[00:10] <jrwren> TIL: there is a brewery named brubuntu
[00:48] <cmaloney> jrwren: where is this. I think there's a field trip waiting for us
[03:30] <cmaloney> New Open Metalcast released.
[10:11] <rick_h> morning
[10:28] <cmaloney> morning
[13:06] <jrwren> cmaloney: I'm not sure. location wasn't listed on the untappd app...
[13:06] <jrwren> might be someones homebrew
[13:42] <gamerchick02> wahoo look who has a day off and is on irc!
[13:47] <gamerchick02> hrm, not enough coffee in the room yet, i see.
[13:51] <jjesse> morning
[13:52] <cmaloney> Morning
[13:53] <cmaloney> And yeah, we're here.
[13:53] <cmaloney> I'm just working on a report yippee shittie
[13:53] <jjesse> yay for reports
[14:00] <gamerchick02> get those TPS reports done yet?
[14:00] <gamerchick02> :-P
[14:00] <gamerchick02> but it's strange being here and hanging out with you guys. i'd love to have IRC access at work. no internet at work though
[14:01] <jjesse> cmaloney, would you rather create reports or a powerpoint presentation?  cause i might be willing to trade
[14:01] <waf> gamerchick02: nice, does work give you guys an extra day off, or are you taking this as a vacation day?
[14:02] <gamerchick02> haha. waf. no. i'm going to Canada tomorrow with  my mom and decided not to drive up to Saginaw yet again tonight after driving down to Auburn Hills yesterday.
[14:02] <cmaloney> jjesse: Depends on the presentation. :)
[14:02] <gamerchick02> also i wasn't in a state to drive back down to Auburn Hills. went to the Ren Fair. didn't drink too much but i wanted another cider. :-P
[14:03] <cmaloney> heh
[14:03] <cmaloney> So you called in "meh"
[14:04] <gamerchick02> cmaloney, i talked to my boss last week. :-P
[14:04] <gamerchick02> she knows i'm taking two days off.
[14:04] <cmaloney> So you pre-called in "meh". ;)
[14:05] <gamerchick02> i wish the Canada thing was today instead of tomorrow because i could take just today off and work tomorrow
[14:05] <gamerchick02> cmaloney, i asked for the days off. :-P
[14:05] <gamerchick02> i take one week for Supreme and… uh… maybe a couple others during the year?
[14:06] <ColonelPanic001> I enjoy calling in "meh".
[14:06] <cmaloney> I'm just messing with you. :)
[14:06] <ColonelPanic001> Hi gamerchick02.
[14:06] <gamerchick02> hi ColonelPanic001!! long time, no see.
[14:06] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: You haven't taken your turn for so long in govsgo that I forgot my password. :)
[14:06] <ColonelPanic001> crap
[14:06] <cmaloney> and I'm not sure what it is because I didn't write it down. :)
[14:06] <ColonelPanic001> I just went
[14:06] <ColonelPanic001> \o/
[14:07] <gamerchick02> cmaloney, that's ok. i just don't take a lot of time off, i guess.
[14:07] <gamerchick02> cmaloney, you write your passwords down? i am disappoint.
[14:07] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: Thank you
[14:07] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: in encrypted files
[14:07] <gamerchick02> but you need the password to get to your… passwords… right?
[14:07] <gamerchick02> :-P
[14:07] <ColonelPanic001> I use KeePassX
[14:08] <ColonelPanic001> I don't even know my passwords for a lot of things, by memory.
[14:08] <gamerchick02> i should start using one of those.
[14:08] <cmaloney> Actually, I used openid.
[14:08] <cmaloney> Whew
[14:08] <ColonelPanic001> gets me away from using the same 10ish char passwords for everything
[14:08] <cmaloney> OK, I'll take my turn later.
[14:08] <ColonelPanic001> instead I just auto-generate 20 char characters each time so they're all different, etc.
[14:08] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, no rush
[14:09] <cmaloney> obviously. ;)
[14:09] <ColonelPanic001> gamerchick02: lastpass gets mentioned a lot, but I like KeePass. Maybe just give them both a try. I haven't tried any others, couldn't compare
[14:10] <gamerchick02> i don't even remember the one i tried… lastpass i think, but i was too lazy to set it up. :-P
[14:10] <gamerchick02> Ren fest was fun yesterday
[14:15] <rick_h> woot http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/?docId=1001373341
[14:18] <gamerchick02> that's cool
[14:18] <gamerchick02> i've always wondered why you couldn't get the ebook version of a print book that you bought for free or reduced price
[14:19] <jcastro> man
[14:19] <jcastro> so due to a surge of inappropriate content at conferences, OLF wants speakers to turn in slides early
[14:19] <rick_h> jcastro: :/
[14:24] <jjesse> who deems what is inappropriate and what isn't?  that is can something be offensive to me and not the people who approve the slides?
[14:32] <brousch1> jjesse: Then you should've been on the approval board :P
[14:33] <jjesse> brousch1, haha
[14:34] <jjesse> no matter what is approved you will always offend someone, especially in larger settings like a conference
[14:34] <gamerchick02> that's a good point, but people can keep things kind of business appropriate, yes?
[14:35] <jjesse> absolutely but in my mind a conference like that would limit what people could say
[14:35] <brousch1> That would make for the worst Linux conference ever
[14:35] <gamerchick02> ah
[14:35] <jjesse> can i deem something inappropriate if i disagree w/ it?
[14:35] <gamerchick02> i've never been to one.
[14:35] <jcastro> I just think it's dumb because no one's every said anything stupid at OLF
[14:36] <jcastro> just because people in some other conference suck
[14:36] <gamerchick02> i was thinking pictures of naked ladies or something in a PP presentation
[14:36] <jjesse> i'm sorry i disagree w/ your presentation so as a member of the board i'm going to deem it inapproriate
[14:36] <cmaloney> I blame brousch1's horse droppings slide at PyOhio for starting this surge
[14:36] <brousch1> :P
[14:36] <gamerchick02> which is inappropriate.
[14:36] <gamerchick02> that is kind of gross. *le shrug*
[14:36] <cmaloney> jjesse: One would hope that folks would be more professional
[14:37] <jrwren> i feel like you all are almost talking about this: http://violetblue.tumblr.com/post/58312315360/uncensored-and-post-ada-initiative-sex-drugs-for
[14:37] <jjesse> cmaloney, i agree
[14:37] <cmaloney> But yeah, one person's inappropriate is another person's hysterical is another person's silly is another person's snooze
[14:38] <jjesse> is this the response to the person who made a comment to a buddy at a conference and some lady overheard it and tweeted about until that person got fired or whatever shit storm that was
[14:38] <cmaloney> jjesse: I think it's something with a Ruby conference and someone putting a swimsuit picture up or something akin to that
[14:38] <gamerchick02> hrm. i didn't know that happens. but i do think Val has been a victim of assault before so that's a major trigger for her.
[14:39] <gamerchick02> sorry i've read her stuff on linuxchix
[14:39] <cmaloney> No need to apologize
[14:39] <jjesse> agree no need to apologize
[14:39] <gamerchick02> and yeah, i can see that being a major trigger.
[14:39] <jjesse> maybe i'm just extra cranky this morning
[14:39] <cmaloney> It's unfortunate that bad things happen to people
[14:40] <gamerchick02> BUT that said, i do think if that talk was to be allowed, then there should be a warning on it: "triggering to rape survivors" or something.
[14:40] <cmaloney> Unfortunately it also causes people to become oversensitive
[14:40] <cmaloney> ie: quitting smoking can cause people to become beligerent about smokers
[14:40] <gamerchick02> true
[14:40] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: You can't know what will cause someone to be triggered by something
[14:40] <gamerchick02> i realize that
[14:41] <cmaloney> You might have a slide of a clown in your slide deck, and not realize that I have a severe aversion to clowns
[14:41] <cmaloney> or nyan-cats
[14:41] <jjesse> that will cause you to shoot your guns randomly in a crowd
[14:41] <cmaloney> (not to make light of rape)
[14:42] <gamerchick02> again it comes down to human decency. "hello, it's val from Linuxchix and your talk you want to give is about rape and consent and that kind of triggers me. i would like this talk to go through at the event but i would like a trigger-warning on the signup for it."
[14:42] <cmaloney> I just hope we don't get to the point where folks won't present because they feel they might unintentionally offend someone
[14:42] <gamerchick02> i mean that would help a lot.
[14:43] <gamerchick02> i understand where you're coming from. rape and abuse is a huge trigger for many people and there probably should be a "warning" or something on the signup for the talk so people know what they're getting into
[14:43] <jjesse> gamerchick02, agree but why would you have a talk about rape and abuse at a linux conference?
[14:44] <cmaloney> I'm not familiar with the situation concerning Val
[14:44] <gamerchick02> that's a good point.
[14:45] <cmaloney> I wonder when we guaranteed that folks wouldn't be offended.
[14:46] <cmaloney> I understand minimizing childish behaviour (brousch) but guaranteeing that folks won't be offended is a new level.
[14:46] <gamerchick02> http://blog.valerieaurora.org/2012/10/29/the-linux-community-cant-remain-silent-while-leaders-make-anti-woman-comments/
[14:46] <cmaloney> Ah, the Linux debacle
[14:46] <cmaloney> Linus debacle
[14:47] <cmaloney> Whoops, wrong debacle
[14:48] <gamerchick02> hah
[14:48] <gamerchick02> there's many apparently
[14:49] <cmaloney> Not going to read the whole thing (at work)
[14:49] <cmaloney> I think that's the crossroads of logic vs. emotion, though
[14:49] <cmaloney> and you're never going to have a productive discussion when you mix the two
[14:49] <jrwren> jjesse: http://violetblue.tumblr.com/post/58312315360/uncensored-and-post-ada-initiative-sex-drugs-for   READ
[14:50] <jrwren> its NOT about rape. its about sex and drugs related to hacker culture
[14:50] <cmaloney> jrwren: The one that gamerchick02 posted was
[14:51] <gamerchick02> jwren i read it
[14:51] <jrwren> that one is a reaction to a reaction.
[14:52] <gamerchick02> very interesting and possibly a good thing to have at a hacker event but there should be a trigger warning on it
[14:52] <jjesse> thanks jrwren
[14:52] <jrwren> gamerchick02: its a really good point. trigger sensitivity is one that I'd not thought of.
[14:53] <cmaloney> And this gets back to the pragmatic view: if folks have to worry who they might offend, they'll stop speaking
[14:53] <cmaloney> At least the ones that feel it will be a hassle.
[14:53] <jrwren> @violetblue should not have to deal with what sure sounds like a personal vendetta
[14:53] <jrwren> I'm for open discourse, not surpressed voices.
[14:54] <cmaloney> I'm sure jcastro had a moment of "sheehs, now I have to have my slide deck ready weeks before I'm presenting"
[14:54] <gamerchick02> that's true but if you put it out there that it might be offensive or triggering to certain people, then those people won't go to that particular talk. i'm sure there are a bunch of talks that people can go to instead of the sex and drugs and rape talk.
[14:54] <cmaloney> jrwren: Me too
[14:54] <cmaloney> Whatever my views on violetblue, she has the right to say them
[14:54] <jrwren> you mean the "sex +/- Drugs: Knwon Vulnerabilty Exploits" talk?
[14:54] <cmaloney> You can be a bigotted asshole with the vilest opinions. You have a right to those opinions.
[14:55] <cmaloney> and I have the right to pop you in the mouth to correct them. ;)
[14:55] <brousch1> You do not
[14:55] <jrwren> you don't have a right to a stage and podium at a conference.
[14:55] <jrwren> those have to be earned.
[14:55] <cmaloney> jrwren: Agreed
[14:55] <jrwren> once they are earned, i feel you have a right to know if someone is trying to take them from you.
[14:56] <greg-g> and..... moved
[14:56] <jrwren> and a right to defend your position.
[14:56] <jrwren> greg-g: you moved?!?!  congrats!!!  I only wish it was to Ann Arbor.
[14:56] <greg-g> I now live where they make Lagunitas, and TWiT. Win some lose some.
[14:56] <cmaloney> greg-g: Whereabouts?
[14:56] <cmaloney> Ah, near Petaluma?
[14:57] <gamerchick02> greg-g grats on the move.
[14:57] <cmaloney> What's wrongiw th TWiT?
[14:57] <greg-g> hah
[14:57] <greg-g> Yeah, Petaluma.
[14:57] <gamerchick02> Petaluma? what state?
[14:57] <greg-g> thanks all
[14:57] <greg-g> CA
[14:57] <gamerchick02> oh
[14:57] <cmaloney> From the Carpool episode Leo did with Robert Llewelyn, it looked like an idyllic neighborhood
[14:58] <greg-g> about an hour north of the city. Bus took 1:15 this morning. So, about like what I was doing SF -> Mountain View
[14:58] <greg-g> cmaloney: it totally is
[14:58] <cmaloney> greg-g: With 110% less douchebag
[14:58] <greg-g> but, bbiab, two back to back meetings here this morning.
[14:58] <greg-g> cmaloney: oh hellz yeah
[14:58] <jcastro> cmaloney: yeah I am used to doing them the day before
[14:58] <cmaloney> jcastro: We all are. :)
[14:59] <cmaloney> Keeps the material fresh
[14:59] <brousch1> I learn new things right up until the talk, might as well include those things
[14:59] <brousch1> Things move fast. A month old talk is out of date
[15:01] <gamerchick02> unfortunately.
[15:01] <gamerchick02> or fortunately, depending on how you look at it.
[15:01] <gamerchick02> 11 am. i should go to Past Queens today at 12:30 but i kinda want to get food with my brother.
[15:03] <brousch1> A Freddie Mercury memorial?
[15:03] <gamerchick02> lunch for the Past Queens from our Daughters of the Nile temple.
[15:05] <gamerchick02> but a Freddie Mercury memorial would be hella cool
[15:10] <gamerchick02> cmaloney: i hate football too.
[15:11] <jrwren> i especially hated football this weekend. it took away from ESPN coverage of US Open. I like Tennis
[15:11] <gamerchick02> i like tennis but i have mixed feelings about the whole thing.
[15:12] <jrwren> please share your feelings aobut tennis.
[15:12] <gamerchick02> i'm still hurting from breakup from boyfriend and tennis reminds me of him so yeah
[15:13] <jrwren> ah, i'm sorry to hear that.
[15:13] <gamerchick02> i'm doing a little better every day.
[15:13] <gamerchick02> in other news, i'll have more time to do bug triage now.
[15:15] <gamerchick02> but i do like tennis and i'll watch it more once i feel better about things.
[15:15] <jrwren> and more time to play tennis!
[15:15] <gamerchick02> i'm… not any good at it, i'm afraid.
[15:16] <gamerchick02> and yes, i've tried. it was a miserable experience for all involved.
[15:17] <jrwren> like any sport it takes practice.
[15:17] <gamerchick02> enough ex-boyfriend woes. here's a cat booping a dog's nose: http://cheezburger.com/7765920512
[15:17] <gamerchick02> (i'm a poet and don't even know-it)
[15:29] <gamerchick02> http://www.bugmartini.com/comic/a-technophobe-in-need/ anyone else feel like this sometimes?
[16:10] <cmaloney> I hate watching Tennis
[16:18] <cmaloney> Just had a PR person try to butter me up to "promote my music"
[16:19] <jrwren> hahahah
[16:19] <cmaloney> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/6SRSPJIj6kuLQZ4iOSFx/
[16:22] <gamerchick02> oh lol i love your response
[16:22] <gamerchick02> went and got lunch
[16:29] <gamerchick02> question for the gurus in this room: will banshee ever work with my 7th gen Nano?
[16:30] <gamerchick02> (which i'm thinking of replacing with an ipod touch 5th gen because the nano is inscribed on the back with a nice love note from my mow-ex.)
[16:30] <gamerchick02> *now-ex not mow-ex though i'd like to mow him sometimes.
[16:36] <cmaloney> I doubt it
[16:37] <cmaloney> Apple products actively make it difficult to use with non-Apple software
[16:38] <jrwren> any cloud-init peeps?  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6059452/plain/
[16:39] <jrwren> apt-update-upgrade is failing. I think it might be because apt_mirror is mine with own keys and it doesn't have keys, but this trace is tough to tell
[16:39] <gamerchick02> cmaloney, that makes me sad because apple makes some damn good stuff
[16:40] <gamerchick02> jwren, is it not finding the files?
[16:41] <jrwren> what files?
[16:41] <gamerchick02> to update...
[16:41] <gamerchick02> unless i'm mistaken in what you're trying to do.
[16:41] <jrwren> its not trying an update.
[16:41] <gamerchick02> oh. then ignore me
[16:41] <jrwren> err, yes its trying an update.
[16:41] <jrwren> its not trying an upgrade.
[16:41] <jrwren> update works manulaly
[16:41] <gamerchick02> ok
[16:42] <jrwren> it fails on installing packages.
[16:42] <jrwren> could me failing to find packages, I guess.
[16:42] <gamerchick02> ah.
[16:42] <gamerchick02> rant: holy cow radio station fix your crap. sounds like a CD issue. bleh
[16:43] <gamerchick02> that might be the problem. makes sense to me i think
[16:44] <gamerchick02> says "list found" but i dunno. hrm
[16:44] <gamerchick02> i'm not sure if i'm helping
[16:44] <gamerchick02> sorry
[16:44] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: Some stations don't check their music after they rip it. WRCJ has had problems with that.
[16:44] <gamerchick02> i'm listening to 90.1 out of Saginaw/Bay City. i think they still do CD
[16:45] <gamerchick02> it's the jazz hour right now
[16:45] <gamerchick02> now this song seems fine.
[16:52] <cmaloney> Most stations don't use physical media for over-the-air
[16:52] <cmaloney> They'll use some automated "jukebox"
[16:53] <gamerchick02> this is my NPR station and i *think* this show is live
[16:53] <gamerchick02> a lot of the time they put together the show and just add breaks when needed. hrm. i can't tell anymore
[16:54] <jrwren> looks to be auth
[16:56] <cmaloney> http://www.stationplaylist.com/
[16:56] <cmaloney> I'm not sure they use that in particular, but they likely use something similar
[16:57] <gamerchick02> i was at the station for a pledge drive for once and they *were* live for that
[16:58] <cmaloney> Yeah, that you have to be
[16:58] <cmaloney> but generally speaking most of that stuff is canned
[16:58] <cmaloney> especially on weekends
[16:58] <gamerchick02> oh i know
[16:58] <gamerchick02> they feed from WCMU in the afternoons on sunday
[16:59] <gamerchick02> but they're usually straight up NPR feed most weekday mornings and stuff
[16:59] <gamerchick02> some Michigan Radio stuff
[16:59] <gamerchick02> there is someone there monitoring
[16:59] <cmaloney> Yeah, the news shows are a little different
[17:00] <cmaloney> But the likelihood of someone warming the chair during a music show is pretty low
[17:00] <gamerchick02> personally? i love this radio station and i wish they had a stream, especially on Monday and Friday afternoons (the Eclectic Chair by Trish Lewis on Monday 1-3 and Cookin' With the Oldies 1-3 on Friday)
[17:01] <cmaloney> I'm surprised they don't.
[17:01] <gamerchick02> OR they both did podcasts.
[17:01] <cmaloney> Seems like an untapped market
[17:01] <gamerchick02> they don't. makes me sad
[17:01] <gamerchick02> ALSO Rod Bieber's shows on Wednesday afternoons
[17:01] <gamerchick02> i LOVE those.
[17:01] <cmaloney> podcasts I can understand why they might not have one. Licensing music can get tricky.
[17:04] <gamerchick02> understood
[17:04] <gamerchick02> i want to share things that are on the radio here and I can't
[17:05] <gamerchick02> ok, strangeness on the mac keyboard, sometimes i type and get no characters, but this time i got a bunch of spaces. sheesh.
[17:19] <gamerchick02> ah, TWO hours of jazz today. The Session, then Silk Soul and Blue after. plus a syndicated jazz show at 2. i like this.
[17:19] <gamerchick02> or should i say "local jazz shows"
[17:20] <gamerchick02> AND they brought back Women in Music. it's on at noon on monday. man i wish i was living here again. :(
[17:21] <gamerchick02> and the oldies show guy quit. ok. i liked his humor.
[17:21] <gamerchick02> http://www3.delta.edu/broadcasting/q901/schedule.html that's the weekly schedule i'm blathering on about
[17:45] <jrwren> hrm... cloud-init apt_sources key inline is unfortunately useless. because my key is so huge it uses up all my userdata space ;(
[17:45] <gamerchick02> :(
[17:46] <gamerchick02> time to petrol ye olde automobile for adventure and fun. bbiab
[19:20] <jrwren> today's fail brought to you by zlib is not gzip.
[19:23] <cmaloney> That's not even an acronym
[19:55] <gamerchick02> grr i lost connection. sorry
[20:24] <cmaloney> no worries
[20:48] <rick_h> jrwren: :/ how so? We're looking at zlib'ing some stuff in our charm to shrink space used
[20:52] <jrwren> GAH!?!?!?!   not just missing key but multiarch enabled by default and disable was happening AFTER apt-get update, which makes apt-get update fail, becuase we don't multiarch
[20:52] <jrwren> sorry... rant.
[20:53] <jrwren> rick_h: zlib.compress(data) is different than gzip.GzipFile(None, 'wb',9, somestringio).write(data);somestringio.getvalue()
[20:56] <greg-g> do you say Raring like winrar or like rare steak?
[20:56] <greg-g> the ubuntu release, obvs
[20:57] <rick_h> like the rare steak imo
[20:57] <greg-g> hmm, I've been saying it differently then
[20:57] <greg-g> just heard an ops coworker say it that way too, I do like win rar
[20:58] <rick_h> https://www.google.com/search?q=define+raring&oq=define+raring&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3.1861j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 click the button
[20:58] <greg-g> whoa
[20:59] <greg-g> google books data, man
[20:59] <greg-g> The University of Michigan says "You're welcome"
[20:59] <rick_h> yea, that's cool stuff