[00:50] <ali1234> this is nearly working...
[00:51] <ali1234> it's loading the indicators and starting the services, but then crashing
[00:53] <ali1234> haha, it's crashing because indicator-datetime is super wide
[00:54] <ali1234> it doesn't like indicator-session either, another wide one
[00:56] <ali1234> ok i removed all the indicator-ngs except sound menu, and it works
[00:57] <Unit193> ochosi: ^  Workin' but not for long ones.
[00:59] <ali1234> is that a known issue?
[01:01] <ali1234> everything in the sound menu seems to work (except the things that are currently known to be broken)
[01:08] <ali1234> hmm it looks like it's not the wide ones that make it crash
[01:08] <ali1234> maybe it's ones that don't want to show themselves
[01:12] <ali1234> i see the problem
[01:12] <ali1234> it crashes if it is small and it has no icon
[01:26] <ali1234> hmm ok, they all work except the keyboard one, which has neither an icon nor a label and therefore triggers a corner case null pointer dereference
[01:41] <ali1234> screenshot: https://plus.google.com/117474986382867317779/posts/R1coXZ1iX3N
[01:54] <OvenWerk1> looks wonderful (and unbroken ;)
[01:56] <ali1234> ah the broken thing in sound menu is that mouse wheel over the main icon doesn't work, but that's currently broken in unity too afaik
[01:57] <Unit193> Dang, that's the one I use a lot. :/
[01:57] <ali1234> yeah me too
[02:38] <micahg> Noskcaj: we can take it under the pkg-xubuntu team (once I get it created)
[02:39] <micahg> assuming no one in pkg-gnome wants it
[02:43] <ochosi> ali1234: have you updated your indicator-plugin lately? there is an important icon-fix that landed two days ago or so
[02:43] <ali1234> yes i pulled before starting this
[02:44] <ali1234> i'm prepare a pull request now
[02:44] <ali1234> but i need to fix the coding style and also make it work with the white/blacklisting
[02:44] <ochosi> ok, good to know
[02:44] <ali1234> nearly done tho
[02:45] <Noskcaj> micahg, gnome's reply was they have too many packages already and shotwell is more "gnome"
[02:45] <Noskcaj> When do you expect to have the pkg-xubuntu team ready?
[02:45] <ochosi> ali1234: sweet!
[02:47] <ochosi> ali1234: and please do get in direct contact with andrzejr, justnso that the work isnt done twice
[02:48] <ochosi> also, as micahg said this might go into backports, so maybe it isnt alltoolate
[02:50] <micahg> Noskcaj: I have to find a DD to create it apparently, will try in the next week
[02:51] <Noskcaj> micahg, maybe on of the pkg-xfce guys might help us?
[02:52] <micahg> Noskcaj: I've got plenty of DDs to ask :), I just have to figure out who to victim^Wask for assistance
[02:52] <Unit193> Ahaha! :D
[02:52] <Noskcaj> ok
[02:55] <micahg> not too late if it's stable and we can get enough testing for the rdepends
[02:55] <micahg> ochosi: ali1234 ^^
[02:56] <ochosi> i think the most active team this cycle were testers, so there's still hope then 
[02:57] <Noskcaj> ochosi, let me know if you want me to test anything
[02:57] <ochosi> ali1234: i noticed the bug with the scrollwheel too, but it cant be too hard to fix
[02:57] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Did you want to test your OEM branch?
[02:58] <ali1234> ochosi: maybe we're simply not passing it through - but when the indicator itself is broken it's hard to tell
[02:58] <Noskcaj> Unit193, I could, if no one  else is
[02:58] <ochosi> ali1234: yeah, or maybe there are some gtk3 specific changes, havent looked at the code yet
[03:00] <ochosi> ok, folks, my train is close to the border
[03:00] <ochosi> nighht everyone
[03:51] <ali1234> ok, the code is here: https://github.com/ali1234/xfce4-indicator-applet/commits/indicator-ng
[03:51] <ali1234> i've sent it to andrzejr too
[03:51] <ali1234> anywhere else i should send it?
[16:34] <ochosi> ali1234: no, andrzejr is taking care of it
[16:34] <ochosi> so it should be sufficient to send it to him
[16:35] <ochosi> ali1234: oh, and just to be sure you could/should join #xfce-dev, because that's where he hangs out
[19:19]  * Noskcaj just turned his computer on to 10 apport messages
[19:31] <ochosi> ali1234: if possible, could you give micahg a quick review of the stability/status of the gtk3 indicators in 13.10
[19:31] <ali1234> where?
[19:32] <ochosi> just here
[19:35] <ali1234> ok. well, everything seems to work except for the keyboard indicator, which leaves a blank space if installed. i'm not quite sure why
[19:35] <ali1234> and the mousewheel maybe broken, but i can't tell
[19:36] <ali1234> and also all the "edit" items in the menus try to load the wrong configuration tools, often they don't work at all because they have OnlyShowIn=Unity in the .desktops (this affects gnome too though)
[19:37] <ochosi> micahg: ^
[19:38] <ochosi> any stability concerns? crashes?
[19:38] <micahg> hrm, we can get those fixed too
[19:38] <micahg> can we start a blueprint or pad with all the current bugs/things we need to fix to make this work
[19:38] <ali1234> i haven't seen it crash at all, it's only been a day though
[19:40] <ali1234> the network, sound, and messaging indicators work perfectly except maybe for mouse scrolling on the sound icon
[19:44] <ali1234> the changes for indicator-ng are actually even more simple than i first though - if there was no need to support the two different systems, the patch would literally be about three lines
[23:19] <micahg> knome: should I add gtk-theme-config to our -desktop?