[05:34] <kbmonkey> morning
[06:05] <Kilos> morning all
[06:19] <DeonP> morning
[06:24] <Kilos> morning DeonP psychicist 
[06:25] <Kilos> DeonP, have you contacted your service provider, maybe they got something stopping you getting setup
[06:28] <psychicist> morning Kilos 
[06:28] <Kilos> or maybe resovconf
[06:28] <Kilos> resolvconf
[06:29] <Kilos> i remember something about a conflick somewhere when doing ssh
[06:29] <Kilos> conflict
[06:32] <DeonP> i have, waiting for call
[06:32] <Kilos> ah
[07:00] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[07:00] <Kilos> hi tonberry352_ 
[07:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[07:21] <Kilos> oh DeonP also mail our list with the prob
[07:21] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:21] <Kilos> lots more clever peeps on our lists
[07:22] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[07:23] <superfly> hi Kilos
[07:23] <superfly> HawkiesZA says hi too
[07:23] <Kilos> ah ty tell him howsit
[07:42] <DeonP> i posted my problem an askubuntu, http://askubuntu.com/questions/340325/problem-connecting-to-isp-server-using-xl2tpd-as-client-ubuntu-server-13-04
[07:42] <DeonP> lets see what comes back
[08:04] <mazal> Morning everyone
[08:07] <Kilos-> hi barrydk 
[08:08] <barrydk> Good morning Kilos  and everyone
[08:09] <barrydk> Kilos, what was the name and mod of that router we talked about?
[08:10] <Kilos> oh my
[08:10] <Kilos> the one i have?
[08:10] <Kilos> or the one you wanna try get
[08:10] <barrydk> think so is it a 220 (something) its all i remember
[08:10] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:11] <barrydk> Or how can i go back to last weeks posts?
[08:11] <Kilos> you should try get one like the pros one. it can take a plugin ext antenna
[08:12] <barrydk> think it was that one
[08:12] <Kilos> i can never find the logs, always have to ask here
[08:13] <Kilos> http://www.irclog.org/ircnetwork/freenode.html
[08:13] <Kilos> see if that helps
[08:18] <mazal> That logs addy in the topic works nice
[08:18] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[08:19] <mazal> Lo oom
[08:19] <barrydk> Ish looks like hard work where is the pro
[08:19] <Kilos> lekker gerus?
[08:19] <mazal> "gerus" is 'n  relatiewe term oom hehehe. Maar dit was lekker ja dankie
[08:20] <Kilos> he has been so busy lately only pops in at night
[08:23] <Kilos> hi smile 
[08:23] <smile> hi Kilos :D
[08:23] <smile> how are you? :)
[08:24] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[08:24] <Kilos> :) :-)
[08:24] <Kilos> thats my smileys for the week
[08:25] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[08:25] <psyatw> hi smile
[08:25] <psyatw> hi ma
[08:25] <psyatw> mazal
[08:25] <smile> Kilos: only two? :)
[08:25] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[08:25] <smile> I'm fine too :D
[08:26] <Kilos> ya man smileys are hard work for me
[08:26] <smile> My laptop is working now :)
[08:26] <smile> :DD
[08:26] <Kilos> yay
[08:26] <smile> Runnin' Mint + Windows 7
[08:26] <smile> You know UEFI, Kilos? :)
[08:26] <Kilos> ?
[08:27] <Kilos> is that the thing thats replacing mbr
[08:27] <smile> It's the successor of BIOS :)
[08:27] <Kilos> guid
[08:27] <smile> UEFI+GPT = BIOS+MBR
[08:27] <smile> ;)
[08:27] <Kilos> ah
[08:27] <smile> GPT = GUID Partition Table
[08:27] <smile> :)
[08:28] <smile> UEFI quite sucks at the moment ;)
[08:28] <smile> I just erased my whole hard disk on the laptop and reinstalled everything again in legacy mode
[08:28] <smile> At least Linux boots now :)
[08:29] <Kilos> i had to remove it once and put mbr back
[08:29] <smile> That's what I did
[08:29] <smile> ;)
[08:29] <Kilos> too much to remember
[08:29] <Kilos> and we trying to learn LPI
[08:30] <smile> Linux Professional Institute ? :)
[08:30] <Kilos> you can join #linux-studies
[08:30] <Kilos> we gonna have a class on friday evenings
[08:32] <Kilos> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf\
[08:32] <Kilos> no back slash
[08:32] <Kilos> fingers too fat
[08:33] <smile> Kilos: I see :D
[08:33]  * smile looks at the PDF
[08:34] <smile> Heavy PDF :D
[08:35] <Kilos> lots to learn
[08:39] <smile> Yeah, it's basically a free book
[08:39] <smile> :)
[08:41] <smile> Kilos: what's evening? ;)
[08:41] <smile> 23:00? ;)
[08:43] <Kilos> 19.30 about
[08:44] <Kilos> but peeps pop in and out all the time
[08:47] <smile> :D
[08:47] <smile> okay :)
[09:03] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[09:31] <Kilos> hi Tinuva wb
[09:31] <Tinuva> thx
[09:32] <Kilos> you work for an isp hey?
[09:32] <Kilos> sorry for forgetting
[09:33] <Tinuva> yeah
[09:34] <Kilos> not mtn by chance
[09:34] <Tinuva> no
[09:34] <Kilos> hehe we have one guy battling a bit
[09:35] <Tinuva> mtn you get things fixed only one way
[09:35] <Tinuva> you start emailing them on a daily basis on what you need to get fixed
[09:35] <Kilos> haha yeah thats what i did before i found 8ta
[09:35] <Tinuva> then after a month, you track down who the personal assistants are of the managers, email them on a daily basis, they will then make sure it gets sorted out so that you can stop spamming them
[09:35] <Kilos> same with voda
[09:36] <Kilos> also hassle them on twitter too
[10:41] <Squirm> afternoon
[10:41] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[11:03] <zerlgi> Maaz seen Maiatoday
[11:03] <Maaz> zerlgi: Maiatoday was last seen 2 hours and 31 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-09-02 11:03:00 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-09-02 12:32:23 SAST
[11:13] <zerlgi> HI Kilos
[11:13] <Kilos> hi zerlgi howit?
[11:13] <zerlgi> Hi. Good tx
[11:47] <Kilos> why would one want to fiddle with runlevels?
[11:48] <mazal> Only time I use it is when I need to force a restart
[11:48] <mazal> Then I iniate level 6
[11:48] <mazal> Other than that I never fiddle with it
[11:49] <Kilos> ah
[11:53] <zerlgi> I use runlevels when rescueing systems. boot into runlevel 1
[11:53] <zerlgi> then instead of rebooting (because servers take up to 15 mins to run through their hardware checks)
[11:53] <zerlgi> ... I init 3 or 5 (whichever is relevent)
[12:35] <zerlgi> goodbye for now folks.
[12:42] <barrydk> Buy guys
[12:51] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a good evening
[14:28] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:51] <Kilos> things are getting too good. no one needs help anymore
[14:52] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, you still gotta do the late avy sorting
[14:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> the what now? o_O
[14:53] <Kilos> others already on thier way home or nearly
[14:53] <Kilos> till 6 pm
[14:53] <Kilos> sysadmin stuff
[14:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm trying to make sense of your sentence
[14:53] <Kilos> haha
[14:54] <Kilos> well like the pro says when others go home the sysadmin starts working
[14:54] <inetpro> uh
[14:54] <Kilos> m0orning inetpro 
[14:54] <Kilos> oo
[14:54] <inetpro> goeie more oom
[14:54] <Kilos> morning
[14:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh
[14:55] <inetpro> hoe't jy geweet ek het nou eers wakker geword?
[14:55] <Kilos> haha
[14:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think you should read what you said again... my brain is not able to parse it :P
[14:55] <Kilos> spioene
[14:55] <Kilos> yeah i dunno why it came out like that
[14:56] <Kilos> meant the sorting of other peeps day before you knock off
[15:08] <Kilos> i also meant are they still keeping you till 6 for these last coupla weeks
[15:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh
[15:27] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[15:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> they don't "keep" me til 6, my normal hours are 9.30 til 6
[15:28] <Kilos> ahya
[15:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> it works out well for me with the kids' routine and the traffic patterns
[15:28] <Kilos> aha too
[15:28] <Kilos> im not parsing to well today seems like
[15:28] <Kilos> hi Snowy2 
[15:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> new job is only 10km from home so traffic not really much of a concern at all
[15:28] <Kilos> great
[16:00] <theblazehen> so I have 2 MB of ram free...
[16:00] <theblazehen> Anything that uses less ram than vi?
[16:02] <Vince-0> nano?
[16:03] <theblazehen> ah there we go. arounk 300 KB less
[16:03] <theblazehen> I'm not sure if I should run a webserver + mailserver on 128 MB RAM...
[16:04] <Vince-0> OS?
[16:04] <theblazehen> think wordpress will run in 3 MB?
[16:04] <theblazehen> ubuntu server
[16:06] <theblazehen> does sh use less ram than bash? .......
[16:09] <Vince-0> sh is bash
[16:10] <theblazehen> I thought bash had more features?
[16:11] <Vince-0> sh is a specification
[16:11] <theblazehen> ah ok
[16:11] <theblazehen> Well which binary uses less ram?
[16:11] <Vince-0> bash is the implementation
[16:11] <theblazehen> ok
[16:13] <theblazehen> got 24 MB free now.
[16:13] <theblazehen> After a reboot
[16:14] <Vince-0> are you running a minimal install?
[16:17] <WOLFEYES> good day everyone
[16:17] <Vince-0> surp
[16:18] <Vince-0> theblazehen: I have ubuntu with lxde running on my arm tablet and it uses 116MB RAM idle
[16:19] <theblazehen> Vince-0, ah ok
[16:20] <theblazehen> at install mine used less than 28 MB
[16:20] <theblazehen> then i installed lamp-server and mail-server
[16:22] <Vince-0> you could try a smaller web and mail server
[16:22] <WOLFEYES> sorry guys I need a little bit of help please....with kde
[16:23] <WOLFEYES> I did an upgrade and it removed all panels from off the desktop, how do I get them back, right click doesn't help.!
[16:23] <WOLFEYES> I have to open all programs with the terminal...
[16:23] <theblazehen> Vince-0, good idea
[16:25] <Kilos> im just googling
[16:25] <Vince-0> WOLFEYES: try restoring default KDE settings? Is there any GUI
[16:25] <WOLFEYES> Theres nothing
[16:26] <WOLFEYES> maybe I can open it with terminal but I do not know how
[16:26] <Kilos> how do you open a konsole
[16:26] <WOLFEYES> Cntrl + Alt +T
[16:26] <Kilos> ah
[16:26] <Kilos> those are the keys for unity
[16:26] <Kilos> whew
[16:27] <Vince-0> WOLFEYES: are you using Kubuntu?
[16:27] <WOLFEYES> yes sir
[16:27] <Vince-0> http://askubuntu.com/questions/109530/how-do-i-restore-my-kde-desktop-to-default
[16:28] <Kilos> ill go see WOLFEYES 
[16:29] <Kilos> mv ~/.kde4 ~/.kde4.old
[16:29] <Vince-0> If your KDE settings are broken, mv ~/.kde4 ~/.kde4.old
[16:29] <Vince-0> log back in
[16:31] <Kilos> whew that sucks
[16:31] <Kilos> wb
[16:31] <ci-pc-lap1> heya guys me again
[16:31] <Kilos> what happened
[16:31] <ci-pc-lap1> I lost the window
[16:32] <ci-pc-lap1> couldntminimize firefox
[16:32] <ci-pc-lap1> http://slexy.org/view/s21mkxQyH1
[16:33] <Kilos> Vince-0, its WOLFEYES again
[16:33] <ci-pc-lap1> nods
[16:33] <ci-pc-lap1> brb trying to find the other windows
[16:34] <Kilos> Vince-0, he is my son
[16:34] <Vince-0> oh haai
[16:35] <Kilos> wont installing kdm sort that prob?
[16:36] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[16:37] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[16:37] <WOLFEYES> ok I found it
[16:37] <Vince-0> to remove Plasma settings: kquitapp plasma; rm $KDEHOME/share/config/plasma-appletsrc; plasma 
[16:38] <WOLFEYES> had to close firefox
[16:38] <Vince-0> WOLFEYES: that will delete everything for Plasma and a relog will recreate default settings
[16:39] <WOLFEYES> but did you see what it said in slexy
[16:39] <WOLFEYES> but let me try log off and on.
[16:41] <Tonberry> anyone here on cellc internet? Can you upload more than 1MB over tcp?
[16:43] <Tonberry> something forcefully kills my tcp connections if I go over that
[16:49] <Kilos> looks like he killed it Vince-0 
[16:52] <Vince-0> ow, that'd be me killing it too
[16:53] <Kilos> lol
[16:53] <Kilos> i wonder what went wrong with the upgrade
[16:55] <Vince-0> what's the problem now?
[16:55] <Kilos> ?
[16:55] <Kilos> he dont seem to be able to boot
[16:56] <Kilos> lets hope he just went shopping and the pc is fine
[16:59] <Vince-0> ow, booting won't be affected by KDE settings
[16:59] <Kilos> maybe black screen so he sees nothing
[17:00] <Kilos> maybe those other things you turn off
[17:00] <Kilos> alt+shift+f12 bypasses it
[17:01] <Kilos> im just gonna boot into kde 
[17:01] <Kilos> wbb
[17:02] <WOLFEYES> still nothing
[17:02] <Vince-0> what upgrade broke it?
[17:02] <WOLFEYES> but I can open the system settings page
[17:03] <WOLFEYES> I have no clue
[17:03] <WOLFEYES> how do I check that
[17:03] <WOLFEYES> or how do I fix it
[17:03] <Vince-0> what did you do when it broke
[17:05] <WOLFEYES> tried to find the missing panel
[17:05] <WOLFEYES> nothing worked
[17:05] <WOLFEYES> so I tried the terminal
[17:05] <WOLFEYES> it worked
[17:05] <WOLFEYES> connected to the net
[17:05] <Vince-0> ok so broken panel
[17:05] <WOLFEYES> and cames here
[17:05] <WOLFEYES> seems that way
[17:05] <WOLFEYES> and pidgin too
[17:06] <Vince-0> what did the command string return:
[17:06] <Vince-0> kquitapp plasma; rm $KDEHOME/share/config/plasma-appletsrc; plasma
[17:06] <WOLFEYES> I pasted it int he room
[17:06] <WOLFEYES> hold on I will fetch it
[17:07] <WOLFEYES> http://slexy.org/view/s21mkxQyH1
[17:07] <Vince-0> that's the previous command
[17:08] <WOLFEYES> ok
[17:08] <WOLFEYES> let me reopen it in firefox
[17:21] <Kilos-> grrr
[17:43] <Kilos> what did i miss Vince-0 . pc decided to auto reboot
[17:45] <Vince-0> nothin, *playing battlefield
[17:45] <Kilos> hehe
[17:57] <magespawn> good evening
[17:58] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[18:04] <magespawn> how is it going?
[18:05] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[18:05] <charl_> hi magespawn 
[18:05] <charl_> hi Vince-0 
[18:13] <Kilos> grrr 
[18:17] <Vince-0> haai
[18:17] <magespawn> hi charl_ 
[18:30] <Kilos-> sorry for the join/part peeps. pc keeps rebooting on its own
[18:52] <magespawn> not much luck Kilos 
[18:53] <Kilos> your side mage?
[18:54] <magespawn> installed and running, need to create a normal user
[18:54] <Kilos> lol
[18:55] <Kilos> i got mine going too, reinstalled
[18:55] <magespawn> cool beans
[18:55] <Kilos> but now need this pc to be online
[18:55] <Kilos> other one keeps rebooting
[18:55] <Kilos> grrr
[18:59] <magespawn> strange, is not, maybe, over heating?
[18:59] <Kilos> ?
[18:59] <Kilos> trying another old psu
[19:00] <Kilos> otherwise blow clean tomorrow
[19:45] <Kilos-> night all. sleep tight
[19:45] <psychicist> good night Kilos- 
[19:46] <magespawn> good night all