[02:08] <predator8bit> hello
[02:10] <predator8bit> I have a question, can I set the location of a wine emulated desktop? Like automagicly move it to the center as soon as it starts up
[02:25] <ali1234> depends
[02:27] <Azelphur> predator8bit: yes
[02:27] <Azelphur> predator8bit: you can use devilspie to do it
[02:28] <ali1234> you can also do it with window manager rules, if your window manager supports it. that is slightly less likely to explode
[02:28] <predator8bit> tried that
[02:29] <predator8bit> but I have more games that are running in wine and only one that requires this thing
[02:29] <ali1234> you can set the name of the wine desktop per game
[02:30] <ali1234> then you can write different rules based on that name (probably)
[02:30] <Azelphur> yup
[02:30] <predator8bit> Im using Kwin
[02:30] <ali1234> in the end, the size of the window is up to the app, but where it ends up on screen is entirely controlled by the window manager
[02:30] <Azelphur> if you run wine explorer/desktop=<some_name>,1920x1080 <your_executable>
[02:30] <Azelphur> then it will give the desktop a unique title, which you can match with devilspie
[02:30] <ali1234> KDE can do window rules
[02:30] <ali1234> KDE does everything
[02:30] <predator8bit> I know
[02:30] <Azelphur> or KDE, or whatever.
[02:31] <predator8bit> yes Im on Kde, its quite confty :)
[02:31] <ali1234> personally i like the compiz feature that zooms a window to fit the screen
[02:31] <ali1234> well, actually it zooms the screen to the window
[02:32] <ali1234> it's handy when you have a game that won't run at native resolution
[02:32] <ali1234> and it doesn't matter where the window actually is on screen
[02:32] <ali1234> kwin cannot do this
[02:32] <ali1234> at least, i couldn't figure out how to do it
[02:32] <ali1234> it probably can though, it does everything
[02:32] <predator8bit> I could run this game on native resolution but that brings me other problems
[02:32] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea, I love that feature too
[02:32] <ali1234> yeah, like the game runs super slow
[02:32] <Azelphur> ali1234: does kwin have a cube? :P
[02:33] <ali1234> i heard somewhere arma 2 does this natively - instead of changing screenmode it renders to texture and then scales it up
[02:33] <ali1234> all games should do this, it's much faster and better than any other method
[02:33] <predator8bit> no, if I switch to desktop 2 and back to 1, the game minimizes
[02:33] <predator8bit> and if I try to restore it
[02:33] <ali1234> well then you're not running it in a wine desktop
[02:33] <predator8bit> it will restore but the panel will overlay it
[02:33] <ali1234> or you haven't turned on the option that hides mouse events if you leave the window
[02:34] <ali1234> ah the panel overlay bug
[02:34] <ali1234> there's nothing you can do about that one
[02:34] <ali1234> when that happens under compiz, clicking the window brings it back to the front
[02:34] <predator8bit> yes I know, thats why I play it in a smaller window
[02:34] <ali1234> setting the window "always on top" might help
[02:34] <Azelphur> ali1234: you sound like you're a KDE man now :P
[02:34] <predator8bit> hmm, ill give it a try
[02:34] <ali1234> why not make the window exactly the size of the area between the panels
[02:35] <ali1234> Azelphur: when i say KDE does everything, i mean it in a bad way
[02:35] <ali1234> like the library that contains all books, actually contains no books
[02:35] <Azelphur> o.O
[02:35] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Library_of_Babel
[02:36] <ali1234> predator8bit: you could also make an activity for playing the game, which has no panels
[02:37] <predator8bit> keeping above helped, the panel overlay bug haunts me no more! thank you!
[02:37] <predator8bit> :)
[02:37] <Azelphur> fun
[02:38] <ali1234> predator8bit: check for the option about mouse and virtual desktops, it's in winesettings
[02:38] <ali1234> it might help too
[02:39] <predator8bit> wine is set to steal focus (not letting the window manager to set its focus) so the mouse is trapped inside the game
[02:39] <ali1234> yeah you don't want that
[02:40] <ali1234> you want the mode where it tells the game it has exclusive control of the mouse and then just doesn't tell it if the mouse leaves the window
[02:40] <ali1234> thus the game will not minimize itself or any other funny stuff
[02:40] <ali1234> if you switch to another desktop
[02:40] <ali1234> i can't exactly remember how you set that up but i remember doing it, last time i used wine was ages ago though
[02:40] <predator8bit> i want it to trap my mouse, because if I start to right click on the desktop while in a fight in DotA I'm screwed
[02:40] <ali1234> lol
[02:41] <predator8bit> :)
[02:41] <ali1234> you're like the fourth person  i've seen asking this exact question in the past week
[02:42] <ali1234> this DotA game was a recent release for linux?
[02:42] <predator8bit> that was Dota2
[02:42] <predator8bit> the original game is just a map for the game Warcraft 3
[02:42] <ali1234> ah yeah - the other people weren't using wine, now i think about it
[02:43] <ali1234> well, just so you know, people playing DotA2 don't have it any better
[02:43] <ali1234> natively i mean
[02:43] <predator8bit> and as Valve stated, they like to hire modders and perfect their mods into standalone games
[02:43] <predator8bit> like with Team Fortress and Counter-Strike
[02:44] <ali1234> i've never even heard of it until about a week ago
[02:44] <predator8bit> I've been playing it for years (and still suck at it x))
[02:48] <predator8bit> One fun thing about Dota2 is that it's still behind the original, because they haven't ported all the playable characters yet, and some NPC's are missing too.
[02:50] <ali1234> i think anyone who plays MMOs should read the player of games, use of weapons, and surface detail, in that order
[02:52] <predator8bit> maybe, but DotA isn't a classic MMO, it is a session based arena style one with a bunch of characters (heroes) to choose from
[02:53] <ali1234> still applies
[02:53] <predator8bit> mostly
[02:54] <ali1234> i would include FPS games too, really, in MMO definition
[02:55] <ali1234> anything where you're playing directly against random people on the internet
[02:57] <predator8bit> but in DotA reading it all won't help that much, because there are over 110 heroes to choose from and over 120 items also 4 or more spells per hero, there are many combinations, noone can memorize all of them
[02:58] <ali1234> oh the books won't help you to play better :)
[02:59] <predator8bit> not much, this one requires experience, learning the players instead of the game
[03:03] <predator8bit> of course there is a lot to learn about the game too, but after the basics there is no tutorial to guide you (of course there are some generic tutorials which are trying to be flexible and apply to all sorts of situations, but there are always unpredictable things in this game)
[07:27] <NetCatty> hi
[07:29] <directhex> ...?
[07:53] <popey> Morning
[07:53] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[07:57] <DJones> Morning all
[07:57]  * MartijnVdS just ordered: http://shop.lego.com/en-GB/The-DeLorean-time-machine-21103
[07:59] <bashrc> g'day
[08:08] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:23] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all
[08:32] <popey> Yo
[08:33] <bigcalm> Ho ho
[08:36] <AlanBell> o/ TheOpenSourcerer
[08:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> yo AlanBell
[08:38] <bigcalm> Aren't you two in the same office?
[08:41] <AlanBell> not this morning
[08:42] <bigcalm> Fair enough :)
[08:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Did you do any further research into using a Nexus 4 as a iPod Touch alternative?
[08:47] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: I did, however it seems Sophie specifically wants FaceTime
[08:47] <popey> well, that's one thing she wants
[08:47] <dwatkins> Google Hangouts?
[08:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:47] <bigcalm> Skype
[08:47] <popey> dwatkins: google hangouts isn't facetime
[08:48] <popey> and neither is skype
[08:48] <bigcalm> :)
[08:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> I showed it to Monty last night and he seems keen.
[08:48] <popey> Many of her friends in her class use facetime.
[08:48] <popey> Network effect.
[08:48] <dwatkins> popey: fair enough, I gather it can use video, however, not sure how good it is, and clearly it's a separate system, yes.
[08:48] <popey> Vendor lock-in etc.
[08:48] <popey> I use hangouts daily, I know of them ☻
[08:49] <dwatkins> how's the video quality, popey?
[08:49] <popey> they are all much the same for me
[08:49] <AlanBell> is facetime point to point or multiplayer?
[08:49] <popey> One of our friends is getting rid of her iPhone 4, so we got that as it's in very good condition
[08:49] <popey> p2p
[08:49] <popey> Don't forget she "can't" use hangouts
[08:49] <popey> she's 10
[08:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone here got a Nexus 4?
[08:50] <popey> probably can't use skype either
[08:50] <popey> I do ☻
[08:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> Any good as a general device?
[08:50] <popey> No. I don't like it.
[08:50] <popey> For many reasons.
[08:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> Care to mention any of them?
[08:51] <popey> Low build quality, too big, poor camera, poor audio, micro-usb, stupid button placement
[08:52] <marxjohnson> TheOpenSourcerer: I like it :)
[08:52] <marxjohnson> But i've never been spoiled by expensive iThings ;)
[08:52] <popey> So we'll probably go with iphone 4 for now and if she wants/needs a phone I'll chuck a sim in it
[08:52] <popey> oh, and one more. It's android. I don't like android.
[08:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> k
[08:53] <bigcalm> Do you like Ubuntu Touch?
[08:54] <popey> its okay ☻
[08:55] <bigcalm> HEh
[08:55] <popey> its not finished though, so..
[08:55] <jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: Ive N4, S3 and Note 2. if you want opinions, I will share...
[08:55] <directhex> i have a nexus 4
[08:55] <jussi> (oh and an S2, but thats not relevant)
[08:55] <directhex> it's my new phone, replacing the wp8 lumia
[08:56] <mungbean> if my phone broke today i'd buy a n4
[08:56] <jussi> mungbean: not I...
[08:56] <popey> directhex: you didnt have that long
[08:56] <directhex> mungbean, it's obscene value, yes. there's no reason to buy any other phone in the £150-£200 price bracket
[08:56] <popey> directhex: found a buyer for your firefox os phone?
[08:56] <directhex> popey, yeah
[08:56] <mungbean> directhex: correct.
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> My 9yr old wants a bit of tech for his birthday in 2 weeks. iPod Touch kind of thing. Thought the N4 might be a good alternative. He's not locked into the iWorld (yet)
[08:57] <directhex> popey, i got the lumia in january, so it's done better than some other phones
[08:57] <jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: for that, absolutely
[08:57] <popey> directhex: as long as that.. time flies
[08:57] <mungbean> what happened to the lumia?
[08:57] <mungbean> died?
[08:57] <directhex> popey, the lumia 820 is just worse for my use cases than the 800 (wp7) was
[08:57] <AlanBell> you had a firefox os phone directhex?
[08:57] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: so you'll be locked into the google world instead?
[08:57] <jussi> TheOpenSourcerer: but buy the protective rubber/plastic thing
[08:57] <directhex> AlanBell, to play with. am blogging about it, but have been swamped so unable to do so
[08:57] <AlanBell> I have one on order
[08:57] <mungbean> popey: "locked into google" allows a whole range of vendors and value
[08:57] <popey> nope
[08:57] <popey> one
[08:57] <popey> google
[08:57] <directhex> mungbean, got sick of it. now it belongs to fonebank.com
[08:58] <mungbean> hardware vendors
[08:58] <popey> doesn't matter who makes the handset, it's still the play store
[08:58] <directhex> really?
[08:58] <directhex> never installed an apk from elsewhere?
[08:58] <jussi> or the amazon store, or one of several others...
[08:58] <mungbean> with apple you are locked into both, and locked hard
[08:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'd rather be dependent on G than A
[08:58] <directhex> e.g. amazon, humble, etc?
[08:58] <popey> yes, but not proportionally a significant amount
[08:58] <popey> and not core apps
[08:58] <mungbean> last time i bought htc, next time i am also free to choose from a dizzying array of hpones
[08:58] <directhex> wife got an iphone the week before i got my nexus
[08:58] <jussi> popey: define core apps?
[08:59] <directhex> so i have now experienced an iphone, from the word go
[08:59] <popey> the ones you use all the time, the ones that everyone uses daily
[08:59] <directhex> i feel much much much better discussing them, now i know they suck just as much as any other phone
[08:59] <directhex> the first-run wizard is broken, just as with any android phone
[08:59] <popey> how so?
[08:59] <popey> registering an apple account?
[08:59] <directhex> setting up an apple account is broken. very broken.
[09:00] <popey> not tried that, will do with sophies
[09:00] <AlanBell> lots of people manage to get through those wizards
[09:00] <DJones> To be honest, no matter who you go with, one way or another you're locked in to that manufacturer/os provider, you should just what what suits you and not worry about what other people use
[09:00] <directhex> AlanBell, somehow, yes
[09:00] <DJones> However if you get a Blackberry, then a plague upon you!
[09:00] <directhex> maybe apple just haven't tested their account creation process for a few years, since they expect everyone to have an account already
[09:01] <directhex> the gnex... "log in to your google account!" "okay." "we've SMS'd you your 2-factor auth code!" "um... i can't see my sms yet, not until i enter the code....."
[09:02] <andylockran> morning
[09:02] <directhex> iphone "create apple account!" "okay" "log in to apple account!" "okay" "PASSWORD NOT RECOGNISED!" "erm... reset password" "sorry, that password's been used! use another" "er...ENTERPASSWORDNOWPOPUPOUTTANOWHERE"
[09:02] <directhex> basically they're all terrible
[09:03] <directhex> except for the pre3. first-run was great on webos <3
[09:03] <popey> First run on Ubuntu Touch is awesome
[09:03] <popey> Mostly because it mostly doesn't exist yet.
[09:04] <directhex> mostly
[09:05] <directhex> gnex4 certainly isn't a great sales pitch for LG build quality
[09:06] <popey> Oh, another good reason for me using iphone and not android.. support.
[09:06] <popey> phoning google and LG to get a repair was a lesson in how not to do support
[09:06] <directhex> but few phones nowadays really feel properly "well built"
[09:06] <mungbean> popey: you are confusing the OS and the hardware interchangeably
[09:07] <popey> indeed, most feel like plastic crap in the hand
[09:07] <directhex> i'd say samsung has lead the way on making cheap plasticky crap be considered premium
[09:07] <popey> mungbean: I'm properly not
[09:07] <popey> I'm talking about the entire experience
[09:07] <jussi> the motorola droid was nice
[09:07] <mungbean> if ubuntu don't release a hardware phone then all your "android" criticism of the hardware will just be applicable
[09:07] <jussi> (for build quality that is)
[09:08] <directhex> aluminium makes a phone feel premium. e.g. iphone 5, htc one
[09:08] <popey> hence why I wanted the edge!
[09:08] <mungbean> = non removable battery directhex
[09:08] <directhex> the lumia 800/n9 felt rock solid too
[09:08] <directhex> mungbean, yes.
[09:08] <popey> yeah, love the feel of nokia phones like the n9
[09:08] <mungbean> battery wins vs alum
[09:08] <AlanBell> popey: why didn't the edge get more traditional funding as well as the crowdsourced element?
[09:08] <directhex> mungbean, you could persuade me with SD card slots more than removable batteries
[09:09] <AlanBell> or why was it exclusive to indiegogo?
[09:09] <popey> dunno. ask mark
[09:09] <mungbean> my htc battery has lasted well, but i sometimes swap battery with my wife if she is low on charge and is leaving the house
[09:10] <popey> i saw daviey swap battery last friday on his galaxy nexus or whatever device it was
[09:11] <popey> never really been fussed about swappable batteries
[09:11] <directhex> all things told though... i don't think the iphone 5 is worth £400 more than the gnex4. i mean, it's not perfect, but it's *incredible* value
[09:11] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:11] <directhex> is it more premium, yes, clearly
[09:11] <popey> bought a laptop once which had swappable batteries and never ended up swapping
[09:11] <directhex> but is it £400 more? nein
[09:11] <mungbean> i'm on my 3rd battery on my laptop
[09:11] <popey> oh I have replaced them, just not swapped during use
[09:11] <mungbean> then again, i'm more make do and mend ratehr than buy new stuff, different stroke...
[09:12] <popey> i rarely buy my own laptop
[09:12] <popey> haven't for years
[09:12] <directhex> smartphones have an expected lifespan of 2 years, so as long as a battery can cope with 2 years of use, for 99% of people, it doesn't need replacement
[09:12] <popey> i guess my 4s is 2 now
[09:13] <mungbean> bought my htc desire in may 2010
[09:13] <mungbean> thanks cyanogen
[09:14] <directhex> nothing like cyanogenmod to make a phone feel mostly new, and also require daily reboots due to some random bug which is essentially unfixable because SOC vendors are assholes and the phone needs to run a 2 year old kernel to have any drivers at all
[09:15] <DJones> mungbean: Why is it that wife's (not to stereotype or anything) seem to have problems with mobile phone battery lives, just swapped phones with my wife, my S3 that used to drop to about 75% in normal use for me, drops to about 20% by teatime for her, the Desire HD she was using that had to be charged during the day for her, only drops to 50% by the end of the day for me
[09:15] <mungbean> why is this phone 299? http://www.buymobiles.net/mobile-phones/lg/lg-nexus-4/nosim/sim-free/15009373
[09:15] <directhex> oh, yes, big shiny glowing gold star of the ages to apple for giving OS updates past the 6 months most android vendors do
[09:15] <directhex> mungbean, because LG charge a LOT more for the phones wholesale than google do
[09:15] <mungbean> DJones: its the opposite for my wife
[09:16] <mungbean> i use my phone on the train though
[09:16] <popey> whats the "right" way to search for apps on android devices?
[09:16] <popey> I mean, ones that are already installed
[09:17] <marxjohnson> popey: to launch it?
[09:17] <DJones> popey: I use Settings -> Apps
[09:17] <brobostigon> settings / apps /
[09:17] <popey> no, not browse, search
[09:17] <popey> as in, type the name of the app
[09:17] <popey> to launch, yes
[09:18] <marxjohnson> the search widget does that I belive
[09:18] <marxjohnson> although I never search so I dont know :)
[09:18] <brobostigon> if you set it to, yes.
[09:18] <directhex> the iphone 3gs will be finally denied OS updates when ios 7 ships later this year. the iphone 3gs released in june 2009, and can run march 2013's ios version, officially
[09:18] <popey> google search?
[09:18] <brobostigon> the on device search.
[09:18] <popey> whats the widget called?
[09:19] <directhex> the iphone 3gs shipped with iphone os 3, before the term "ios" was even in use. it's seen 3 major version updates, and all the incrementals
[09:19] <directhex> this defines "how to do it"
[09:19]  * AlanBell thinks searching for apps by name isn't what people want to do
[09:19] <brobostigon> go into google now, hit setting, hit tablet search, you should be able to anebale it to search on device apps.
[09:19] <AlanBell> which happens to be exactly what the Unity dash does
[09:19] <directhex> popey, it's not technically a widget, as you can't remove it from your home screens, on gnex4
[09:20] <popey> iOS does it
[09:20] <DJones> popey: On my N7, I have a Google icon search bar at the top of the screen
[09:20] <popey> and does it well
[09:20] <directhex> popey, but yes, just type app name into google search box and it'll show installed apps, like on unity
[09:21] <popey> i have to type the entire app name?
[09:21] <mungbean> who actually searches for apps? typing on phones is a pain
[09:21] <popey> me, I do it _all_ the time on ios
[09:21] <mungbean> i choose them from a list on teh launcher screen
[09:21] <directhex> popey, no. you're being a bit of a douche & making up fake reasons to complain, fyi
[09:21] <DJones> I just tested typing "FB" to look for FBReader and it brought FBReader up by the 2nd letter
[09:21] <popey> no I'm not directhex
[09:21] <popey> I do this all the time on IOS and wondered how android did it
[09:22] <directhex> DJones, 1 letter is enough
[09:22] <popey> its because I had web highlighted
[09:22] <directhex> popey, you've invented that it can't, and are saying "yay ios can do it, better than stinky android"
[09:22] <DJones> directhex: Quite probably
[09:22] <popey> no
[09:22] <popey> seriously, I'm asking how you do it
[09:22] <popey> because I never found a way to do what I do all the time on ios
[09:23] <directhex> popey, tap the giant google search box at the top of every goddamn home screen page
[09:23] <popey> stop trying to portray this as anything other than it is
[09:23] <directhex> then press letters on the lettermotron
[09:23] <popey> i didnt have a search box
[09:23] <popey> had to add the widget
[09:23] <popey> hence asking
[09:23] <mungbean> hit search, press f = facebook
[09:23] <popey> jeez
[09:23] <mungbean> i have a hardware button
[09:24] <mungbean> it offers me facebook/ some contacts and a bookmark
[09:24] <mungbean> as resuklts of the search
[09:24] <DJones> People get used to doing things in a particular way, they're just different, what works for one, doesn't work for somebody else, next thing we'll be arguing over whether to top/bottom post in emails :)
[09:24] <popey> indeed
[09:24] <directhex> this is, of course, all a rip off of webos, which had "just type" before the rest of 'em
[09:24] <popey> characterising me as a douche because I can't figure out how to do something I do with one swipe daily aint exactly helpful, thanks
[09:25] <mungbean> i like hardware keys
[09:25] <popey> ditto
[09:26] <DJones> I'm confused going back the Desire with hardware keys after the S3, I keep trying to find them on the screen
[09:26] <AlanBell> search widget won't add to a screen for me
[09:27] <directhex> popey, it's on the stock home screen. try a search for "nexus 4 home screen" on the search engine of your choice
[09:27] <shauno> popey: curious, have you tried this on ios7?  (not trying to throw fuel on the fire; genuinely curious if I'm the only one that took 2 weeks to figure out where they'd moved it)
[09:27] <popey> directhex: this isnt a nexus 4
[09:27] <popey> its a nexus 7
[09:27] <popey> shauno: nope
[09:28] <shauno> I won't ruin the surprise then :)
[09:28] <popey> hah
[09:28] <directhex> the big search box on http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201206/r964550_10403468.jpg ?
[09:28] <popey> just looked at some screenshots
[09:29] <popey> directhex: mine's rotated on my desk
[09:29] <DJones> popey: Is that with 4.3? Mine seems to have it by default with no option to remove
[09:29] <DJones> Thats what I've got on mine
[09:29] <popey> it disappears when rotated on the desk it seems
[09:29] <directhex> popey, G logo at the top left?
[09:29] <popey> there's a g logo which takes you to the search thingy
[09:29] <DJones> So it does
[09:30] <DJones> Google Now from the G logo
[09:30] <popey> but the keyboard conveniently obscures the results
[09:30] <popey> so I hit G, type E, click soft button to hide kb, press 'search tablet' and see the results.
[09:30] <DJones> Heh, thats not to useful
[09:31] <popey> shauno: the ios7 version looks very familiar! :D
[09:31] <shauno> oh it looks fine.  I just had no clue what gesture summons it
[09:32] <popey> the reason I want to search is the same reason I use search on iOS, OSX, Windows 7 and Unity, I don't care where the icons are, i know the name of the app. This may be unusual or wierd but it's the way I've used windows/ubuntu for quite a while now so it works for me.
[09:32] <mungbean> your way works exactly like that on my android too
[09:32] <AlanBell> I got the search widget running now
[09:32] <mungbean> hit search , press f. done
[09:33] <popey> shauno: swipe down http://ios.wonderhowto.com/how-to/open-spotlight-search-ios-7-find-apps-contacts-music-and-more-0147422/
[09:33] <popey> well it doesn't work here
[09:33] <popey> hey ho
[09:33] <shauno> oh I have it now.  it just took me a good 2 weeks  (and the first few times were accidents I couldn't figure out how to replicate)
[09:33] <popey> oic
[09:34] <shauno> you've just ruined the surprise, and will miss out on that egghunt :(
[09:35] <brobostigon> i think the people that make beautiful widgets for android, have made a searchable launcher aswell. not tried it though, but sound like it might help.
[09:36] <mungbean> http://i.imgur.com/8OH9yPe.png
[09:36] <mungbean> hit search, press a
[09:36] <mungbean> results
[09:36] <mungbean> 2 recent google searches and a selection of bookmarks and apps
[09:36] <DJones> popey: Have you worked out how to create "app drawers" on the N7? I'd like to have some to group together certain apps (eg Kindle, FBReader, Kobo, Reader) etc
[09:36] <directhex> DJones, drop one app on another app
[09:37] <directhex> circle appears around target app = will create a folder
[09:37] <mungbean> what the heck. i just got spammed by a recruiter that i've never heard of before to ask for sponsorpship for some event
[09:37] <DJones> Oh, that easy, I'd been googling for it and hadn't found any mention of how to create them
[09:39] <AlanBell> I can see the point of a smartphone that works like a desktop OS, we might figure out how to use it
[09:39] <popey> http://imgur.com/5Ods6IE
[09:39] <popey> hit search, press e
[09:39] <mungbean> you're holding it wrong ;_
[09:39] <mungbean> ;)
[09:39] <popey> hah
[09:40] <AlanBell> that is the search thing I get, can't get apps in it
[09:40] <mungbean> which widget? search or google search?
[09:40] <mungbean> you want one called search
[09:40] <AlanBell> if I go to settings on that screen, I can configure phone search, and I can see it should be indexing apps, but they don't turn up in search results
[09:40] <DJones> directhex: Thank you for that tip, thats saved me a lot of screen space
[09:41] <popey> hit search, press e, press hide keyboard, scroll past contacts, press 'SEARCH TABLET', scroll up past contacts again, http://imgur.com/GWj3dZf
[09:41] <popey> so yeah, all my fault.
[09:42] <mungbean> searchable items: apps, browser, contacts
[09:42] <AlanBell> I do that too, but it still only searches contacts
[09:42] <mungbean> ooh, and google music, i'll add that
[09:42] <directhex> popey, think you've just broken it somehow. which is an entirely different android issue
[09:42] <directhex> reformat!
[09:43] <popey> i have never used search so fail to see how I broke it
[09:43] <popey> only found out it can search for apps when brobostigon mentioned it earlier. i thought it was just google (web) search, didn't realise it locally searched too.. so yay, TIL etc
[09:44] <brobostigon> :)
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> popey: you can select which local apps it searches inside of too
[09:44] <popey> nice
[09:45] <mungbean> so everyone is happy now except for AlanBell ?
[09:45] <popey> FSVO "happy"
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> popey: open the blue "Google" app (Google Now), then menu -> settings -> search on phone
[09:47] <popey> tbh it's rare I want to search inside of apps, other than contacts. i mostly just want to find my apps in amongst a hundred or more icons all over the device
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> popey: I like finding music through spotify using that bar
[09:47] <shauno> yeah, I use that for music/audiobooks too.  and contacts.  but rarely apps
[09:48] <AlanBell> I am fine mungbean, I will just go back to leaving my phone off at the bottom of my bag
[09:49] <mungbean> old man
[09:49] <DJones> AlanBell: Technophobe :)
[09:50] <mungbean> so has anyone tried the gone calendar app?
[09:50] <mungbean> gnome
[09:51] <directhex> i will go back to leaving my phone where it belongs - plugged into the wall
[09:51] <directhex> with a rotary dial, for the lulz
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> directhex: http://www.dialgizmo.com/
[09:52] <shauno> I don't think my phoneline supports rotary dial :(
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> shauno: click that link
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> shauno: it's a converter box ;)
[09:52] <mungbean> this gnome cal app: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/08/gnome-core-app-project-make-me-excited-for-desktop-linux
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: With a rotary dial?
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> Oh cal, not call 8-)
[09:53] <directhex> our rotary dial phones were wired directly to the wall, not via a plug
[09:54] <popey> heh http://www.cityam.com/article/1378091289/exclusive-walkie-scorchie-melted-my-jag
[09:54] <popey> Elevensies!
[09:58] <popey> anyone tried a device like this to allow you to plug separate mic/headphones into a laptop? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Headset-Buddy-Computer-Adapter-01-PC35-PH25/dp/B002D41HKS/ref=pd_rhf_se_p_t_2_NZ1X
[09:58] <popey> specifically for my x220 which has a combined port
[09:59] <shauno> not sure that's the droid you're looking for.  unlikely your laptop has a 2.5mm headphone port?
[10:01] <popey> good spot
[10:01] <shauno> not what you asked, but it sounds like you're looking for http://www.amazon.co.uk/Startech-com-3-5mm-Headset-Splitter-Adapter/dp/B004SP0WAQ/
[10:02] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Headset-Buddy-Smartphone-Blackberry-01-PC35-PH35/dp/B002SK66OY/ref=pd_rhf_se_p_t_1_NZ1X
[10:02] <shauno> or that :)
[10:02] <popey> ta
[10:02] <NET||abuse> hi folks, i'm having an awful annoyance with not having things appear in the unity dash/search lens
[10:03] <NET||abuse> How do i add stuff in my .local/shard/applications/ *.desktop to the unity search index
[10:05] <popey> NET||abuse: I'd ask in #ubuntu-desktop maybe
[10:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:12]  * xnox run out of coffee, so drinking the backups - Nescafe Instant
[10:13]  * popey has not had coffee for 3 weeks
[10:13] <mungbean>  does coffee really actually wake you/one up?
[10:13] <mungbean> it makes me stressed/jittery, which is different
[10:15] <popey> My nexus 7 does something my old htc hero used to do. notification sounds cut off part way through.
[10:30] <mungbean> popey should be a QA manager for breaking products
[10:33] <mungbean> no blender required
[10:34]  * popey closes apps to see if it's that
[10:34] <moodoo> morning all
[10:34] <popey> lo
[10:35] <moodoo> morning davmor2
[11:02] <mungbean> enjoyed playing sprinkle the other day
[11:02] <mungbean> cute game
[11:02] <mungbean> plus, paper camera has the best effects of any instagram type thing out there
[11:06] <mungbean> anyone tried gta vice city on a tablet?
[11:23] <directhex> mungbean, it uses an on-screen d-pad, which is the sign of a war crime
[11:23] <mungbean> lolz
[11:23] <directhex> see also http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/designing-for-a-touch-screen
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> "crime against humanity", because it's even bad *outside* war.
[11:24] <mungbean> could use a strap-on?
[11:29] <directhex> mungbean, doesn't resolve any of the problems highlighted in the above video
[11:57] <dwatkins> mungbean: I find that a pint of water wakes me up fairly well, especially when it forces me to get out of bed to use the toilet ;)
[12:36] <mungbean> i don't actually want waking up until i reach the office 90mins later
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> slow-release coffee?
[12:37] <shauno> that'd be difficult to time.  obviously the answer is just administering intravenous caffeine when required
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> shauno: using a re-purposed insulin pump?
[12:44] <mungbean> i'm not a morning person but i wake up eventually
[12:44] <mungbean> sans caffeine
[12:44]  * MartijnVdS disabled his alarm clock, and goes to sleep around 22:00 (whenever I start to feel tired)
[12:44] <MartijnVdS> I always wake up between 6 and 7 in the morning, automagically.
[12:45] <shauno> I can't do that :/  my magical built-in alarm clock is somewhere around 12-2pm
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> shauno: that's the point: it auto-adjusts to "6-8 hours after going to sleep"
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> shauno: if you keep it up for a week, and *don't* sleep in ever (that's the drawback)
[12:45] <shauno> oh I'm quite capable of sleeping for 14 hours if I go to bed early
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> I can only do that if/when I haven't slept enough for days
[12:47] <shauno> luckily I have a lovely espresso machine to facilitate 6am shifts
[12:52] <mungbean> i have kids. a lie in is when i can sleep until the alarm
[12:54] <mungbean> whats the fallout from the ebook pricefixing case? some americans get a little rebate ?
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> $3
[12:55] <mungbean> for USians i presume
[12:55] <mungbean> in NY
[12:55] <Dave2> Sting would be disappointed
[12:55] <MartijnVdS> Dave2: as an Englishman in NY?
[12:56] <Dave2> indeed.
[12:56] <Darael> MartijnVdS: I looked at doing that once.  My friend with an insulin pump even promised me hers when the warranty runs out and the NHS gives her a new one.  But the big problem with it is that insulin delivery isn't actually IV.
[12:57] <mungbean> haven't actualyl found any details about the ebook rebate that tell you what u wanna kow
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: http://www.macrumors.com/2013/08/30/proposed-e-book-publisher-settlement-could-see-customers-receiving-up-to-3-per-book-purchased/
[12:58] <mungbean> out to consumers who purchased e-books between the iBookstore's April 1, 2010 launch and May 21, 2012.
[12:59] <mungbean> consumers based in US?
[13:00] <mungbean> and what changes going forward?
[13:00] <Seeker`> Darael: I don;t think that would be the only problem
[13:01] <Seeker`> Insulin pumps have a 1.8 or 3 ml reservoir, and take about 5 minutes to deliver 5/100 of a ml.
[13:02] <Darael> Seeker`: Depends on the pump, actually, but yeah, one would have to calculate the caffeine levels in whatever medium was used (probably saline would be best) very carefully.
[13:02] <Darael> Don't want to cause caffeine poisoning.
[13:03] <Seeker`> I'm certainly not aware of any significantly different reservoir sizes to that, and I can't imagine any of them delivering insulin much faster than that
[13:03] <Darael> Also depends on whether the pump is doing an immediate bolus or an extended one.
[13:04] <Seeker`> it takes several minutes to do an immediate bolus of 5 units of insulin, which is 5/100 of a ml.
[13:04] <Darael> Not my experience from watching Rachael, but the point is that insulin pumps are just not going to be an effective caffeine delivery system.
[13:05] <Seeker`> My experience is actually being connected to one :P
[13:05] <Darael> Fair enough.
[13:06] <Darael> I mean, firmware hackery could accomplish a certain amount, I would guess, but this still leaves reservoir-capacity and delivery-location problems.
[13:07] <Seeker`> yeah. It is amazing just how many people suggest it though :P
[13:07] <Darael> In the end, I think we can agree it probably wouldn't work without nearly as much effort as it would take to develop an automated (or semi-automated) IV caffeine system from scratch.
[13:07] <Seeker`> Plus, you do have to change pump sites every 2-3 days too
[13:07] <Darael> Quite.
[13:08] <Darael> ...heh.  I'm sorry, I just remembered Rachael's description of the state of *monitoring* pumps (artificial pancreases, if you will).  "We can produce ones that work really well as long as you don't do anything complicated like move or sleep"
[13:09] <mungbean> http://www.jcmit.com/MemoryDiskPriceGraph-2012Feb.jpg
[13:09] <MartijnVdS> Darael: heh.. oops
[13:09] <mungbean> Historical Cost of Computer Memory and Storage
[13:10] <Seeker`> Darael: yeah, CGMs go wrong if you lie down
[13:11] <Seeker`> moving doesn't seem too bad
[13:11] <Seeker`> as long as you aren't too energetic
[13:14] <Seeker`> Having said that, CGMs are incredibly useful (CGM being the thing that monitors blood sugars, an artificial pancreas uses the CGM data to control the insulin pump)
[13:19] <mgdm> if you're addicted to caffeine to the point where you're considering modding insulin pumps to deliver it, my advice is go and speak to someone :P
[13:19] <mungbean> starbucks?
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> costa?
[13:20] <mungbean> glaxo?
[13:20] <mungbean> or just go to bed earlier
[13:20] <mgdm> get your head read
[13:21] <popey> I've started going to bed at 10pm and waking at 6am for the gym at 06:30. works a treat, no coffee required
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> popey: same, no alarm required either for me ;)
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> though "gym" is usally in the evening :(
[13:22] <popey> ☻
[13:22] <mungbean> i don't think i've ever seen inside a gym
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: it's more fun than you'd think
[13:22] <mungbean> must be
[13:22] <mungbean> people pay a lot for something that a bit of gardening can do :)
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: I don't know what kind of garden you have.. :)
[13:23] <mungbean> one with gym equipment
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[13:23] <mungbean> weeds, digging, lifting mowing
[13:23] <mungbean> running away from spiders
[13:25] <jussi> its so funny here (finland), there are 0 spiders that are poisoness... unlike my native country of Australia
[13:25] <mungbean> which is why you are in finland?
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> jussi: but in Finland it's cold enough to freeze to death 90% of the time
[13:26] <jussi> MartijnVdS: yeah, but only if you dont dress correctly
[13:26] <jussi> mungbean: no. (and my wife the silly girl wants to move to australia.)
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> opposite land 8-)
[13:27] <mungbean> i get tempted by the idea when i see it on telly.
[13:27] <mungbean> only by the sunshine, doesn't seem to have much character
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> I want to visit Australia one day.
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> But live there? I dunno.
[13:28] <mungbean> i have reliatives in NZ
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: you're a sheep?!
[13:28] <dwatkins> I think I'd probably cope with living in Australia, but I'd need factor 2.5x10^20 sun cream.
[13:28] <mungbean> bah
[13:32] <popey> their economy seems okay
[13:32] <popey> they have sucky internet though
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> they also hate for'ners, it seems
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> at least that's what their on-line news sources claim
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> "news"
[13:32] <mgdm> someone I know just moved there
[13:32] <jussi> popey: I think "sucky internet" doesnt actually cover it...
[13:33] <mgdm> they don't hate it, aside from slow internet
[13:33] <Darael> Oz does have a reputation of being one of the more xenophobic "western" countries.  Although calling Australia "western" is kind of silly.
[13:33] <mgdm> I did laugh at him when he said he was going to do it, as the 'great firewall of .au' was news then. Now who's laughing?
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> the far west
[13:34] <popey> So western, it's yesterday!
[13:34] <mungbean> oz seems to be the most un-PC place on earth
[13:35] <mungbean> and maybe scotland, but nobody understands what they are saying up there
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: you'd swear all day too if every other animal could kill you
[13:35] <Darael> MartijnVdS: I thought it was all of them except some of the sheep?
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> Darael: and the rabbits.
[13:36] <jussi> mungbean: isnt that a good thing? political correctness is silly...
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> Darael: and some might be busy killing other people/animals, and not trying to kill you at that very moment
[13:37] <Darael> The "some" is important.  Ever *seen* an angry tup?
[13:37] <Darael> jussi: Depends what one means by political correctness, doesn't it?  PC is used to refer to a number of things, from not swearing to saying things in a way that implies some basic respect for human beings.
[13:37] <DJones> jussi: How did you cope with the temperature change from Australia to Finland? I've got family from Perth visiting the UK at the moment and they've been shivering through our summer, jumpers, thick coats & scarfs etc
[13:39] <Darael> Swearing a lot is an example of Aussies being un-PC in a way that's arguably a good thing.  Well, the not minding if people do is.  But, for example, Coon cheese is an example of an Australian thing that's un-PC in a *bad* way.
[13:39] <jussi> DJones: I am not one who likes it too warm. That said, Finland housing is actually insulated, unlike the badly designed/created houses in the UK. (most houses here are 23C all day everyday in the winter). Outside, its just a matter of wearing the correct clothing
[13:40] <jussi> Darael: whats wroing with coon cheese? tastes great?
[13:40] <AlanBell> jussi: do you put the baby outside to sleep?
[13:40] <jussi> AlanBell: yes
[13:40] <jussi> AlanBell: up until about -25
[13:40] <jussi> AlanBell: baby sleeps much better with the cool air. just have to make sure it is wrapped up properly
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> doesn't it get stolen if you keep it outside?
[13:41] <Darael> jussi: The branding is what's wrong with it.
[13:41] <jussi> MartijnVdS: no... ?
[13:42] <jussi> Darael: still not getting it... ?
[13:42] <mungbean> i had a russian colleague who put his son to sleep on the balcony of his moscow apartment each night in winter
[13:42] <mungbean> must have had hairs on his chest at age 2
[13:42] <mgdm> he'd have had hairs on his teethat that rate
[13:42] <mungbean> lol
[13:43] <mungbean> hot house not good for baby, sleep outside, simples.
[13:43] <mungbean> is pretty much was he said
[13:43] <jussi> mungbean: yeah, thats pretty much it
[13:44] <jussi> baby sleeps much better in the cool air.
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> Doesn't sleeping outside = mosquito food?
[13:44] <mungbean> not in russian winter
[13:44] <jussi> MartijnVdS: you think there are mosquitos at -20 ?
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> jussi: no, but +15 and up
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> jussi: like, say, weeks like this
[13:45] <mungbean> not on the 34th floor of an apartment
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: 34th floor? And I thought living on the 7th floor was scary 8-)
[13:45] <mungbean> probably brought him inside and put him in the fridge
[13:45] <mungbean> i made up the 34th floor bit
[13:46] <mungbean> but i was in a v high hotel in moscow and the wind was making the tower wobble
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> scary
[13:49] <Laney> hmm, VM increasing me internet by £2.50/month
[13:49]  * Laney takes a look at infinity
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> also increasing service?
[13:50] <Laney> apparently I'm still getting great value broadband
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> audacious claim
[13:50] <directhex> i'm also still getting great value broadband
[13:50] <directhex> ...from bt
[13:50] <jussi> MartijnVdS: depends were you live - Mosquios have left for the winter already here, but for the weeks when they are around, we just put a mosquito net over the pram/basket
[13:53] <mungbean> talktalk putting their prices up too
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: yay free market
[13:54] <Laney> BT is slightly cheaper if you pay line rental annually apparently
[13:54] <Laney> not as fast though
[13:54] <mungbean> talktalk siad i could exit contract due to their price rise
[13:55]  * Laney nods
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> yay EU-mandated laws ;)
[14:12] <mungbean> nobody is very good value though :(
[14:13] <mungbean> unlike, say giffgaff in the mobile space
[14:14] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TECHNIKA-SPB112-BLUETOOTH-SPEAKER-USB-RECHARGEABLE-BATTERY-WITH-AUX-IN-BLACK-/350860211286?pt=UK_MP3_Player_Accessories_AudioDocks_Speakers&hash=item51b0e5f456
[14:15] <popey> not bad for 15 quid
[14:15] <MartijnVdS> I still have that "Road Rocker" http://www.ionaudio.com/products/details/roadrocker
[14:16] <MartijnVdS> popey: Is it a USB speaker as well?
[14:16] <MartijnVdS> or just USB-powered
[14:19] <popey> just usb powered
[14:19] <popey> sound has to go over bt
[14:20] <Dave2> you have to send your music over the phone network? that doesn't sound very practical.
[14:20] <mgdm> I found recently that although I can plug my iPhone into my car's head unit, and Spotify and iTunes work over that, if I use Google Maps for directions that goes over BT
[14:20] <mgdm> which is a bit weird
[14:24] <Seeker`> mgdm: suits you :P
[14:25] <Seeker`> Laney: do you actually use the full bandwidth? How fast is your VM service?
[14:30] <mgdm> Seeker`: :D
[14:34] <popey> yeah, i need to shop around too
[14:50] <Seeker`> jabber \o/
[14:53] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[14:53] <MattJ> Getting slow :(
[14:59] <mungbean> this is what i wish i was doing right now http://i.imgur.com/xMkVVwk.jpg
[14:59] <mgdm> risky click, but got away with it
[14:59] <mungbean> ehehhe
[15:00] <mungbean> life is simple when ur 5months aold
[15:01] <dwatkins> this is what I wish I was doing right now on a beach with a kite like a happy child: http://imgur.com/Klt7ffj
[15:02] <mungbean> i'm not sure what exactly i've achieved at work today since a pneumatic drill has been drilling near my head.
[15:02] <dwatkins> stubbornness at remaining at your post, mungbean?
[15:02] <dwatkins> I'd have thrown paper into the air and gone to work from home
[15:02] <mungbean> tomorrow i will decamp to my other office
[15:03] <mungbean> if its still going
[15:03] <mungbean> hey i was gonna get my kite out of the loft yesterday
[15:03] <mungbean> but i realised that my 3yr old would be launching the kite..possible danger ahead
[15:03]  * dwatkins is surprised to discover his virtual XP installation still works
[15:04] <dwatkins> yeah, although it wasn't windy enough for my colleague to use his kite out near Polmont yesterday.
[15:04] <dwatkins> you'd think that on the east coast of Scotland there would be enough wind for kite flying.
[15:05] <mgdm> dwatkins: it's fairly windy in Glasgow today, and while driving back from Embra last night it was really very windy near Shotts
[15:05] <dwatkins> yeah, was very very windy in Tollcross last night.
[15:06] <mgdm> did you see the fireworks at all?
[15:06] <dwatkins> sadly not, my flat faces the wrong directions
[15:06] <mgdm> I watched them from Gracemount sort of direction with the radio on in the car :-)
[15:07] <dwatkins> nice
[15:59] <diddledan> don't you love when you put something back together and you find something left over? what's worse is you can't work out what it's supposed to be for
[16:00] <diddledan> I have from my WD MyBook Live (pos) a rubber block about 2/3" x 1" x 1cm
[16:00] <mgdm> interesting mix of units
[16:01]  * dwatkins hands diddledan an ice cube tray for next time
[16:01] <dwatkins> lay out the screws and other parts in the tray to show what part of the device they came from
[16:03] <diddledan> N.B. mybook live, despite having apt installed doesn't like being updated through apt
[16:03] <diddledan> I bricked my device :-p
[16:03] <diddledan> hence the pulling apart
[16:03] <diddledan> it's working again now thanks to a friendly person on the internets who made a dd image of their drive available for anyone to download
[16:13] <dwatkins> that's handy
[16:26] <shauno> where would the internet be without nice people with a strange compulsion to share
[16:31] <neuro> grrr cars
[16:31] <neuro> grrr web analytics
[16:31] <neuro> grrr aws
[16:31]  * neuro gets angry at Things
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> neuro SMASH
[16:31] <mgdm> they hate you too
[16:31] <neuro> indeed
[16:31] <neuro> and, indeed
[16:31] <diddledan> "grrr" is foreplay, isn't it?
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: for Klingons
[16:32] <diddledan> lol
[16:32] <neuro> stupid Arnold Clark went through 3 aftermarket flexi exhaust kits for my car before realising none of them would fit, and that they should have quoted and ordered the kosher fiat parts in the first place
[16:32] <neuro> so now they have my car for a week instead of 2 days, i'm paying 100 quid more, and i have to drive this STUPID Kia Piccanto around a while longer
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[16:33] <MartijnVdS> neuro: at least it's not a Ford Ka
[16:33] <neuro> i'd prefer a Ka
[16:33] <diddledan> neuro: surely they should absorb the cost of getting it wrong?
[16:33] <dwatkins> my mum has one of those :-p
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> neuro: they're silly
[16:33] <neuro> diddledan: they've managed to discount the fiat parts, and after pushing by me, they're offering an additional £12 off
[16:34] <diddledan> twelve whole ones?
[16:34] <neuro> kwik fit say they could have the right aftermarket part supplied and fitted for the same price as arnold clark, but with a 3 yr parts+labour warranty rather than the 1yr parts + 3mo labour warranty AK offer
[16:35] <neuro> but since AK have basically let the hanging bracket disintegrate as they took it off, and claim they have had to cut the rest of the exhaust off due to it being welded to the chassis, i can't take the car anywhere else as it's not roadworthy
[16:35] <neuro> i swear they should wear balaclavas and shout "stick 'em up" as you walk into the showroom door
[16:35] <neuro> diddledan: yup, twelve whole ones
[16:36] <mgdm> neuro: get them to pay for someone with a trailer :-)
[16:36] <neuro> it's their fault they did other work before cutting off the exhaust, but can't road test the car to confirm the other work is ok, or if it needs more work done, because they've cut off the exhaust
[16:36] <neuro> and it's their suppliers that have shafted them
[16:36] <neuro> and, by proxy, me
[16:37] <neuro> utter, utter, utter, utter, utter, utter pain in the unmentionables
[16:37] <diddledan> pain in the exhaust port
[16:37] <neuro> ba dum tsh
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> neuro: some soothing hardcore gabber for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT4v2isvFQg ?
[16:37] <neuro> 2 metres wide
[16:37] <neuro> right behind the main port
[16:37] <neuro> MartijnVdS: pass
[16:37]  * neuro hits play on itunes again
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> neuro: it's King Dale - Utter 8-)
[16:38]  * neuro is listening to "What Your Soul Sings" by Massive Attack, from the album Collected. 231kbps MP3 
[16:38] <Laney> haha
[16:38] <Laney> I remember those now playing scripts
[16:38] <neuro> yeah, Linkinus lets me whack in /itunes and the nostalgia just rolls right over you
[16:39] <neuro> i can do this too:
[16:39] <neuro> System Info: Model:  MacBookPro9 · CPU Speed:  8 @ 2.6 GHz · L2:  256 KB · L3:  6 MB · RAM:  8 GB · OS X:  Version 10.8.4 (Build 12E55) · Hostname:  hornet · User:  neuro · Client:  Linkinus 2.4.3/25089 · Style:  I Are Sea!
[16:39] <mgdm> Because everyone cares aout the precise bitrate the MP3 is encoded at
[16:39] <neuro> yu
[16:39] <neuro> p
[16:39] <Laney> My favourite was the one that told me how many people I had "power" over
[16:39] <Laney> i.e. the sum of all non-ops in channels I was opped in
[16:39] <neuro> lol
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> Laney: not the sum of people on the server you were op on? ;)
[16:40] <Laney> oh MAN you out leeted me
[16:40] <Laney> see, it still happens people
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> Laney: it'll happen more often when you get older :P
[16:40] <diddledan> mIRC rockxs yo l33t sockxs
[16:40] <Laney> is it still developed?
[16:41] <diddledan> I believe so, and it still looks exactly the same
[16:41] <neuro> yup, v7.3.2
[16:41] <neuro> in May
[16:41] <neuro> costs $20
[16:41] <Laney> wow
[16:42] <Laney> still uses that horrible default font
[16:42]  * mgdm slaps diddledan around a bit with a large trout
[16:42] <neuro> hehe
[16:42] <neuro> does it? I thought it did Lucida Console by default now
[16:42] <mgdm> I remember having mIRC with some absurd script thing that made it do all kinds of weird things
[16:42] <mgdm> then I switched to irssi
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> then you could write them all over again
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> in perl
[16:43] <mgdm> I don't really think I need to
[16:43] <Laney> cowsay is all i need
[16:43] <mgdm> or figlet
[16:43] <neuro> figlet \o/
[16:43] <mgdm> I used figlet for actual work reasons the other day \o/
[16:44] <mgdm> (making a blindingly obvious MOTD on a machine)
[16:44] <neuro> \o/
[16:44]  * neuro makes boring ones using ec2 tool thingies
[16:44] <neuro> with dire threats about the computer misuse act in them
[16:44] <mgdm> heh
[16:45] <mgdm> I always wonder about those, and if they're even vaguely useful
[16:45]  * mgdm suspects not
[16:45] <neuro> what, ec2?
[16:46] <mgdm> No. The dire warnings about the CMA
[16:46] <neuro> ah
[16:46] <mgdm> I know EC2 is useful :-)
[16:46] <neuro>  - This system is for use by authorised users for company business only.
[16:46] <neuro>    Unauthorised use or entry contravenes the Computer Misuse Act 1990.
[16:46] <neuro> that's what i put in mine
[16:46] <neuro> for work, natch
[16:46] <MartijnVdS> neuro: that's implicit in a password prompt in .nl :)
[16:47] <Laney> pretty sure it is here
[16:48] <neuro> however, for my own stuff ...
[16:48] <neuro> http://pastebin.com/JXxyRtRf
[16:48] <neuro> mgdm: figlet at work, again :)
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> unreadable, too
[16:48] <neuro> looks better as white on black
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> A BBS I frequented in the 90s had a 50-line "ANSI art" Smurfette before its login prompt 8-)
[16:53] <neuro> heh
[16:53] <neuro> 14.4k?
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> neuro: everyone had 14k4, I had 9600 with MNP5 compression
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> because $dad
[16:54] <neuro> :)
[16:55] <neuro> been there
[16:55] <neuro> i used 9.6k GSM because my dad wouldn't run an extension off his 2nd phone line so i could dial out
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> wasn't that very expensive back then?
[16:56] <neuro> 1999? not that bad
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> ah '99
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> I was thinking '95ish
[16:56] <neuro> yeah, i just used le uni internet back then
[16:57] <neuro> sneakernet back to home
[16:58] <neuro> 'chips met een onweerstaabnaar lekkere smaak'
[16:58] <neuro> i love the dutch word 'smaak'
[16:58] <neuro> it's awesome
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> Are they really onweerstaanbaar?
[17:00] <neuro> they were olive flavoured
[17:01] <neuro> so i'd say semi-resistible
[17:01] <MartijnVdS> so they were lekker?
[17:02] <neuro> redelijk
[17:02] <directhex> badger badger.
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> directhex: only two left then?
[17:03] <neuro> PADDESTOEL, PADDESTOEL!
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> neuro: I used to live on the "Paddestoelweg" actually :)
[17:03] <neuro> hehe
[17:04] <neuro> i bet there are no actual mushrooms there
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> Very few.
[17:04] <directhex> dachs!
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> directhex: that's German. We skip the "ch" here.
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> Das. Das. Das. Das. PADDESTOEL PADDESTOEL.
[17:06] <neuro> SLANG! SLANG! Ohhhhhh, het is een slang!
[17:06] <neuro> we should stop this
[17:06] <neuro> :)
[17:06] <directhex> this is why it's called a dachshund. it's a species of hund, genetically engineered to hunt the fearsome dachs
[17:06] <directhex> and EAT ITS FACE OFF
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> damn you monsanto!
[17:06] <neuro> dassenhond?
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> neuro: nah, Teckel :)
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> neuro: yay Wikipedia's alternate language bar thingy
[17:08] <neuro> hehe
[17:09] <neuro> right, time to divert temporary enragement from windows servers to driving about in a stupid Kia Piccanto
[19:41] <mungbean> !ping
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> !pong
[19:43] <shauno> it was fun until they went stomping around 30 years later :/
[19:44] <mungbean> i should prob unignore joins/parts
[19:44] <mungbean> keep thinking irssi has frozen on me
[19:44] <mungbean> when nobody speaks for 3 hours
[19:44] <shauno> 'plasma pong' came out a few years ago, and was surprisingly good.  until Atari roflstomped it because they have to protect that valuable Pong franchise
[20:07] <mungbean> i can't tell if gadget man is being presented by richard ayoade or maurice moss
[20:10] <mungbean> this programme is so awkward
[20:10] <Seeker`> I think I saw Adam Hills in Euston earlier today. Wondering whether I should have gone and said 'hi' to him
[20:10] <popey> mungbean: do you not have a clock in the corner in irssi?
[20:11] <mungbean> oh yes
[20:11] <mungbean> ircnet server i was on spazzed up earlier so was unsure what was happening
[20:11] <mungbean> froze my sessions, forgotto check the clock though
[20:14] <bigcalm> popey: tell me about charms :)
[20:14] <mungbean> lumitab projector
[20:15] <popey> wat you wanna know?
[20:15] <mungbean> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops/promate-lumitab-is-a-bonkers-android-tablet-with-a-projector-50011089/
[20:15] <bigcalm> About to set up an Ubuntu 12.04 server on Rackspace. It'll be hosting what should be the latest version of gitlab. I want to know if I should use juju or do everything myself from source :)
[20:16] <bigcalm> Where do I find the source for charms?
[20:17] <bigcalm> manage.jujucharms.com ?
[20:18] <popey> https://jujucharms.com/
[20:18] <popey> https://jujucharms.com/fullscreen/search/precise/gitlab-2/?series=precise&text=gitlab&type=approved
[20:19] <popey> i probably wouldn't use juju for a single server install like that
[20:20] <bigcalm> Considering that gitlab is now at version 6...
[20:20] <bigcalm> :)
[20:21] <popey> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~charmers/charms/precise/gitlab/trunk/view/head:/hooks/install
[20:21] <popey> thats what the charm does to install gitlab
[20:21] <popey> 	sudo -u gitlab -H git clone https://github.com/gitlabhq/gitlabhq.git gitlab
[20:21] <popey> ☻
[20:22] <bigcalm> Interesting
[20:22] <bigcalm> I love that gitlab is hosted on github :D
[20:22] <mgdm> Seems fitting, given who it appears to be 'inspired by'
[20:23] <mungbean> has anyone ever been to nothe fort in weymouth?
[20:25] <bigcalm> Rackspace cloud server: 512MB/20GB server for 2p per hour or 1GB/40GB for 4p per hour?
[20:25] <bigcalm> Start small and grow it if needed
[20:26] <bigcalm> But I recall gitlab running horribly slow on an under powered server
[20:29]  * bigcalm checks for RSVP emails
[20:29] <ali1234> last time i tried to install gitlab it also needed loads of ruby stuff that isn't packaged
[20:30] <ali1234> or, wasn't
[20:30] <bigcalm> No RSVP emails :'(
[20:30] <bigcalm> ali1234: it is a bit of a ball ache to install
[20:31] <bigcalm> Lets see how the documentation goes with the the latest release
[20:32] <ali1234> it wasn't hard to install... it was just "sudo setup.sh"
[20:32] <ali1234> the hard part is uninstalling it :(
[20:34] <bigcalm> Oh dear :)
[20:34] <popey> is the box only going to do gitlab?
[20:34] <bigcalm> popey: yes
[20:35] <mungbean> http://www.turnkeylinux.org/gitlab
[20:53] <bigcalm> Ooooo, my android tv dongle might be delivered tomorrow
[20:53]  * bigcalm rubs his hands
[20:54] <Seeker`> as long as thats all you're rubbing!
[20:54] <popey> which one did you get?
[20:55] <bigcalm> popey: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00B18K4T2
[20:55] <bigcalm> Pondering the purchase of a bt keyboard with touch pad. Or not...
[20:57] <popey> i do like the related items at http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doctor-Smith-Eleventh-Doctors-Screwdriver/dp/B003FHXMDC
[20:57] <popey> ooh, i know a good keyboard...
[20:57] <bigcalm> Hehe
[20:58] <bigcalm> I don't see that as a related item
[20:58] <popey> its not
[20:58] <popey> I'm saying I like the related items to that item
[20:58] <bigcalm> Oh
[20:59]  * bigcalm looks
[20:59] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MELE-F10-2-4GHz-Air-Mouse-Wireless-Keyboard-IR-Remote-Control-Universal-PC-TV-/261041338224
[20:59] <bigcalm> Ha
[20:59] <popey> that
[20:59] <bigcalm> Fez and bow ries
[20:59] <bigcalm> Snazzy
[20:59] <bigcalm> Do you have one?
[20:59] <bigcalm> Does it work with your V+ box? :D
[21:00] <popey> i do not
[21:00] <popey> friend bought one
[21:01] <popey> ooh, sam would love this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doctor-Who-Sonic-Screwdriver-Universal/dp/B008MYVNXO
[21:01] <bigcalm> Is Sam a bigger fan than Tony?
[21:03] <awilkins> Shocking price
[21:04] <awilkins> One of those combined with a TV-be-gone would be super though
[21:04] <awilkins> Just wop out your sonic screwdriver and kill the TV in any bar or lounge
[21:20] <popey> and so to bed.
[22:49] <szymon_g> hi
[22:49] <szymon_g> how can i generate xorg.conf file? X -configure (with X turned off) doesn't generate proper one
[22:52] <Azelphur> what driver are you using?
[22:53] <szymon_g> intel's one
[22:53] <szymon_g> (ubuntu 12.04)
[22:54] <szymon_g> igp 4000, laptop with optimus technology
[22:56] <Azelphur> not sure then, xorg doesn't create it by default any more
[22:57] <daftykins> szymon_g: why do you feel it necessary to have one?
[23:05] <szymon_g> i'm going to configure touchpad (synaptics), i need to edit it. also, i prefer to have one
[23:06] <ali1234> you can probably just copy an old one
[23:06] <daftykins> you should be able to get a sample xorg.conf online easy, then just put in the intel driver
[23:06] <daftykins> unless you've been successfully utilising your optimus setup
[23:06] <ali1234> i think you can just have the synaptics config and skip the rest
[23:08] <szymon_g> ali1234, i don't have the "old one"
[23:09] <szymon_g> to put synaptic's configuration, i need to have a working one. I'd like to use the configuration xorg uses now
[23:40] <rafaelo> hello everybody
[23:40] <daftykins> hai
[23:41] <rafaelo> i came here for some help in ubuntu.....  can someone help me ?
[23:42] <rafaelo> i am newbe
[23:42] <daftykins> ask away describing your problem, but bear in mind that seeking help at 20 minutes to 1 might not get so many answers in -uk as you might in #ubuntu :)
[23:42] <rafaelo> ok no problem :) i have questions easy for you
[23:43] <rafaelo> i have managed most of my problems but there are some that i gave up
[23:44] <rafaelo> i want to upgrade the prog "pulseaudio" but i cant compile it
[23:44] <rafaelo> i downloaded version 4
[23:45] <daftykins> in ubuntu, software should be obtained by using APT repositories, not by downloading and compiling
[23:45] <rafaelo> and when i am starting to install it needs other progs, and other progs e.t.r
[23:45] <rafaelo> ok but repo is out of date
[23:46] <daftykins> are you running an old ubuntu version?
[23:46] <rafaelo> what is the fastest way to see my version?
[23:47] <ali1234> apt-cache policy pulseaudio
[23:47] <ali1234> !info pulseaudio
[23:48] <shauno> seems to be 3.0 in raring and 4.0 in saucy.  someone's on a version spree
[23:48] <rafaelo> !info pulseaudio
[23:48] <ali1234> they dn't seem to use the point
[23:48] <ali1234> rafaelo: the thing is, if you upgrade pulseaudio like that, loads of other software on your system will break
[23:49] <ali1234> versions have to match
[23:49] <ali1234> maybe not exactly, but eventually you'll break something if you carry on doing that
[23:49] <rafaelo> please wait for a while i am confused
[23:49] <shauno> I'm curious what you need 4 for?
[23:49] <rafaelo> yes sure i want to explain
[23:50] <rafaelo> when trying to play a 720 and up videos there is a message
[23:50] <rafaelo> that i need to upgrade to v.3 and up
[23:50] <ali1234> from what?
[23:51] <ali1234> and how many other packages have you "upgraded" this way?
[23:51] <rafaelo> Potential PulseAudio version problem: PulseAudio is streaming with an excessive latency. Sound may be lost or quality degraded. To address that issue, upgrade the PulseAudio daemon to version 3.0, or disable the alternate sampling rate in its configuration.
[23:52] <rafaelo> none packages
[23:52] <ali1234> what software shows that message?
[23:52] <rafaelo> i havent upgrade nothing outside repository
[23:52] <rafaelo> vlcmedia
[23:52] <rafaelo> is a better solution?
[23:52] <ali1234> ok. and does it play properly anyway?
[23:53] <rafaelo> no sound :(
[23:53] <rafaelo> and this message
[23:53] <shauno> what version of ubuntu are you using atm?  3 should be in raring (13.04, the current release)
[23:53] <ali1234> the best thing to do is upgrade the whole system to raring
[23:53] <ali1234> or, perhaps pulseaudio is in backports
[23:54] <shauno> sorry, I'll be quiet :)  I was curious if he needed 4 bad enough to try saucy, but if 3 is sufficient, it's an easy answer
[23:54] <rafaelo> the terms are difficulty for me, i cant understand
[23:54] <ali1234> shauno: must be using 12.04, anything else would have offered to upgrade already
[23:55] <rafaelo> can you tell me please a easy method to see my version?
[23:55] <ali1234> of ubuntu? cat /etc/lsb-release
[23:57] <rafaelo> what is the command in terminal?
[23:57] <rafaelo> to see my version?
[23:57] <ali1234> cat /etc/lsb-release
[23:58] <rafaelo> THANK you -----   its 12.04
[23:59] <rafaelo> i downloaded before 4 days from the official site
[23:59] <ali1234> you could try 13.04 (as a live cd maybe) but i am not sure it will actually help
[23:59] <ali1234> it might just be a missing codec, or something