[00:01] i tried before 10 years to experiment with linux OSes but the most common problem that i havent managed after much much reading is to install a programm..... i.e. .tar.gr [00:02] it is really pain.......... [00:02] that's why you're not meant to install things that way ;) [00:02] .deb files are super [00:02] one click [00:03] no that's wrong as well, they need to be repos else they'll get stuck [00:04] for a newbe yes.... but i want to work permanent with ubuntu , so i must install programs, and i dont want to use wine [00:05] btw i havent installed wine yet, but i have read so much for it [00:06] do you thing that is better to use the last version of ubuntu> === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [00:07] surely you'd want to stick to a distributions best practices? [00:08] 12.04 LTS i thought that is better for me [00:09] do you know how disable the alternate sampling rate in configuration? [00:09] this is what is asking [00:15] you edit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf and comment out the line that says "alternate-sampling-rate" [00:15] then run pulseaudio -k [00:16] i bet it won't help though - it is probably already commented out anyway [00:18] i will try [00:19] have you tried a different video player? such as totem or mplayer? [00:19] no. whichone to try? [00:22] both of them [00:22] ok i try them [00:22] totem is the default one in ubuntu [00:22] hey guys, the silly form is down when i was attempting to help someone with a package to install to get wireless going [00:22] would it be linux-firmware-nonfree that might contain wireless drivers? [00:23] *forum [00:23] firmwares, yes [00:23] got a dmesg? [00:24] there will be an error about missing firmware, if that is the problem [00:24] it's the one where someone has no wireless with a broadcom 4311 [00:24] there's a thread i keep going to to link people to but as the forum is down i can't cheat :( [00:25] yeah that has the b43 firmwares in it [00:25] /lib/firmware/b43/* [00:25] excellent :) thanks ali1234 [00:26] i have sent the user to install + reboot [00:26] actually there is also linux-wlan-ng-firmware [00:26] hopefully having wired connected doesn't stop network manager from showing networks [00:26] it doesn't [00:26] good good :> [00:26] ah wlan-ng is for a bunch of different cards [00:54] oh man. gnome-shell on debian, in vmware. for some reason the screen has picked 5120x3200. obviously my laptop doesn't do this. but vmware helpfully decided to scale it instead of refusing it [00:55] the systems settings dialog is about the size of my thumbprint, and I look like a moleman trying to read it [01:01] shauno: is that down to not specifying a max monitor res in the VM's settings? [01:01] I don't have such a setting [01:02] I'm not complaining really, that's my fault for firing up gnome before the guest additions. just not used to it going to that extreme. usually you login and find yourself in 800x600 or something silly [01:03] :D [01:03] ah in vmware workstation on Windows i get that beside the 'enable 3D' option in the VM config [01:06] I just get a tick-box for whether or not it should lie to the guest about a 'retina' display (which I don't have) [01:06] ah, fusion? [01:06] yeah [01:07] hmm that'd be pretty sweet, you could probably have lots of 1:1 VMs up beside one another at once on a retina display [01:07] well you know, a grid of 2x2 instead of 1 [01:09] I think I'll have to keep on fighting with that tomorrow. it's way too late for this [01:09] for some reason, the guest just won't receive a v4 address from my router [01:09] which leaves me with a very, very small internet [01:09] attached to the bridge adapter? [01:10] yeah [01:10] how quirky [01:10] it's reaching the router fine because it's getting a v6 route through it [01:10] I mean, I can get to google, facebook, etc [01:11] but ipv4 still comes in handy, to put it mildly [01:12] :> [01:13] that's very funky [01:15] it is. I have another debian VM that's having no problems at all [01:23] oh well. I finished what I came for. I have a program that runs under osx & linux. but the osx version has an unfortunate bug that breaks a couple of laws :/ [01:24] :O breakin' the law, breakin' the law [01:24] a small program to program to program frequencies into a 2m handheld. for some reason, when I attach the cable to an osx host, it holds down the send key. under a linux VM, it's fine. and I'm not licenced, so going anywhere near the send key is a no-no [01:25] what's said device? [01:26] baofeng something or other. cheap as dirt, but it's fine for listening [01:26] i mean is it a radio of some form? [01:26] oh, yeah, 2m/70cm amateur bands [01:26] ah :) [01:27] which is why it's a pain to troubleshoot. I can't just leave it jammed on send while I mess around. the only reaction to seeing the light go red is to turn it off [01:28] hehe [01:28] so I don't know if it's me, the cable, the software, etc. [01:28] anyhow. 'night [01:28] nn sir o/ [04:24] Morning everyone! === emma is now known as em [04:28] I Think that's still debatable at this point [04:43] (and yes, I may have just given away the reason I'm a caffeine fiend) [04:48] I just woke up at 6:01 [04:48] no caffeine required [05:16] 5:30 after ~3 hours sleep, takes just a little coercion [07:11] morning all [07:13] meh [07:13] wassup Myrtti [07:13] nokia mobiles sold to ms. the other shoe fell. [07:13] https://twitter.com/ericjackson/statuses/374737636990001152 [07:19] a few billion dollars [07:23] today is a good day for me to stay out of Facebook [07:23] How unexpected. [07:23] yeah. [07:23] Myrtti: you know Nokia people who won't like working for MS? [07:23] couldn't see that coming in a billion years. [07:24] MartijnVdS: I bloody hope so ;-) [07:26] Time to boil some water. === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [07:41] oof.. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ1MTU didn't expect that [07:42] what did you expect then [07:42] that they'll write about your kitten :-P [07:43] expected my friends on G+ to go "oh, thanks for writing that blog post you promised a year ago" :D [07:43] you're Internet Ubuntu famous [07:43] tsk. [07:43] they'll latch into anything [07:44] it's a bit weird seeing them use your full name [07:47] it is [07:50] that made yesterday my busiest blog day for months, maybe years === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [07:56] *drool* http://shop.lego.com/en-NL/Sopwith-Camel-10226 [07:56] Don't tempt me with such things, you evil user, MartijnVdS ;) [07:56] that esata tower looks pretty swish [07:57] dwatkins: but.. lego! [07:59] MartijnVdS: precisely, I'm trying to cut down (for financial reasons, nothing more) [08:00] dwatkins: I have a friend who is into lego, he wrote this http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/184533812X/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_til?tag=elsmorenet-21&camp=1406&creative=6394&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=184533812X&adid=0YF7DVG4NEHZTJVRV4DH&&ref-refURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwarrenelsmore.com%2Fbrick-city%2F [08:01] AlanBell: I have this one: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Forbidden-LEGO-Models-Parents-Against/dp/1593271379 [08:10] MartijnVdS: i've made a sopwith: http://i.imgur.com/hA7X4a9.jpg [08:10] mungbean: sopwith - port of the 1980's side-scrolling WWI dogfighting game [08:10] apt-get install sopwith \o/ [08:10] AlanBell: ooh, neat [08:11] mungbean: cool, how big is that IRL? [08:11] tiny... [08:11] 1/72 scale, let me find a matching pic [08:12] do you know how big these paint tinlets are? http://i.imgur.com/X4lkZxR.jpg [08:13] AlanBell: I suspect my brother will get that, he really likes St Pancras station and Lego ;) [08:18] st pancras in lego form? are you people mad? [08:21] SuperMatt: http://now-here-this.timeout.com/2013/05/08/in-pictures-the-incredible-lego-st-pancras-international-station/ ? [08:21] MADNESS! [08:22] I can't even find my way around inside, how the hell has he managed it in lego?!? [08:22] yeah, that is Warren [08:23] http://warrenelsmore.com/blog/ mixture of Lotus Notes stuff and bricks [08:23] oh I see [08:23] he likes lotus notes [08:23] that explains everything [08:23] this explains everything [08:23] MartijnVdS: some people have too much time on their hands [08:23] * AlanBell used to be a notes developer [08:23] lol [08:24] have you recovered? [08:24] pervert [08:24] it is good stuff, it is NoSQL, like couchdb and mongodb before they invented the term [08:24] nurse, more pills [08:24] and it is a rubbish email client, and people for some weird reason think it is an email program [08:26] AlanBell: a bit like people think Emacs is an editor. [08:26] +how [08:26] yeah, kinda :) [08:26] well, actually probably more like if everyone thought emacs was a mail client [08:27] AlanBell: I give you gnus. [08:28] and flamed emacs for not being as good as thunderbird as a mail client [08:28] AlanBell: I give you mutt users [08:28] oi, what about mutt users? [08:29] eventually IBM destroyed the partner ecosystem and community around it [08:30] shauno: they complain a lot :P [08:30] isn't (al)pine better than mutt? [08:30] that depends who you ask, mungbean ;) [08:30] yes, religious wars etc [08:30] I used pine for years, really liked it, but later on I tried to use mutt and couldn't get to grips with it. [08:30] we still use Notes. I hear it's going to be phased out. can't come soon enough [08:31] on the flipside, I had a colleague who really liked mutt and used it all the time. [08:31] i know about 50 pine users [08:31] We sometimes get issues reported by customers using Notes, mainly large corporations though. [08:31] they funny thing is, a few of them still login to a server and run it, rather than run it on their desktop, because thats what you had to do in the 80s [08:32] I think we count as large now; somewhere between 160-180,000 heads, give or take an acquisition or two [08:34] but Notes has grown into a monster. no-one knows what's in which database anymore. the only way to track down what you're looking for is to find someone over the age of 40 and rob their bookmarks [08:34] yeah, that is how it is supposed to be used :) [08:37] and this silly naming convention where everything I need should be on one of the servers that are named after fishes. so you get strange conversations where people will be standing around asking if a galdr is a type of fish or not [08:47] gah selective eyesight [08:49] Good morning all, happy Welsh Rarebit Day! :-D [08:49] posh cheese on toast [08:50] is it really? [08:50] source! [08:50] (or sauce) [08:50] yummy [08:52] I never understood the name, perhaps it's Welsh. [08:54] Were-rabbit Day? [08:54] good morning everyone. [09:25] Good morning peeps :) [09:25] Yo! [09:25] Ahoy! [09:26] czajkowski: thanks for the card :) [09:26] bigcalm: np sorry we cannot make it also, cant get the site to work :/ [09:27] Oh poo, means the db is down AGAIN! [09:27] Why does mysql keep falling over on that server? :( [09:28] Morning [09:28] morning morning [09:28] * bigcalm installs supervisor [09:29] http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/22.png illustrates nicely what I was getting at about being locked into google. [09:29] from http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/09/balky-carriers-and-slow-oems-step-aside-google-is-defragging-android/ [09:31] did canonical launchpad ever take off [09:31] popey: aye tisannoying and when you uninstall some of those apps if you dont use them on each update they get reinstalled again [09:31] mungbean: what do you mean ? [09:31] having serious discussions about which linux distro to roll out, resulting in around 500+ desktops [09:31] "Google has purposefully made every effort to make Android OS updates as boring as possible" << That's an assumption. Where's the evidence? [09:32] RPM based distros are v good for running spacewalk/satellite etc for deployment [09:32] unsure about enterprise level deployment of ubuntu and ongoing management [09:34] czajkowski: sorry i mean landscape, not launchpad [09:34] :) [09:35] popey: Laney I'm getting a PUG!!!!!!! [09:35] gosh [09:35] oh dead [09:35] Look out chickens [09:35] Oh my [09:35] hopefully the pug wil get on with the hens [09:35] chickens won't be bothered by a pug [09:35] mungbean: landscape is part of the support offering, so people automatically get it at some levels I believe [09:35] and the hens have their nice run [09:35] i wonder what the pricing model is like for ubuntu advantage [09:35] AlanBell: keep telling Jon that :) [09:36] Will look a bit like filace then I'm sure ;-) [09:36] TheOpenSourcerer: LOL! [09:36] mungbean: http://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=41_38 [09:36] not getting the pug till nov till after the next 9 weeks travel where I'm on the road most weeks [09:36] "Looking for business volume licensing? Request a call. [09:36] " [09:37] wowzers. not gonna be cheap just to get lanscape [09:37] czajkowski: nice! [09:37] considering we have experts in house [09:37] got pics? [09:38] do the head and body belong to the same species? [09:38] if not, not trying hard enough [09:38] Laney: not getting it till november till I come back from NYC [09:39] still enough time to do the splicing then [09:39] wouldn't be fair to get a puppy as september nad october I'm going to live at an airport [09:39] Laney: you are not being let near the pug! [09:39] puppy pug :D [09:40] mungbean: call and find out [09:41] it seems that way. then i get on a sales person's christmas card list :( [09:51] Where are upstart scripts kept? [09:51] brief scraping noise that sounded like it came from inside my laptop [09:51] probably alright... [09:51] bigcalm: /etc/init [09:51] Oh [09:51] i've found foreman which looks like a good replacement for spacewalk [09:52] Laney: thank you :) [09:52] np [09:57] My tv dongle didn't arrive in the post today :'( [09:58] Woe is me [10:00] I bought a TV dongle a while back, couldn't get it to work for ages, then I found a different app for OS X which Just Worked. [10:01] Oh, this is an Android stick to plug into my TV [10:02] chromecast ? [10:02] ooh [10:02] chromecast should come to Europe sooner [10:03] I can't wait to throw my money at it [10:03] its dead cheap aswell, i could find a few useful things to do with it. [10:04] http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00B0FV4FE [10:04] sam would love one of them [10:04] 30 quid :-| [10:05] yeah, all minecraft merch is a bit spendy [10:05] minecraft lego must be ££ [10:05] brobostigon: no, http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00B18K4T2 [10:06] http://shop.lego.com/en-US/Minecraft-21102 [10:07] bigcalm: i will point out, that is not chromecast, but yes, it does looks interesting. [10:07] $35 = £55 [10:07] brobostigon: I did say that it wasn't chrome cast [10:08] ah..."This is a very nice little set for all LEGO / Minecraft fans but do not get ripped off but paying well over the odds. This set is on sale at £34.99 at the LEGO Shop, " [10:08] mungbean: that's an interesting exchange rate you have there [10:08] bigcalm: ok sorry, i am not fully awake yet. [10:08] just amazon 3rd party thieves [10:09] also, you get it from Lego in an awesome box, I'd wager (their plastic bags look ace, so I assume this is the case if you order from leco.com too) [10:09] *lego.com [10:09] also lego shop at westfield stratford [10:10] * dwatkins may have a bit of a reputation for being the local Lego expert in the office from having two phone cradles on his desk made from it [10:10] yeah, there's one in Glasgow too, I think they sell individual parts (so you don't have to faff around on bricklink) [10:12] "There is a widely held belief in the wireless business that there will and should be a third option to Google and Apple." - http://gigaom.com/2013/09/03/why-i-think-the-7-2-billion-microsoft-nokia-deal-is-a-terrible-idea/ [10:12] don't agree with his next conclusion of course ㋛ [10:19] Morning all [10:21] * czajkowski hugs davmor2 [10:23] czajkowski: thanks I needed that what the hell possessed me to have a week off :D [10:26] oh man, play.spotify.com doesn't work :-( [10:26] Myrtti: I found that [10:26] clearing all of its cookies worked, at least for now [10:26] davmor2: fun inbox and queues eh :) [10:27] czajkowski: yeah fun that's the word [10:28] why does 10.04 on this old pc work smoother and nicer than any release since? [10:33] mungbean: is it i386 or amd 64 [10:39] davmor2: 32bit [10:39] running gnome2 [10:39] Laney: yeah, didn't work :-( [10:40] :( [10:40] I was considering cancelling when it broke for me [10:40] the client has been busted for months too [10:40] davmor2: you won't be coming to the LUG this weekend? [10:44] bigcalm: possibly not on Wednesday either [10:47] Erm, week :) [10:48] davmor2: didn't think so [11:02] popey: i was trying to be subtle ;-) now it's all over G+ again =) [11:03] having a vibrating watch makes it seem like I keep hitting thins when I move my arm every time I get an e-mail [11:05] * bigcalm wonders if tv dongle will come via courier. Seems doubtful as I have no tracking information :/ [11:06] \o/ [11:06] xnox: Happy Birthday! :D [11:06] think of it as my little present to you [11:07] the crushing weight of internet fame [11:07] \o/ thanks =) [11:08] mungbean: right so part of the reason is might be the newer pae kernel on i386, another might be the graphics updates are stressing it more, or it is dropping to unity 2d which I found much slower, you might want to see if 64bit can run on it an if it can try the 64bit live cd and see if it runs any better [11:08] Laney: i'm not crazy, I just perform this way ?! http://youtu.be/ss_BmTGv43M [11:08] davmor2: i think the reason is just that 10.04 didn't have bloat [11:09] and gnome was mature by then [11:09] mungbean: the other thing you can do is try xubuntu [11:09] 13.10 is going to be a good release [11:10] possibly if you turn off xmir [11:10] $release+1 is always going to be good [11:10] AlanBell: from what I've seen it is :) even with xmir [11:10] after a couple of days on 12.04 with an uber fast PC i run out of RAM and CPU in no time [11:10] uptime 12:10:46 up 515 days, 20:58, 6 users, load average: 0.46, 0.33, 0.35 [11:11] yeah, I am running xmir at the moment, it barfs frames in random order to the screen on secondary monitor [11:11] AlanBell: I'm about to start stress testing xmir bypass by migrating 900+ apps to saucy :D [11:11] the best xmir can hope for is to be nearly as good as not running xmir [11:11] davmor2: single screen or multi monitor? [11:12] AlanBell: single I have too many pcs to have more screens [11:12] i might revert to single monitor [11:12] mungbean: what insecure machine is that uptime from? [11:13] i thin kdouble monitor ssetup = resource intensive [11:13] popey: a desktop PC [11:13] all updates applied except kernel. would need to prove that 2.6.32-38 has remote exploits [11:13] davmor2: yeah, single screen works fine, it is pretty much as good as not running it [11:14] mungbean: if you're really struggling to get something smooth, I migrated all my older desktop/laptop machines to http://www.bodhilinux.com/ [11:14] mungbean: lowest of all resource consumption for a basic desktop (lower than xfce or lxde) [11:15] mungbean: nice thing is that it's ubuntu based at the backend [11:15] maybe its just chrome and firefox are RAM beasts [11:15] i use elementary now in my quest for simple and fast OS [11:17] mungbean: all browser are ram beasts [11:17] since 2010 :( [11:17] used to be ok [11:18] or maybe it's the websites? [11:18] a bit of both [11:18] aggressive caching [11:18] the average page size across a bunch of popular websites is of the order of a meg and a half [11:18] mgdm: you sure about that? [11:18] with loads of ad calls and AJAXy widgets and all that nonsense [11:19] mungbean: pretty sure, but that is the average. Some are lots bigger [11:19] mungbean: your firefox and chrome will auto update to newer versions so I doubt they are the original 2010 versions [11:19] there's a good blog post on this, hang on [11:19] http://vincentsanders.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/a-picture-is-worth-thousand-words.html [11:19] maybe wobbly windows make my pc *feel* faster... :P [11:20] they do. [11:20] but there's no lag here [11:20] on my i5 i get chug chug grind splutter [11:20] your system feels fastest when it's most responsive, and it feels responsive when there's a tangible response to your actions, with minimal delay [11:20] something has changed in recent kernel or DEs. [11:20] generally an app which takes longer to finish, but has some kind of progress bar, is considered faster by the casual observer [11:25] mungbean: on the i5 what version are you running i386 or amd64 [11:26] 64bit, with more RAM and better video card [11:32] mungbean: then I have no idea what you do then, if you are running bittorrent try turning it off, try not opening a million tabs, run some tests on a known lite site like duckduckgo/google/bing search pages [11:32] the fix is to install 10.04 :( i've had it on multiple machines. linux/ubuntu is getting hugely slow [11:33] could be a kernel scheduler problem [11:35] mungbean: no idea what you are on about for me unity is getting lighter and faster with each release, I can't wait for 14.10 when unity8 lands then it will be blistering quick [11:40] is unity8 the mir native version? [11:48] AlanBell: it is, it is also the converged version so is the one under development on the phone currently so is really light [11:51] cool, it would be nice to have some convergence of the marketing and the reality around the converged unity [11:52] popey: davmor2 any idea why the EN is appearing up there on the right, it's for the keyboard I know, but no idea why or how it appeared and no idea how to remove it https://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/374858681415786497/photo/1 [11:52] you can disable that [11:52] click it, choose last option, then in the dialog there's a tickbox [11:53] ohhh [11:53] no idea how it got there [11:53] thanks [11:53] :) [11:53] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-keyboard/+bug/1217240 [11:53] czajkowski: ah popey beat me to it [11:53] Launchpad bug 1217240 in indicator-keyboard (Ubuntu) "Displaying even when there is only one layout to choose from" [Low,Confirmed] [11:53] been bugging me [11:53] thanks :) [11:54] The gui that allowed for some remapping of keys seems to have disappeared [11:54] The downside to adding ones phone number to a signature means I'm getting random calls going hi laura and I've zero context and all from withheld numnbers [11:54] heh, mine has been in my sig for years, never got a call as a result [11:55] funkyHat: System settings→keyboard→shorcuts tab? [11:55] I've had 3 today alone [11:55] it's handy just a bit odd - new :) [11:56] shall be in london this week wed- friday if anyone is about [11:56] davmor2: actually I'm at work so I can't check til later, but I did look at that last time and didn't spot it :() [11:56] last night* [11:57] * davmor2 reminds himself to stop giving czajkowski number out instead of his own when he is asked for it :D [11:57] davmor2: LOL [11:57] davmor2: do you also introduce yourself as Laura? [11:59] funkyHat: no but I bet most of the calls czajkowski gets start is Dave there [11:59] hahaha [12:01] gruff voice: "Dave? Hello Dave?" === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:03] popey: Why do I get a dialogue for shutdown when I selected restart from the system menu why not just restart or cancel? [12:03] Actually I prefer that [12:05] funkyHat: I like the confirmation, but why in this context driven world is the confirmation box not [12:10] what do we all think about middle click paste? (which might be going at some point) [12:11] AlanBell: I love it [12:11] I don't want it to go anywhere! [12:11] me too [12:11] apparently there is a plan to change it so that it pops up a bubble with copy/paste options or something [12:12] which means it will use the main clipboard I think [12:12] fudge [12:12] that sucks [12:13] I use it many times daily [12:13] me too [12:14] mmm fudge [12:15] mungbean: if only your last name was "packer", I'd offer you some. [12:15] AlanBell: depends if I select paste and it pastes I'd be happy with that, ie highlight text goto where I want to paste it middle click and press paste and it pastes. Not ideal but would cork if I have to use the copy and paste options then they may as well do away with the option all together and just allow the right click to deal with it [12:28] davmor2: as far as I can tell, you would have to highlight text, middle click on it, press the copy bubble (overwriting clipboard contents) then go where you want it to be, middle click and click the paste bubble [12:28] which would paste with formatting rather than a text only paste [12:29] AlanBell: then that sucks [12:34] What is the rationale behind changing something that has worked since the year dot? [12:34] thanks youtube. massive pciture of miley cyrs makes my boss think i'm looking at smut [12:34] on my homepage no less [12:35] davmor2: ask mpt [12:37] TheOpenSourcerer: because it is a feature that other operating systems don't have, so to catch up, Gnome want to go back [12:38] as far as I can tell. Anyhow, they rolled back the commit for Gnome 3.10, and will ponder it for the next Gnome [12:38] So we lose the great feature if having 2 paste buffers [12:38] s\if\of [12:38] Time to check out KDE I guess [12:38] yeah, I think it is great having a text only secondary paste buffer [12:39] Well, there are apps that can make multiple paste buffers work [12:39] yeah, but it's built-in right now [12:39] making it optional means more hoops to jump [12:40] and more inconsistency as different apps do different things with middle click [12:40] It's great the way it is. Unless you *know* how to use it it doesn't get in anyone's way... [12:40]