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jrwrenTIL: there is a brewery named brubuntu00:10
cmaloneyjrwren: where is this. I think there's a field trip waiting for us00:48
cmaloneyNew Open Metalcast released.03:30
rick_hmorning10:11
cmaloneymorning10:28
jrwrencmaloney: I'm not sure. location wasn't listed on the untappd app...13:06
jrwrenmight be someones homebrew13:06
gamerchick02wahoo look who has a day off and is on irc!13:42
gamerchick02hrm, not enough coffee in the room yet, i see.13:47
jjessemorning13:51
cmaloneyMorning13:52
cmaloneyAnd yeah, we're here.13:53
cmaloneyI'm just working on a report yippee shittie13:53
jjesseyay for reports13:53
gamerchick02get those TPS reports done yet?14:00
gamerchick02:-P14:00
gamerchick02but it's strange being here and hanging out with you guys. i'd love to have IRC access at work. no internet at work though14:00
jjessecmaloney, would you rather create reports or a powerpoint presentation?  cause i might be willing to trade14:01
wafgamerchick02: nice, does work give you guys an extra day off, or are you taking this as a vacation day?14:01
gamerchick02haha. waf. no. i'm going to Canada tomorrow with  my mom and decided not to drive up to Saginaw yet again tonight after driving down to Auburn Hills yesterday.14:02
cmaloneyjjesse: Depends on the presentation. :)14:02
gamerchick02also i wasn't in a state to drive back down to Auburn Hills. went to the Ren Fair. didn't drink too much but i wanted another cider. :-P14:02
cmaloneyheh14:03
cmaloneySo you called in "meh"14:03
gamerchick02cmaloney, i talked to my boss last week. :-P14:04
gamerchick02she knows i'm taking two days off.14:04
cmaloneySo you pre-called in "meh". ;)14:04
gamerchick02i wish the Canada thing was today instead of tomorrow because i could take just today off and work tomorrow14:05
gamerchick02cmaloney, i asked for the days off. :-P14:05
gamerchick02i take one week for Supreme and… uh… maybe a couple others during the year?14:05
ColonelPanic001I enjoy calling in "meh".14:06
cmaloneyI'm just messing with you. :)14:06
ColonelPanic001Hi gamerchick02.14:06
gamerchick02hi ColonelPanic001!! long time, no see.14:06
cmaloneyColonelPanic001: You haven't taken your turn for so long in govsgo that I forgot my password. :)14:06
ColonelPanic001crap14:06
cmaloneyand I'm not sure what it is because I didn't write it down. :)14:06
ColonelPanic001I just went14:06
ColonelPanic001\o/14:06
gamerchick02cmaloney, that's ok. i just don't take a lot of time off, i guess.14:07
gamerchick02cmaloney, you write your passwords down? i am disappoint.14:07
cmaloneyColonelPanic001: Thank you14:07
cmaloneygamerchick02: in encrypted files14:07
gamerchick02but you need the password to get to your… passwords… right?14:07
gamerchick02:-P14:07
ColonelPanic001I use KeePassX14:07
ColonelPanic001I don't even know my passwords for a lot of things, by memory.14:08
gamerchick02i should start using one of those.14:08
cmaloneyActually, I used openid.14:08
cmaloneyWhew14:08
ColonelPanic001gets me away from using the same 10ish char passwords for everything14:08
cmaloneyOK, I'll take my turn later.14:08
ColonelPanic001instead I just auto-generate 20 char characters each time so they're all different, etc.14:08
ColonelPanic001yeah, no rush14:08
cmaloneyobviously. ;)14:09
ColonelPanic001gamerchick02: lastpass gets mentioned a lot, but I like KeePass. Maybe just give them both a try. I haven't tried any others, couldn't compare14:09
gamerchick02i don't even remember the one i tried… lastpass i think, but i was too lazy to set it up. :-P14:10
gamerchick02Ren fest was fun yesterday14:10
rick_hwoot http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/?docId=100137334114:15
gamerchick02that's cool14:18
gamerchick02i've always wondered why you couldn't get the ebook version of a print book that you bought for free or reduced price14:18
jcastroman14:19
jcastroso due to a surge of inappropriate content at conferences, OLF wants speakers to turn in slides early14:19
rick_hjcastro: :/14:19
jjessewho deems what is inappropriate and what isn't?  that is can something be offensive to me and not the people who approve the slides?14:24
brousch1jjesse: Then you should've been on the approval board :P14:32
jjessebrousch1, haha14:33
jjesseno matter what is approved you will always offend someone, especially in larger settings like a conference14:34
gamerchick02that's a good point, but people can keep things kind of business appropriate, yes?14:34
jjesseabsolutely but in my mind a conference like that would limit what people could say14:35
brousch1That would make for the worst Linux conference ever14:35
gamerchick02ah14:35
jjessecan i deem something inappropriate if i disagree w/ it?14:35
gamerchick02i've never been to one.14:35
jcastroI just think it's dumb because no one's every said anything stupid at OLF14:35
jcastrojust because people in some other conference suck14:36
gamerchick02i was thinking pictures of naked ladies or something in a PP presentation14:36
jjessei'm sorry i disagree w/ your presentation so as a member of the board i'm going to deem it inapproriate14:36
cmaloneyI blame brousch1's horse droppings slide at PyOhio for starting this surge14:36
brousch1:P14:36
gamerchick02which is inappropriate.14:36
gamerchick02that is kind of gross. *le shrug*14:36
cmaloneyjjesse: One would hope that folks would be more professional14:36
jrwreni feel like you all are almost talking about this: http://violetblue.tumblr.com/post/58312315360/uncensored-and-post-ada-initiative-sex-drugs-for14:37
jjessecmaloney, i agree14:37
cmaloneyBut yeah, one person's inappropriate is another person's hysterical is another person's silly is another person's snooze14:37
jjesseis this the response to the person who made a comment to a buddy at a conference and some lady overheard it and tweeted about until that person got fired or whatever shit storm that was14:38
cmaloneyjjesse: I think it's something with a Ruby conference and someone putting a swimsuit picture up or something akin to that14:38
gamerchick02hrm. i didn't know that happens. but i do think Val has been a victim of assault before so that's a major trigger for her.14:38
gamerchick02sorry i've read her stuff on linuxchix14:39
cmaloneyNo need to apologize14:39
jjesseagree no need to apologize14:39
gamerchick02and yeah, i can see that being a major trigger.14:39
jjessemaybe i'm just extra cranky this morning14:39
cmaloneyIt's unfortunate that bad things happen to people14:39
gamerchick02BUT that said, i do think if that talk was to be allowed, then there should be a warning on it: "triggering to rape survivors" or something.14:40
cmaloneyUnfortunately it also causes people to become oversensitive14:40
cmaloneyie: quitting smoking can cause people to become beligerent about smokers14:40
gamerchick02true14:40
cmaloneygamerchick02: You can't know what will cause someone to be triggered by something14:40
gamerchick02i realize that14:40
cmaloneyYou might have a slide of a clown in your slide deck, and not realize that I have a severe aversion to clowns14:41
cmaloneyor nyan-cats14:41
jjessethat will cause you to shoot your guns randomly in a crowd14:41
cmaloney(not to make light of rape)14:41
gamerchick02again it comes down to human decency. "hello, it's val from Linuxchix and your talk you want to give is about rape and consent and that kind of triggers me. i would like this talk to go through at the event but i would like a trigger-warning on the signup for it."14:42
cmaloneyI just hope we don't get to the point where folks won't present because they feel they might unintentionally offend someone14:42
gamerchick02i mean that would help a lot.14:42
gamerchick02i understand where you're coming from. rape and abuse is a huge trigger for many people and there probably should be a "warning" or something on the signup for the talk so people know what they're getting into14:43
jjessegamerchick02, agree but why would you have a talk about rape and abuse at a linux conference?14:43
cmaloneyI'm not familiar with the situation concerning Val14:44
gamerchick02that's a good point.14:44
cmaloneyI wonder when we guaranteed that folks wouldn't be offended.14:45
cmaloneyI understand minimizing childish behaviour (brousch) but guaranteeing that folks won't be offended is a new level.14:46
gamerchick02http://blog.valerieaurora.org/2012/10/29/the-linux-community-cant-remain-silent-while-leaders-make-anti-woman-comments/14:46
cmaloneyAh, the Linux debacle14:46
cmaloneyLinus debacle14:46
cmaloneyWhoops, wrong debacle14:47
gamerchick02hah14:48
gamerchick02there's many apparently14:48
cmaloneyNot going to read the whole thing (at work)14:49
cmaloneyI think that's the crossroads of logic vs. emotion, though14:49
cmaloneyand you're never going to have a productive discussion when you mix the two14:49
jrwrenjjesse: http://violetblue.tumblr.com/post/58312315360/uncensored-and-post-ada-initiative-sex-drugs-for   READ14:49
jrwrenits NOT about rape. its about sex and drugs related to hacker culture14:50
cmaloneyjrwren: The one that gamerchick02 posted was14:50
gamerchick02jwren i read it14:51
jrwrenthat one is a reaction to a reaction.14:51
gamerchick02very interesting and possibly a good thing to have at a hacker event but there should be a trigger warning on it14:52
jjessethanks jrwren14:52
jrwrengamerchick02: its a really good point. trigger sensitivity is one that I'd not thought of.14:52
cmaloneyAnd this gets back to the pragmatic view: if folks have to worry who they might offend, they'll stop speaking14:53
cmaloneyAt least the ones that feel it will be a hassle.14:53
jrwren@violetblue should not have to deal with what sure sounds like a personal vendetta14:53
jrwrenI'm for open discourse, not surpressed voices.14:53
cmaloneyI'm sure jcastro had a moment of "sheehs, now I have to have my slide deck ready weeks before I'm presenting"14:54
gamerchick02that's true but if you put it out there that it might be offensive or triggering to certain people, then those people won't go to that particular talk. i'm sure there are a bunch of talks that people can go to instead of the sex and drugs and rape talk.14:54
cmaloneyjrwren: Me too14:54
cmaloneyWhatever my views on violetblue, she has the right to say them14:54
jrwrenyou mean the "sex +/- Drugs: Knwon Vulnerabilty Exploits" talk?14:54
cmaloneyYou can be a bigotted asshole with the vilest opinions. You have a right to those opinions.14:54
cmaloneyand I have the right to pop you in the mouth to correct them. ;)14:55
brousch1You do not14:55
jrwrenyou don't have a right to a stage and podium at a conference.14:55
jrwrenthose have to be earned.14:55
cmaloneyjrwren: Agreed14:55
jrwrenonce they are earned, i feel you have a right to know if someone is trying to take them from you.14:55
greg-gand..... moved14:56
jrwrenand a right to defend your position.14:56
jrwrengreg-g: you moved?!?!  congrats!!!  I only wish it was to Ann Arbor.14:56
greg-gI now live where they make Lagunitas, and TWiT. Win some lose some.14:56
cmaloneygreg-g: Whereabouts?14:56
cmaloneyAh, near Petaluma?14:56
gamerchick02greg-g grats on the move.14:57
cmaloneyWhat's wrongiw th TWiT?14:57
greg-ghah14:57
greg-gYeah, Petaluma.14:57
gamerchick02Petaluma? what state?14:57
greg-gthanks all14:57
greg-gCA14:57
gamerchick02oh14:57
cmaloneyFrom the Carpool episode Leo did with Robert Llewelyn, it looked like an idyllic neighborhood14:57
greg-gabout an hour north of the city. Bus took 1:15 this morning. So, about like what I was doing SF -> Mountain View14:58
greg-gcmaloney: it totally is14:58
cmaloneygreg-g: With 110% less douchebag14:58
greg-gbut, bbiab, two back to back meetings here this morning.14:58
greg-gcmaloney: oh hellz yeah14:58
jcastrocmaloney: yeah I am used to doing them the day before14:58
cmaloneyjcastro: We all are. :)14:58
cmaloneyKeeps the material fresh14:59
brousch1I learn new things right up until the talk, might as well include those things14:59
brousch1Things move fast. A month old talk is out of date14:59
gamerchick02unfortunately.15:01
gamerchick02or fortunately, depending on how you look at it.15:01
gamerchick0211 am. i should go to Past Queens today at 12:30 but i kinda want to get food with my brother.15:01
brousch1A Freddie Mercury memorial?15:03
gamerchick02lunch for the Past Queens from our Daughters of the Nile temple.15:03
gamerchick02but a Freddie Mercury memorial would be hella cool15:05
gamerchick02cmaloney: i hate football too.15:10
jrwreni especially hated football this weekend. it took away from ESPN coverage of US Open. I like Tennis15:11
gamerchick02i like tennis but i have mixed feelings about the whole thing.15:11
jrwrenplease share your feelings aobut tennis.15:12
gamerchick02i'm still hurting from breakup from boyfriend and tennis reminds me of him so yeah15:12
jrwrenah, i'm sorry to hear that.15:13
gamerchick02i'm doing a little better every day.15:13
gamerchick02in other news, i'll have more time to do bug triage now.15:13
gamerchick02but i do like tennis and i'll watch it more once i feel better about things.15:15
jrwrenand more time to play tennis!15:15
gamerchick02i'm… not any good at it, i'm afraid.15:15
gamerchick02and yes, i've tried. it was a miserable experience for all involved.15:16
jrwrenlike any sport it takes practice.15:17
gamerchick02enough ex-boyfriend woes. here's a cat booping a dog's nose: http://cheezburger.com/776592051215:17
gamerchick02(i'm a poet and don't even know-it)15:17
gamerchick02http://www.bugmartini.com/comic/a-technophobe-in-need/ anyone else feel like this sometimes?15:29
cmaloneyI hate watching Tennis16:10
cmaloneyJust had a PR person try to butter me up to "promote my music"16:18
jrwrenhahahah16:19
cmaloneyhttp://paste.mitechie.com/show/6SRSPJIj6kuLQZ4iOSFx/16:19
gamerchick02oh lol i love your response16:22
gamerchick02went and got lunch16:22
gamerchick02question for the gurus in this room: will banshee ever work with my 7th gen Nano?16:29
gamerchick02(which i'm thinking of replacing with an ipod touch 5th gen because the nano is inscribed on the back with a nice love note from my mow-ex.)16:30
gamerchick02*now-ex not mow-ex though i'd like to mow him sometimes.16:30
cmaloneyI doubt it16:36
cmaloneyApple products actively make it difficult to use with non-Apple software16:37
jrwrenany cloud-init peeps?  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6059452/plain/16:38
jrwrenapt-update-upgrade is failing. I think it might be because apt_mirror is mine with own keys and it doesn't have keys, but this trace is tough to tell16:39
gamerchick02cmaloney, that makes me sad because apple makes some damn good stuff16:39
gamerchick02jwren, is it not finding the files?16:40
jrwrenwhat files?16:41
gamerchick02to update...16:41
gamerchick02unless i'm mistaken in what you're trying to do.16:41
jrwrenits not trying an update.16:41
gamerchick02oh. then ignore me16:41
jrwrenerr, yes its trying an update.16:41
jrwrenits not trying an upgrade.16:41
jrwrenupdate works manulaly16:41
gamerchick02ok16:41
jrwrenit fails on installing packages.16:42
jrwrencould me failing to find packages, I guess.16:42
gamerchick02ah.16:42
gamerchick02rant: holy cow radio station fix your crap. sounds like a CD issue. bleh16:42
gamerchick02that might be the problem. makes sense to me i think16:43
gamerchick02says "list found" but i dunno. hrm16:44
gamerchick02i'm not sure if i'm helping16:44
gamerchick02sorry16:44
cmaloneygamerchick02: Some stations don't check their music after they rip it. WRCJ has had problems with that.16:44
gamerchick02i'm listening to 90.1 out of Saginaw/Bay City. i think they still do CD16:44
gamerchick02it's the jazz hour right now16:45
gamerchick02now this song seems fine.16:45
cmaloneyMost stations don't use physical media for over-the-air16:52
cmaloneyThey'll use some automated "jukebox"16:52
gamerchick02this is my NPR station and i *think* this show is live16:53
gamerchick02a lot of the time they put together the show and just add breaks when needed. hrm. i can't tell anymore16:53
jrwrenlooks to be auth16:54
cmaloneyhttp://www.stationplaylist.com/16:56
cmaloneyI'm not sure they use that in particular, but they likely use something similar16:56
gamerchick02i was at the station for a pledge drive for once and they *were* live for that16:57
cmaloneyYeah, that you have to be16:58
cmaloneybut generally speaking most of that stuff is canned16:58
cmaloneyespecially on weekends16:58
gamerchick02oh i know16:58
gamerchick02they feed from WCMU in the afternoons on sunday16:58
gamerchick02but they're usually straight up NPR feed most weekday mornings and stuff16:59
gamerchick02some Michigan Radio stuff16:59
gamerchick02there is someone there monitoring16:59
cmaloneyYeah, the news shows are a little different16:59
cmaloneyBut the likelihood of someone warming the chair during a music show is pretty low17:00
gamerchick02personally? i love this radio station and i wish they had a stream, especially on Monday and Friday afternoons (the Eclectic Chair by Trish Lewis on Monday 1-3 and Cookin' With the Oldies 1-3 on Friday)17:00
cmaloneyI'm surprised they don't.17:01
gamerchick02OR they both did podcasts.17:01
cmaloneySeems like an untapped market17:01
gamerchick02they don't. makes me sad17:01
gamerchick02ALSO Rod Bieber's shows on Wednesday afternoons17:01
gamerchick02i LOVE those.17:01
cmaloneypodcasts I can understand why they might not have one. Licensing music can get tricky.17:01
gamerchick02understood17:04
gamerchick02i want to share things that are on the radio here and I can't17:04
gamerchick02ok, strangeness on the mac keyboard, sometimes i type and get no characters, but this time i got a bunch of spaces. sheesh.17:05
gamerchick02ah, TWO hours of jazz today. The Session, then Silk Soul and Blue after. plus a syndicated jazz show at 2. i like this.17:19
gamerchick02or should i say "local jazz shows"17:19
gamerchick02AND they brought back Women in Music. it's on at noon on monday. man i wish i was living here again. :(17:20
gamerchick02and the oldies show guy quit. ok. i liked his humor.17:21
gamerchick02http://www3.delta.edu/broadcasting/q901/schedule.html that's the weekly schedule i'm blathering on about17:21
jrwrenhrm... cloud-init apt_sources key inline is unfortunately useless. because my key is so huge it uses up all my userdata space ;(17:45
gamerchick02:(17:45
gamerchick02time to petrol ye olde automobile for adventure and fun. bbiab17:46
jrwrentoday's fail brought to you by zlib is not gzip.19:20
cmaloneyThat's not even an acronym19:23
gamerchick02grr i lost connection. sorry19:55
cmaloneyno worries20:24
rick_hjrwren: :/ how so? We're looking at zlib'ing some stuff in our charm to shrink space used20:48
jrwrenGAH!?!?!?!   not just missing key but multiarch enabled by default and disable was happening AFTER apt-get update, which makes apt-get update fail, becuase we don't multiarch20:52
jrwrensorry... rant.20:52
jrwrenrick_h: zlib.compress(data) is different than gzip.GzipFile(None, 'wb',9, somestringio).write(data);somestringio.getvalue()20:53
greg-gdo you say Raring like winrar or like rare steak?20:56
greg-gthe ubuntu release, obvs20:56
rick_hlike the rare steak imo20:57
greg-ghmm, I've been saying it differently then20:57
greg-gjust heard an ops coworker say it that way too, I do like win rar20:57
rick_hhttps://www.google.com/search?q=define+raring&oq=define+raring&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3.1861j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 click the button20:58
greg-gwhoa20:58
greg-ggoogle books data, man20:59
greg-gThe University of Michigan says "You're welcome"20:59
rick_hyea, that's cool stuff20:59

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