[03:36] <OvenWerk1> smartboyhw: The reason the kdenlive docbook doesn't work is because the index.docbook file is gzipped. (index.docbook.gz) I used gunzip on it and the documentation is fine. Bug #1219476 
[03:38] <OvenWerk1> I tried looking through the package to see how to fix it, but I don't understand the make process well enough. The source is not zipped.
[03:38] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, OK
[03:40] <micahg> OvenWerk1: you want a meta upload for beta 1?
[03:41] <OvenWerk1> if you could... it can wait till .04 if it has to... but it is a bug. I should make one for it I guess :)
[03:41] <OvenWerk1> micahg: ^^
[03:48] <micahg> OvenWerk1: have a bug?
[03:49] <micahg> otherwise I'll upload so your meta matches the seed
[03:49] <OvenWerk1> "collecting problem information" Give me a minute
[03:53] <OvenWerk1> Bug #1219625
[03:53] <micahg> hrm :(
[03:53] <micahg> that means there's a bug in kdenlive
[03:54] <micahg> oh, maybe ont
[03:54] <OvenWerk1> There is also a bug in kdenlive ( Bug #1219476 ) but that is different... 
[03:56] <OvenWerk1> (could also be a problem with khelpcenter4)
[03:56] <micahg> hrm, the help center is a recommends on several kde packages
[03:56] <micahg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6053728/
[03:57] <OvenWerk1> And kdenlive should hope to be able to to run on a non-kde system.
[03:59] <micahg> I think the proper way to fix this would be to add the recommends on kdenlive
[03:59] <OvenWerk1> I should bug that too then. 
[03:59] <OvenWerk1> I should be able to do a merge branch, but the better thing would be in debian.
[04:00] <micahg> once that's fixed, it can be dropped from the seed
[04:00] <micahg> yeah, Debian would be best
[04:00] <OvenWerk1> May be some time before it trickles down.
[04:00] <micahg> needs a merge anyways
[04:01] <micahg> riddell touched it alst
[04:01] <micahg> *last
[04:01]  * smartboyhw is from Kubuntu, so let him fix that
[04:01] <micahg> well, fix in Ubuntu in the next merge, file a Debian bug so it gets fixed there as well
[04:01] <micahg> you should probably coordinate that with Kubuntu
[04:01] <OvenWerk1> That should just be Thankyou smartboyhw 
[04:01] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, sure
[04:01] <smartboyhw> First of all, I shall bug Debian
[04:03] <OvenWerk1> smartboyhw: in kubuntu this is probably not a bug :)  :P
[04:03] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, :P
[04:03] <micahg> why not?
[04:03] <smartboyhw> It should be anyways
[04:03] <OvenWerk1> I would think khelpcenter4 is installed anyway.
[04:04] <micahg> OvenWerk1: you'll need to ask for the meta to be unblocked due to the freeze
[04:04] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, yep
[04:04] <micahg> yeah, but it's still a packaging bug
[04:04] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, you need to file an FFe.
[04:04] <micahg> fow which?
[04:05] <OvenWerk1> micahg: I can pull the last commit for seeds. Might be best if kdenlive is going to be fixed.
[04:05] <micahg> last commit?
[04:05] <micahg> I uploaded already
[04:05] <OvenWerk1> ok.
[04:06] <micahg> smartboyhw: which thing needs an FFe?
[04:06] <smartboyhw> micahg, the unblocking of the meta?
[04:06] <micahg> I'd venture to say it doesn't since it's just making the archive reflect what the ISOs already had pre-beta 1 freeze
[04:06]  * smartboyhw does not know if it is a new feature or something
[04:07] <micahg> In Xubuntu's case, we were adding something new that wasn't in the seed at all
[04:07] <OvenWerk1> fix.
[04:07] <micahg> IMHO, IANA release team member
[04:08]  * OvenWerk1 was slack in reporting the bugs as he found them in daily testing.
[04:08] <OvenWerk1> I should have done them in order.
[04:09] <smartboyhw> Hmm, it sounds like kdenlive isn't maintained by the Debian Qt/KDE maintainers team
[04:10] <smartboyhw> Instead, it is an individual maintainer
[04:10]  * smartboyhw has to sync as many images as he can today to prepare for Ubuntu 13.10 Beta 1 testing
[04:10] <OvenWerk1> all the more why it should depend on what it needs and not expect it to be installed as part of a KDE install.
[04:11] <micahg> OvenWerk1: hrm, yeah, that probably should've been an FFe, I thought I remembered 3 things added to the seeds before freeze
[04:11] <smartboyhw> Bugged Debian
[04:12] <micahg> smartboyhw: you were right, I thought it was in there before
[04:12] <smartboyhw> micahg, :)
[04:12] <micahg> OvenWerk1: please get the FFe approved before asking for it to be unblocked
[04:12] <smartboyhw> No worries, we can just file it
[04:13] <smartboyhw> \o/ http://smartboyhwubuntu.wordpress.com/2013/09/02/season-of-kde/
[04:16] <OvenWerk1> micahg: I have been thinking of any work I have done since FF as for .04 .. I forgot the seeds go now.
[04:16]  * micahg isn't sure what .04 is?
[04:16] <OvenWerk1> 14.04
[04:16]  * smartboyhw thinks OvenWerk1 means 13.04
[04:16] <smartboyhw> *14.04
[04:16] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, heh, I've been thinking too
[04:16] <micahg> oh, /me was wondering if it was 12.04.4
[04:16] <smartboyhw> micahg, we are trying to make Ubuntu Studio 14.04 FREAKING AWESOME
[04:18] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1 is possibly going to do some GRUB development;)
[04:18] <micahg> I would think the Studio limited development resources would be best spent elsewhere
[04:19] <smartboyhw> micahg, ?
[04:20] <OvenWerk1> micahg: now that we have the desktop (our part of it) working well, we want to make sure all of the apps we ship work. So Ihave been trying to do small projects with them all. More than just "does it start".
[04:20] <micahg> I don't see flavors in general needing to worry about grub
[04:20] <micahg> OvenWerk1: that's great
[04:20] <OvenWerk1> What we have done is enough for now. If I did more it would be outsdie of ubuntustudio.
[04:20]  * smartboyhw works on offline docs and linux-rt for 14.04 LTS
[04:21] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, yeah
[04:21] <OvenWerk1> By that I mean for grub.
[04:24] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, we know:P
[04:35] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, please file the FFe:0
[04:36] <smartboyhw> ;)
[04:36] <OvenWerk1> smartboyhw: is there a web page on how?
[04:36] <micahg> !ffe | OvenWerk1 
[04:36] <smartboyhw> Damn, I was typing the link manually:)P
[04:36] <micahg> :)
[04:37] <smartboyhw> micahg, where do you live, BTW? Seems different to grasp when your uptime is
[04:38] <micahg> hehe, that's what everyone says, though, I've been on normal US time for the most part the past few months
[04:38] <smartboyhw> micahg, OK
[04:38]  * micahg heads to sleep
[04:38] <OvenWerk1> And I found it by google...
[04:38] <OvenWerk1> Good night
[04:40] <smartboyhw> Good night micahg 
[04:40] <micahg> night
[07:26] <smartboyhw> zequence-work, welcome!
[07:26] <smartboyhw> Back at work, eh?
[07:30] <smartboyhw> Hey cub 
[07:30] <cub> Hello smartboyhw 
[07:30] <smartboyhw> cub, can you zsync the Ubuntu Studio daily i386 (13.10) ISO now?
[07:30] <smartboyhw> So you can be better prepared when Beta 1 testing starts;)
[07:31] <cub> yeah I would probably need to anyhow. My Saucy installation died on me on Friday.
[07:31] <smartboyhw> cub, -.-
[07:31] <cub> Just won't let me log in
[07:32] <cub> No idea what broke it. Won't work after updates or reinstallation of packages.
[07:32] <cub> so, new iso.
[07:36] <cub> Beta 1 is on thursday?
[07:36] <smartboyhw> cub, yes
[07:36] <smartboyhw> cub, just zsync it down first, we can't report test results against the Beta 1 images
[07:36] <smartboyhw> And, we will have changes coming ( I think)
[07:42] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, infinity unblocked ubuntustudio-meta
[07:42] <cub> hmm how come zsync is not pre-installed? :D
[07:43] <smartboyhw> cub, it isn't 
[07:43] <cub> I know. But since everyone use it i thought it was strange is wasn't installed
[07:45] <zequence-work> cub: Ususally not being able to login is the result of a change in user settings
[07:46] <zequence-work> cub: Once I had accidentally transferred ownership of my home files to another user - which made me not have the right to read those files
[07:46] <zequence-work> what you can do when you don't know what the problem is - delete all files in the home folder, except those you want to keep
[07:47] <zequence-work> next login should work fine and you get default user settings
[07:48] <zequence-work> to make changes to files, you need to boot in recovery mode. enable networking to make the file system writable. then do what you need to do, and reboot
[07:59] <cub> yeah, I read up on several solutions for login issues but so far nothing really helped. I've already put in like 10 times more time than it would take to reinstall, so I'm going windows on the laptp. Reinstall. ;)
[10:02] <smartboyhw> cub, WINDOWS?
[10:03] <smartboyhw> :(
[10:45] <cub> smartboyhw,  the windows way of solving problems, reinstall. ;)
[10:45] <smartboyhw> cub, heh
[10:45]  * smartboyhw reinstalls quite often actually
[11:00] <zequence-work> OvenWerk1: I'm a bit puzzled over the kdenlive bug
[11:00] <zequence-work> IT seems to have been fixed for the ubuntustudio meta, but not for the kdenlive package itself
[11:00] <zequence-work> If I'm understanding the bug report correctly
[11:02] <zequence-work> Going out, but I'll read the logs later
[11:24] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, I'm going to call for a merge of kdenlive, the bug got fixed
[11:24] <smartboyhw> And a new version in debian is out
[11:27] <smartboyhw> Still uploading though, so will take some time
[11:27] <smartboyhw> (I mean, in Debian side)
[11:47]  * smartboyhw tests the amd64 daily iamge
[12:03] <cub> hmm installed saucy from daily and run the first apt-get update "ubuntustudio-video" has been kept back?
[12:04] <zequence> cub: dist-upgrade?
[12:04] <smartboyhw> cub, um, that's because we uploaded a new ubuntustudio-meta
[12:04] <cub> no just simple upgrade the first one
[12:04] <cub> things are moving fast. :P
[12:04] <zequence> cub: Always do dist-upgrade
[12:05] <zequence> upgrade is not the "normal" upgrade
[12:05] <zequence> it's a gentle variant that won't remove files on your system if the upgrade requires it
[12:06] <smartboyhw> cub, zequence I think we will have a good enough Beta 1 for release:)
[12:06] <cub> nice
[12:06] <cub> it use a lot of RAM though ..hmm
[12:06] <smartboyhw> From the current daily, at least nothing's breaking
[12:08] <cub> "update-apt-xapi" is taking 97% of my cpu. After I have ran the upgrades.
[13:29] <xequence> The interview was good. I think I got the job. 
[13:31] <OvenWerk1> xequence: Sounds great!
[13:32]  * OvenWerk1 is wondering which bug smartboy fixed
[13:33] <xequence> OvenWerk1 Yep. Sun is shining. Feeling pretty awesome
[14:05] <OvenWerk1> smartboyhw: which of the two kdenlive bugs did you fix?
[14:06] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, I didn't fix anything, Debian did
[14:06] <smartboyhw> The maintainer uploaded a new build
[14:07] <smartboyhw> I mean, the khelpcenter4 bug
[14:07] <OvenWerk1> Which one?
[14:07] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, the recommends
[14:07] <OvenWerk1> So it still might not work.
[14:08] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, ouch
[14:08] <smartboyhw> I don't know what the "second bug" is
[14:09] <OvenWerk1> Bug #1219476
[14:09] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, this we will have to directly bug upstream
[14:10]  * smartboyhw reports
[14:10] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, I don't think a fix for this can go in to Beta 1.
[14:11] <OvenWerk1> Ya but if one of our users asks... they can at least fix it on their own system.
[14:11] <OvenWerk1> I am thinking more of .04 anyway
[14:16] <OvenWerk1> This second bug may be with khelpcenter anyway. It is possible it is supposed to be able to read gzipped files.
[14:17] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, http://www.kdenlive.org/mantis/view.php?id=3156
[14:37] <OvenWerk1> smartboyhw: Thankyou
[14:54] <OvenWerk1> smartboyhw: I can find lots of documentation on what is inside the docbook files, but nothing as to what the files are and how they are stored. Nothing as to what files should appear in which directory and how they should appear. I am guessing it is normal to use some kind of tool to create the source and another to compile it.
[14:54] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, OK
[14:54] <OvenWerk1> That makes me wonder if khelp is what is broken or if kdenlive uses an older tool 
[14:55] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, khelpcenter is itself not broken
[14:55] <OvenWerk1> Ok
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Since I'm basically using it for my Season of KDE project -.-
[14:55] <OvenWerk1> but is it missing a feature it used to have?
[14:57] <OvenWerk1> the source docbook in kdenlive is correct. The gzip happens at compile or packaging time.
[14:58] <smartboyhw> OvenWerk1, I'm thinking of the location
[15:05] <OvenWerk1> the debian package has the same pproblem though it is a higher version
[15:34] <micahg> smartboyhw: did you get the FFe approved before you asked for the unblock?
[15:35] <smartboyhw> micahg, um, I didn't, but it's a release team member (infinity) who approved it..
[15:35] <smartboyhw> I was just asking if I need a FFe
[15:35] <smartboyhw> And he approved it -.-
[15:36] <micahg> [02:38] <smartboyhw> Ubuntu Release Team: Please unblock ubuntustudio-meta (uploaded by micahg)
[15:36] <micahg> [02:38] <smartboyhw> We need it in
[15:36] <micahg> that's all I saw
[15:36] <smartboyhw> micahg, there's another line
 Ubuntu Release Team: Please unblock ubuntustudio-meta (uploaded by micahg)
 We need it in
 smartboyhw: Done.
 infinity, \o/ thanks
[15:36] <smartboyhw> -.-
[15:37] <micahg> that's called responding to an unblock request, not ACKing an FFe
[15:37] <micahg> though release team usually doesn't care much if a flavour affects only itself