmonkey> which is why Trent Reznor initiated hiw Ghosts project a few years ago, to prove you do not need a recording label
[16:53] <charl> yes very good of him that
[16:53] <charl> actual artists understand because they are the ones being screwed just as much as consumers
[16:54] <kbmonkey> from all the bands of friends I've known, getting an album produced is stupidly expensive and the rewards are meek 
[16:55] <charl> yes the record companies are raking in the billions while artists get a fraction of a fraction of the profits
[16:55] <charl> and end up having to do concerts to actually make some money
[16:55] <charl> why not just distribute your content online
[16:55] <kbmonkey> jamendo.com :D
[16:55] <charl> and then have concerts in any case
[16:56] <charl> jomendo - very nice
[16:56] <charl> *jamando
[16:58] <kbmonkey> it is a platform for artists to give their works away DRM free. donation driven
[16:59] <kbmonkey> I like supporting those artists, good idea
[16:59] <charl> that's what we need
[16:59] <charl> we need to support those artists and encourage other artists to join them
[16:59] <charl> and the money goes to the artists, not the copyright hoarders and trolls
[17:06] <charl> whow this is scary - network implanted medical devices
[17:06] <charl> i didn't realise those exist but i guess it was just a matter of time
[17:06] <charl> *networked
[17:09] <kbmonkey> I like these 8-bit game remixes - http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/773636/battle-city
[17:10] <kbmonkey> no I should not be distracted at this time, I need a puzzle idea!
[17:16] <charl> whow done with the video - was awesome
[18:53] <magespawn> evening
[18:53] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[18:53] <charl> hi magespawn 
[19:09] <theblazehen> hi magespawn 
[19:10] <DeonP> l8r folks, looks like i'm on my own with xl2tpd :)
[19:10] <Kilos> ok DeonP we here everyday
[19:11] <Kilos> when the pro gets here he might have an idea
[19:11] <Kilos> even the fly
[19:12] <DeonP> ok, will pop in tomorrow morning from work
[19:12] <Kilos> yeah if they not too busy at work good otherwise in the evening again
[19:14] <DeonP> its a wierd problem, ive seen syslogs on some pages and they show xl2tpd starting then pppd seting up pppoe con then xl2tp starting tunnel, on my side i see no pppd activity
[19:15] <Kilos> no joy from #ubuntu
[19:15] <Kilos> did anyone even answer you
[19:16] <Kilos> maybe you got something missing with pppd
[19:16] <DeonP> nope nothing
[19:17] <DeonP> i can start a normal dsl link with bridged router but not via xl2tpd
[19:17] <DeonP> i'm going to bed, have to be up early night all and thanks for trying
[19:18] <DeonP> notmal adsl link used pppoe so yeah maybe prob is with pppd
[19:19] <Kilos> sleep tight hopefully someone reads logs and comes up with the cure'\
[19:20] <DeonP> holding thubs
[19:20] <DeonP> thumbs
[19:20] <DeonP> :)
[19:20] <Kilos> yeah it sucks when stuff dont work
[19:22] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:22] <inetpro> good mornng
[19:23] <inetpro> oopss... evening already?
[19:23] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[19:23] <Kilos> you leave the pure guy to sukkel
[19:23] <inetpro> Kilos: what's that about that I should know/
[19:23] <Kilos> read what deons prob is
[19:23] <inetpro> ai!
[19:23] <inetpro> you talk too much man
[19:23] <Kilos> networking kinda stuff methinks
[19:24] <Kilos> he at least understands what syslogs and stuff is
[19:24] <inetpro> Kilos: btw, I think wolfeyes might be blocked through his IP address rather than his nick
[19:25] <Kilos> aha
[19:25] <inetpro> but as usual I might be wrong as well
[19:25] <Kilos> ill get him to change that too then ty
[19:25] <Kilos> you normally right man'
[19:25] <Kilos> or close anyway
[19:26] <inetpro> Kilos: but if you/he sent the email it should be sorted already
[19:26] <inetpro> those guys never sleep
[19:26] <Kilos> ya he said he sent it same night
[19:27] <inetpro> it's not a serious blacklisting, don't make too much of it
[19:27] <inetpro> just blacklisted for freenode
[19:28] <Kilos> ya
[19:28] <inetpro> and I'd say it is a good thing they do that
[19:28] <inetpro> make you aware of your mess ups
[19:28] <Kilos> yeah
[19:29] <inetpro> to err is human
[19:30] <Kilos> lol
[19:30] <Kilos> i do it all the time
[19:31] <inetpro> you are forgiven
[19:31] <inetpro> :-)
[19:31] <Kilos> yeah because im old
[19:31] <Kilos> and cute
[19:37] <charl> nn all
[19:48] <inetpro> Kilos: you waiting for 23:00 again?
[19:48] <Kilos> no
[19:48] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:49]  * inetpro calling it a night
[19:49] <Kilos> ok ballie
[19:49] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:51] <inetpro> now time for the night shifters to come and steer the ship
[19:57] <WOLFEYES> thank you everyone who helped
[19:57] <WOLFEYES> good evening
[19:57] <Kilos> w0000t
[19:57] <Kilos> inetpro, ^^^
[19:57] <Kilos> before you go sleep
[19:57] <WOLFEYES> lol
[20:28] <magespawn> good night all
[20:29] <WOLFEYES> night all