[01:03] <manchicken> apachelogger: You there?
[02:23] <manchicken> Anybody want to help me make a decision here?
[06:25] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:52] <soee> good morning
[06:56] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you doing?
[06:57] <soee> lordievader, very good, thank you :) finally some reasonable temperature :)
[06:57] <lordievader> soee: How warm is it at your end?
[06:58] <soee> How warm is it at your end ? how should i read it :) 
[06:58] <lordievader> soee: What temperature is it there ;)
[06:59] <soee> 15
[07:00] <lordievader> Here it is currently 16 should go up a few degrees during the day.
[07:00] <soee> but its not 30 :D
[07:02] <lordievader> Jup that's great :)
[07:03] <soee> lordievader, are you maybe on saucy ?
[07:03] <lordievader> soee: Yes I am.
[07:03] <soee> are you using network manager ?
[07:03] <lordievader> On one machine at least.
[07:03] <lordievader> No I got my network devices set up in /etc/network/interfaces
[07:03] <soee> ah ok :)
[07:08] <smartboyhw> !find dbusmenuimporter.h
[07:09] <smartboyhw> Thank you ubottu :D
[09:08] <lordievader> soee: You were talking about the network manager earlier in Saucy, did you mean the two network icons?
[09:08] <soee> lordievader, yeah the icon that opens widget to manage connections
[09:10] <lordievader> soee: Yes that one, I think it is interfering with my network mounts in fstab...
[11:19] <Riddell> how's this? http://www.kubuntu.org/support
[11:21] <smartboyhw> Riddell, http://kubuntu.emerge-open.com/buy how come is hourly support per month and per year the same price as one call?!
[11:22] <Riddell> hmm, good question
[11:23] <Riddell> oh you choose how many hours a month you buy
[11:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell, um, you'd better specift
[11:23] <smartboyhw> I'm quite confused
[11:23] <Riddell> vinay_: is the guy to poke about that
[11:28] <vinay_> hi, each hour is the same price but you choose the package in respect to if you want those hours per month or per year
[11:29] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ^^
[11:29] <smartboyhw> vinay_, OK
[11:29] <smartboyhw> Riddell, it's good then
[11:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I'm getting a notification on Kubuntu 13.10 that 'A new version of Kubuntu is available-.-"
[11:43] <lordievader> Hehe 14.04 already? :P
[11:43] <smartboyhw> lordievader, weird, I say
[11:43] <Riddell> yes rather weird
[11:43] <lordievader> Indeed.
[11:53] <Riddell> how's this? http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/kubuntu-commercial-banner.png
[11:53] <mikhas> commercial support? what's that?
[11:54] <smartboyhw> mikhas, you pay for support
[11:54] <smartboyhw> Of course, all the free channels exist:P
[11:54] <smartboyhw> But, if you are in an emergency, that might help
[11:56] <mikhas> I doubt "commercial support" targets regular users
[11:56] <mikhas> also, no info about EmergeOpen yet: http://www.emerge-open.com/holding/index.php
[11:57] <Riddell> yes, curious for a guy who needs to show a professional image to the world
[11:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[11:57] <mikhas> do you? ;-)
[11:58] <smartboyhw> Riddell, KDE SC 4.11.1 won't make it to Beta 1 right?
[11:58] <smartboyhw> Saucy I mean
[11:58] <Riddell> smartboyhw: no I can't see that happening
[11:58] <smartboyhw> Riddell, let's just ship with KDE SC 4.11.0 then:)
[12:20] <Riddell> smartboyhw: hmm your frameworks story has an unprofessional comment towards the end "(it would be nice to put the above in a table form, perhaps, but I - jos - dunno how :D)"
[12:21] <Riddell> oh it hasn't been published
[12:21] <Riddell> that's ok then
[12:37] <smartboyhw> Riddell, heh
[12:49] <Riddell> how's this? kubuntu.org/news/commercial-support
[12:50] <smartboyhw> Riddell, gd
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:51] <soee> is good
[12:56] <Riddell> ta da http://www.kubuntu.org/news/commercial-support
[12:56] <Riddell> vinay_: expect that phone to be ringing all day long now :)
[12:58] <smartboyhw> Yes, that is super important too:p
[13:01] <lordievader> smartboyhw: This Thursday?
[13:01] <smartboyhw> lordievader, YES
[13:01] <smartboyhw> We will soon launch testing:)
[13:01] <lordievader> smartboyhw: Ah great :D
[13:06] <smartboyhw> Anyone participating in their city's event of http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/ this year?
[13:51] <Riddell> hmm, do we want to package this? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/09/install-kde-connect-on-ubuntu-get-call-notifications
[13:51] <Riddell> kubotu: newpackage kde-connect 
[13:51] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help newpackage'
[13:52] <Riddell> kubotu: newpackage kde-connect 1.0 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/09/install-kde-connect-on-ubuntu-get-call-notifications
[13:52] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1219839
[13:52] <smartboyhw> Riddell, for an FFe?
[13:53]  * smartboyhw can package it if nobody wants to do it
[13:54] <Riddell> smartboyhw: presumably, needs investigating if it's useful yet, I'm just impressed that omg are covering kde
[13:55] <smartboyhw> Riddell, presumably, the project is still in scratch
[13:55] <smartboyhw> i.e. not yet appearing in KDE Projects
[13:55] <smartboyhw> Not a good idea to include it now
[13:55] <smartboyhw> We will surely include this in 14.04 LTS:)
[13:55] <mikhas> Riddell, it's still ubuntu, why shouldn't they cover it?
[13:55] <Riddell> kubuntu added to http://www.muenchen.de/rathaus/Stadtverwaltung/Direktorium/LiMux/supporter.html :)
[13:56] <Peace-> Riddell: [60238.145947] mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card means?
[13:56] <Riddell> Peace-: um, dunno, something up with the SD card?
[13:56] <Peace-> Riddell:sd reader doesn't work 
[13:56] <Peace-> xD
[13:56] <Riddell> munich bug squashing party 22.11. - 24.11
[14:14] <fos> There seems to be a problem with the KDM init script in KDE 4.11 for precise: We have several systems that hang on boot, never showing the KDM screen...
[14:14] <fos> When reverting back to the init script of default Kubuntu 12.04, everything seems to work reliably...
[14:17] <fos> init -> Upstart
[14:18] <Riddell> fos: hmm that's probably not well tested because we all use lightdm to log in
[14:19] <fos> oh, ok. Shall I open a bug report?
[14:20] <Riddell> fos: is it this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/708717
[14:20] <Riddell> no that's a few years old
[14:21] <Riddell> fos: yeah report a new one please on https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa
[14:21] <fos> no, in that report KDM seems to start at least
[14:22] <fos> I'll open a new one then
[14:22] <Riddell> fos: any other issues?
[14:22] <Riddell> fos: this is for Munich city?
[14:22] <fos> Yes, but probably not Kubuntu related
[14:22] <fos> yes, it is :-)
[14:23] <fos> (The other issue would be that we cannot do any preconfiguration for keyboard layout...)
[14:39] <Riddell> our arm image is pretty broken
[14:40] <Tm_T> my PPC test device is broken too
[14:40] <Tm_T> me no likey
[14:40] <Riddell> EGL not in ld.so.conf, pyqt segfaults, and the old ubiquity --only only not working
[14:40] <Riddell> Tm_T: what device was that?
[14:40] <Tm_T> ibook
[14:41] <Tm_T> now it fails to do partitioning to hard disk
[14:41] <Tm_T> I suspect I have broken disk yet again
[14:42] <lordievader> Tm_T: If a broken disk is all, that is easy enough to fix.
[14:43] <Tm_T> lordievader: yup, if I manage to find spare with affordable price
[14:43] <Tm_T> but hey, I've seen installer now .... 30+ times in last month or so
[14:44] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, -.-
[14:44] <Tm_T> it's rather nice, I like it
[16:31] <rshort> what i've tested of kde connect seems pretty neat
[16:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you been doing stuff on qprintdialog?
[16:34] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:34] <shadeslayer> almost done
[16:34] <shadeslayer> need to test and push today
[16:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what needed doing?
[16:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't suppose you were implementing the common print dialogue?
[16:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: basically moving code from KDEPrintDialog to QPageSetupDialog
[16:35] <shadeslayer> common print dialog?
[16:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: essentially, QPrintDialog does not allow you to set the number of pages to print in a document
[16:36] <shadeslayer> my patch adds that functionality
[16:37] <shadeslayer> also alows you to change the flow of text ( top to bottom, right to left, etc etc )
[16:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: there was a project once to make a shiny new designed dialogue which was common between gtk and qt, it's never happened, I think the idea of calling a gtk dialogue from a qt app is a bit broken
[16:44] <Riddell> although we do it with open dialogues
[16:44] <Riddell> the design was quite nice though
[16:45] <shadeslayer> Didn't we recently have crashes when gtk emitted a warning and caused Qt apps to crash?
[16:45] <yofel> that was qt using gtk's fatal x11 error handler
[18:24] <shadeslayer> yofel: thoughts on bumping abi on all of the packages listed here http://paste.kde.org/p84e7e32b/
[18:24] <shadeslayer> or do we want to keep the delta to a minimum between debian and us
[19:09] <yofel> shadeslayer: libtaskmanager is the only one that would need an ABI bump
[19:14] <yofel> and we already have a debian diff there
[19:21] <shadeslayer> ack
[19:39] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/p041f0ac1
[19:40] <shadeslayer> hmm, install file is still bad
[19:40] <yofel> that symbols file looks frong
[19:40] <yofel> *wrong
[19:40] <yofel> @ABI_4_4 should be @ABI_4_55
[19:40] <yofel> er, @ABI_4_5
[19:40] <shadeslayer> oh?
[19:40] <shadeslayer> I just moved the file over
[19:40] <shadeslayer> needs complete regenerating?
[19:41] <yofel> with the abi manager that's @ABI_<SOVERSION>_<X-Debian-ABI>
[19:41] <shadeslayer> true
[19:41] <yofel> well, you could use SED
[19:42] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/p68e88469
[19:42] <yofel> ack
[19:43] <shadeslayer> cool
[19:45] <shadeslayer> yofel: can you manually upload a build of https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/+recipe/project-neon5-kde-workspace with high priority?
[19:45] <shadeslayer> don't have enough bandwidth
[19:47] <yofel> let me tr
[19:47] <yofel> y
[19:48] <shadeslayer> okie
[19:59] <shadeslayer> who  wants to fix pykde4?
[19:59] <shadeslayer> not me
[20:01] <yofel> shadeslayer: uploaded
[20:01] <shadeslayer> yofel: thx 
[20:04] <shadeslayer> it builds!! \o/
[20:09] <yofel> well, it was worth a try...
[20:13] <shadeslayer> hm
[20:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: I suppose kdelibs is out of data
[20:13] <shadeslayer> *date
[20:14] <yofel> hard to find a set of packages that builds :/
[20:14] <shadeslayer> it's just a matter of hitting build at the right time :P
[20:16] <soee> someone might explain why i have 2 NM icons now ?
[20:16] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:16] <shadeslayer> soee: because there are 2 nm ui's
[20:17] <soee> oO
[20:17] <shadeslayer> and either an upgrade enabled the second one
[20:17] <shadeslayer> or you added it manually
[20:17] <soee> i just installed updates i had in moun
[20:17] <shadeslayer> soee: the other one is purely experimental
[20:17] <soee> good to know i thought someone hacked my system :)D
[20:18] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:18] <shadeslayer> just to install a plasmoid?
[20:18] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:20] <soee> install plasmoid ?
[20:21] <soee> its a bit confusing, i didnt want it and i have it :)
[20:22] <soee> oh btw, sauce few minutes ago stopped working - there was no response ;) had to reboot
[21:21] <shadeslayer> backporting 4.11.1 to raring btw
[21:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: any supporting stuff that needs backported?
[21:22] <shadeslayer> akonadi et all
[21:22] <yofel> akonadi, but I think that's it
[21:22] <shadeslayer> okay
[21:22] <yofel> maybe try to fix that kdm bug on precise while at it
[22:53] <Riddell> hmm I can't recreate the kdm bug fos reported
[22:53] <Riddell> on a new precise install, kubuntu-ppa/backports added, dist-upgrade, reboot, kdm works fine
[22:56] <yofel> it doesn't happen always, but I see it every now and then in virtualbox
[22:57] <yofel> thanks to it happening in a random pattern I was never able to figure out what the issue was
[22:57] <Riddell> not much difference in the kdm.conf
[22:58] <Riddell> just a change in how it quits plymouth