[13:27] <smartboyhw> zequence, hello:)
[13:28] <zequence> smartboyhw: hi
[13:30] <zequence> OvenWerk1: I'd rather work on replacing qjackctl with a new tool
[13:30] <zequence> i.e. -controls
[13:30] <OvenWerk1> zequence: what would you use to make jack conections?
[13:31] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK, I'm starting to feel dizzy as to what we are planning for 14.04 LTS now-.-
[13:31] <OvenWerk1> smartboyhw: new artwork.
[13:32] <zequence> OvenWerk1: patchage, or a modded version of it, as falktx uses
[13:32] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, well, that's not just it, right?!
[13:32] <zequence> smartboyhw: no
[13:32] <OvenWerk1> I have had patchage crash on me too many times.
[13:33] <OvenWerk1> smartboyhw: sorry, I was joking, art is the one thing we have talked about..
[13:34] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, lol. I do think we need to start planning for 14.04 now (don't know if you guys like it), but we seem to have quite a lot of things planned and I can't remember all of them-.-
[13:34] <OvenWerk1> ardour3. Sync the CAPs plugins would be nice.
[13:34] <zequence> We do planning when this cycle is done
[13:35] <zequence> though, 14.04 has already been mapped out quite well in planning already
[13:35] <zequence> one just needs to read through it
[13:36] <OvenWerk1> FF is past, we could look more at 14.04. Only artwork left for this cycle.
[13:36] <smartboyhw> Yeah, and it's madeinkobaia's job:P
[13:37] <zequence> in time
[13:37]  * OvenWerk1 has done the stuff he wanted for this cycle
[13:37] <zequence> yes, and that was very good of you
[13:37] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, congratulations
[13:37]  * smartboyhw didn't do anything this cycle basically;P
[13:37] <smartboyhw> Fortunately, I got goals for 14.04
[13:38] <smartboyhw> If not I will be a noob here;P
[13:38] <zequence> We need to have a meeting at some point
[13:38] <zequence> at least one meeting before we start working on the next cycle
[13:38]  * smartboyhw agrees
[13:38] <OvenWerk1> It looks like some of the broken things for xfce will get fixed.
[13:39] <OvenWerk1> arandr can go, I think.
[13:40] <zequence> If someone wants, they could put some time on thinking about how we do beta testing
[13:41] <zequence> we should make sure no application is suffering from bad packaging, etc
[13:41]  * smartboyhw should (by his role)
[13:41] <zequence> and just generally try to catch bugs
[13:41] <OvenWerk1> kdenlive seems to work.
[13:41] <OvenWerk1> jack works, ardour does.
[13:42] <zequence> Did you check full functionality, or just make sure the applications start?
[13:42] <OvenWerk1> the audio applet doesn't
[13:42] <zequence> well, there's one problem then - but I suppose Xubuntu is on it?
[13:42] <zequence> as it's shared by both..
[13:42] <OvenWerk1> kdenlive I made/edited a video.
[13:42] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, we have quality control in KDE here;P
[13:42] <zequence> I don't think it's helpful citing which apps works on this channel
[13:42] <OvenWerk1> xubuntu has a fix... if they can get it out
[13:42] <zequence> there's bugs for testing applications. and we need to write test cases 
[13:43] <zequence> ok, so then it's not a problem 
[13:45] <OvenWerk1> I don't know where to go with blender though. How to test functionality.
[13:45] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, well, it's just a matter of how a normal user uses it
[13:45] <smartboyhw> As long as we know how they use it, we test it by doing the exact same
[13:45]  * OvenWerk1 is trying to say there are a number of apps thet require some knowlage of the craft.
[13:46] <zequence> The one who writes the test case needs to know the application
[13:46] <zequence> and the idea is we involve our users in this
[13:46] <smartboyhw> zequence, yes we are supposed to
[13:46] <OvenWerk1> good
[13:47] <OvenWerk1> The one thing I did notice with kdenlive is the docs don't work.
[13:48] <OvenWerk1> It seems the required kde infrastructure is not installed/running
[13:49] <OvenWerk1> Also, there are now 4 BG processes running for KDE that are no longer in use.
[13:49] <zequence> sounds like a packaging problem
[13:49] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, huh?
[13:49] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, how?
[13:51] <OvenWerk1> kdeinit4 klauncher kded4 /usr/bin/knotify4 were started by kdenlive, but of course kdenlive expects them to remain running so it doesn't kill them.
[13:52] <OvenWerk1> This is part of the problem with any kde app.
[13:55]  * OvenWerk1 kills these things and starts krita
[14:09] <OvenWerk1> krita starts more kde BG stuff... and it is not the same ones, so after running both krita and kdenlive we would have 6 spare things running around. However the doc book in krita is a web page.
[14:11] <smartboyhw> What did I miss?!
[14:12] <OvenWerk1> 06:50 < OvenWerk1> kdeinit4 klauncher kded4 /usr/bin/knotify4 were started by  kdenlive, but of course kdenlive expects them to remain  running so it doesn't kill them.
[14:12] <OvenWerk1> 06:50 < OvenWerk1> This is part of the problem with any kde app.
[14:12] <OvenWerk1> 06:54  * OvenWerk1 kills these things and starts krita
[14:12] <OvenWerk1> krita starts more kde BG stuff... and it is not the same  ones, so after running both krita and kdenlive we would have  6 spare things running around. However the doc book in krita  is a web page.
[14:13]  * smartboyhw recommends OvenWerk1 to use the IRC logs syntax selection of paste.ubuntu.com next time:)
[14:15] <OvenWerk1> They don't seem to be actively using cpu, but they are using 115M of RAM
[14:25] <OvenWerk1> khelpcenter is quite small, we could include it.... but then I got a not found page...
[14:26] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, :O
[14:31] <OvenWerk1> There is not a kdenlive doc package, but there are online docs.
[14:36] <OvenWerk1> The kdenlive-data package (which we ship) does seem to have the offline docs there. The help center just doesn't seem to know about it.
[15:17] <OvenWerk1> Hmm, the extra installer for each workflow should include the ubuntustudio meta for that workflow.
[15:18] <OvenWerk1> That would be less confusing for someone who added the menu to another DE
[15:31] <OvenWerk1> GA! found the problem with the kdenlive docbook... which doesn't work in a kubuntu session either.